[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

It's not always so obvious. People are usually surprised when they find out when I'm gay.

That is, unless I'm drinking.

I did mention that it's not the case all the time.Just from what i've seen personally and on TV etc.

[kirklancaster]

I know gay guys who have perfectly sculptured bodies, are hard-as-nails boxers, karate experts, and similar. They walk, talk and act just normal, but they are gay and proud of it.

I also know a few 'Screaming Queens' too So there is no such thing as a 'typical Gay'.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I know gay guys who have perfectly sculptured bodies, are hard-as-nails boxers, karate experts, and similar. They walk, talk and act just normal, but they are gay and proud of it.

I also know a few 'Screaming Queens' too So there is no such thing as a 'typical Gay'.

Yeah,I'm only speaking from my Possibly limited exposure.Although i did used to go in gay clubs quite abit cos they were open later and had the best tunes back when i was out every week so it's not like i've been sheltered.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah,I'm only speaking from my Possibly limited exposure.Although i did used to go in gay clubs quite abit cos they were open later and had the best tunes back when i was out every week so it's not like i've been sheltered.

True back in my day too Paul. Pure Hedonism were those Gay Clubs.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well i think in Conservative Christian America it's still viewed as 'not normal' to many very devout Christians so 'coming out' would be a much bigger issue there.

Aside from the Christian community having a stance on it, American culture was fairly sheltered before LGBT culture coming out () changed that...

We can't even see penises on TV and much of culture waters those things down. I remember the first time I opened up a live UK TV stream they were cutting into a cow or something doing a live birth... I'm like this is clearly NOT America. *BB comes on** Ooh look a penis

A commercial like this would be considered too relaxed (taboo) for our TV... though we are slowly relaxing... some...

Youtube video

So even if someone is not Christian, they may still be conditioned by the same Christian ideals... if that makes sense.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I know gay guys who have perfectly sculptured bodies, are hard-as-nails boxers, karate experts, and similar. They walk, talk and act just normal, but they are gay and proud of it.

I also know a few 'Screaming Queens' too So there is no such thing as a 'typical Gay'.

...ok

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I did mention that it's not the case all the time.Just from what i've seen personally and on TV etc.

It's been a personal gripe of mine for a while that any time a gay person has been given a job on television it's been largely due to their exaggerated personalities and a flippant job in either fashion, celebrity culture or dancing.

But then, on the other hand, one could argue that me finding fault with effeminate presenters and 'stereotypes' could be seen as part of the problem: some masculine-acting gay men in particular seem fervent in trying to 'normalise' themselves and appear more manly than most straight guys bother to be. Which asks the question: what is wrong with femininity? Everyone's encountered the odd gay guy who's extremely over-the-top and irritating (most of them are cast on Big Brother) but is having a camp voice and a less conventional sense of men's fashion all that objectionable?

It's a bit of a catch-22. Some LGBT want more representation in the media, but then get a bit annoyed if they're not exactly like them. But I do still think there's a casual kind of "haha look at this queen" role that's filled in most mainstream representations of 'a gay', and you have to wonder if that's pandering to the narrow-minded. One very much doubts that Rylan, Gok Wan (although he's not too extreme), Louie Spence, Bruno Tonioli, Alan Carr, Louis Walsh and John Barrowman are taken all that seriously. I don't know if I can name many TV personalities that are queer but not a joke figure. Ellen DeGeneres, Sandi Toksvig, Sue Perkins and Stephen Fry are all that spring to mind. So basically the women

The issue of visibility in the media very much hinges on how "visible" it is, I guess.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Shaun

some masculine-acting gay men in particular seem fervent in trying to 'normalise' themselves and appear more manly than most straight guys bother to be. Which asks the question: what is wrong with femininity?

As a masculine gay man, I am proud not to be feminine. I am proud of my dominance, strength, aggressiveness, competitive nature and ability to make straight men turn into butty boys.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It's been a personal gripe of mine for a while that any time a gay person has been given a job on television it's been largely due to their exaggerated personalities and a flippant job in either fashion, celebrity culture or dancing.

But then, on the other hand, one could argue that me finding fault with effeminate presenters and 'stereotypes' could be seen as part of the problem: some masculine-acting gay men in particular seem fervent in trying to 'normalise' themselves and appear more manly than most straight guys bother to be. Which asks the question: what is wrong with femininity? Everyone's encountered the odd gay guy who's extremely over-the-top and irritating (most of them are cast on Big Brother) but is having a camp voice and a less conventional sense of men's fashion all that objectionable?

It's a bit of a catch-22. Some LGBT want more representation in the media, but then get a bit annoyed if they're not exactly like them. But I do still think there's a casual kind of "haha look at this queen" role that's filled in most mainstream representations of 'a gay', and you have to wonder if that's pandering to the narrow-minded. One very much doubts that Rylan, Gok Wan (although he's not too extreme), Louie Spence, Bruno Tonioli, Alan Carr, Louis Walsh and John Barrowman are taken all that seriously. I don't know if I can name many TV personalities that are queer but not a joke figure. Ellen DeGeneres, Sandi Toksvig, Sue Perkins and Stephen Fry are all that spring to mind. So basically the women

The issue of visibility in the media very much hinges on how "visible" it is, I guess.

Apart from Gok Wan being in the fashion industry I find him really un-camp (if that's a word)

Graham Norton is very camp but is still taken seriously as a presenter I think

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Apart from Gok Wan being in the fashion industry I find him really un-camp (if that's a word)

Graham Norton is very camp but is still taken seriously as a presenter I think

It is now Niamh.