[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But WHICH black people? WHICH women? The whole premise relies on the idea that all black people / all women have the same ideas, would go the same way, would set the same agenda. That they are the same, that they think the same things, have the same traits and ideas. I find that entire concept problematic in itself... That is the sort of thinking that LEADS to sexism. The concept that all members of "a grouping" have the same agenda is a form of prejudice in itself, whether that supposed agenda is a positive or negative one.

...I have no answer for which black people or which women, TS...because that’s kind of complicated in itself although it’s also quite simple as well......no, women don’t all have the same ideas and thoughts of how feminism and that equality that so many of us hope for can progress as it has to ...because the ‘goal’ as it were, has not yet been reached...and yeah, it’s obviously the thing for it all to keep that progression and minimise hindering if possible...just touching on Black lives Matter again, as being a similar thing..?...well not exactly BLM but what Spike Lee said when he talked about the Oscars and diversity in Hollywood and acting roles...and how it was important to have more black representation in that ‘decision making’/on the ground level as it were...of who gets parts and who doesn’t, and what ‘dictates’ and sets agendas, as it were, whether a part/character which has previously been portrayed as a white or as a male even, I guess would be more keeping with the topic...?...I mean if those rooms, those Hollywood rooms of decision making with these things have been mostly and predominantly ‘white’...then surely, the black voices become those that are important to have because white voices have prevented diversity, is what he’s saying...so then, we go around in circles.....because then, are we not giving those white voices and white decision makers etc, equality because the progress and diversity that we seek and hope for would mean giving the black voices the greater voice and say as it were, to try to ‘level’...yeah it doesn’t feel equal to me in what I feel feminism is, but maybe it’s a ‘necessity’ though, that sometimes things can’t always feel equal but they’re necessary...I’m not saying..that’s the best way, or that’s not the best way etc in my opinion...it’s just really that what Liv has said has set those old thoughts going again in opening up another percpective that I personally hadn’t been considering so much before but I think is really valid as well...