[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's based on all the studies that have not been able to provide a link between violence in video games and violence in real life and it's just common sense really.

I see you misunderstood my point about the 80's, try reading a post a few more times before responding to make sure you understand. The reason why I brought up the 80's because there was people with the exact same thoughts towards 'video nasties' that believed they could desensitise children to violence or make them more violent in turn. No evidence backed them up then and no evidence backs up this crusade against video games now. Not being affected by violence that's not real does not mean that you won't be affected by actual violence.

Games are age restricted for the same reasons that TV shows and films are, that should be common sense. The BBFC does not classify games differently to films, the same standards still remain. Games, like films and TV shows can affect us on an emotional level, there's a number of games that will make you weep like you've just watched tearjerker, games are more effective at making us feel fear than horror films since you can't look away but all these feelings don't translate to real life. You don't go through life having emotional breakdowns over the fact that Mufasa died in The Lion King. The emotions a person feels whilst watching a film or playing a game remains tied to that.

No, you keep making out that I'm saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, you are and I'm entitled to dissect that opinion however you please like you can to mine.

I have never been restricted from playing or watching whatever films or games I want to watch. Watching and playing violent films and video games from a young age has never affected me because I knew it was not real and I could differentiate between what's acceptable in a game and what's acceptable in reality. Again, not being affected by simulated violence is not the same as not being affected by actual violence.

You can't excuse your lack of evidence as 'it's just common sense' :/

Again you're alluding to the link between violence in games and real life violence ... for the third time that was not, and is not my issue, instead of mocking me for your misunderstanding make sure you are aware of what my point is in relation to the topic.

I would say the parts in bold reinforce my argument more than yours too, for the reasons I stated earlier, there will be factors that could influence psychological impact the game quality for certain that won't have been an issue in the 80s. The age of the gamer is another factor, as with films there's always going to be younger people playing 18 games, we can't be certain they won't have been affected.

You can dissect my opinion if you like, you're not in a position to say it's wrong however as I'm not stating it as fact, all you have to counter is your opinion which also is not fact.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

You can't excuse your lack of evidence as 'it's just common sense' :/

Again you're alluding to the link between violence in games and real life violence ... for the third time that was not, and is not my issue, instead of mocking me for your misunderstanding make sure you are aware of what my point is in relation to the topic.

I would say the parts in bold reinforce my argument more than yours too, for the reasons I stated earlier, there will be factors that could influence psychological impact the game quality for certain that won't have been an issue in the 80s. The age of the gamer is another factor, as with films there's always going to be younger people playing 18 games, we can't be certain they won't have been affected.

You can dissect my opinion if you like, you're not in a position to say it's wrong however as I'm not stating it as fact, all you have to counter is your opinion which also is not fact.

Why do you keep ignoring the majority of my posts and making out that my only argument is common sense? Also I know exactly what your argument is, I've commented on it enough just for you to keep ignoring it and focusing on bits you can misrepresent.

I haven't got a lack of evidence, I am the ****ing evidence, years of research that has yet to prove that games can have a detrimental effect on people's real life empathy or reactions to violence IS my evidence too. You are literally clinging to one study that stated an obvious fact, people become desensitised to VIRTUAL violence when they see a lot of it but no study has been able to prove there's a similar desensitivity to actual violence because of exposure to similated violence. I've explained why it's the case for films as well multiple times but you chose to ignore it since you can't argue against it.

Violent video games are not a new fangled thing, they have been around for over twenty years, if they have a negative effect on children we would have seen results or proof of that but we haven't.

Well you DID state an opinion like it was a fact.

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

'Modern' video games are about the normalisation of violence and/ or abuse, mocking those who highlight this as a issue reiterates my point.

I've never stated my opinions like they are facts obviously because I've repeated my mantra on opinions repeatedly in this thread, keep up Kizzy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why do you keep ignoring the majority of my posts and making out that my only argument is common sense? Also I know exactly what your argument is, I've commented on it enough just for you to keep ignoring it and focusing on bits you can misrepresent.

I haven't got a lack of evidence, I am the ****ing evidence, years of research that has yet to prove that games can have a detrimental effect on people's real life empathy or reactions to violence IS my evidence too. You are literally clinging to one study that stated an obvious fact, people become desensitised to VIRTUAL violence when they see a lot of it but no study has been able to prove there's a similar desensitivity to actual violence because of exposure to similated violence. I've explained why it's the case for films as well multiple times but you chose to ignore it since you can't argue against it.

Violent video games are not a new fangled thing, they have been around for over twenty years, if they have a negative effect on children we would have seen results or proof of that but we haven't.

Well you DID state an opinion like it was a fact.



I've never stated my opinions like they are facts obviously because I've repeated my mantra on opinions repeatedly in this thread, keep up Kizzy.

Not a very wise decision to present yourself and your constant aggressive posts as evidence of non-aggression. I think if anything you simply prove the case against not the case for.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why do you keep ignoring the majority of my posts and making out that my only argument is common sense? Also I know exactly what your argument is, I've commented on it enough just for you to keep ignoring it and focusing on bits you can misrepresent.

I haven't got a lack of evidence, I am the ****ing evidence, years of research that has yet to prove that games can have a detrimental effect on people's real life empathy or reactions to violence IS my evidence too. You are literally clinging to one study that stated an obvious fact, people become desensitised to VIRTUAL violence when they see a lot of it but no study has been able to prove there's a similar desensitivity to actual violence because of exposure to similated violence. I've explained why it's the case for films as well multiple times but you chose to ignore it since you can't argue against it.

Violent video games are not a new fangled thing, they have been around for over twenty years, if they have a negative effect on children we would have seen results or proof of that but we haven't.

Well you DID state an opinion like it was a fact.



I've never stated my opinions like they are facts obviously because I've repeated my mantra on opinions repeatedly in this thread, keep up Kizzy.

I'm bored of you now to be honest, you you can't ****ing have a study of one ****ing person for ****s sake!

For clarification I feel games now have the capacity to cause desensitisation and normalise violence... if you don't agree let it be said I just don't give a flying ****, whatever your opinion is I don't give a rats arse! I did not state my opinion as fact... ****ing fact!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

I'm bored of you now to be honest, you you can't ****ing have a study of one ****ing person for ****s sake!

For clarification I feel games now have the capacity to cause desensitisation and normalise violence... if you don't agree let it be said I just don't give a flying ****, whatever your opinion is I don't give a rats arse! I did not state my opinion as fact... ****ing fact!

If you read my posts properly, you would know I was referring to the fact that, like so many other people, I could watch and play what I wanted from an early age and that it didn't normalise real life violence for me since, again like so many other people, I can tell the difference between reality and a video game. That's my argument for why I am proof that video games doesn't normalise violence because it certainly did not in my case or in the cases of many others on this site who had similar unrestricted access to mature content as a child.

As I've said a thousand times (which you will ignore like you have this entire thread, your study that you keep mentioning holds no merit on the discussion of violence desensitivity in real life since it only proved what should have been obvious to everyone, that playing violent video games will desensitise you to VIRTUAL violence. That study has no impact on the discussion of video games normalising violence or desensitising people to ACTUAL violence.

I will continue to comment on yours' and other opinions just like you are free to do so to me because that's my ****ing right to do and you've just got to accept that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you read my posts properly, you would know I was referring to the fact that, like so many other people, I could watch and play what I wanted from an early age and that it didn't normalise real life violence for me since, again like so many other people, I can tell the difference between reality and a video game. That's my argument for why I am proof that video games doesn't normalise violence because it certainly did not in my case or in the cases of many others on this site who had similar unrestricted access to mature content as a child.

As I've said a thousand times (which you will ignore like you have this entire thread, your study that you keep mentioning holds no merit on the discussion of violence desensitivity in real life since it only proved what should have been obvious to everyone, that playing violent video games will desensitise you to VIRTUAL violence. That study has no impact on the discussion of video games normalising violence or desensitising people to ACTUAL violence.

I will continue to comment on yours' and other opinions just like you are free to do so to me because that's my ****ing right to do and you've just got to accept that.

Go for it ... Fill your boots.

My opinions remains the same.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

Go for it ... Fill your boots.

My opinions remains the same.

Luckily, your opinion also remains uninformed and irrelevant.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Luckily, your opinion also remains uninformed and irrelevant.

Irrelevant... in what context?

I can handle being uninformed I never professed to being a gaming aficionado... But irrel?... Why not go the extra mile and throw a gurl bai in there?