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Originally Posted by Brillopad

As regards the first paragraph we would all undoubtedly be or feel marginalised if we went to live in a different country especially one with a very different culture and if we made little effort to assimilate. Hardly that surprising.

But to make a comparison with women born and raised here with a history going back centuries in exactly the same way as their male counterparts and who make up an equal percentage of the population and yet are still made to feel marginalized and second-class is not the same. It is not a credible comparison. To suggest so is a bit rich to say the least, although actually not so amusing. So get of your high horse.

You are, rather ironically as a feminist, using a minoritising view towards an issue of social exclusion there. Rather than a marginalised group being the product of societal attitudes and structural oppression, it is their fault and their problem - 'made very little effort to assimilate. Hardly that surprising'. That's nice.

You've also, unsurprisingly, completely missed the point of my post. I recognised my privilege as a white, (temporarily) able-bodied male immediately, and agreed that those arguing that a man's position on issues of female oppression are only valid to a certain extent - do in fact have a point. I was merely noting that a few of the posters (and yes, you are one of them) who were making such arguments, are also ones who routinely feel it is their place to pass judgement on, denigrate or even minimise the discrimination and marginalisation that other groups face - of which they have no personal stake or experience in. Like I said, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot argue that it isn't a man's place to talk about feminism and then ten minutes later as a heterosexual non-Muslim start saying that Islamaphobia is not a problem, or that the LGBT+ community need to "get over" something. Either you wish people to recognise their privilege before passing comment on social injustices - which is a perfectly legitimate request - or disagree with the sentiment entirely. You don't get to pick and choose which social causes you and others get to comment on. That's a high horse you need to step down from.