[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not creating anything, you simply have an incorrect assumption of what the outcome of this case means.

Very little would overcome Amber Heard appropriating rape stories to make herself look like a victim and basically goading Johnny Depp by telling him no one would believe him on tape. Neither are the actions of victims. The fact that we know that Depp tried to remedy the situation while Heard tried to keep things as they were is another strike against her.

Would you be defending Amber Heard's action if she was a man that had lied about being raped? That had told a woman that no one would believe her if she went public with what he had done? I don't think so. The difference is my opinion would remain the same regardless.

What presumption have I placed on the meaning of the outcome of the case?...
She was not on trial was she? Whatever anyone thinks of her it has no baring on the outcome of the case here.

I find it interesting that these 'strikes' are only against her and the findings of the case in her favour is not seen as a strike for Depp. .. He is still seen as the victim by you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What presumption have I placed on the meaning of the outcome of the case?...
She was not on trial was she? Whatever anyone thinks of her it has no baring on the outcome of the case here.

I find it interesting that these 'strikes' are only against her and the findings of the case in her favour is not seen as a strike for Depp. .. He is still seen as the victim by you.

The assumption that this case's outcome clears Heard and places all the blame on Depp, which is evidenced by you branding any criticism of Heard as 'mysoginistic trolling'.

It doesn't matter if she was on trial or not, I've always referred to the evidence we know of, her own recorded words and the fact she's twisted enough to co-opt someone else's trauma for her own use, as well as the fact that it was Depp that reached out for help, not her.

Evidence is evidence, Kizzy, and to me it screams wanton emotional, mental and coercive abuse. You keep trying to make this about gender but the truth is my opinion would remain the same if the genders were flipped. Hell, I'm typically far more supporting of women then I am men which is why, when this story first came about, I was completely supportive of Heard and I believed her without question.

I don't think Johnny Depp is innocent, but I think if anyone is a victim of abuse and they lash out, it's not right, but it's understandable. As I said before, I wouldn't condemn a woman for doing the same so I can't condemn a man if that's the case because that would be hypocrisy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The assumption that this case's outcome clears Heard and places all the blame on Depp, which is evidenced by you branding any criticism of Heard as 'mysoginistic trolling'.

It doesn't matter if she was on trial or not, I've always referred to the evidence we know of, her own recorded words and the fact she's twisted enough to co-opt someone else's trauma for her own use, as well as the fact that it was Depp that reached out for help, not her.

Evidence is evidence, Kizzy, and to me it screams wanton emotional, mental and coercive abuse. You keep trying to make this about gender but the truth is my opinion would remain the same if the genders were flipped. Hell, I'm typically far more supporting of women then I am men which is why, when this story first came about, I was completely supportive of Heard and I believed her without question.

I don't think Johnny Depp is innocent, but I think if anyone is a victim of abuse and they lash out, it's not right, but it's understandable. As I said before, I wouldn't condemn a woman for doing the same so I can't condemn a man if that's the case because that would be hypocrisy.

If you look at my posts in this thread I clearly haven't placed all the blame on one person in the relationship.
I don't keep trying to make this about gender, you have however by suggesting my feelings on rape would be different for men...you have no reason whatsoever to suggest that.
You've taken the accusations by one person and one comment used that as a basis to suggest all manner of character flaws as well as to absolve Depp of any culpability.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you look at my posts in this thread I clearly haven't placed all the blame on one person in the relationship.
I don't keep trying to make this about gender, you have however by suggesting my feelings on rape would be different for men...you have no reason whatsoever to suggest that.
You've taken the accusations by one person and one comment used that as a basis to suggest all manner of character flaws as well as to absolve Depp of any culpability.

I have literally said that Johnny Depp is not blameless multiple times. Pay attention.

You do make it about gender though, you suggested having a negative opinion about Heard was mysoginistic trolling, you're downplaying her actions in this post and bypassing all the **** she's done.

I've never said Depp was without blame, but that I can't completely condemn him since I wouldn't do so if it was a woman in his shoes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have literally said that Johnny Depp is not blameless multiple times. Pay attention.

You do make it about gender though, you suggested having a negative opinion about Heard was mysoginistic trolling, you're downplaying her actions in this post and bypassing all the **** she's done.

I've never said Depp was without blame, but that I can't completely condemn him since I wouldn't do so if it was a woman in his shoes.

I am paying attention.. (by the way this derogatory language isn't doing you any favours here)
They are both to blame yes and there is evidence of shocking behaviour on both sides, I see that's acknowledged but only Heard is getting tarred as an evil psycho. .
You are likening Depp to a victim and that's just not the case..literally.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am paying attention.. (by the way this derogatory language isn't doing you any favours here)
They are both to blame yes and there is evidence of shocking behaviour on both sides, I see that's acknowledged but only Heard is getting tarred as an evil psycho. .
You are likening Depp to a victim and that's just not the case..literally.

Leave the pearls out of it, Kizzy, claiming offense doesn't give your argument weight.

Neither are blameless but if you were being honest with yourself and saw the forest for the trees, it would be very difficult to both sides this given what we know of Amber Heard. Be real with me, Kizzy, would you honestly hold the same opinion you have for this case if the genders were reversed?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Leave the pearls out of it, Kizzy, claiming offense doesn't give your argument weight.

Neither are blameless but if you were being honest with yourself and saw the forest for the trees, it would be very difficult to both sides this given what we know of Amber Heard. Be real with me, Kizzy, would you honestly hold the same opinion you have for this case if the genders were reversed?

Again with the silly sexist comment, theres no weight to be had in this debate as we're not debating anything factual, this is my opinion...why would it need 'weight'?
I find your use of language to describe only one party in this case that as you admit are both guilty of abuse one sided and verging on what I would consider misogyny.
it's you obsessed with gender Dezzy not me. I would of course be the same but you accusing me of bias only serves to detract from your own here obviously.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are likening Depp to a victim and that's just not the case..literally.

Coming from the person calling any valid criticism of Heard "misogynistic".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Coming from the person calling any valid criticism of Heard "misogynistic".

Yes coming from me. The case found he was literally not the victim.
The criticism may be valid to you...however IN MY OPINION it isn't. I find the use of language in the posts misogynistic. If you don't agree/ like that let it be known, I don't care.