[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think she also compared her phobia to that of a clown phobia which is quite common...maybe she feels it’s hard to ‘see the person’ behind drag queen make up which tends to be very heavy make up...so like wearing a mask, type thing...?....that would also make sense to me to create a phobia, I have a huge phobia of masks....

That's true. I think a lot of people took that as being a derogatory comparison, drag queens are the same as clowns, but both do use costumes as part of their entertainment and I think that's what she was getting at with the comparison (I'd also say that there's nothing wrong with being a clown so it's not necessarily an insult if it's not meant in that way but anyway). It's also telling that Courtney doesn't seem to have taken an issue with any of this when I think it's fair to say that he'd probably have had a conversation with her about it if he did, considering he talked to Ann about his issues with her views on gay rights.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's true. I think a lot of people took that as being a derogatory comparison, drag queens are the same as clowns, but both do use costumes as part of their entertainment and I think that's what she was getting at with the comparison (I'd also say that there's nothing wrong with being a clown so it's not necessarily an insult if it's not meant in that way but anyway). It's also telling that Courtney doesn't seem to have taken an issue with any of this when I think it's fair to say that he'd probably have had a conversation with her about it if he did, considering he talked to Ann about his issues with her views on gay rights.

From what we have seen though, Courtney does not seem to take issue with anything. Shane sat and listened to the whole 'gay rights' thing from Ann and did not take issue, he simply said that it important that all opinions are heard. So refreshing. Courtney/Shane seem very live and let live. Shame India is not more like that tbh

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

From what we have seen though, Courtney does not seem to take issue with anything. Shane sat and listened to the whole 'gay rights' thing from Ann and did not take issue, he simply said that it important that all opinions are heard. So refreshing. Courtney/Shane seem very live and let live. Shame India is not more like that tbh

I don't know I'm just making an assumption, but I presumed that the reason he brought it up with Ann in the first place was because he disagreed with her views and wanted to discuss and counter them, as great as he was during their chat that's basically what he was doing, so I just would have thought he'd do the same with India and her views if he felt it was necessary.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I don't know I'm just making an assumption, but I presumed that the reason he brought it up with Ann in the first place was because he disagreed with her views and wanted to discuss and counter them, as great as he was during their chat that's basically what he was doing, so I just would have thought he'd do the same with India and her views if he felt it was necessary.

He HAS brought up the 'drag-phobia' thing though. And has spoke about it a few times when India started the conversations Thought you meant as he has not outright said he has a problem with it.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

He HAS brought up the 'drag-phobia' thing though. And has spoke about it a few times when India started the conversations Thought you meant as he has not outright said he has a problem with it.

Oh well then I've completely missed something in that case :/ I know it's been mentioned but it's seemed very off the cuff, almost jokingly referencing it, I just got the impression that he specifically wanted to sit down with Ann and have a discussion about her views to highlight them and provide a counter and I haven't noticed that with him and India but it's possible I've just missed something, or yes I could have misread the situation entirely, that's just the impression I got and the assumption I made from it.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's true. I think a lot of people took that as being a derogatory comparison, drag queens are the same as clowns, but both do use costumes as part of their entertainment and I think that's what she was getting at with the comparison (I'd also say that there's nothing wrong with being a clown so it's not necessarily an insult if it's not meant in that way but anyway). It's also telling that Courtney doesn't seem to have taken an issue with any of this when I think it's fair to say that he'd probably have had a conversation with her about it if he did, considering he talked to Ann about his issues with her views on gay rights.

...also, drag queens don’t really represent women in how they dress, it’s very exaggerated and OTT glam..so it doesn’t represent India really, does it...(...I’ve done my usual reading a few sites.....and apparently trans women are more likely to be the ones who feel invalidated by drag queens if they think it mocks them and can also feel that it represents ‘being female’ as just a phase’...I’m not sure if India has any feelings herself of where her phobia has arisen from but a phobia of drag queens is something that others seem to experience as well in their lives....

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...also, drag queens don’t really represent women in how they dress, it’s very exaggerated and OTT glam..so it doesn’t represent India really, does it...(...I’ve done my usual reading a few sites.....and apparently trans women are more likely to be the ones who feel invalidated by drag queens if they think it mocks them and can also feel that it represents ‘being female’ as just a phase’...I’m not sure if India has any feelings herself of where her phobia has arisen from but a phobia of drag queens is something that others seem to experience as well in their lives....

Yes a lot of people do, I don't really know what causes it either and I'm just guessing with India but just the amount of comparisons made on here between her and Courtney shows how prevalent it is, but drag queens dressing as women for entertainment is far more comparable to a clown than it is to a transsexual woman who even if other people don't consider her to be woman, considers herself to be one. I don't agree with her feelings towards drag queens but I can see how an aversion would be caused. Out of everyone in society I think transsexual women are the MOST likely people to have a drag phobia.