[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Although I agreed on lots of what you said in your previous post, our perceptions differ here, Ian.

He has, on occasions, joined in with Bear and Lewis when they were picking on others, notably James, but this was at the start, and I might be wrong but I can't remember more recent occasions of this. I certainly don't think the word 'always' is anywhere near accurate.

I do think he is a decent person. He is naive, he is easily led and manipulated and he has got things wrong on occasions- granted. However, my impression is that his mistakes are not coming from a bad place like they do with Bear, but from an attempt to have fun; whereas I feel Bear and Lewis go out of their way to be cruel and to provoke others, and indeed revel in the distress they cause, I believe Heavy's motives are based firmly in humour and in just having a laugh.

He doesn't always think, but I don't believe he is malicious. He has shown he listens to others and makes the effort to adapt his behaviour. I think he has a heart, whereas the other two are just manipulative and care only for themselves. Heavy has sometimes been rotten, but I don't believe he is rotten- it is a case of separating the action and the person, and I believe the person has a lot of redeeming features. Even good people can, and do, get things wrong.

I can't say I understand how you feel he sees himself as a 'massive tactician', although he has made tongue-in-cheek comments.

He does have some sympathy from me, but it is nothing to do with him being perceived as having a less 'handsome....packaging' or me assuming 'his soul is less rotten' because of that. Give me some credit, Ian! I form my opinions using my brain rather than my eyes, so use my brain to interpret what my eyes see! Surely you wouldn't think me as superficial or so condescending as to pity people for their appearances, and base my judgments on them according to that! :

In actual fact, I feel sympathy, not pity, for him due to the way he has been manipulated, picked on and taken advantage of by the two slime balls already mentioned. More importantly, I like him and am supporting him, for a whole range of reasons!

Originally Posted by Ian Coke

So much to respond to here! Erm, a recent example of Colin's unpleasant behaviour was yelling 'Boom' when a clearly upset Chloe was in the process of being evicted. You say he doesn't think, that he doesn't mean to an arsehole; I think that's debatable, but really, who's to care about his motives, when the results are the same? As to the broader issue, I maintain that if he was a good-looking twenty something with a swimmer's build, acting in exactly the same way, everyone who's now in his corner would absolutely hate him. He's been told time and time again to give the 'Boom!' thing a rest, for example, but he's either just as unwilling, or incapable, of dialing his antics back as Bear is. I just don't see what you see, I suppose. You see a kindly, misunderstood gentle giant type, and I see an over-entitled adult baby, seething internally, with a ton a stuff to do with his largely unresolved sexual urges, to the point of being a social time bomb. The love child of the Incredible Hulk and Mr Blobby. Except not as telegenic as that monster would be.

....hmmm, I kind of agree with a bit of both of you, Garfie and Ian.....(both good posts btw....)...I don't see Heavy as a mean spirited person as such but he does and has done mean spirited things though and that does make it hard to like him as well...it really doesn't sit well how insensitive (and loud) he's been when people have been evicted or in the mornings with how loud he is..(but then I guess the late nighters who are enjoying their lay ins haven't been considerate either..)..but by his own words, he's describing himself as a 'people pleaser' and that being that has got him nowhere as it were but he doesn't seem to even try to 'please' on many occasions but just repeatedly do things that he know will irritate and annoy../he's a bit of a strange one tbh....he seems to please when it suits him and the total opposite to please when that suits him as well....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by hot2go

She cries too much for a housemate....BB is not for the faint hearted and even though they still go in every year and take the place of someone who could handle it better it never makes them any better to watch....go home is what I would say...she obv is too sensitive to handle it.

..I would say that's the point for me hot2go, she hasn't gone home/she hasn't walked etc despite her release of emotion/stress etc through tears that we've seen...crying is not in any way an indication of emotional fragility, some of the most emotionally strong people I know, can cry ..it really is just a release and how people do these things differently and actually a good and strong thing to do by it's very nature and release, rather than the 'holding inside'..that can make someone much more fragile in their emotions when it all inevitably or often 'bursts' in an outer display....

[Alf]

Her voice turns American when she's angry.

Looking forward to see the back of her to be honest, she's been a very disappointing housemate, but then again, most of them have.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I would say that's the point for me hot2go, she hasn't gone home/she hasn't walked etc despite her release of emotion/stress etc through tears that we've seen...crying is not in any way an indication of emotional fragility, some of the most emotionally strong people I know, can cry ..it really is just a release and how people do these things differently and actually a good and strong thing to do by it's very nature and release, rather than the 'hodlding inside'..that can make someone much more fragile in their emotions when it all inevitably or often 'bursts' in an outer display....

It's the regularity of the crying that annoys me....have a good cry, get it all out then refocus....like Andy did for example....I understand the value of crying....I just have zero respect for people who do it over and over....also people who do it when they are losing an argument, like Renee...Renee has been a constant favourite of mine and now I am losing respect fast...
Katie's tears have had repercussions, maybe she could stop and think about that a bit more before turning on the water works again ....after Biggins departure and Ricky's threats to Bear made on her behalf, maybe she should drop the maiden in distress approach and start dealing with stuff instead...
I have no time for her....I've said it before, these are people from an industry where crying often happens as a tool to get ahead....she stood on a live stage in front of a tough audience every week on X Factor...she fought off the competition to get to judges houses...she locked horns with that other silly cow Cheryl Cole....no way should Ricky be fighting her corner for her and no way should she crying all the time.
If it's fake I don't respect it and if it's real she shouldn't have applied for show.....it reminds me of another waste of time, Sinitta....who went in The Jungle knowing full well she wasn't strong enough ..resulting in her not playing the game, refusing to do the trials, depriving the others of food and making it boring for the viewers.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Katie should empty the bottles of alcohol very calmly down the drain, hit them where it hurts, and tell them every time they make a mess the alcohol will be forfeited

But she won't will she

I would do the same, well some of it, the rest of it would go down my gullet, to help me sleep through all the noise they would make about it!

Great idea though, cut them off at the pass, so to speak, get rid of their alcohol!

Lets see how funny Stephen thinks destroying stuff is then shall we?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

I would do the same, well some of it, the rest of it would go down my gullet, to help me sleep through all the noise they would make about it!

Great idea though, cut them off at the pass, so to speak, get rid of their alcohol!

Lets see how funny Stephen thinks destroying stuff is then shall we?

That would be a better option than crying

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, I kind of agree with a bit of both of you, Garfie and Ian.....(both good posts btw....)...I don't see Heavy as a mean spirited person as such but he does and has done mean spirited things though and that does make it hard to like him as well...it really doesn't sit well how insensitive (and loud) he's been when people have been evicted or in the mornings with how loud he is..(but then I guess the late nighters who are enjoying their lay ins haven't been considerate either..)..but by his own words, he's describing himself as a 'people pleaser' and that being that has got him nowhere as it were but he doesn't seem to even try to 'please' on many occasions but just repeatedly do things that he know will irritate and annoy../he's a bit of a strange one tbh....he seems to please when it suits him and the total opposite to please when that suits him as well....

I kind of think Colin must be harder to live with than Stephen. Stephen never apologises or explains, so while it might be interesting if somebody sat him down and talked through his issues. it's not going to happen. Colin, on the other hand, really wants somebody to listen. Which also isn't going to happen.