[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think weve both lost track if what youre saying but to recap: anybody can post on a public thread on a public forum and there are ways to avoid this if you dont want certain peoples input. That, and mods lives not circuling around your post should be common knowledge.

Hope that helps but I have the feeling you was only hoping for praise and not discussions.

Lol I don't want praise, you have no idea

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lol I don't want praise, you have no idea

Well you certainly wont take critique haha, theres seven pages worth of "mods should invest more time into me" and "no youre wrong, i know this cos you dont even like SD"

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well you certainly wont take critique haha, theres seven pages worth of "mods should invest more time into me" and "no youre wrong, i know this cos you dont even like SD"

Depends who is giving the critique

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well you certainly wont take critique haha, theres seven pages worth of "mods should invest more time into me" and "no youre wrong, i know this cos you dont even like SD"

What do you exactly 'get' out of this Withano?

Cherie is not some ogre, nor am I, nor is LT or BOTS.

If any of us feel that we have a legitimate query, complaint, or grouse, then we should know better than you or anyone else not principally involved.

Cherie - in particular - has every right to create this thread.

You seem to be gaining perverse pleasure out of hounding people for no other reason than 'hounding's sake', or to try to prove how clever you are.

Well, none of us give a drachma for how clever you are, and I think that Cherie has answered enough of your irreverent questions for one night.

Can we give it a rest now please?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Can we give it a rest now please?

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

Yes it is invalid because you said you don't care if your posts are deleted...so on the one hand you care on the other hand you don't care ..which is it ..are you a snowflake or not

[Cherry Christmas]

8 pages now folks

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it is invalid because you said you don't care if your posts are deleted...so on the one hand you care on the other hand you don't care ..which is it ..are you a snowflake or not

Please provide a quote where I stated that I don't actually care.

I don't want my posts to be deleted as much as anyone else.

I have disputed the deletion of my posts in the past. My point is that I know I can't get everything I want and that is a part of life. I may be bothered for a short time but I move on, Niamh deleted one of my posts recently to prevent it from being misinterpreted and I didn't like that but I have not made a thread to dispute her place as a moderator, I have not encouraged other people who were moderated by her to call her out with me and I most certainly have not rendered everyone outside of C&G, where the deletion occurred, invalid of having an opinion on the deletion of posts, because my own posts and the posts of people "on my side" are more important.

I also think that ganging up on one moderator and victimizing him about this because he participates in the threads he moderates is really uncalled for.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Please provide a quote where I stated that I don't actually care.

I don't want my posts to be deleted as much as anyone else.

I have disputed the deletion of my posts in the past. My point is that I know I can't get everything I want and that is a part of life. I may be bothered for a short time but I move on, Niamh deleted one of my posts recently to prevent it from being misinterpreted and I didn't like that but I have not made a thread to dispute her place as a moderator, I have not encouraged other people who were moderated by her to call her out with me and I most certainly have not rendered everyone outside of C&G, where the deletion occurred, invalid of having an opinion on the deletion of posts, because my own posts and the posts of people "on my side" are more important.

I also think that ganging up on one moderator and victimizing him about this because he participates in the threads he moderates is really uncalled for.

That emboldened sentence is just not what is happening in my case Jessica.

And I totally disagree about any 'victimising' - in fact Dezzy's name has barely been mentioned in this thread.

Any thread on any topic will draw to it members who have an opinion on that topic.

I am referring to genuine opinion NOT opportunistic 'veiled' Trolling and Baiting from personal 'axe-grinding' motives.

This subject is no different, and if several members independently feel that they have had a genuine unfair experience at the hands of a 'Mod', and that 'Mod' turns out to be the same person, then that is not 'ganging up' and it is not victimising anyone.

Dialogue is the only way to resolve any problems such as this, and irrational hostile or untrue comments through misplaced loyalty, by people who were not, and are not, 'principally' involved in the individual issues, is tantamount to stifling that dialogue and, if unrestrained, is what actually leads to 'victimisation - of the ones who are claiming a grievance.

A lot has been written and intimated at, that this thread is 'Much Ado About Nothing' but that is wholly dismissive and unfair to the members who feel strongly enough about their claims, that they enter what is after all 'The Lion's Den' to air those claims.

One thoroughly decent and active long-serving member has quit the forum because of his depth of feelings about his own particular issue - Does that lend weight to any argument that this entire matter is spurious?

No one is painting anyone out to be any kind of habitual monster - that is just not the case - but I have a genuine grievance, and I am attempting to resolve it in a mature and amicable manner.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

This is just not true Jessica.

Show me where I have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion?

I do not care who posts in SD or who doesn't, or who posts in here.

It is not the ACT of posting which I have a problem with - it is the MOTIVE for posting AND whether what is being posted is relevant and true.

But - you are, of course, free to feel what you want.

I have ALWAYS been civil and polite and friendly to everyone on here - even after I have long become aware that those qualities were not being reciprocated by some, and I only treat others how they treat me when all else has failed.

I am learning lessons over the past few weeks.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

Exactly true

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Cherie is not some ogre, nor am I, nor is LT or BOTS.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by That Girl

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by That Girl

I perhaps Lol'd a touch

[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What do you exactly 'get' out of this Withano?

Cherie is not some ogre, nor am I, nor is LT or BOTS.

If any of us feel that we have a legitimate query, complaint, or grouse, then we should know better than you or anyone else not principally involved.

Cherie - in particular - has every right to create this thread.

You seem to be gaining perverse pleasure out of hounding people for no other reason than 'hounding's sake', or to try to prove how clever you are.

Well, none of us give a drachma for how clever you are, and I think that Cherie has answered enough of your irreverent questions for one night.

Can we give it a rest now please?

I have only ever responded to people who first quote me in this thread. Every single time. If Cherie didnt want to engage in a coversation with me, she had a very simple way to do this by simply ignoring any one of my posts. The first of which was in no way aimed at her, she just decided to snipe. Pretty sure I havent talked to Bots at all, and LT and yourself just once in response to your comments on my posts. However the Last time I did this to you, you kicked up a fuss about how my opinion matters less than yours or something, how you was allowed to quote my posts but not vice versa? I dont know, I dont think you know either.. but its starting to be a habit of yours, have a feeling you feel this makes you win arguments.

I dont get anything out of it but i will stand up for myself if people want to quote me in something, wont want to encourage your bullying ways kirk regardless of how many names you throw into this gang of VIP, principally involved people youve made yourself (prinicpally being an odd word choice, i too have had several posts deleted, i just dont feel entitled to a full explanation every single time, or indeed any time, i think this is the general consensus to many outside your VIP gang if you needed the summary youve missed up to now).

And also if people want to set more work for mods to do because they feel under-valued? Mis-treated? Confused? Then thats a topic for the entire forum. My opinion is, lets not give mods more jobs cos lets at least try to sympathise. If you dont want to discuss this, then dont quote it, simple really.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have only ever responded to people who first quote me in this thread. Every single time. If Cherie didnt want to engage in a coversation with me, she had a very simple way to do this by simply ignoring any one of my posts. The first of which was in no way aimed at her, she just decided to snipe. Pretty sure I havent talked to Bots at all, and LT and yourself just once in response to your comments on my posts. However the Last time I did this to you, you kicked up a fuss about how my opinion matters less than yours or something, how you was allowed to quote my posts but not vice versa? I dont know, I dont think you know either.. but its starting to be a habit of yours, have a feeling you feel this makes you win arguments.

I dont get anything out of it but i will stand up for myself if people want to quote me in something, wont want to encourage your bullying ways kirk regardless of how many names you throw into this gang of VIP, principally involved people youve made yourself (prinicpally being an odd word choice, i too have had several posts deleted, i just dont feel entitled to a full explanation every single time, or indeed any time, i think this is the general consensus to many outside your VIP gang if you needed the summary youve missed up to now).

And also if people want to set more work for mods to do because they feel under-valued? Mis-treated? Confused? Then thats a topic for the entire forum. My opinion is, lets not give mods more jobs cos lets at least try to sympathise. If you dont want to discuss this, then dont quote it, simple really.

Nice post Withano

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont get anything out of it but i will stand up for myself if people want to quote me in something, wont want to encourage your bullying ways kirk regardless of how many names you throw into this gang of VIP, principally involved people youve made yourself (prinicpally being an odd word choice, i too have had several posts deleted, i just dont feel entitled to a full explanation every single time, or indeed any time, i think this is the general consensus to many outside your VIP gang if you needed the summary youve missed up to now).

To label 'Kirk and his bullying ways' is kinda a big deal considering I'm 99% sure your post is serious. Kirk is honestly one of the fairest and most civil posters I've seen engage in discussion on here even when things get heated. I've never seen him be particularly rude/unpleasant to anyone, let alone the bully accusation being called up.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by caprimint

To label 'Kirk and his bullying ways' is kinda a big deal considering I'm 99% sure your post is serious. Kirk is honestly one of the fairest and most civil posters I've seen engage in discussion on here even when things get heated. I've never seen him be particularly rude/unpleasant to anyone, let alone the bully accusation being called up.

I think he baits people into arguments a lot so I wouldnt go as far as you have at all. the word bully is more paraphrasing him, ive made the point to him before that its odd to cry bully on a debates forum.. but then again, it seems a few agree with the post so maybe it was appropriate.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by caprimint

To label 'Kirk and his bullying ways' is kinda a big deal considering I'm 99% sure your post is serious. Kirk is honestly one of the fairest and most civil posters I've seen engage in discussion on here even when things get heated. I've never seen him be particularly rude/unpleasant to anyone, let alone the bully accusation being called up.

Thank you Caprimint. I sincerely appreciate this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by caprimint

To label 'Kirk and his bullying ways' is kinda a big deal considering I'm 99% sure your post is serious. Kirk is honestly one of the fairest and most civil posters I've seen engage in discussion on here even when things get heated. I've never seen him be particularly rude/unpleasant to anyone, let alone the bully accusation being called up.

Yeah? Well when you've been on the receiving end of one of his 'deleted scenes' mocking your politics and rubbishing your character, we'll talk.
Just because you haven't witnessed it does not mean it hasn't happened, I've never witnessed a murder, but I know they happen.

The reason you don't see them is because they are removed from the thread, either when a moderator sees them or I or another member reports them.

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yeah? Well when you've been on the receiving end of one of his 'deleted scenes' mocking your politics and rubbishing your character, we'll talk.
Just because you haven't witnessed it does not mean it hasn't happened, I've never witnessed a murder, but I know they happen.

The reason you don't see them is because they are removed from the thread, either when a moderator sees them or I or another member reports them.

Well I haven't seen proof of it either so I'll continue to speak only based on my own experience rather than believing one side of the story. People can get pretty defensive over opinions/views when it comes to serious debates...I see Kirk as being a respectful person who puts forward a good argument and I don't think he would intentionally offend/insult someone.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have only ever responded to people who first quote me in this thread. Every single time. If Cherie didnt want to engage in a coversation with me, she had a very simple way to do this by simply ignoring any one of my posts. The first of which was in no way aimed at her, she just decided to snipe. Pretty sure I havent talked to Bots at all, and LT and yourself just once in response to your comments on my posts. However the Last time I did this to you, you kicked up a fuss about how my opinion matters less than yours or something, how you was allowed to quote my posts but not vice versa? I dont know, I dont think you know either.. but its starting to be a habit of yours, have a feeling you feel this makes you win arguments.

I dont get anything out of it but i will stand up for myself if people want to quote me in something, wont want to encourage your bullying ways kirk regardless of how many names you throw into this gang of VIP, principally involved people youve made yourself (prinicpally being an odd word choice, i too have had several posts deleted, i just dont feel entitled to a full explanation every single time, or indeed any time, i think this is the general consensus to many outside your VIP gang if you needed the summary youve missed up to now).

And also if people want to set more work for mods to do because they feel under-valued? Mis-treated? Confused? Then thats a topic for the entire forum. My opinion is, lets not give mods more jobs cos lets at least try to sympathise. If you dont want to discuss this, then dont quote it, simple really.

Another very good post from you.

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well you certainly wont take critique haha, theres seven pages worth of "mods should invest more time into me" and "no youre wrong, i know this cos you dont even like SD"

This thread isn't one that I've been passionate enough to respond to yet because I don't post in serious debates/rarely have my posts ever gotten deleted, but I don't think Cherie is saying she wants mods to invest their time into her, that's kinda turning the context into something else entirely. I get her point, perhaps sometimes clarification is necessary.

In response to what the thread is actually about - I would say that the times I've noticed posts getting deleted are because they engage in or encourage an argument that could potentially or has gotten out of hand so deleting posts essentially stops that. Obviously it can be annoying if your post was 'innocent' but it is probably easier to delete the whole lot rather than leave random ones because people will be curious as to what it was about and the circle starts again.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by caprimint

This thread isn't one that I've been passionate enough to respond to yet because I don't post in serious debates/rarely have my posts ever gotten deleted, but I don't think Cherie is saying she wants mods to invest their time into her, that's kinda turning the context into something else entirely. I get her point, perhaps sometimes clarification is necessary.

In response to what the thread is actually about - I would say that the times I've noticed posts getting deleted are because they engage in or encourage an argument that could potentially or has gotten out of hand so deleting posts essentially stops that. Obviously it can be annoying if your post was 'innocent' but it is probably easier to delete the whole lot rather than leave random ones because people will be curious as to what it was about and the circle starts again.

Thank you...for cutting through the crap and actually getting it