[Livia]

Don't get drunk. Take care of your own safety... then you don't have to feel bad and change your mind in the morning when it all swims into terrible clarity.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't get drunk. Take care of your own safety... then you don't have to feel bad and change your mind in the morning when it all swims into terrible clarity.

Or better yet, don't prey on people when they're not able to take care of their own safety. A far more compassionate and sane argument.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niall

Or better yet, don't prey on people when they're not able to take care of their own safety. A far more compassionate and sane argument.

Or to clarify... don't rape anyone.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niall

Or better yet, don't prey on people when they're not able to take care of their own safety. A far more compassionate and sane argument.

My argument is sane. Don't get so pissed you can't take care of yourself.

I am totally sympathetic to women who are raped. It's an appalling crime. But sometimes women do make false allegations, sometimes a small fraction of women who report a rape lie, sometimes they can't remember and sometimes they have regrets when they sober up. And sympathy fades when you hear she'd already tried to press charges against some rugby players for the same thing previously.

So... while I'm sympathetic to women (and men for that matter) who are subjected to rape, you do have to take care of your own safety and not put yourself in harms way. I am also sympathetic also to people who get knocked down by cars. But if they're walking up the motorway pissed... not so much.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

My argument is sane. Don't get so pissed you can't take care of yourself.

I am totally sympathetic to women who are raped. It's an appalling crime. But sometimes women do make false allegations, sometimes a small fraction of women who report a rape lie, sometimes they can't remember and sometimes they have regrets when they sober up. And sympathy fades when you hear she'd already tried to press charges against some rugby players for the same thing previously.

So... while I'm sympathetic to women (and men for that matter) who are subjected to rape, you do have to take care of your own safety and not put yourself in harms way. I am also sympathetic also to people who get knocked down by cars. But if they're walking up the motorway pissed... not so much.

100% correct. dont lie about it, dont get so drunk you dont even know what youre doing.....even after the event some people are so drunk they cant even remember what happened let alone if they had sex with consent. personal responsibility is key as is telling the truth. anyone who makes totally falsified accusations simply must go to prison. The damage these lies do is immeasurable. of course we all want bad people and criminals punished. but in addition to rapists , killers and violent criminals, perjury and false accusation is also a major criminal offence. Fortunately some false accusers have gone to prison but the radical man hating feminists wouldnt accept such punishment should happen.....


heres a tale for your perusal.....I wonder how many lives , how much tax payers money this false accuser wasted with all the lies

https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/201...inist-support/


Jailed false accuser draws feminist support
Posted on June 27, 2014 by Toysoldier Rhiannon Brooker accused her former boyfriend of rape and assault. Her accusations against Paul Fensome landed the man in jail for 37 days. While imprisoned, someone claimed that he was a pedophile and he had to be placed in protective custody.

However, the evidence showed that Brooker’s accusations were false:

Alibis, evidence from Fensome’s phone and his work shift patterns undermined Brooker’s accounts. Injuries were judged to have been self-inflicted and the police dropped their investigations into Fensome and turned their attention on Brooker.

Brooker initially told police she had made false accusations. But when she was charged with perverting the course of justice she retracted her confession. She was found guilty of 12 offences relating to false allegations of five rapes, six assaults and one false imprisonment.

The judge sentenced Brooker to three and a half years, which prompted outrage from feminists:

The support and campaign group Women Against Rape (WAR) was among more than a dozen organisations and lawyers who wrote to the judge arguing that a harsh sentence would put women off coming forward to report rapes for fear they would not be believed.

They wrote: “The prosecution was not in the public interest. A prison sentence will put even more women off reporting, enabling even more attacks from violent men. The resources spent on prosecuting Ms Brooker should have been put into prosecuting rapists and other violent men

[Ammi]

..surely there is no question that he raped her...the same as someone is innocent until proven guilty, once proven guilty then that's what they are in the eyes of the law and there is no questioning of that..?...I mean, whether violent rape or not..rape is rape and a violation of another person and the courts must have been convinced of his guilt as the other guy was found innocent...it's more whether he should be allowed to play football professionally again and that really is up to whether a team are prepared for that to happen..?...

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..surely there is no question that he raped her...the same as someone is innocent until proven guilty, once proven guilty then that's what they are in the eyes of the law and there is no questioning of that..?...I mean, whether violent rape or not..rape is rape and a violation of another person and the courts must have been convinced of his guilt as the other guy was found innocent...it's more whether he should be allowed to play football professionally again and that really is up to whether a team are prepared for that to happen..?...

Well if you look at the transcripts from the trial not everyone is convinced he is guilty of rape.

Courts, Judges and Juries are not infallibe and mistakes very occasionally do happen.

So maybe Mr Evans and his family and legal team do think his conviction is unsafe and that certain evidence was not made available to the court or the jury.

Maybe that is why he cannot admit guilt.. Maybe there is more to this story than just the question of whether a convicted rapist should play football again.




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[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Nedusa;7448599]Well if you look at the transcripts from the trial not everyone is convinced he is guilty of rape.

Courts, Judges and Juries are not infallibe and mistakes very occasionally do happen.

So maybe Mr Evans and his family and legal team do think his conviction is unsafe and that certain evidence was not made available to the court or the jury.

Maybe that is why he cannot admit guilt.. Maybe there is more to this story than just the question of whether a convicted rapist should play football again.



I have to agree here.

He is convinced and states he didn't commit the crime, there is enough 'uncertainty' as to that to warrant it being looked into again.

So really, since he is still protesting the conviction, why on earth would he then admit to and say sorry for commitiing the crime.
That would not make sense and if the case once it is looked at again comes back saying he was wrongly convicted in the first place, then there is going to be a lot of egg on faces.

He could say he was sorry for any distress for this action but that he misread the signals or whatever.

I do agree with Kizzy that the lady has the right to choose who she does anything with but it does seem very odd and suspicious to me that she would willingly go into a room with one or more men in it and carry out any acts at all with any of them in front of the other/s.

I am against rape totally but I have seen friends wrongly accused of same by jealous ex girlfriends and others trying to destroy peoples lives and/or careers.

What disturbs me here however is, this witchhunt going on hysterically against him on social media and others out to block him ever likely working in football again.
Football is riddled with players doing wrong,if he is playing football he is playing it with other men,hardly likely to re-offend there.
I find it worrying that now he has been deemed to be released that such things are allowed to take place.

He is at present convicted of rape, he has been to prison, he is now out and has to report at times due to the sexual nature of the conviction.
That doesn't mean he will do it again,after all this hoo ha he would be crazy to even put himself in a situation where he could be even be suspected of it.
It is a very worrying thing that if someone has been punished by the law and then deemed with conditions to be safe to be released,that he can be hounded like this and also any clubs that may even want to try to give him another chance get threatened and hounded too.
That is what I find distasteful.

Rape is a horrific crime,anyone guilty of it, male or female should be punished by the law.
This further vindictive hounding of an individual however after satisfying the punishment meted out in law, isn't the way forward.
I say again, if it is found he was wrongly convicted in the first place then all these sorry goings on will be blight on justice for a fair while to come.

So I would give him the chance to play again or be involved with football if I owned a club, I would have him watched like a hawk to protect the club and hope the case being looked at again comes with that he was wrongly convicted in the first place.
To be honest, I myself actually have a feeling that is probably going to be the outcome of that looking into this conviction again too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He could sign for Rape Rovers in Scotland