[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You don't need to be a shrinking violet to be an abuse victim. I know you're not outright saying you have to be but statements like that really don't help.

The lines are blurred because they're three-dimensional human beings with complex personalities and relationship histories and not the cardboard cutout good and bad guy. It's not really a reason to say neither can be or are victims of abuse. It just doesn't work that way.

When calling out abuse, it isn't excusing the other person's faults. It's calling out abuse.



She's clearly not a woman in her right mind, and regardless of what anyone thinks of either of them she has told countless lies and painted herself as the victim she never was, so she "took on" the Hollywood A-lister when she didn't need to. If she was a victim of his abuse she wouldn't have needed to lie and invent stories or make threats that no one would believe him if her claims were genuine.

Not sure what your argument is here... saying they are both at fault means both are victims and abusers...
I can make that statement if I like whether it 'helps' or not.
It's not your call to suggest the debate can't include the opinion that they have both contributed to and been impacted by their own destructive tendencies. As well as being physically and mentally damaged by the actions of the other.

My view takes the fact that people are multifaceted and there isn't one abuser and one victim.. regardless of gender.

The phrase 'took on' was not directed towards amber it was those who provided statements for her in her defence. Whatever you think of her and the validity of her version these people are in a court of law to say she is right to say that... if she is making the whole thing up why would they 'take on ' Depp?