[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Aaron made the agreement for the £30/20 split when he was drunk. Jay said Aaron could have his money because Jay didn't want it at all.

Being in a bad mood does not escape your responsibilities. If Jay is asking people to watch their agreement on YT, then he also needs to remember that he promised £15k to Aaron in front of a million people.

Aaron did just want to win, but he didn't say "if I win, then person x" can have the money. The by product of Aaron winning was the prize money, not the other way around.

They didn't agree on that though, he swapped the names and Aaron later swapped them back, further reinforcing the fact that they hadn't agreed on the deal - Justsayin'

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They didn't agree on that though, he swapped the names and Aaron later swapped them back, further reinforcing the fact that they hadn't agreed on the deal - Justsayin'

It doesn't really matter though, does it? Jay said Aaron could have it as he didn't want it. There is no deal to be made. If I say "Niamh, I don't want my car, you can have it", then we don't have to shake hands on it. I just drop the car round to yours, give you the paperwork and Keys, and you've got yourself a car. No deal is ever made in this instance.

For the record, I don't know where I would need to drop the car, and it's definitely not me in the parked car across the road with the binoculars and long mac.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It doesn't really matter though, does it? Jay said Aaron could have it as he didn't want it. There is no deal to be made. If I say "Niamh, I don't want my car, you can have it", then we don't have to shake hands on it. I just drop the car round to yours, give you the paperwork and Keys, and you've got yourself a car. No deal is ever made in this instance.

For the record, I don't know where I would need to drop the car, and it's definitely not me in the parked car across the road with the binoculars and long mac.

True but If I said "No, Mr. H Christ I don't want your car" (which is what Aaron effectively did by swapping the names back to their original place then the offer is voided...........imo

Originally Posted by Niamh.

True but If I said "No, Mr. H Christ I don't want your car" (which is what Aaron effectively did by swapping the names back to their original place then the offer is voided...........imo

Please, call me Jesus!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Please, call me Jesus!

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They didn't agree on that though, he swapped the names and Aaron later swapped them back, further reinforcing the fact that they hadn't agreed on the deal - Justsayin'

It doesn't matter if it's suspected that Jay made his offer in a fit of pique. He made an informed decision to let Aaron have his share of the money. Jay even reinforced this decision by changing the names.

It could be argued that Jay was doing this out of a sense of malicious manipulation to demean and diminish Aaron, it could even be said trhat this is also the same reason that Jay claims he will donate the money Aaron gives him, to charity. Those are just speculations. What is not speculation however; id that Aaron did agree to give Jay 20,000 and Jay did say he would give Aaron his 15,000 (despite 5,500 not belonging to him in any case). If honour is paramount, this applies to Jay, if it's demanded of Aaron

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by calyman

It doesn't matter if it's suspected that Jay made his offer in a fit of pique. He made an informed decision to let Aaron have his share of the money. Jay even reinforced this decision by changing the names.

It could be argued that Jay was doing this out of a sense of malicious manipulation to demean and diminish Aaron, it could even be said trhat this is also the same reason that Jay claims he will donate the money Aaron gives him, to charity. Those are just speculations.

What is not speculation however; id that Aaron did agree to give Jay 20,000 and Jay did say he would give Aaron his 15,000 (despite 5,500 not belonging to him in any case). If honour is paramount, this applies to Jay, if it's demanded of Aaron

Excellent summary and I agree with every word.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by calyman

It doesn't matter if it's suspected that Jay made his offer in a fit of pique. He made an informed decision to let Aaron have his share of the money. Jay even reinforced this decision by changing the names.

It could be argued that Jay was doing this out of a sense of malicious manipulation to demean and diminish Aaron, it could even be said trhat this is also the same reason that Jay claims he will donate the money Aaron gives him, to charity. Those are just speculations. What is not speculation however; id that Aaron did agree to give Jay 20,000 and Jay did say he would give Aaron his 15,000 (despite 5,500 not belonging to him in any case). If honour is paramount, this applies to Jay, if it's demanded of Aaron

I understand that but Aaron subsequently rejected his offer by moving his name back to it's original place. I'm no fan of Jay but the two scenarios are incomparable imo.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I understand that but Aaron subsequently rejected his offer by moving his name back to it's original place. I'm no fan of Jay but the two scenarios are incomparable imo.

Did Jay confirm to Aaron that he (Jay) no longer needed to give him his (Jay's) share...... Aaron placing the nameplate back doesn't confirm that Jay relinquished his previous insistence that Aaron be giving Jay's share?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Did Jay confirm to Aaron that he (Jay) no longer needed to give him his (Jay's) share...... Aaron placing the nameplate back doesn't confirm that Jay relinquished his previous insistence that Aaron be giving Jay's share?

If you offered me something and I said I don't want it, I wouldn't expect you to say "Fine I withdraw my offer"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If you offered me something and I said I don't want it, I wouldn't expect you to say "Fine I withdraw my offer"

That's you though. That doesn't make what you would do be regarded, as right - you would do is right, wrong or the only option.

We all have different views on how we regard this. We don't agree.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That's you though. That doesn't make what you would do be regarded, as right - you would do is right, wrong or the only option.

We all have different views on how we regard this. We don't agree.

So you think if someone offered you a car and you said no I don't want it, that they'd still be obliged to give it to you if you decided to change your mind? Really?

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I understand that but Aaron subsequently rejected his offer by moving his name back to it's original place. I'm no fan of Jay but the two scenarios are incomparable imo.

That's true, Aaron did do that but it does not release Jay from his responsibility. He does not need Aaron to make his decisions for him, after all he did not respect Aarons shared decision with him and Lou not to spend £500 each on Birthday gifts, rather he was duplicitious and went behind Aaron's back.. Perhaps Aaron may wish to donate the 15,000 (in his own name) to his chosen charity. Do you suppose Jay would agree to this?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by calyman

That's true, Aaron did do that but it does not release Jay from his responsibility. He does not need Aaron to make his decisions for him, after all he did not respect Aarons shared decision with him and Lou not to spend £500 each on Birthday gifts, rather he was duplicitious and went behind Aaron's back.. Perhaps Aaron may wish to donate the 15,000 (in his own name) to his chosen charity. Do you suppose Jay would agree to this?

Of course it releases him from his responsibility! (not that I even believe for a minute that he had any responsibility btw) But if I did believe that, if a someone offers you something and you say I don't want it, then there's where it ends imo.

[BBfan6418]

Originally Posted by calyman

It doesn't matter if it's suspected that Jay made his offer in a fit of pique. He made an informed decision to let Aaron have his share of the money. Jay even reinforced this decision by changing the names.

It could be argued that Jay was doing this out of a sense of malicious manipulation to demean and diminish Aaron, it could even be said trhat this is also the same reason that Jay claims he will donate the money Aaron gives him, to charity. Those are just speculations. What is not speculation however; id that Aaron did agree to give Jay 20,000 and Jay did say he would give Aaron his 15,000 (despite 5,500 not belonging to him in any case). If honour is paramount, this applies to Jay, if it's demanded of Aaron

Do you guys not watch the show? Why do you have to make stuff up? Jay never said he would give Aaron 15,000. He said "there he can have my money cause he is such a ****ing freak." anyone that watched the show knows at the point this was said Jay had only 9,500. Aaron was not in the room and never agreed to it. Furthermore Aaron took his name off the 15K and put it back on the 990. The deal Jay and Aaron had with the 50K was a solid agreement confirmed with a handshake. If you can't see the difference in this you need help. Also, not suprised pyramid agrees with you he/she has been spouting off non truth's for a while.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by BBfan6418

Do you guys not watch the show? Why do you have to make stuff up? Jay never said he would give Aaron 15,000. He said "there he can have my money cause he is such a ****ing freak." anyone that watched the show knows at the point this was said Jay had only 9,500. Aaron was not in the room and never agreed to it. Furthermore Aaron took his name off the 15K and put it back on the 990. The deal Jay and Aaron had with the 50K was a solid agreement confirmed with a handshake. If you can't see the difference in this you need help. Also, not suprised pyramid agrees with you he/she has been spouting off non truth's for a while.

Please read my earlier post to answer your objections.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by BBfan6418

Do you guys not watch the show? Why do you have to make stuff up? Jay never said he would give Aaron 15,000. He said "there he can have my money cause he is such a ****ing freak." anyone that watched the show knows at the point this was said Jay had only 9,500. Aaron was not in the room and never agreed to it. Furthermore Aaron took his name off the 15K and put it back on the 990. The deal Jay and Aaron had with the 50K was a solid agreement confirmed with a handshake. If you can't see the difference in this you need help. Also, not suprised pyramid agrees with you he/she has been spouting off non truth's for a while.

this 'guy' here writing this comment, watched the show. This 'guy' here can confirm that Jay also said during his rant, referring to the money: " I don't want it "