[Shasown]

Originally Posted by happyland

But I don't see anyone cracking one liners about this little boy taped to the wall.. I agree a joke is just a joke. But it is one thing laughing at a joke made about something serious to actually laughing a picture of a baby's distress and fear.. You know what I mean?

I mean I chuckled at a few jokes following the horrific boxing day Tsunami.. I didn't however sit and laugh my socks off at as I watched thousands of people being swept to their death.. there is a difference!

Black humour is a way of dealing with things people dont want to deal directly with. A coping mechanism. Saves the person getting depressed over shocking things, also prevents more serious mental problems.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by happyland

OK, fair enough.. I syill find it difficult to see any humour in doing this to a defenceless child. It would maybe be funny (well, to some) to see this happen on a stag do or in college or summat, but not to a little boy! He won't see the funny side of it afterwards. He'll just be confused and frightened as to why his mammy was doing this and scaring him.. Nah, not funny at all.

Of course, I'm not denying it. There is no denying that this is a vile, repulsive, twisted thing to do, of course not. But the jokes that have been made about it are funny. Not the incident, the jokes. There is nothing funny about a young child effectively being tortured, but the comments that have been made are. And the reason why most people find 'dark' jokes funny is because of the shock factor. It's not the incident I'm laughing at, it's just how vulgar and nasty the joke is that's funny.

[setanta]

Where did they get green duct tape by the way?

[Tom]

Funny that Kazanne of all people is taking the moral high ground on this

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Black humour is a way of dealing with things people dont want to deal directly with. A coping mechanism. Saves the person getting depressed over shocking things, also prevents more serious mental problems.

Oh yeah, I know. I can think of a load of bad things that have happened that have induced a frenzy of sick sick jokes.. You have to klaugh though, or you would actually cry..

SOme things ARE too much though. Most involving kids. I nearly flipped when a colleague made a joke about the Dunblane shootings, Baby P.. I can't even think about let alone laugh at a joke etc etc

However, I know that everbody can laugh at different things.. but for me, some things are taken too far.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by setanta

Where did they get green duct tape by the way?

James....

[setanta]

Originally Posted by happyland

James....

Ok ok, I was going to answer the question myself but I'll be good!

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by setanta

Ok ok, I was going to answer the question myself but I'll be good!

You'd be as well telling us now!!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

Surely its crueler to call your child Angus

I guess you'd have to ask anyone who is actually called Angus? Don't give up the day job

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not really. A joke is a joke. A joke. It's that simple, really. If anyone takes a joke seriously [whether it's a knock knock joke or a Fritzl joke] then there's a problem. Because a joke is not meant to be serious, and I seriously cannot stand this assumption that because I laugh or poke fun at something that is 'serious', I am condemning the act that I'm laughing at. I mean...it's...ludicrous. Similar to what kazanne said in this thread. So because I have a dark sense of humour I torture animals? One of the most laughable things I have ever heard in my life.

You are always trying to squirm out of stuff,by passing the 'joke'off as "I laugh at the incident,not at what happened" what a load of bollocks,something is either funny or it isn't ,So tell us all what was it exactly about THE INCIDENT that was funny?and yes i guess torture would make YOU laugh.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tom

Funny that Kazanne of all people is taking the moral high ground on this

I am surprised you know what morals are!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Of course, I'm not denying it. There is no denying that this is a vile, repulsive, twisted thing to do, of course not. But the jokes that have been made about it are funny. Not the incident, the jokes. There is nothing funny about a young child effectively being tortured, but the comments that have been made are. And the reason why most people find 'dark' jokes funny is because of the shock factor. It's not the incident I'm laughing at, it's just how vulgar and nasty the joke is that's funny.

Hows about telling us some of your 'funny' jokes then,so we can make our own minds up whether we agree with you.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I am surprised you know what morals are!!

Sorry, was getting you mixed up with Karezza, I do apologise. And I think I've got a pretty good grasp on morality, I'm just not serious all the time with every issue, you need a bit of light relief in some cases (where appropriate). This is a sick thing to do but theres a slight funny side to it- just as there was a kind of funny side to the woman on todays This Morning who has spasmed into the shape of a flamingo

[Angus]

Originally Posted by kazanne

You are always trying to squirm out of stuff,by passing the 'joke'off as "I laugh at the incident,not at what happened" what a load of bollocks,something is either funny or it isn't ,So tell us all what was it exactly about THE INCIDENT that was funny?and yes i guess torture would make YOU laugh.

Why do some people think it's cool and big to joke about this particular incident? The pictures clearly show a little lad who is terrified and bewildered with no-one to turn to, and now I'm being lectured by immature, pathetic little jerks about how I don't GET the humour in the situation? You know what, I'm bloody glad I don't - It's that sort of attitude that desensitises people to the reality and horror of such incidents. No wonder this bloody country is going down the pan.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I think what really upsets me is the knowledge that, as I type this, there are probably thousands upons thousands of children like this behind closed doors who are at the mercy of scummy useless parents, being subjected to random acts of neglect and cruelty which we never hear about.

I know that little James was a relative of yours and I can still remember how I sobbed when I heard about what had happened to him. At the time my youngest son was the same age and my heart went out to Denise Bulger.

I can laugh about a lot of things, but child cruelty and neglect? NEVER.

I agree,I like a laugh aswell as the next person,but really,how can anyone laugh at a kids distress like that?We were pretty lucky with James I only ever heard one joke about him,I think most sane people know that some lines are not to be crossed,i cannot believe a comedian would make jokes about Baby Peter!!! as someone said on here,I am shocked,No wonder kids are like they are today,I have seen some attrocious parenting,some of them are almost ferrel!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Why do some people think it's cool and big to joke about this particular incident? The pictures clearly show a little lad who is terrified and bewildered with no-one to turn to, and now I'm being lectured by immature, pathetic little jerks about how I don't GET the humour in the situation? You know what, I'm bloody glad I don't - It's that sort of attitude that desensitises people to the reality and horror of such incidents. No wonder this bloody country is going down the pan.

Exactly,shame some of them aren't taped to a wall and left there!!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well strangely enough I thought this was the "serious debates" forum, not the forum for inappropriate infantile jokes about child abuse. Why would you take offence at the comment that you are wired differently to find child cruelty amusing, when it is so obviously a statement of fact?

So did I angus58 think this was the serious debates forum,its sad really.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tom

Sorry, was getting you mixed up with Karezza, I do apologise. And I think I've got a pretty good grasp on morality, I'm just not serious all the time with every issue, you need a bit of light relief in some cases (where appropriate). This is a sick thing to do but theres a slight funny side to it- just as there was a kind of funny side to the woman on todays This Morning who has spasmed into the shape of a flamingo

Apology accepted,I was wondering what I had supposed to have done,I can see the funny side of the THIS MORNING item as she was an adult and knew she was being filmed and was willing to explain her illness,this little lad however didn't have a choice,that's the difference for me.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Of course, I'm not denying it. There is no denying that this is a vile, repulsive, twisted thing to do, of course not. But the jokes that have been made about it are funny. Not the incident, the jokes. There is nothing funny about a young child effectively being tortured, but the comments that have been made are. And the reason why most people find 'dark' jokes funny is because of the shock factor. It's not the incident I'm laughing at, it's just how vulgar and nasty the joke is that's funny.

Another 'cop out'

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

something is either funny or it isn't ,

Wrong. Things are funny to different people. It's called differing sense of humours. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Originally Posted by kazanne

So tell us all what was it exactly about THE INCIDENT that was funny?

Nothing about the incident was funny...are you even reading my posts, love?

Originally Posted by kazanne

and yes i guess torture would make YOU laugh.

Then you are evidently deluded.

Originally Posted by kazanne

Hows about telling us some of your 'funny' jokes then,so we can make our own minds up whether we agree with you.

What's the point? You'll just take the moral high ground anyway, regardless of whether you found them funny or not. You like to play devil's advocate.

Originally Posted by kazanne

Exactly,shame some of them aren't taped to a wall and left there!!

To be honest it's comments like this that are nastier than 'sick' jokes themselves. People should be tortured or enjoy torturing people for having a different sense of humour? You are really, really clueless. It's outstanding.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Wrong. Things are funny to different people. It's called differing sense of humours. What's so difficult to understand about that?



Nothing about the incident was funny...are you even reading my posts, love?



Then you are evidently deluded.



What's the point? You'll just take the moral high ground anyway, regardless of whether you found them funny or not. You like to play devil's advocate.



To be honest it's comments like this that are nastier than 'sick' jokes themselves. People should be tortured or enjoy torturing people for having a different sense of humour? You are really, really clueless. It's outstanding.

Jack,just be quiet and give your arse a chance,the only thing outstanding hear is the fact that you think you are great and always right.Just hold that thought and tell us these funny jokes you are so fond of.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I'm not bothered about them or their 'human rights' I am bothered that a child has suffered for their warped entertainment.

Along with every comment from angus58,this is also a to the point and very strong comment too kazanne from you.
I personally have no symapthy at all or see anything remotely humerous in inflicting suffering of any kind on a child.
It is clear and simple assault,because the child cannot yet understand what fun and hurt may be, and its abuse too.
It os from incidents like this that in the end if unchecked, far more serious things can happen, and they do despite all the reports of child protection and making sure bad things don't happen to children.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Jack,just be quiet

Lost for words, are you? Bless

Originally Posted by kazanne

Just hold that thought and tell us these funny jokes you are so fond of.

Okay then, but I know what's coming. Here's a few [recent ones and old]:

My twin sons Craig and Stuart are going to America to audition on the X factor when it starts over there.

"Hi, i'm Craig towers, and i'm Stuart towers... and together we're twin towers"

I've got a feeling they'll go down well.

I called that Rape Advice Line earlier today.

Unfortunately, it's only for victims.

Josef Fritzl is delighted that his sentence has been reduced to 100 hours community service.

He has been ordered to spend it teaching Gerry McCann how to lock a ****ing door.

I bought my daughter the Josef Fritzl advent calendar.

Every time she tries to open a door, I close it and rape her.

Not the best but they're the only ones I could find right now [I forget most of the jokes I read].

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Along with every comment from angus58,this is also a to the point and very strong comment too kazanne from you.
I personally have no symapthy at all or see anything remotely humerous in inflicting suffering of any kind on a child.
It is clear and simple assault,because the child cannot yet understand what fun and hurt may be, and its abuse too.
It os from incidents like this that in the end if unchecked, far more serious things can happen, and they do despite all the reports of child protection and making sure bad things don't happen to children.

I cannot believe people try to vindicate themselves finding this funny by saying "It's the jokes about it that are funny" so what are these jokes?they must be about the boy,so isn't that the same as laughing at what happened,I wonder sometimes what some of these people are on!!! If someone is an adult and a willing participant then yes laugh and joke all you like,But kids.NO.and hello Joey,nice to see you posting again.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I cannot believe people try to vindicate themselves finding this funny by saying "It's the jokes about it that are funny" so what are these jokes?they must be about the boy,so isn't that the same as laughing at what happened,I wonder sometimes what some of these people are on!!! If someone is an adult and a willing participant then yes laugh and joke all you like,But kids.NO.and hello Joey,nice to see you posting again.

Thank you kazanne, and I agree totally with all your comments above,there is nothing remotely funny about this incident at all.