[MTVN]

Don't agree with Brand at all that Hopkins is espousing established policy. He doesn't even say what he mean by that in fact he just starts comparing her to Himmler. It might be valid to compare her rhetoric with that of the Nazis but the Nazis aren't exactly established policy anymore are they. Our politicians are actually all united in the need to do more to tackle this problem, most of them in favour of a European wide or a worldwide solution. It's an incredibly complicated issue though and there is no simple remedy however much Brand thinks we can solve all the worlds problems by making "individual transitions" to "find your own humanity". Him making out that her views are representative of mainstream society and established policy, rather than purely representing Hopkins insatiable need to satisfy her own ego with media converage, is just as stupid as her being allowed a column in the most popular national newspaper.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't agree with Brand at all that Hopkins is espousing established policy. He doesn't even say what he mean by that in fact he just starts comparing her to Himmler. It might be valid to compare her rhetoric with that of the Nazis but the Nazis aren't exactly established policy anymore are they. Our politicians are actually all united in the need to do more to tackle this problem, most of them in favour of a European wide or a worldwide solution. It's an incredibly complicated issue though and there is no simple remedy however much Brand thinks we can solve all the worlds problems by making "individual transitions" to "find your own humanity".

He is joking


I used the N word
against a statement /member
and got a infraction - I am not Fighting That


So good job Brand is not on here
as he would not last long

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do think he has Katie Hopkins spot on really. She is a tormented individual in pain and she feels the need to lash out with that pain at other people... and it's policy and the horrible opinions of other people that gives her targets. It just happens to have made her a lot of money. If any evidence is needed of this, just rewatch her in CBB. The woman has to fight back tears if anyone says anything even passably nice about her. That is really not normal...

I actually didn't believe that at all. To me it seemed very much part of her act

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't agree with Brand at all that Hopkins is espousing established policy. He doesn't even say what he mean by that in fact he just starts comparing her to Himmler. It might be valid to compare her rhetoric with that of the Nazis but the Nazis aren't exactly established policy anymore are they. Our politicians are actually all united in the need to do more to tackle this problem, most of them in favour of a European wide or a worldwide solution. It's an incredibly complicated issue though and there is no simple remedy however much Brand thinks we can solve all the worlds problems by making "individual transitions" to "find your own humanity". Him making out that her views are representative of mainstream society and established policy, rather than purely representing Hopkins insatiable need to satisfy her own ego with media converage, is just as stupid as her being allowed a column in the most popular national newspaper.

She does seem to have alot of people who agree with her though which is very worrying imo

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just love Russell, i agree with almost everything he says, could listen to him all day long. Spot on again in that video

Yeah, hes a bit of a tit, but his politics stuff is completely spot on. Hes apparently got a film coming out where hes basically harassing the tax avoiding people. I will be watching

All of his profits from his last book went into setting up a soup kitchen/restaurant type thing where he employs loads of people who wouldnt get work otherwise (homeless, ex addicts and such). I saw it on the jonathon ross show a while back....his reasoning was whats the point in a rich person just getting richer (on about himself) because of the book...so thats why he did it. I just love him. We could do with more people like him about tbh.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course you think it was fairly edited Kirk, the new edit cut off giving you the last word!

Although I actually thought the original point where it closed was quite unfair... I actually considered PMing to say as much being honest. I have no problem calling people out with what I think of their opinions, but not if they don't have the opportunity to reply at all... that just sux.

In other words, in my opinion, the thread should either have stayed open in the first place OR it should have been cropped right back to the first page. But then, I'm not a mod... just a big fat thread derailerer

This may be so TS but it is the first time. Usually the threads have been closed and MY post removed so I don't have the last word.

Karma, dear friend, Karma.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

He is joking


I used the N word
against a statement /member
and got a infraction - I am not Fighting That


So good job Brand is not on here
as he would not last long

You did what!!??

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She does seem to have alot of people who agree with her though which is very worrying imo

I'd say people who agree with her are negligible compared to the huge number of people who find her an awful human being though. I can't see that petition to 'let her have freedom of speech' will get near the 270,000 that have called for her removal from the Sun

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, hes a bit of a tit, but his politics stuff is completely spot on. Hes apparently got a film coming out where hes basically harassing the tax avoiding people. I will be watching

All of his profits from his last book went into setting up a soup kitchen/restaurant type thing where he employs loads of people who wouldnt get work otherwise (homeless, ex addicts and such). I saw it on the jonathon ross show a while back....his reasoning was whats the point in a rich person just getting richer (on about himself) because of the book...so thats why he did it. I just love him. We could do with more people like him about tbh.

I did not like him at all - especially his abhorrent stunt with poor 'Manuel' - but I have warmed to him now because I now think that he is sincere and that's what matters to me. He's not doing all this 'Crusading' to boost his own popularity and hence 'Marquee Value'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You did what!!??

Nazi being the N word in question

I'd say people who agree with her are negligible compared to the huge number of people who find her an awful human being though. I can't see that petition to 'let her have freedom of speech' will get near the 270,000 that have called for her removal from the Sun

Well, i do hope so

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, hes a bit of a tit, but his politics stuff is completely spot on. Hes apparently got a film coming out where hes basically harassing the tax avoiding people. I will be watching

All of his profits from his last book went into setting up a soup kitchen/restaurant type thing where he employs loads of people who wouldnt get work otherwise (homeless, ex addicts and such). I saw it on the jonathon ross show a while back....his reasoning was whats the point in a rich person just getting richer (on about himself) because of the book...so thats why he did it. I just love him. We could do with more people like him about tbh.

Oh yeah I saw that interview as well, can't wait to see the film as well.

[user104658]

PMSL at the confusion with arista dropping an N-bomb .

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think there is a petition now for KH to keep her job and be allowed her freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

[Vanessa]

If she's on BOTS i will not watch the show. I can't stand her!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Josy

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

Very true, freedom of speech (and freedom of the press, which is again slightly different) is supposed to be about being able to speak out against the government or against authority in general without fear of persecution.

Somehow it's been taken and twisted into this form where it means that d-list celebrities are allowed to incite racial hatred and engage in vicious stereotyping without any sort of consequence. An utter mess, really.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

That is a point really well made. I agree 100%.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

Well hate speech is in law so if she is guilty why has no one prosecuted her?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't agree with Brand at all that Hopkins is espousing established policy. He doesn't even say what he mean by that in fact he just starts comparing her to Himmler. It might be valid to compare her rhetoric with that of the Nazis but the Nazis aren't exactly established policy anymore are they. Our politicians are actually all united in the need to do more to tackle this problem, most of them in favour of a European wide or a worldwide solution. It's an incredibly complicated issue though and there is no simple remedy however much Brand thinks we can solve all the worlds problems by making "individual transitions" to "find your own humanity". Him making out that her views are representative of mainstream society and established policy, rather than purely representing Hopkins insatiable need to satisfy her own ego with media converage, is just as stupid as her being allowed a column in the most popular national newspaper.

A brilliant post.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well hate speech is in law so if she is guilty why has no one prosecuted her?

Because she's An Celebrity. If this was some average chav on Facebook, they would have been arrested by now.

[joeysteele]

Well I will never like her, I don't really understand how anyone like her is liked and supported at all.

One thing about her is that she always sticks by what she says no matter how unnecessary and revolting itis, so she has said if Ed Miliband becomes PM she will leave the UK.
The sooner that happens then and she clears off the better in my view.

I will even pay for her taxi to the airport.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't agree with Brand at all that Hopkins is espousing established policy. He doesn't even say what he mean by that in fact he just starts comparing her to Himmler. It might be valid to compare her rhetoric with that of the Nazis but the Nazis aren't exactly established policy anymore are they. Our politicians are actually all united in the need to do more to tackle this problem, most of them in favour of a European wide or a worldwide solution. It's an incredibly complicated issue though and there is no simple remedy however much Brand thinks we can solve all the worlds problems by making "individual transitions" to "find your own humanity". Him making out that her views are representative of mainstream society and established policy, rather than purely representing Hopkins insatiable need to satisfy her own ego with media converage, is just as stupid as her being allowed a column in the most popular national newspaper.

Whether or not the nazis are an established party today or not is irrelevant, it's still possible to draw a comparison. He is correct that it was policy..it may be changing quickly but as of last oct it was.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Whether or not the nazis are an established party today or not is irrelevant, it's still possible to draw a comparison. He is correct that it was policy..it may be changing quickly but as of last oct it was.

To draw a comparison between the rhetoric of Hopkins and that of the Nazis yes, not to draw a comparison between their policy and today's policy. It is relevant whether the Nazis policy is that which is established today because what Brand says is:

"[Katie Hopkins] is merely the voice of, in many cases, established policy. One of the things Katie Hopkins said is 'these people are like cockroaches', when people are like cockroaches what valued does their life have? None, they're just gonna breed all over the place, they breed like hell, this is actually a common view of displaced people or unpopular sections of society. A notable psychological and ideological compatriot of Katie Hopkins is Himmler"

So Brand makes a wild claim - that Katie Hopkins is the voice of established policy - and then completely fails to explain that and makes the immediate association with the Nazis instead. Sorry Russell mate but you've gotta do better than that if you actually want to present yourself as a serious authority on politics. You can't just throw around wild claims and big words in an attempt to make yourself look smart and convincing.

What do you mean about last October?

[Kizzy]

It's valid to me, he aligns her view with current policy and then separately draws a comparison with her comments in the sun and the propaganda of the nazis.

Her skewed support for the policy manifested itself as something akin to the ravings of Himmler he was right to shine a light on that.

I mean about removal of UK support for migrant rescue.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nt-rescue-plan

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's valid to me, he aligns her view with current policy and then separately draws a comparison with her comments in the sun and the propaganda of the nazis.

Her skewed support for the policy manifested itself as something akin to the ravings of Himmler he was right to shine a light on that.

I mean about removal of UK support for migrant rescue.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nt-rescue-plan

Seriously now Kizzy - and non-confrontationally - Why don't our Government just liaise with all the countries from which these 'refugees/illegal immigrants/asylum seekers 'flee from' and spend a few more billions of pounds WE HAVEN'T GOT, and use all our Royal Navy ships to just GO and pick up all these poor unfortunates?

Then we can bring THEM ALL HERE and accommodate all these millions in houses WE HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few hundred millions of pounds per week from the Benefits Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, and drain another few millions of pounds per week from the Social Services Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few millions of pounds per week from the Police Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few millions of pounds per week from the NHS Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, the Schools budget we HAVEN'T GOT, etc. etc. etc.

Or perhaps these poor unfortunates will actually INCREASE the National Coffers by paying taxes after MIRACULOUSLY all finding jobs WE HAVEN'T GOT.

I despair.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Seriously now Kizzy - and non-confrontationally - Why don't our Government just liaise with all the countries from which these 'refugees/illegal immigrants/asylum seekers 'flee from' and spend a few more billions of pounds WE HAVEN'T GOT, and use all our Royal Navy ships to just GO and pick up all these poor unfortunates?

Then we can bring THEM ALL HERE and accommodate all these millions in houses WE HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few hundred millions of pounds per week from the Benefits Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, and drain another few millions of pounds per week from the Social Services Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few millions of pounds per week from the Police Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few millions of pounds per week from the NHS Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, the Schools budget we HAVEN'T GOT, etc. etc. etc.

Or perhaps these poor unfortunates will actually INCREASE the National Coffers by paying taxes after MIRACULOUSLY all finding jobs WE HAVEN'T GOT.

I despair.

Hardly the voice of compassion though is it?

To some people there would never be a point they would assist, because they are never rich enough, never have enough spare housing etc etc etc.

When people are in dire need of assistance, as human beings, we offer assistance. Is that not the CHRISTIAN thing to do? We don't simply walk by someone ill in the street and give them a kick as we go. We call for assistance.

There is nothing i detest more than double standards. We are either a Christian country that will always come to the aid of those who TRULY need it or we are not. This is not related to our own wealth standards as those we are assisting are in a much much worse position than ourselves.

[Kazanne]

On the news this morning most of them are men and what living accommodation they have been given is not good enough and their food not adequate ,this is what some of them are saying, well surely that is better than taking a risk on the seas,Italy have to scan and sort these people out,which takes time,people ARE trying to help,they cant have it all NOW.