[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

fgs it isn't a ******ing competition

dunno why yur telling me this. Try telling that to the person i was responding to. let's put things in perspective plzzzz.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

dunno why yur telling me this. Try telling that to the person i was responding to. let's put things in perspective plzzzz.

But every time someone says anything critical about America you insist on making these inane comparisons between the US and Europe to try and show that America is the lesser evil, or that other places are far worse, it's tedious

Yes maybe Jesus H Christ's comment was a bit provocative but he never said that America alone had committed atrocities, why can't we just accept that all countries have blood on their hands without getting overly defensive of the country to which we were born

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But every time someone says anything critical about America you insist on making these inane comparisons between the US and Europe to try and show that America is the lesser evil, or that other places are far worse, it's tedious

Yes maybe Jesus H Christ's comment was a bit provocative but he never said that America alone had committed atrocities, why can't we just accept that all countries have blood on their hands without getting overly defensive of the country to which we were born

Well i think you are ignoring the obvious then. If you don't think i'll respond to criticisim of America by pointing out the hypocrisy of it comming from a European, when Europe is the most violent continent on the planet, i'm sorry, but you arn't looking at things objectively.

How is it weird for me to respond to jibes about America by giving it back to Europe?? You don't understand that really??
What is confusing or unfair about that???

You think there should be a double standard?? Sorry, but i know history, and i'm not gonna let someone from Europe say that America is violent or imperialist, when Europe's history, especially Britains is FAR FAR worse. It's about acknowledging the truth. I'm not British, I'm American, and if you talk trash about America, i'm gonna educate you about the hypocrisy.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well i think you are ignoring the obvious then. If you don't think i'll respond to criticisim of America by pointing out the hypocrisy of it comming from a European, when Europe is the most violent continent on the planet, i'm sorry, but you arn't looking at things objectively.

How is it weird for me to respond to jibes about America by giving it back to Europe?? You don't understand that really??
What is confusing or unfair about that???

You think there should be a double standard??
Sorry, but i know history, and i'm not gonna let someone from Europe say that America is violent or imperialist, when Europe's history, especially Britains is FAR FAR worse. It's about acknowledging the truth. I'm not British, I'm American, and if you talk trash about America, i'm gonna educate you about the hypocrisy.

You're missing the point and this is the problem, the citizens of a country are not accountable for what their nation did in the past, nor are they representative of an entire country or continent. Of course European countries have committed atrocities but that doesn't mean Britons shouldn't be allowed to criticise American ones, it doesn't suddenly lose all it's weight.

Why do you view everything as a contest between Europeans and Americans, if someone points out an American atrocity it doesn't mean they are trying to get one over on Americans, and the same if an American criticised British colonialism. You say you know history but you're just reducing it down to a complete point scoring contest.

I'm happy to criticise the UK's history and it's state today, I've done so a lot on here, I'm also going to criticise America because it's futile to take the side of your own country by default. Like with Jesus, I also view my nationality as an accident and hold no loyalty to it which commits me to having to defend it

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You're missing the point and this is the problem, the citizens of a country are not accountable for what their nation did in the past, nor are they representative of an entire country or continent. Of course European countries have committed atrocities but that doesn't mean Britons shouldn't be allowed to criticise American ones, it doesn't suddenly lose all it's weight.

Why do you view everything as a contest between Europeans and Americans, if someone points out an American atrocity it doesn't mean they are trying to get one over on Americans, and the same if an American criticised British colonialism. You say you know history but you're just reducing it down to a complete point scoring contest.

I'm happy to criticise the UK's history and it's state today, I've done so a lot on here, I'm also going to criticise America because it's futile to take the side of your own country by default. Like with Jesus, I also view my nationality as an accident and hold no loyalty to it which commits me to having to defend it

I think you understand it.

It's like when someone has something nasty to say about your family. Now they may be saying the same things you've said to your own family members, but if someone outside the family says it, you will be defensive. The point is, it's none of your business, you are not American, you are European, you have plenty of problems in Europe, how DARE you have anything to say about America.

You saying something about my family, is not the same as me saying something nasty about my family. Why do Europeans think they have the RIGHT to have a comment? it's none of you're business.

You will not find a single comment on this forum where i criticized Europe without them saying something about America first.

I have no interest in giving my 2 cents into European business. But once you talk about ME and MINE, then the flood gates open. You wanna talk about America, then i have every right to start talking about Europe.

That's fair, imo.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think you understand it.

It's like when someone has something nasty to say about your family. Now they may be saying the same things you've said to your own family members, but if someone outside the family says it, you will be defensive. The point is, it's none of your business, you are not American, you are European, you have plenty of problems in Europe, how DARE you have anything to say about America.

You saying something about my family, is not the same as me saying something nasty about my family. Why do Europeans think they have the RIGHT to have a comment? it's none of you're business.

You will not find a single comment on this forum where i criticized Europe without them saying something about America first.

I have no interest in giving my 2 cents into European business. But once you talk about ME and MINE, then the flood gates open. You wanna talk about America, then i have every right to start talking about Europe.

That's fair, imo.

Well that's the crux of the matter, you consider your country a "family" who you should defend no matter what, rightly or wrongly. I don't see it that way, and that kind of thinking is why I'm don't really like patriotism in general, we shouldn't be reluctant to criticise our own country because our nationality is only decided by chance.

And I know you only talk about Europe when people talk about America but that's the problem, it means people can't criticise the US without things turning into some kind of a contest on here. I wouldn't mind if someone actually said something like "Europe is perfect while America is a hellhole" but nobody really does think like that.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that's the crux of the matter, you consider your country a "family" who you should defend no matter what, rightly or wrongly. I don't see it that way, and that kind of thinking is why I'm don't really like patriotism in general, we shouldn't be reluctant to criticise our own country because our nationality is only decided by chance.

And I know you only talk about Europe when people talk about America but that's the problem, it means people can't criticise the US without things turning into some kind of a contest on here. I wouldn't mind if someone actually said something like "Europe is perfect while America is a hellhole" but nobody really does think like that.

So then why are you so offended when i give it back if you arn't defensive about your country and continent??

Originally Posted by lostalex

compared to what? compared to the wars for land in europe? you must be joking. North America has nothing to be ashamed of compared to the other continents. North America is the least violent continent in history except for Antartica and Australia(which really isn't a true continent)

South America, Europe, Africa, and Asia have been far worse than anything that's happened in North America.

I have no problems admitting that England have acted appallingly towards most other countries in the world, at some point or other. That really is a bizarre answer you've provided. I really can't put into words the disgust with which I review our history. Of course, I am fortunate in one regard, that being that I have no patriotic thoughts in my head. I view the country of my birth as nothing more than an accident of my family tree. I have no loyalty to "england" as a whole, only to my friends and family, regardless of where they happen to reside or were born on this planet.

Originally Posted by lostalex

dunno why yur telling me this. Try telling that to the person i was responding to. let's put things in perspective plzzzz.

You're the one that who brought native Americans into this thread. I merely informed you that you were on shaky ground by doing so, which is historically accurate.