[Kizzy]

That's a really odd analogy, if you are drunk on the road you are not deliberately targeted by drivers are you?... You would have to take liability but it would still be an accident.
Nobody is raped by accident.
People do get drunk all the time, it's their choice, just as it's a choice to decide if your partner is consenting or not.... if that is a gray area don't have sex with them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's a really odd analogy, if you are drunk on the road you are not deliberately targeted by drivers are you?... You would have to take liability but it would still be an accident.
Nobody is raped by accident.
People do get drunk all the time, it's their choice, just as it's a choice to decide if your partner is consenting or not.... if that is a gray area don't have sex with them.

What if the person who rapes is drunk? Or under the influence of some kind of drug? Is it okay for women to be irresponsible and out of control, but not men? It's okay for women to be drunk enough to be taken advantage of, but men must be exemplary and sober enough always to make the right decision? When people drink their judgement is impaired - both men and women.

And it's a good analogy. It's about deliberately putting yourself in harms way by getting so drunk you can't make good decisions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

What if the person who rapes is drunk? Or under the influence of some kind of drug? Is it okay for women to be irresponsible and out of control, but not men? It's okay for women to be drunk enough to be taken advantage of, but men must be exemplary and sober enough always to make the right decision? When people drink their judgement is impaired - both men and women.

And it's a good analogy. It's about deliberately putting yourself in harms way by getting so drunk you can't make good decisions.

I'm sorry but you know in law if your penis works you can't be classed as 'out of control'
Unless you pass out and your penis goes looking for a vagina you know what you're doing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm sorry but you know in law if your penis works you can't be classed as 'out of control'
Unless you pass out and your penis goes looking for a vagina you know what you're doing.

LOL... This is almost Zen level wrong.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL... This is almost Zen level wrong.

Could you explain your reasoning then please livia?
If a man is capable of acheiving an erection whilst drunk can he truly be that 'out of control'? If so then why is this not used as defence in rape cases?
' It wasn't my fault I was drunk and out of control when I raped that woman' It just wouldn't wash.

'When he came to pass sentence the judge said: ".... [the complainant] was in no position to form a capacity to consent to sexual intercourse, and you, when you arrived, must have realised that."

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-...-chedwyn-evans