[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

I’m quite surprised they took so long to make this compulsory in shops. I’ve just bought some new reusable masks instead of having to wear the other cheap ones they provided for us. At the store I work at, they’ve said that all colleagues must wear a mask when on the shop floor at all times. The only time you can remove them is if your out the back in the warehouse or manning the tills because we have the screens up.

They also said that we aren’t allowed to challenge people that are not wearing a mask so I’m guessing that if they are caught by police in the shop not wearing one, then it’s that persons own fault which I think is fair.

Your bottom paragraph.
And that is where I shall take it up with cuntstable whomever

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

SAGE recommended masks in April.

But it wasn't compulsory until now, wearing masks in shops should of been compulsory from the beginning.

[joeysteele]

A little off topic.
Although related.

I was in a Store tonight for a few things.
A couple were in front of me at the checkout, the lady had a mask on, her husband none.

I heard her husband say, she'd be shopping on her own next week as masks had to be worn.
She replied, she bet if he could go and see his team playing a football match but had to wear a mask that he would.

He stated, he certainly would then.

Unbelievable.

[Beso]

Sounds like you were encroaching thier personal space to me...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sounds like you were encroaching thier personal space to me...

You think you can't hear what people are saying from 2 metres away.
Really!!!
How utterly pathetic a point.

We've all been told even when having people in our gardens, to maintain the 2 metre distancing then.
Do you actually think no one could hear what others were saying then too, unless they were nearer.

Or is it that more, what I posted showed a ridiculously selective point as to some making noises against wearing masks, when they'd have no objection really, if it suited them for another scenario than shopping.

Really though.
You actually think people can't be heard talking when 2 metres apart.
It's only 6 and a half feet apart.
Window cleaners doing upstairs windows can hear what the other is saying holding onto the ladder at the bottom.

Good grief, I'd be worried about that if I was you.

At home I can be in the kitchen and hear my family talking in another room, far more than 2 metres apart as they can me.

Just saying that to highlight how daft your criticism and getting at someone really was.

[James]

Prince back in 1995 on Top of the Pops.

Youtube video

[bots]

Top tip if you wear glasses like me. Put your glasses on after you put on your mask and they don't steam up

[Niamh.]

Compulsory in Ireland from today

[Niamh.]

Stole this from Facebook, so much sense

Rubberbandits
32 m ·
I wonder are there construction workers who think that mandatory hard hats are a global totalitarian conspiracy ? Or do they just realise that building sites are dangerous and hard hats keep themselves and others safe?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stole this from Facebook, so much sense

Rubberbandits
32 m ·
I wonder are there construction workers who think that mandatory hard hats are a global totalitarian conspiracy ? Or do they just realise that building sites are dangerous and hard hats keep themselves and others safe?

It's not even a bad comparison because building sites and building work is hot & sweaty, and hard hats are somewhat uncomfortable and can result in an itchy + sweaty head.

That said, to be balanced, the risk of getting a head injury on a building site with no hardhat is probably significantly higher than the risk of getting Covid without a mask (in the UK, currently).

Part of the problem is simply that people are NOTORIOUSLY bad at accurately assessing risk... it's actually been studied. We're **** at it and should just listen to the stats and experts because our "gut feelings" are usually way off

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not even a bad comparison because building sites and building work is hot & sweaty, and hard hats are somewhat uncomfortable and can result in an itchy + sweaty head.

That said, to be balanced, the risk of getting a head injury on a building site with no hardhat is probably significantly higher than the risk of getting Covid without a mask (in the UK, currently).

Part of the problem is simply that people are NOTORIOUSLY bad at accurately assessing risk... it's actually been studied. We're **** at it and should just listen to the stats and experts because our "gut feelings" are usually way off

Is it though?, I wonder how many times people on building sites actually get hit on the head (or on their hard hat) (I have no idea by the way, I'm just curious)

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Is it though?, I wonder how many times people on building sites actually get hit on the head (or on their hard hat) (I have no idea by the way, I'm just curious)

the whole safety package of boots, gloves, glasses and hat saves an awful lot of serious injuries. I've been in places where they have a counter of serious injuries that week and it was never zero

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Is it though?, I wonder how many times people on building sites actually get hit on the head (or on their hard hat) (I have no idea by the way, I'm just curious)

I think the risk from falling objects etc. might be relatively high and that on most building sites on most days there will be various minor injuries but that's just a guess! The Covid risk on the average trip to the supermarket as things are NOW is obviously very low even with no mask, it would be unlikely to even walk past someone who has it let alone catch it, but obviously the masks are there for good reason to try to remove even that tiny risk.

If it's somewhere like the US then it's a much more direct comparison because frankly the risk of catching it there is already moderate, and rising alarmingly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the whole safety package of boots, gloves, glasses and hat saves an awful lot of serious injuries. I've been in places where they have a counter of serious injuries that week and it was never zero

Oh I know that, Gav worked on a building site for years, I was just wondering what the stats might be on people actually getting hit on the hard hat by something. I think in its peak, catching Covid would have been a higher risk

[Ammi]

...I will wear a mask, obviously I will...but so far as supermarkets specifically are concerned...in my experience the mask wearers are the ones who’ve been coming really close and leaning over me...like the mask has given them some kind of super powers or something and social distancing doesn’t apply to them...so, I hope that doesn’t happen more and more...

[Ammi]

...I can only find this, it’s the USA though...



Each day, on average, two construction workers die of work-related injuries in the United States. In fact, one in five workplace fatalities are construction-related. The top causes of construction-related fatalities are falls, struck-by an object, electrocution and caught between objects.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I will wear a mask, obviously I will...but so far as supermarkets specifically are concerned...in my experience the mask wearers are the ones who’ve been coming really close and leaning over me...like the mask has given them some kind of super powers or something and social distancing doesn’t apply to them...so, I hope that doesn’t happen more and more...

yep, thats my biggest worry, there is no substitute for the 2 metre distance. The fact that they are saying no masks in offices is precisely for the reason that they know keeping the 2 metre distance is a must over an extended period, masks just arent good enough

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yep, thats my biggest worry, there is no substitute for the 2 metre distance. The fact that they are saying no masks in offices is precisely for the reason that they know keeping the 2 metre distance is a must over an extended period, masks just arent good enough

...(..I had read or heard on the tv, I can’t recall which...)...that the risk was higher with fleeting contact with lots of people, as in supermarkets/shopping...which doesn’t apply to your workplace office and in school etc because you’re with the same people each day...I know many work places who can’t keep a 2 metre distance and obviously schools can’t, it’s just not possible...but we’re being told that it’s the same colleagues each day, so....

[user104658]

Anecdotally, I don't think there's any question that people have relaxed on the social distancing with masks. BUT - I also think it was slipping quite significantly before the masks, so that's another part of the equation... is it a cause of it slipping, or has it only accelerated the inevitable? And if it's the latter, then obviously, masks are now PROVEN to mitigate a fairly large proportion of the risk even at < 2m. Passing someone in a shop isn't the same as sharing an office space, the risk of catching it that way was already far lower (even with no measures at all).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I can only find this, it’s the USA though...



Each day, on average, two construction workers die of work-related injuries in the United States. In fact, one in five workplace fatalities are construction-related. The top causes of construction-related fatalities are falls, struck-by an object, electrocution and caught between objects.

I do wonder how their health and safety regulations compare to this side of the world though. Gav said that when they did their training in the Fire Brigade that they looked at the USA Fire Service sometimes, and they were very lax when it came to safety rules and procedures compared to Ireland and the UK for example

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...(..I had read or heard on the tv, I can’t recall which...)...that the risk was higher with fleeting contact with lots of people, as in supermarkets/shopping...which doesn’t apply to your workplace office and in school etc because you’re with the same people each day...I know many work places who can’t keep a 2 metre distance and obviously schools can’t, it’s just not possible...but we’re being told that it’s the same colleagues each day, so....

That varies based on percentage of population infected, the risk is higher when in contact with more people because of the higher chance that one of them has it... but being in prolonged contact with someone who DOES have it is (far) worse than fleetingly passing 10 people who have it. Currently, the chances of brushing past someone who has it (in the uk) is actually very low.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anecdotally, I don't think there's any question that people have relaxed on the social distancing with masks. BUT - I also think it was slipping quite significantly before the masks, so that's another part of the equation... is it a cause of it slipping, or has it only accelerated the inevitable? And if it's the latter, then obviously, masks are now PROVEN to mitigate a fairly large proportion of the risk even at < 2m. Passing someone in a shop isn't the same as sharing an office space, the risk of catching it that way was already far lower (even with no measures at all).

ive had a couple of deliveries where they stood right at the door. As I had a cam on them I was able to watch and tell them to back off from the door

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ive had a couple of deliveries where they stood right at the door. As I had a cam on them I was able to watch and tell them to back off from the door

I'm not that arsed about deliveries from local places. If the person delivering it has Covid then there's a good chance the person who made the food has it two, meaning keeping a distance from the delivery driver is probably a bit pointless . I suppose I should always consider that *I* might have it though, and if they get it from me then it could go to everyone in the area who just wanted a curry .

*edit* Just noticed you didn't even say "food deliveries". I must be hungry

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not that arsed about deliveries from local places. If the person delivering it has Covid then there's a good chance the person who made the food has it two, meaning keeping a distance from the delivery driver is probably a bit pointless . I suppose I should always consider that *I* might have it though, and if they get it from me then it could go to everyone in the area who just wanted a curry .

*edit* Just noticed you didn't even say "food deliveries". I must be hungry

one was Asda .. who wanted to come in the house with the bags ... i told him to **** right off ... the other was DPD who i gave the evil eye too

Thats the point ... if they do 100 deliveries a day and are up close with everyone ... thats 100 chances they have to catch it from someone else if they don't distance .... i truly believe people are just basically stupid

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That varies based on percentage of population infected, the risk is higher when in contact with more people because of the higher chance that one of them has it... but being in prolonged contact with someone who DOES have it is (far) worse than fleetingly passing 10 people who have it. Currently, the chances of brushing past someone who has it (in the uk) is actually very low.

...but that’s the whole point though, if there is dishonesty then I can see why some are being difficult about wearing them...I don’t agree to not wearing one but i do see both sides...for instance, I’ll just say schools because obviously that’s applied to me more...there have been more children attending but in September it will be a full house, it has to be and most school staff want it to be..so no issue...?...but I wish the government would just be honest and say...ughhhh, we just have to have normality...because we do...instead of saying, oh you’ll be in that same class of children all day so there’s very little risk....which is just not true...their dishonesty is more frustrating for me than the virus is...