[Ammi]

...I will wear a mask, obviously I will...but so far as supermarkets specifically are concerned...in my experience the mask wearers are the ones who’ve been coming really close and leaning over me...like the mask has given them some kind of super powers or something and social distancing doesn’t apply to them...so, I hope that doesn’t happen more and more...

[Ammi]

...I can only find this, it’s the USA though...



Each day, on average, two construction workers die of work-related injuries in the United States. In fact, one in five workplace fatalities are construction-related. The top causes of construction-related fatalities are falls, struck-by an object, electrocution and caught between objects.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I can only find this, it’s the USA though...



Each day, on average, two construction workers die of work-related injuries in the United States. In fact, one in five workplace fatalities are construction-related. The top causes of construction-related fatalities are falls, struck-by an object, electrocution and caught between objects.

I do wonder how their health and safety regulations compare to this side of the world though. Gav said that when they did their training in the Fire Brigade that they looked at the USA Fire Service sometimes, and they were very lax when it came to safety rules and procedures compared to Ireland and the UK for example

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I will wear a mask, obviously I will...but so far as supermarkets specifically are concerned...in my experience the mask wearers are the ones who’ve been coming really close and leaning over me...like the mask has given them some kind of super powers or something and social distancing doesn’t apply to them...so, I hope that doesn’t happen more and more...

yep, thats my biggest worry, there is no substitute for the 2 metre distance. The fact that they are saying no masks in offices is precisely for the reason that they know keeping the 2 metre distance is a must over an extended period, masks just arent good enough

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yep, thats my biggest worry, there is no substitute for the 2 metre distance. The fact that they are saying no masks in offices is precisely for the reason that they know keeping the 2 metre distance is a must over an extended period, masks just arent good enough

...(..I had read or heard on the tv, I can’t recall which...)...that the risk was higher with fleeting contact with lots of people, as in supermarkets/shopping...which doesn’t apply to your workplace office and in school etc because you’re with the same people each day...I know many work places who can’t keep a 2 metre distance and obviously schools can’t, it’s just not possible...but we’re being told that it’s the same colleagues each day, so....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...(..I had read or heard on the tv, I can’t recall which...)...that the risk was higher with fleeting contact with lots of people, as in supermarkets/shopping...which doesn’t apply to your workplace office and in school etc because you’re with the same people each day...I know many work places who can’t keep a 2 metre distance and obviously schools can’t, it’s just not possible...but we’re being told that it’s the same colleagues each day, so....

That varies based on percentage of population infected, the risk is higher when in contact with more people because of the higher chance that one of them has it... but being in prolonged contact with someone who DOES have it is (far) worse than fleetingly passing 10 people who have it. Currently, the chances of brushing past someone who has it (in the uk) is actually very low.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That varies based on percentage of population infected, the risk is higher when in contact with more people because of the higher chance that one of them has it... but being in prolonged contact with someone who DOES have it is (far) worse than fleetingly passing 10 people who have it. Currently, the chances of brushing past someone who has it (in the uk) is actually very low.

...but that’s the whole point though, if there is dishonesty then I can see why some are being difficult about wearing them...I don’t agree to not wearing one but i do see both sides...for instance, I’ll just say schools because obviously that’s applied to me more...there have been more children attending but in September it will be a full house, it has to be and most school staff want it to be..so no issue...?...but I wish the government would just be honest and say...ughhhh, we just have to have normality...because we do...instead of saying, oh you’ll be in that same class of children all day so there’s very little risk....which is just not true...their dishonesty is more frustrating for me than the virus is...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but that’s the whole point though, if there is dishonesty then I can see why some are being difficult about wearing them...I don’t agree to not wearing one but i do see both sides...for instance, I’ll just say schools because obviously that’s applied to me more...there have been more children attending but in September it will be a full house, it has to be and most school staff want it to be..so no issue...?...but I wish the government would just be honest and say...ughhhh, we just have to have normality...because we do...instead of saying, oh you’ll be in that same class of children all day so there’s very little risk....which is just not true...their dishonesty is more frustrating for me than the virus is...

I agree with that Ammi, I wish they would just say "look guys ideally we'd all just stick with distancing for the long term but in practical terms the country is going to collapse so masks are our best option for a half-way point".

They don't think people will accept a compromise though and I'm not sure I even really blame them there, people have not done a good job in recent years in suggesting that they can comprehend or accept shades of gray, they will push HARD for a simple black-or-white answer and that makes honesty quite difficult. When is the honest truth ever easy to swallow?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree with that Ammi, I wish they would just say "look guys ideally we'd all just stick with distancing for the long term but in practical terms the country is going to collapse so masks are our best option for a half-way point".

They don't think people will accept a compromise though and I'm not sure I even really blame them there, people have not done a good job in recent years in suggesting that they can comprehend or accept shades of gray, they will push HARD for a simple black-or-white answer and that makes honesty quite difficult. When is the honest truth ever easy to swallow?

...I’m not sure, I think the majority know the truth of it anyway...we’ve had so much information over the last few months that people know why industry is opening/why schools will be fully open etc...I honestly think there would be less resistance or reluctance if that honesty was shown because most understand, ‘normality’ has to return as much as possible...it’s that dishonesty that’s causing the confusion, which leads to resistance/reluctance and refusal...comprehension comes from honesty and that’s a basic principle we all know ...if we lied to our children, we could expect ‘bad behaviour‘ when their trust and belief is let down...