[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

....I need to grow up ....just look at your post

My posts on the topic and your... "responses" baiting me?

Ok...

[JerseyWins]

Unlike other jobs where you're punished for a wrong procedure, a police officer's life is threatened while doing their job. All it takes is one swift move by one criminal on any given day and it could very well be the end of their life. But the way cops are being scrutinized these days for any type of force shown on the job is very questionable. In a case like George Floyd, the cop did wrong and should be punished because he just allowed George to die while he was well past getting George securely on the ground where there was no chance for escape etc.

Look at what happened with that story of the guy at the Wendy's drive thru? Two officers being very lenient and letting their guard down allowed the man to break free AND take a taser from one of them while it was TWO ON ONE. Do people not see how easy it can be for an actual criminal to get the upper hand and end up killing a cop when force isn't applied? It resulted in the man being wrongly murdered in the end during a chase but it could've all been prevented. I can't blame cops too much for showing excessive force on the job when any seemingly 'harmless person' can flip on a dime while being under the threat of arrest. If it's not an OTT cold-blooded case (like what Derek did), there is no way 'incorrect procedure' should be punished in the same way it's punished in other jobs. Also, idk about where you guys are from but when a doctor messes up on an operation it has no type of severe consequence unless it is deemed to be a reoccurred thing or something purposely done for illegal reasons. Regardless, a doctor doesn't have his life threatened at work so they should be punished more than cops for wrong procedures & mistakes at work but they are not because it is not in the public eye in the same way. It is usually not intentional in the same way cops' wrongdoings usually aren't either. It's a tough job where lives will always be lost from both cops and citizens

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

No Annie... it does not need to be highlighted right here right now. That is literally the issue with this thread. This thread should not have been been a relevant thread to begin with, nor WOULD have been about 3 months prior to this.

This thread would always have been relevant.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Unlike other jobs where you're punished for a wrong procedure, a police officer's life is threatened while doing their job. All it takes is one swift move by one criminal on any given day and it could very well be the end of their life. But the way cops are being scrutinized these days for any type of force shown on the job is very questionable. In a case like George Floyd, the cop did wrong and should be punished because he just allowed George to die while he was well past getting George securely on the ground where there was no chance for escape etc.

Look at what happened with that story of the guy at the Wendy's drive thru? Two officers being very lenient and letting their guard down allowed the man to break free AND take a taser from one of them while it was TWO ON ONE. Do people not see how easy it can be for an actual criminal to get the upper hand and end up killing a cop when force isn't applied? It resulted in the man being wrongly murdered in the end during a chase but it could've all been prevented. I can't blame cops too much for showing excessive force on the job when any seemingly 'harmless person' can flip on a dime while being under the threat of arrest. If it's not an OTT cold-blooded case (like what Derek did), there is no way 'incorrect procedure' should be punished in the same way it's punished in other jobs. Also, idk about where you guys are from but when a doctor messes up on an operation it has no type of severe consequence unless it is deemed to be a reoccurred thing or something purposely done for illegal reasons. Regardless, a doctor doesn't have his life threatened at work so they should be punished more than cops for wrong procedures & mistakes at work but they are not because it is not in the public eye in the same way. It is usually not intentional in the same way cops' wrongdoings usually aren't either. It's a tough job where lives will always be lost from both cops and citizens

Pointing out when an officer is using inappropriate excessive force is NOT asking for them to be "lenient and let their guard down". It's a gross misrepresentation of what's actually being said.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by caprimint

No Annie... it does not need to be highlighted right here right now. That is literally the issue with this thread. This thread should not have been been a relevant thread to begin with, nor WOULD have been about 3 months prior to this.

You're right, this probably wouldn't have been news 3 months and that's where the problem lies. Black people have complained FOR YEARS about the treatment they receive at the hands of the Police but it has taken the death of a man for this to become mainstream news and force the Police force to look long and hard at some of the actions of a minority of officers. It needs to be highlighted and dealt with now so the Police can get on with what is a very hard job, professionally.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Unlike other jobs where you're punished for a wrong procedure, a police officer's life is threatened while doing their job. All it takes is one swift move by one criminal on any given day and it could very well be the end of their life. But the way cops are being scrutinized these days for any type of force shown on the job is very questionable. In a case like George Floyd, the cop did wrong and should be punished because he just allowed George to die while he was well past getting George securely on the ground where there was no chance for escape etc.

Look at what happened with that story of the guy at the Wendy's drive thru? Two officers being very lenient and letting their guard down allowed the man to break free AND take a taser from one of them while it was TWO ON ONE. Do people not see how easy it can be for an actual criminal to get the upper hand and end up killing a cop when force isn't applied? It resulted in the man being wrongly murdered in the end during a chase but it could've all been prevented. I can't blame cops too much for showing excessive force on the job when any seemingly 'harmless person' can flip on a dime while being under the threat of arrest. If it's not an OTT cold-blooded case (like what Derek did), there is no way 'incorrect procedure' should be punished in the same way it's punished in other jobs. Also, idk about where you guys are from but when a doctor messes up on an operation it has no type of severe consequence unless it is deemed to be a reoccurred thing or something purposely done for illegal reasons. Regardless, a doctor doesn't have his life threatened at work so they should be punished more than cops for wrong procedures & mistakes at work but they are not because it is not in the public eye in the same way. It is usually not intentional in the same way cops' wrongdoings usually aren't either. It's a tough job where lives will always be lost from both cops and citizens

All this being so true tho...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’d kick your soft arse all round Scotland 󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

don't threaten me with a good time Sheriff.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This thread would always have been relevant.

Yes, I know, because you would have made it be.

Doesn't mean it would, or should have been ultimately. It ONLY is regarding recent circumstances, not in the real/general world in disregard of the George Floyd situation.

[Liam-]

Asking cops to be good and professional at their jobs isn’t the same as asking them to put themselves at risk

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You're right, this probably wouldn't have been news 3 months and that's where the problem lies. Black people have complained FOR YEARS about the treatment they receive at the hands of the Police but it has taken the death of a man for this to become mainstream news and force the Police force to look long and hard at some of the actions of a minority of officers. It needs to be highlighted and dealt with now so the Police can get on with what is a very hard job, professionally.

The real issue is... if it was a white guy it would have never even been news lol

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The real issue is... if it was a white guy it would have never even been news lol

Aww, people never think of the white people.

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Pointing out when an officer is using inappropriate excessive force is NOT asking for them to be "lenient and let their guard down". It's a gross misrepresentation of what's actually being said.

Tea!

You can apply an adequate amount of force whilst still abiding by protocols. The two are not mutually exclusive. I mean jeez surely we all learn at a very early age that the neck is a very important body part and probably shouldn't be knelt on...

[Liam-]

Didn’t realise police brutality started 3 years ago

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Pointing out when an officer is using inappropriate excessive force is NOT asking for them to be "lenient and let their guard down". It's a gross misrepresentation of what's actually being said.

Just an example of what can happen while the cops are on the job trying to arrest someone. Not saying it means excessive force needs to be applied but some kind of force often does need to be and if a type of inappropriate wrong procedure ends up being applied it shouldn't be punished in the same way it is in other jobs when their lives are threatened while doing their jobs. People shouldn't be killed but as for excessive force in some ways, the job literally involves murder and includes murderers in that field of work. Most other people don't get murdered while trying to do their jobs, it's not comparable to other jobs out there. It needs to be regulated accordingly &
then punished when it goes OTT, for sure tho.

It's kinda subjective when "OTT" is "OTT" tho so that's where it's foggy and hard to regulate

Do firefighters get punished and scrutinized when a wrong procedure or mistake is made trying to save lives in a burning building? Sooome kind of punishment might occur depending what the mistake was but it is never severe and they are never scrutinized for trying to do their job in a high intensity life-threatening situation the way they saw fit.

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Didn’t realise police brutality started 3 years ago

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yes, I know, because you would have made it be.

Doesn't mean it would, or should have been ultimately. It ONLY is regarding recent circumstances, not in the real/general world in disregard of the George Floyd situation.

I would have created the thread if the George Floyd incident had never happened. Not sure I have the ability to make a thread relevant (looks mournfully at all the threads I've created with zero replies ).

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Do firefighters get punished and scrutinized when a wrong procedure or mistake is made trying to save lives in a burning building? Sooome kind of punishment might occur depending what the mistake was but it is never severe and they are never scrutinized for trying to do their job in a high intensity life-threatening situation the way they saw fit.

This is a great point BUT the firefighters are never directly responsible for any victims that perish in the incident. There are no out-and-out murders in a house fire the same way that there are in a situation where police officers literally cause the death of others.

[user104658]

I reckon I'm team Capri on the general thread stuff by the whayyy. I like most y'all individually, honestly, but there is some cliquey stuff/ganging up that goes on and it just doesn't tickle my pickle.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Just an example of what can happen while the cops are on the job trying to arrest someone. Not saying it means excessive force needs to be applied but some kind of force often does need to be and if a type of inappropriate wrong procedure ends up being applied it shouldn't be punished in the same way it is in other jobs when their lives are threatened while doing their jobs. People shouldn't be killed but as for excessive force in some ways, the job literally involves murder and includes murderers in that field of work. Most other people don't get murdered while trying to do their jobs, it's not comparable to other jobs out there. It needs to be regulated accordingly &
then punished when it goes OTT, for sure tho.

It's kinda subjective when "OTT" is "OTT" tho so that's where it's foggy and hard to regulate

Do firefighters get punished and scrutinized when a wrong procedure or mistake is made trying to save lives in a burning building? Sooome kind of punishment might occur depending what the mistake was but it is never severe and they are never scrutinized for trying to do their job in a high intensity life-threatening situation the way they saw fit.

YES YES YES

The truth in this tho

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You're right, this probably wouldn't have been news 3 months and that's where the problem lies. Black people have complained FOR YEARS about the treatment they receive at the hands of the Police .

In the UK?

how do you work that out?

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I reckon I'm team Capri on the general thread stuff by the whayyy. I like most y'all individually, honestly, but there is some cliquey stuff/ganging up that goes on and it just doesn't tickle my pickle.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I would have created the thread if the George Floyd incident had never happened. Not sure I have the ability to make a thread relevant (looks mournfully at all the threads I've created with zero replies ).

Yeah... I really doubt it lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Spend more time in the gym then you might be able to lift more than a pen.

Spend less time at the imaginary gym and you might be able to read what I write.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I reckon I'm team Capri on the general thread stuff by the whayyy. I like most y'all individually, honestly, but there is some cliquey stuff/ganging up that goes on and it just doesn't tickle my pickle.

Yeah the treatment of Ammi really is appalling

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yeah... I really doubt it lol

you are not alone...