[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Can we give it a rest now please?

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

Yes it is invalid because you said you don't care if your posts are deleted...so on the one hand you care on the other hand you don't care ..which is it ..are you a snowflake or not

[Cherry Christmas]

8 pages now folks

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it is invalid because you said you don't care if your posts are deleted...so on the one hand you care on the other hand you don't care ..which is it ..are you a snowflake or not

Please provide a quote where I stated that I don't actually care.

I don't want my posts to be deleted as much as anyone else.

I have disputed the deletion of my posts in the past. My point is that I know I can't get everything I want and that is a part of life. I may be bothered for a short time but I move on, Niamh deleted one of my posts recently to prevent it from being misinterpreted and I didn't like that but I have not made a thread to dispute her place as a moderator, I have not encouraged other people who were moderated by her to call her out with me and I most certainly have not rendered everyone outside of C&G, where the deletion occurred, invalid of having an opinion on the deletion of posts, because my own posts and the posts of people "on my side" are more important.

I also think that ganging up on one moderator and victimizing him about this because he participates in the threads he moderates is really uncalled for.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Please provide a quote where I stated that I don't actually care.

I don't want my posts to be deleted as much as anyone else.

I have disputed the deletion of my posts in the past. My point is that I know I can't get everything I want and that is a part of life. I may be bothered for a short time but I move on, Niamh deleted one of my posts recently to prevent it from being misinterpreted and I didn't like that but I have not made a thread to dispute her place as a moderator, I have not encouraged other people who were moderated by her to call her out with me and I most certainly have not rendered everyone outside of C&G, where the deletion occurred, invalid of having an opinion on the deletion of posts, because my own posts and the posts of people "on my side" are more important.

I also think that ganging up on one moderator and victimizing him about this because he participates in the threads he moderates is really uncalled for.

That emboldened sentence is just not what is happening in my case Jessica.

And I totally disagree about any 'victimising' - in fact Dezzy's name has barely been mentioned in this thread.

Any thread on any topic will draw to it members who have an opinion on that topic.

I am referring to genuine opinion NOT opportunistic 'veiled' Trolling and Baiting from personal 'axe-grinding' motives.

This subject is no different, and if several members independently feel that they have had a genuine unfair experience at the hands of a 'Mod', and that 'Mod' turns out to be the same person, then that is not 'ganging up' and it is not victimising anyone.

Dialogue is the only way to resolve any problems such as this, and irrational hostile or untrue comments through misplaced loyalty, by people who were not, and are not, 'principally' involved in the individual issues, is tantamount to stifling that dialogue and, if unrestrained, is what actually leads to 'victimisation - of the ones who are claiming a grievance.

A lot has been written and intimated at, that this thread is 'Much Ado About Nothing' but that is wholly dismissive and unfair to the members who feel strongly enough about their claims, that they enter what is after all 'The Lion's Den' to air those claims.

One thoroughly decent and active long-serving member has quit the forum because of his depth of feelings about his own particular issue - Does that lend weight to any argument that this entire matter is spurious?

No one is painting anyone out to be any kind of habitual monster - that is just not the case - but I have a genuine grievance, and I am attempting to resolve it in a mature and amicable manner.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

That emboldened sentence is just not what is happening in my case Jessica.

And I totally disagree about any 'victimising' - in fact Dezzy's name has barely been mentioned in this thread.

Any thread on any topic will draw to it members who have an opinion on that topic.

I am referring to genuine opinion NOT opportunistic 'veiled' Trolling and Baiting from personal 'axe-grinding' motives.

This subject is no different, and if several members independently feel that they have had a genuine unfair experience at the hands of a 'Mod', and that 'Mod' turns out to be the same person, then that is not 'ganging up' and it is not victimising anyone.

Dialogue is the only way to resolve any problems such as this, and irrational hostile or untrue comments through misplaced loyalty, by people who were not, and are not, 'principally' involved in the individual issues, is tantamount to stifling that dialogue and, if unrestrained, is what actually leads to 'victimisation - of the ones who are claiming a grievance.

A lot has been written and intimated at, that this thread is 'Much Ado About Nothing' but that is wholly dismissive and unfair to the members who feel strongly enough about their claims, that they enter what is after all 'The Lion's Den' to air those claims.

One thoroughly decent and active long-serving member has quit the forum because of his depth of feelings about his own particular issue - Does that lend weight to any argument that this entire matter is spurious?

No one is painting anyone out to be any kind of habitual monster - that is just not the case - but I have a genuine grievance, and I am attempting to resolve it in a mature and amicable manner.

..it might be personal opinion Kirk but it's still axe-grinding..by the very nature of a few threads in the last few days, it's axe-grinding...and this is not about 'independent voices' because independent voices would independantly voice what they felt they needed or wanted to voice directly to staff/admin...I imagine that many members would have and have thought over time that they had a genuine unfair experience at the hands of a mod, isn't that how it is/how it works that we always think it's unfair and genuine with our own involvement in something/when rules apply to us and we may not be happy about that...but that's just it, I think we also need to look at our own involvement/our own actions and what their contribution has been...and yes, a mod could very well turn out to be the same person on many occasions because of the ratio of staff to members and how active some staff are in general...but again, I just don't think that you're looking at 'the cause' and the need felt for post removal/infractions/bans etc of the same members...why does a specific mod do..?.../is also, why is it necessary to keep doing...time and time again, type thing...and it isn't just one mod anyway which is the reason why the warning at the top of SD has been refreshed so often to highlight it...that in itself is a warning in a way that if it was absorbed and we looked to ourselves, then there would be no need for removal of posts/infractions/bans etc...but we still have those as well which is very evident ...that can't be the responsibility of staff that we do, that's completely the responsibility and ownership of each individual person...and of course, disgruntled voices will group together in their disgruntlement, that my friend is the way it is, whether on or off the forum../negativity and disgruntlement finds 'partners' and like minds...and whether it be in SD or any other section of the forum..that grouping together doesn't give those voices any more credence...


..I'm very sorry that BOTS had made his decision not to post on the forum anymore or for the moment, he's someone who I enjoyed reading his thoughts and contributions and I hope he'll reconsider his decision with reflection (and distance..)...but there are lots of thoroughly decent and long serving members on the forum and in this thread who disagree with what is being accused...those voices have to be equally heard as well...anyway I think this thread is becoming exhausted..(in my opinion of course..)..I do agree with you completely that dialogue/communication is the best way to resolve...but I think that the starting point is very much to look at our own dialogue in threads and whether that contributes as well and how much it does...mods will have different ways of doing things as has been said, Niamh is prone to bold etc when she removes/warns etc because everyone is individual in methods and that's what makes a team gel together, their differences/but still a consistency of feeling a need to moderate more actively...but there is still the same theme running through...that theme of Josy having to refresh warnings, Niamh having to bold and Dezzy and Niamh having to warn/remove and infract/and for the same consistent things and with the same consistent members...(as well as other staff who may not participate but still observe and moderate..)...


..Kirk you said to me that I should step back or needed to and you inferred 'favouring' for a friend...well you also are a friend, I don't 'favour' with the voice I have..I only speak as I see, whether a friend or not...

[Ammi]

...actually just a quick add on......I have seen other mods be deemed as 'inappropriate' in their individuality...in fact actually most other mods...Nathan because he was non confrontational and tended to try to joke to diffuse was often criticised..Marc when he would post a funny gif/pic in 'heated threads'..Ben as well received lots of criticism, Josy has been targeted so much because of her 'moderating style' and has received constant criticism...Niamh as well has also been accused of bias and unprofessionalism...and all completely different personalities but one familiar with them all is that lack of taking responsibility and looking at the part played by the 'disgruntled'....


...also again it feels like not wanting to have an individually quashed in some way or edited in some way and then trying to do just that to someone else for who they are when they're posting a member...and not looking at the threads that have become familiar sadly../the vein of them has become aggressive and hostile by so many, targeting one person or a select few is unfair and wrong....

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

This is just not true Jessica.

Show me where I have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion?

I do not care who posts in SD or who doesn't, or who posts in here.

It is not the ACT of posting which I have a problem with - it is the MOTIVE for posting AND whether what is being posted is relevant and true.

But - you are, of course, free to feel what you want.

I have ALWAYS been civil and polite and friendly to everyone on here - even after I have long become aware that those qualities were not being reciprocated by some, and I only treat others how they treat me when all else has failed.

I am learning lessons over the past few weeks.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You can't just tell anyone to give it a rest, that is censorship.

Throughout this thread, you and the others have been acting as if nobody else is allowed to have an opinion unless they agree with you. Every post defending the mods has been branded ignored and every person who disagrees with all of you is not allowed to have an opinion because they don't post in SD as much as you. Posts get deleted all over the forum but only your group of special snowflakes has caused such a ruckus about it. Are posts in SD the only ones that matter? If I had an innocent post deleted outside of SD is my opinion still invalid?

Exactly true