[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You're missing the point and this is the problem, the citizens of a country are not accountable for what their nation did in the past, nor are they representative of an entire country or continent. Of course European countries have committed atrocities but that doesn't mean Britons shouldn't be allowed to criticise American ones, it doesn't suddenly lose all it's weight.

Why do you view everything as a contest between Europeans and Americans, if someone points out an American atrocity it doesn't mean they are trying to get one over on Americans, and the same if an American criticised British colonialism. You say you know history but you're just reducing it down to a complete point scoring contest.

I'm happy to criticise the UK's history and it's state today, I've done so a lot on here, I'm also going to criticise America because it's futile to take the side of your own country by default. Like with Jesus, I also view my nationality as an accident and hold no loyalty to it which commits me to having to defend it

I think you understand it.

It's like when someone has something nasty to say about your family. Now they may be saying the same things you've said to your own family members, but if someone outside the family says it, you will be defensive. The point is, it's none of your business, you are not American, you are European, you have plenty of problems in Europe, how DARE you have anything to say about America.

You saying something about my family, is not the same as me saying something nasty about my family. Why do Europeans think they have the RIGHT to have a comment? it's none of you're business.

You will not find a single comment on this forum where i criticized Europe without them saying something about America first.

I have no interest in giving my 2 cents into European business. But once you talk about ME and MINE, then the flood gates open. You wanna talk about America, then i have every right to start talking about Europe.

That's fair, imo.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think you understand it.

It's like when someone has something nasty to say about your family. Now they may be saying the same things you've said to your own family members, but if someone outside the family says it, you will be defensive. The point is, it's none of your business, you are not American, you are European, you have plenty of problems in Europe, how DARE you have anything to say about America.

You saying something about my family, is not the same as me saying something nasty about my family. Why do Europeans think they have the RIGHT to have a comment? it's none of you're business.

You will not find a single comment on this forum where i criticized Europe without them saying something about America first.

I have no interest in giving my 2 cents into European business. But once you talk about ME and MINE, then the flood gates open. You wanna talk about America, then i have every right to start talking about Europe.

That's fair, imo.

Well that's the crux of the matter, you consider your country a "family" who you should defend no matter what, rightly or wrongly. I don't see it that way, and that kind of thinking is why I'm don't really like patriotism in general, we shouldn't be reluctant to criticise our own country because our nationality is only decided by chance.

And I know you only talk about Europe when people talk about America but that's the problem, it means people can't criticise the US without things turning into some kind of a contest on here. I wouldn't mind if someone actually said something like "Europe is perfect while America is a hellhole" but nobody really does think like that.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that's the crux of the matter, you consider your country a "family" who you should defend no matter what, rightly or wrongly. I don't see it that way, and that kind of thinking is why I'm don't really like patriotism in general, we shouldn't be reluctant to criticise our own country because our nationality is only decided by chance.

And I know you only talk about Europe when people talk about America but that's the problem, it means people can't criticise the US without things turning into some kind of a contest on here. I wouldn't mind if someone actually said something like "Europe is perfect while America is a hellhole" but nobody really does think like that.

So then why are you so offended when i give it back if you arn't defensive about your country and continent??

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So then why are you so offended when i give it back if you arn't defensive about your country and continent??

Because it derails threads and takes them off-topic, turning things into just plain mud slinging and Britain v America contests

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Because it derails threads and takes them off-topic, turning things into just plain mud slinging and Britain v America contests

So why arn't you giving tit to the people that try to use America as a scapegoat, instead you are focusing on me. You're making no sense. If someone brings America into the conversation, then i ave every right to respond to them. I'm not the one that brings America into the conversations. As an American though, i do have a responsibility to educate ignorant people about America, if they want to talk lies about my country.

Originally Posted by lostalex

So why arn't you giving tit to the people that try to use America as a scapegoat, instead you are focusing on me. You're making no sense. If someone brings America into the conversation, then i ave every right to respond to them. I'm not the one that brings America into the conversations. As an American though, i do have a responsibility to educate ignorant people about America, if they want to talk lies about my country.

Can you identify the lies, please?

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by lostalex

foreign invaders? there were no US troops in Afghanistan before 9/11, so wtf are you talking about?? In fact, we actually gave them HELP when the RUSSIANS were invading them, and look what we got for helping them. No good deed goes unpunished.

Because every single Taliban fighter joined before 9/11 did they? Recruitment has never been so high since the war started

Originally Posted by lostalex

So why arn't you giving tit to the people that try to use America as a scapegoat, instead you are focusing on me. You're making no sense. If someone brings America into the conversation, then i ave every right to respond to them. I'm not the one that brings America into the conversations. As an American though, i do have a responsibility to educate ignorant people about America, if they want to talk lies about my country.

If someone randomly went into a thread and said "America's such a ****hole, Britain is amazing" then yeah but if someone says something about America when it's relevant to the thread or discussion then there's no need to jump in and turn it into a contest by trying to prove the UK/Europe is worse

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Because every single Taliban fighter joined before 9/11 did they? Recruitment has never been so high since the war started



If someone randomly went into a thread and said "America's such a ****hole, Britain is amazing" then yeah but if someone says something about America when it's relevant to the thread or discussion then there's no need to jump in and turn it into a contest by trying to prove the UK/Europe is worse

i have never attacked Britain, i've simply put things into perspective. If i hated Britain and British people then i would be trolling,. and i don't troll. I never start any conversation or post being negative about the UK, ever. If you can prove me wrong please quote any post i've made where i was negative about the UK without provocation.