[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the term wouldn’t really register with me…but though, I have used it myself and it’s been noted that ‘hey all/hey folk’ would be more appropriate, so that’s fine…I’ve used that instead…I’ve also said hey girlies when there have been males present also…

We will have none of that nonsense in the breastfeeding group,we are all inclusive so lets exclude most of you instead

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…mind you @Benjamin …if you did come in and say hi guys while I was breast-feeding, I might think…are you trying to be funny or what mate…?..

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not at all. Also, I've chaired meetings and been called madam chairman and it did not ruin my life.

They called you madam and you let it slide!?

[James]

I decided a while ago to limit all discussions of trans issues and UK immigration / migrants to their own threads. They're pretty divisive on the forum, and causing arguments and reports. It's not really what this forum is about also.

I was waiting for more threads on these topics to be created.

So post topics and news stories about transgender issues in this thread.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I do have a question for the ladies though (slightly off topic) out of curiosity.

If there was a group of you (mixed gender) and I came in and said ‘Hi guys’ to address the group, would that bother you?

Not at all..it's baffling the things people are offended by these days

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by James

I decided a while ago to limit all discussions of trans issues and UK immigration / migrants to their own threads. They're pretty divisive on the forum, and causing arguments and reports. It's not really what this forum is about also.

I was waiting for more threads on these topics to be created.

So post topics and news stories about transgender issues in this thread.

…I’m totally with your stance regarding transgender stories/discussions etc…but I have to say with this one…?…it’s not necessarily transgender related that seems to have been an assumption…this is all I can find from the FB group in regards to Admin rules…

Debate and discussion is healthy and welcomed but we draw a line at bullying, nastiness, name calling and rudeness.We rely on a safe, confidential environment within the group. Anything that is posted in the group stays within the group. No screenshotting and posting elsewhere. We are a fully inclusive group and respect peoples pronouns. We do not tolerate racism, transphobia, xenophobia etc. These will be instant removals as is Blocking admin or rudeness towards admin.


…and that all seems fair wording to me in terms of rules…and it totally may be that there is an addition to that as previously has been posted but I’m also cynical enough in this current divisive climate to feel that there may have been some editing as well, I’m really not sure …but just not a definite trans-gender related story …

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not at all..it's baffling the things people are offended by these days

…that honestly actually does offend me…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m totally with your stance regarding transgender stories/discussions etc…but I have to say with this one…?…it’s not necessarily transgender related that seems to have been an assumption…this is all I can find from the FB group in regards to Admin rules…

Debate and discussion is healthy and welcomed but we draw a line at bullying, nastiness, name calling and rudeness.We rely on a safe, confidential environment within the group. Anything that is posted in the group stays within the group. No screenshotting and posting elsewhere. We are a fully inclusive group and respect peoples pronouns. We do not tolerate racism, transphobia, xenophobia etc. These will be instant removals as is Blocking admin or rudeness towards admin.


…and that all seems fair wording to me in terms of rules…and it totally may be that there is an addition to that as previously has been posted but I’m also cynical enough in this current divisive climate to feel that there may have been some editing as well, I’m really not sure …but just not a definite trans-gender related story …

The FB group is private so you'd have to join to see the post I assume

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The FB group is private so you'd have to join to see the post I assume

…yeah, that’s what I found and also that screenshots from there shouldn’t be taken off site so it’s hard to know if it’s something that was genuinely said or whether text has been manipulated/changed because that isn’t so rare in our present world…I like to fact check as much as I can and it’s not possible to do so with this for a non member of the group…

[Crimson Dynamo]

We need to identify a lactating member and send her in undercover

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, that’s what I found and also that screenshots from there shouldn’t be taken off site so it’s hard to know if it’s something that was genuinely said or whether text has been manipulated/changed because that isn’t so rare in our present world…I like to fact check as much as I can and it’s not possible to do so with this for a non member of the group…

Yeah, its hard to believe anything you see on line these days for sure

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, its hard to believe anything you see on line these days for sure

Our main news media lie constantly every hour of the day

[Maru]

If it's inside a private FB group, unless they're planning to do something outside of it, seems a bit silly to go based on posts inside of it trying to make it news.. do we now start reporting on all the weird things that get said privately. Where would that stop?

If it were posts of ex members with social commentary, then that might be the story (how noteworthy is the question), not a single random screenshot.

I do have some personal experience with fancy rules especially with onboarding. Imo, these rules are meant to cull membership and have people self select out. Of recent, I was trying to post in a group for my daughters activities. It wasn't a political group but when joining you have to answer questions, usually just to confirm you are not a bot. On the questionnaire we had to look up a random book that was Antiracist propaganda and put that in. On another one of them I had to look up black inventions that were stolen, completely unrelated to the group. So I self-selected myself out, which is the actual point of these kinds of rules I think.

If it sounds unnecessarily divisive then likely, yes... that's the point, I think.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Our main news media lie constantly every hour of the day

Not GBnewsHD

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Not GBnewsHD

no
thank God we have them and Talk

[Ammi]

…I didn’t know whether to put this in here or whether it’s a stand alone thread…is this what some females are going to have to do now, if some feel that a female doesn’t fit with their idea of femininity…it kind of leaves me speechless…


Macrons to provide evidence proving Brigitte is a woman, lawyer says…

Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte, plan to present "scientific evidence" in a US court to prove Mrs Macron is a woman.

The French President and Mrs Macron have taken a defamation lawsuit against far-right activist Candace Owens, who made unsubstantiated claims Brigitte Macron was born male.

Since 2024, the prominent conservative podcaster has shared a series of YouTube videos for her nearly five million subscribers, including a multi-part series called "Becoming Brigitte", claiming Mrs Macron was born male.

In March of that year, Ms Owens tweeted she would "stake my entire personal reputation" to prove Mrs Macron "is in fact a man".

Ms Owens, who previously hosted a show on the US conservative outlet The Daily Wire, also claimed there was a "trove of evidence and documentation" to prove Mrs Macron was born male.

He said the French president and his wife feel offended and hurt that their identity and relationship are being scrutinised in what they say are false allegations about Mrs Macron.

This prompted the Macrons to file a lawsuit against the conservative commentator in July, asking Ms Owens to stop making the claim.

Now, they plan to provide scientific and photographic evidence in a court of law in Delaware to dismiss the claim and prove Mrs Macron is a woman.

Their lawyer, Tom Clare, said in a BBC podcast that Mrs Macron has found the claims to be "incredibly upsetting" and distracting to the French president.

Mr Clare spoke of the couple's importance on the world stage, but added, "they are also human beings".

In the US, defamation against public figures requires plaintiffs to prove "actual malice", meaning the burden falls on the Macrons to produce evidence to show the defendant knowingly spread false information or acted with "reckless disregard".

"It is incredibly upsetting to think that you have to go and subject yourself to put this type of proof forward," Mr Clare said to the BBC.

He added Mrs Macron is willing to "subject herself in a very public way" to quash the false allegations.

"If that unpleasantness and that discomfort that she has of opening herself up in that way is what it takes to set a record straight and stop this, she's 100% ready to meet that burden," the Macrons' lawyer said.

Rumours about Mrs Macron being a transgender woman and born male began in 2021 after French bloggers Armandine Roy and Natacha Rey claimed in a YouTube video that she was actually a man named Jean-Michel Trogneux.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/macrons-ev...102600590.html

[Maru]

Candace Owens is a fraud. It's amazing how her this part of her slate was wiped clean once she started playing for the right:

The Strange Tale of Social Autopsy, the Anti-Harassment Start-up That Descended Into Gamergate Trutherism (2016)
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016...rutherism.html

Social Autopsy launched its Kickstarter campaign on April 12, billing itself as a way to catalogue the abuses of trolls and cyberbullies. Its founder is Candace Owens, a 26-year-old woman with a background in finance who has painful firsthand experience with bullying — when she was in high school in Stamford, Connecticut, a classmate and former friend left racist death threats on her phone, sparking a local scandal that came to ensnare the mayor and his son, the latter of whom was in a car with the perpetrator at the time he threatened Owens.

It’s clear these events had an effect on Owens. “The age of technology and social media has slowly disintegrated individual accountability, the consequences of which are devastating,” she says in Social Autopsy’s promotional video, which then rolls news coverage of a series of suicides that may have been caused, at least in part, by cyberbullying. She then explains what Social Autopsy will do: “We attach [people’s] words to their places of employment, and anybody in the entire world can search for them. What we are doing is figuratively lifting the masks up so nobody can hide behind, you know, Twitter handles or privatized profiles. It’s all real, and it’s all researchable. You can still say whatever you want to say on social media, but you have to be willing to stand by your words.” According to the Kickstarter, the company is seeking $75,000 in funding and hopes to launch with 150,000 profiles.

TLDR: Social Autopsy was project for building a search engine where people's private information would be posted relative to their comments... so would be officially a doxxing website. Now she's one of the "bullies" she once campaigned against.


Even with testing, people are still going to keep claiming that she is actually male. This still gets said about Michelle Obama. People used to accuse people like Wendy Williams of being a man during the 90s. There were frequently articles in US tabloids always entertaining the possibility or claiming to have exposed different celebrities for the same thing. I used to remember seeing those on the front page in grocery stores.

They weren't sued I guess because it could be assumed publications like the National Enquirer were being entertaining for indulging a hoax. Except now anyone can break the news now, including the average sh**poster. So it's almost impossible to draw the same lines now as before.

[Ammi]

…I don’t know anything about Candace Owen’s, really…(…I believe…)…that her statement also was that the relationship was also incestuous…that the Macrons are closely blood related…?…

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I don’t know anything about Candace Owen’s, really…(…I believe…)…that her statement also was that the relationship was also incestuous…that the Macrons are closely blood related…?…

Owens is a liar, she peddles all sorts of rubbish and her fan base lap it up. Her videos average 5 million views. She has made a lot of money from it

Her latest theory is that Israel was behind the Kirk asssination

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

Owens is a liar, she peddles all sorts of rubbish and her fan base lap it up. Her videos average 5 million views. She has made a lot of money from it

Her latest theory is that Israel was behind the Kirk asssination

…how does anyone get away with that as a lifestyle in the US especially, the country of I will sue your ass…?…

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…how does anyone get away with that as a lifestyle in the US especially, the country of I will sue your ass…?…

i believe she is part of a very rich family and she just doesn't care. Macron is suing her for a lot of money and she has continued with the lies about his wife

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

i believe she is part of a very rich family and she just doesn't care. Macron is suing her for a lot of money and she has continued with the lies about his wife

…I mean, just the concept that a woman is having to give proof that she’s a woman is just horrendous and to add to that…?…the cause of that having to be proved to a court so publicly has been prompted by unfounded words from another woman…

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I mean, just the concept that a woman is having to give proof that she’s a woman is just horrendous and to add to that…?…the cause of that having to be proved to a court so publicly has been prompted by unfounded words from another woman…

Yes it's disgusting. This is what happens when people who aren't trans become obsessed with people who are, despite them making up approx 0.5-1% of the population.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

Owens is a liar, she peddles all sorts of rubbish and her fan base lap it up. Her videos average 5 million views. She has made a lot of money from it

Her latest theory is that Israel was behind the Kirk asssination

She has gone quite barmy in the last few years

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…how does anyone get away with that as a lifestyle in the US especially, the country of I will sue your ass…?…

She married into money I think so I don't know that she earned that all from podcasting. I think he was British.

We can sue anyone we want but defamation has a very high bar and one has to be able to prove the person knew it was false (we don't know everything about his murder yet...) AND that there was malicious intent or negligence in spreading false info. They have to be a public enough figure and that the defamation was enough to do lasting harm and damage. Talking crap wouldn't be enough. Conjecture or wondering outloud wouldn't be enough.

There is a small bench trial that is needed to determine whether it qualifies to go to an actual trial and requires lawyers submit needed evidence. Usually a jury is needed, so that means going through selection. All this is very expensive. It is only worth it if the opponent is loaded and if that person has such overwhelming evidence that the behavior was systematic. People think very subjectively when it comes to the intents of others so it is easier to lose than not. Other people were saying Israel did it also so her defense can use that to say well that was a very normal thing to wonder sooo...