[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A big round of applause for old Gordon returning from the grave to save the No campaign and crush Salmond's hopes and dreams

Why don't we like him again.... I can't remember?

[Ramsay]

Fix, i'm calling ofcom

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Fix, i'm calling ofcom

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I hope Cameron doesn't back down on his promise of more autonomy for Scotland then.

Completely agree...

[Calderyon]

If he has promised that to Scotland, i hope he keeps it for their sake, but somehow i doubt it and everything will go on they way it was before. He is a politician after all.

And you can´t trust politicians really...

[Kizzy]

Or at all... It should be illegal to not implement policies when elected, it's always been a bugbear of mine that.

[Calderyon]

^ That really should happen, cause the one thing that politicians do best is betraying the most or all of the promises they have made to their voters.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Or at all... It should be illegal to not implement policies when elected, it's always been a bugbear of mine that.

It should actually. If people vote for you because of what you say you're going to do, it should be classed as false advertising or something if they don't follow through once they get into power.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A big round of applause for old Gordon returning from the grave to save the No campaign and crush Salmond's hopes and dreams

Gordon done great for the No campaign tbf, his last speech was one of if not the most passionate speech of the entire debate IMO.

[cheeky_monkey]

Yay

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have no doubt Helen is somehow involved

[Kyle]

Reight then Niamh, now that Scotland's done and dusted you fancy a vote to come back into the loving embrace of your Anglo Saxon cousins?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Reight then Niamh, now that Scotland's done and dusted you fancy a vote to come back into the loving embrace of your Anglo Saxon cousins?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Whatever you feel about the result, the things everyone should be most proud of is the amazing turnout and that this referendum was a victory for democracy that allowed people to have their say on such an important issue, with mostly passionate debate, not bombs and weapons, there arent many countries in the world where this would have happened.

Definately, it's amazing that so many people turned out to vote.

[MTVN]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

Gordon done great for the No campaign tbf, his last speech was one of if not the most passionate speech of the entire debate IMO.

It was really impressive, for me that again turned the tide I would say for the result that came about.

Without his intervention,I am not that sure that the vote would have gone for 'no'.

He deserves great credit for his efforts and he looked the solid Statesman too.

[Scarlett.]

I've always thought Gordon got the short end of the stick as Prime Minister, Tony Blair knew the recession was incoming, so he pressed the eject button, so he could go a fiddle around in Middle Eastern politics. Gordon had to deal with all the crap Tony left ticking down. I remember his speech when he lost the election in 2010, he looked relieved that he could finally go back to doing normal politics.

[Brother Leon]

Now for the twist of the century, England should go independant and leave everyone ****ed

[Z]

I cannot STAND this "fear won over hope" ****e I've been reading everywhere. I'm just going to share what I posted on Facebook this morning in this thread.

spent all of yesterday slagging off everyone who felt the need to get on a podium and give their opinion prior to the referendum result as if they had anything new or especially insightful to say and I'm now reading plenty more post-referendum statuses today. The thing that strikes me is there is a lot of "I'm stunned people would choose x (hypothetical bad thing) over y (hypothetical good thing)" as if these were choices we were voting for yesterday. The question was a simple yes or no, not a list of x versus y scenarios where you picked the one that matches your personality best and you can share the results of the quiz on Facebook. Nobody has died for their human rights in this SNP-driven bid for freedom. Nobody has had their views silenced, their families arrested, their homes destroyed. This campaign was not grassroots, it was not the will of the people being spearheaded by a popular leader - it was a group of politicians trying to convince the people of Scotland that they wanted something they'd no real reason to consider previously, like door to door salesmen trying to sell vacuum cleaners to housewives. They gave it a fair crack and they exposed many of the flaws that are present in the United Kingdom; but they didn't show us anything that we didn't already know. They didn't provide us with anything positive to cling onto, because they couldn't. They could only offer promises and criticisms. That's the problem with trying to start a revolution in a place where the quality of life is far better than everywhere else in the world; there's nowhere else in the world for us to aspire to become like to spur us into wanting change. We are at the top of the pile, all we can really want is small changes here and there, there is no place for a gigantic, monumental shift in power or lifestyle if it doesn't reflect the people. We are not Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania in 1991. We are not Palestine or Syria or Iraq or Ukraine in 2014. This is not my opinion, these are merely factual observations that explain why the yes campaign didn't triumph in the end - but they gave it their best shot and as with all things political; there will be changed that we like and dislike and it doesn't really matter which union we belong to, that will always happen. Now I'm annoyed that I've joined in. Bye.

I voted yes, by the way.

[Kyle]

Good post Z, hope you don't get unnecessary stick for that.

[MTVN]

Yeah I don't think it's accurate or fair to equate the No vote with one for 'fear' and make out the Scots are a persecuted country who when it came to it were too scared to anger their Westminster overlords. People simply made a reasonable and informed decision that the relationship with the Union was good enough that it was worth preserving, not worth sacrificing for the minefield of independence which could have sent the country hurtling into a pit of no return.

The Union has been a massive success story since its formation and none of us in any of its countries would have had the same benefits we have today if it had never existed, and all the countries have played a massive part in building it. It's very rare for a country to be offered independence and decline it, I don't know if it's ever happened apart from Quebec who also narrowly rejected independence from Canada. I don't think the majority who voted No were misled or motivated by fear, it's a bit patronising and insulting to say they were.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Whatever you feel about the result, the things everyone should be most proud of is the amazing turnout and that this referendum was a victory for democracy that allowed people to have their say on such an important issue, with mostly passionate debate, not bombs and weapons, there arent many countries in the world where this would have happened.

Totally agree Josy.
It now opens the doors for all possibilities as well.
England having its own vote on English matters would be a great step forward.
Scotland, followed by Wales and Northern Ireland will have more power to run their own countries as well, all good.

[Braden]

Feel sorry for everybody who was so passionate about voting yes, but selfishly I'm happy Scotland hasn't gone independent.

The whole thing is one for the record books though.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Totally agree Josy.
It now opens the doors for all possibilities as well.
England having its own vote on English matters would be a great step forward.
Scotland, followed by Wales and Northern Ireland will have more power to run their own countries as well, all good.

I think England needs reigonal parliaments, the population is too big to only have the one.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think England needs reigonal parliaments, the population is too big to only have the one.

Something should be done, I agree, not sure about separate parliaments, the regional areas should get much more representation.
A lot of people up North thnk they are in a different country to London.
If we all got the same money per head spent on us would be a fantastic start.