[CharlieO]

Put all men together in an army this is what you get. Men will always try to act like 'lads' in front of each other to impress. Though I am truly disgusted by this.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i didn't say it's not bad, I asked is it THAT bad...

Is it comparable to waterboarding live human beings? i think not.

Is it comparable to the Abuse of live prisoners in Abu Graib? i think not.

I'm just sayin it's not THAT bad.

I remember like 4 or 5 years ago there a video of a US marine throwing a dog off a cliff. Is this even as bad as that? i don't think so.

Compared to the other scandals in the "war on terrorism" it doesn't seem THAT bad to me.

It's wrong, but is it THAT wrong?

There are different degrees on wrongness, torture may be deemed necessary in order to obtain information that could save lives, note the word could, Sometimes it doesnt.

Abuse of live prisoners is as wrong as body desecration, creates the same results, hate from the people we need on our side.

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Put all men together in an army this is what you get. Men will always try to act like 'lads' in front of each other to impress. Though I am truly disgusted by this.

Sorry Charlie but thats garbage. Its not about acting the lad or being macho

Its caused by the elation of still being alive when rounds are flying and others are dying.

Its about the feelings after action of guilt and pure and utter happinesss not to be lying either dead or covered in your own blood and s**t.

During any sort of combat the adrenaline flows as do other hormones and chemicals.

Afterwards you come down fast, but you are still buzzing. Only problem is the normal inhibitions we impose have been loosened by the buzz and fear. You sit giggling, minor things are hilarious, you are floating in something called the joie de vivre - the ecstatic elation of being alive.

Dont think this posing thing is anything new, its happened during and after battles throughout history, only difference is nowadays the troops carry mobile phones with cameras or even hand held DV recorders.