[Kizzy]

See point proven, they make sicko films and suddenly there are no boundries, nothing is beyond exploiting for so called 'entertainment'

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kizzy

See point proven, they make sicko films and suddenly there are no boundries, nothing is beyond exploiting for so called 'entertainment'

Why should movies be held to a higher standard than real life?

As long as HUMANS are sicko's then there will be sick movies. Maybe you should worry about sick humans instead of censoring movies.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

See point proven, they make sicko films and suddenly there are no boundries, nothing is beyond exploiting for so called 'entertainment'

I agree, shock movies are just becoming too....weird

[lostalex]

Kizzy has 1/4 of my post count in just 3 months... that's scary.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Why should movies be held to a higher standard than real life?

As long as HUMANS are sicko's then there will be sick movies. Maybe you should worry about sick humans instead of censoring movies.

What are you suggesting? the films are made for sickos? .....by sickos?...what?
My worry is that sickos feed off this stuff and may even inspire some sickos to act on their urges?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kizzy

What are you suggesting? the films are made for sickos? .....by sickos?...what?
My worry is that sickos feed off this stuff and may even inspire some sickos to act on their urges?

umm, no, my suggestion was exactly what i SAID, that you should spend less time worrying about movies, and more time worrying about actual sicko's that kill and rape.

i'm pretty sure that no one was actually killed or raped in the making of these films, so why are you worrying about the films instead of the real thing?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i dont agree that these films 'inspire' people to do stuff like that at all

thats the same as saying people that play violent video games are likely to go out on a killing spree

like i said though i think a serbian film was a new low and i dont see how they could top that tbh but no doubt somebody will try

having said that i did find some bits of ASF hilarious like when he stuck his erection into that guys eye socket to kill him

Originally Posted by kizzy

What are you suggesting? the films are made for sickos? .....by sickos?...what?
My worry is that sickos feed off this stuff and may even inspire some sickos to act on their urges?

There will always be people that commit atrocious acts, as there have been throughout history. I'm sure jack the ripper wasn't playing "horsecarriage theft auto", before deciding to go on a prostitute killing spree.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Kizzy has 1/4 of my post count in just 3 months... that's scary.

Is it why is that then?.....Can noone debate a point without getting personal?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I haven't watched any of them (tbh just reading the idea of it made me feel sick for days) but from what I heard the second was far worse and much more on the torture porn road than the first, It was even banned in the UK (I think it was unbanned later though after removing some particularly bad scenes

I seem to recall they had to make 40+ cuts to the film in order for it to be released.

[Tom4784]

The whole idea that a film or a game can influence a person to commit violent acts is just a scare tactic that politicians use to score votes. I personally detest anyone who gives those ideas weight since it turns films/games into a scapegoat. 'It's not Jimmy's fault he stole a car, he saw it on GTA first.' It does nothing but take away responsibility from the wrongdoer.

If someone goes out to commit a violent act, it's their choice to do so. Games and films can't influence or force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

There will always be people that commit atrocious acts, as there have been throughout history. I'm sure jack the ripper wasn't playing "horsecarriage theft auto", before deciding to go on a prostitute killing spree.

Im aware of that, however its not just my view and im not saying im right but I still feel it could be a contributory factor.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cele...ife-crime.html

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I seem to recall they had to make 40+ cuts to the film in order for it to be released.

Wow, was it that many? Surprised they had anything left after that!

Originally Posted by kizzy

Im aware of that, however its not just my view and im not saying im right but I still feel it could be a contributory factor.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cele...ife-crime.html

Yeah I appreciate the point you're just trying to get across, I just happen to disagree with it. History shows us that these people have always existed, and the increased media today just brings it in to the public eye.

For example, I don't personally believe we have more paedophiles now than ever before in history, but if you read/watch the news, then every other person is trying to rape children.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The whole idea that a film or a game can influence a person to commit violent acts is just a scare tactic that politicians use to score votes. I personally detest anyone who gives those ideas weight since it turns films/games into a scapegoat. 'It's not Jimmy's fault he stole a car, he saw it on GTA first.' It does nothing but take away responsibility from the wrongdoer.

If someone goes out to commit a violent act, it's their choice to do so. Games and films can't influence or force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

I think it can be a factor, if the person isolates themselves from the real world and the games or films become almost a reality for them. If that happens with kids/teens, then that is ultimately the parents fault imo

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The whole idea that a film or a game can influence a person to commit violent acts is just a scare tactic that politicians use to score votes. I personally detest anyone who gives those ideas weight since it turns films/games into a scapegoat. 'It's not Jimmy's fault he stole a car, he saw it on GTA first.' It does nothing but take away responsibility from the wrongdoer.

If someone goes out to commit a violent act, it's their choice to do so. Games and films can't influence or force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

You 'personally detest' them do you? thats nice then...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think it can be a factor, if the person isolates themselves from the real world and the games or films become almost a reality for them. If that happens with kids/teens, then that is ultimately the parents fault imo

If people are going to go out and commit heinous crimes then the potential for them to do so existed within them long before they played Call of Duty.

It's a point I'm not going to budge on, I just think by even entertaining the idea we're vindicating criminals. Blaming games and films is an excellent way of avoiding the problem at hand.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Is it why is that then?.....Can noone debate a point without getting personal?

i'm not getting personal, i;m just saying, it's freaky that you have such a monster post count, when it seems like just yesterday you were introducing yourself to the forum. It's a bit imposing. You certainly have taken the bull by the horns...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kizzy

You 'personally detest' them do you? thats nice then...

Well done, you've avoided the crux of my post to focus on two words. Excellent work.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If people are going to go out and commit heinous crimes then the potential for them to do so existed within them long before they played Call of Duty.

It's a point I'm not going to budge on, I just think by even entertaining the idea we're vindicating criminals. Blaming games and films is an excellent way of avoiding the problem at hand.

No, I do agree with you, I think certain games or films can give people ideas on how to do some things but I think that these people would have committed crimes anyway.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well done, you've avoided the crux of my post to focus on two words. Excellent work.

Thanks, but if you have already decided to detest anyone who supports that view there did not seem to be any point discussing it.
Im not suggesting for a second that it should be a bleeding heart 'little johnnie was Made to do it by a film' excuse for theft/violence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i'm not getting personal, i;m just saying, it's freaky that you have such a monster post count, when it seems like just yesterday you were introducing yourself to the forum. It's a bit imposing. You certainly have taken the bull by the horns...

Imposing? im not imposing im a pussy cat I like to get my point across, it is easy for opinions to be misconstrued so its best to be direct.

Originally Posted by kizzy

Thanks, but if you have already decided to detest anyone who supports that view there did not seem to be any point discussing it.
Im not suggesting for a second that it should be a bleeding heart 'little johnnie was Made to do it by a film' excuse for theft/violence.

Kizzy, if you offer forthright views (as you do), and you stand by them (which you rightly do), then you have to back them up sometimes, as we all do (trust me, I know).

Maybe you could stop rushing to be continually offended by any criticism, and continue the discussions? This isn't a personal attack, it's advice from someone who also has forthright views and puts them out there.

[Kizzy]

I do jeebs! i am constantly backing up my views with relevant and reliable information from appropriate sources...What else can i do

Originally Posted by kizzy

I do jeebs! i am constantly backing up my views with relevant and reliable information from appropriate sources...What else can i do

Well for example, I think Dezzy was simply using a turn of phrase that she didn't mean exactly as it was written down, and you did sort of just reduce her argument down and end all discussion.

*Although, I don't know Dezzy (and have never had a conversation with her), and she may well have meant that she literally "detests" those people, but I somehow doubt it.

* No Dezzys or Kizzys were harmed in the writing of this post.