[arista]

After the Nukes by arabs go off
only White people will be around , after it.
Only a Selected amount go into the Bunkers.


So the long term future is white people.

[Tom]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

I would stand back, put on your hard hat and wait for the inevitable and predictable screams of "Racist" for daring to even articulate such a view

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Well, that's what should happen in an ideal world, it should be colourblind where race doesnt matter. After all, noone is defined by their skin colour, and no country should be either. I have a lot more in common with the Black guy in my year than I do a lot of white people, the race of any particular person isnt a problem unless its made into one.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well, that's what should happen in an ideal world, it should be colourblind where race doesnt matter. After all, noone is defined by their skin colour, and no country should be either. I have a lot more in common with the Black guy in my year than I do a lot of white people, the race of any particular person isnt a problem unless its made into one.

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Tom

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

Utter nonsense. Greece for one thing is populated mostly by ethnic turks, a legacy of the Ottoman empire with very few directly descended from the original Hellenic inhabitants. This doesn't detract from their bitter feelings towards Turkey in general and the disputed surrounding Cyprus.

And I can guarantee you ethnic minorities that have lived in the UK all their lives would sooner identify themselves as British than African or Caribbean. And quite right too. Skin colour should have nothing whatsoever to do with nationality.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Tom

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

Nah I'd say national identity defines a country, but colour doesn't factor into national identity.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Why?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Why?

Flipping that over to a more appropriate question, why should countries, not just Britain, lose their identity and be outnumbered by foreigners?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Tom

Flipping that over to a more appropriate question, why should countries, not just Britain, lose their identity and be outnumbered by foreigners?

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet?

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Exactly.

Well said.

[Tom4784]

It's ridiculous scare tactics, A lot of people migrate to other countries yes but for this to happen there'd have to be a mass exodus of white people. I didn't take this seriously at all, it's a silly article. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a daily mail reader

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's ridiculous scare tactics, A lot of people migrate to other countries yes but for this to happen there'd have to be a mass exodus of white people. I didn't take this seriously at all, it's a silly article. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a daily mail reader

I think it's simply a hypothetical prediction of the exponential birthrate of immigrants who, in the view of the author, tend to have larger families than that of white Britons. At the end of the day it's simply the opinion of one "expert" - but trying to squash the views of concerned white Britons by accusing them of racism for daring to want to debate this issue is counterproductive, since it only fosters suspicion and resentment. Far better to debate it openly and seriously with all parties.

One point I would make is that, in my experience, it isn't only white Britons who are concerned about the burgeoning population and rapidly changing face of Britain, but Britons from all ethnicities, especially those who are second and third generation immigrants who have been here for decades. Are they racist also for voicing their concern?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

I think it's simply a hypothetical prediction of the exponential birthrate of immigrants who, in the view of the author, tend to have larger families than that of white Britons. At the end of the day it's simply the opinion of one "expert" - but trying to squash the views of concerned white Britons by accusing them of racism for daring to want to debate this issue is counterproductive, since it only fosters suspicion and resentment. Far better to debate it openly and seriously with all parties.

One point I would make is that, in my experience, it isn't only white Britons who are concerned about the burgeoning population and rapidly changing face of Britain, but Britons from all ethnicities, especially those who are second and third generation immigrants who have been here for decades. Are they racist also for voicing their concern?

When pray do tell did I call him racist? Instead of attacking me on points that don't exist try and argue what's there...if you can.

I jusst think it's ridiculous and unlikely unless there was a mass Exodus or white people suddenly became infertile. Unless the families that are immigrating here are about the same ammount as the population of Luxembourg I can't see it happening . There'd need to be some sort of event to kickstart it really, it's not something that would occur naturally in that short amount of time.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

When pray do tell did I call him racist? Instead of attacking me on points that don't exist try and argue what's there...if you can.

I jusst think it's ridiculous and unlikely unless there was a mass Exodus or white people suddenly became infertile. Unless the families that are immigrating here are about the same ammount as the population of Luxembourg I can't see it happening . There'd need to be some sort of event to kickstart it really, it's not something that would occur naturally in that short amount of time.

I didn't actually say that YOU were accusing anyone of racism - I was actually pointing out that the views expressed in the article were merely those of one so called "expert". I absolutely agree that there is a degree of scaremongering going on, but the point I was making is that by surpressing legitimate debate by pooh poohing people's concerns is counterproductive - far better to just allow people to voice their concerns and put them straight with actual facts and figures.

Even if it were the case that white Britons WILL be a minority in this country in 50 odd years, the fact is that in the article, the intervening half century of change, adaptation and assimilation that would have to take place, has largely been disregarded as if it were irrelevant.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

I didn't actually say that YOU were accusing anyone of racism - I was actually pointing out that the views expressed in the article were merely those of one so called "expert". I absolutely agree that there is a degree of scaremongering going on, but the point I was making is that by surpressing legitimate debate by pooh poohing people's concerns is counterproductive - far better to just allow people to voice their concerns and put them straight with actual facts and figures.

Even if it were the case that white Britons WILL be a minority in this country in 50 odd years, the fact is that in the article, the intervening half century of change, adaptation and assimilation that would have to take place, has largely been disregarded as if it were irrelevant.

Oh okay, I getcha, sorry for taking a sarky tone.

I just don't think it can happen over such a short amount of time naturally, I think EVENTUALLY we'll have a more balanced ratio of races in the UK due to interracial relationships and such which is far from a bad thing. I can't see a change happening in 50 years though, it's too short for a natural change to occur.

[arista]

"daily mail "


No Dezzy
they are not that silly.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

"daily mail "


No Dezzy
they are not that silly.

Someone asked for the source of this article, it is not from a tabloid.
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.a...ntid=155283824

[Tom4784]

When it comes to our Identity it's always been influenced by outside countries, We'd have ended up completely different if it wasn't for the Romans, Vikings, Anglo Saxons and anybody else that invaded and left their mark in a way. We've always adapted large parts of our culture from other countries through the ages.

Our Identity isn't static, it's constantly changing and growing.

[Vicky.]

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

For convenience's sake? If I moved to, say, Germany with a friend or my family - would I continually speak to them in German?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

For convenience's sake? If I moved to, say, Germany with a friend or my family - would I continually speak to them in German?

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Well that's exactly my point - not many foreign-born people do speak perfect English, just as many of us don't speak another language perfectly. The difference is they NEEDED to move abroad to find work, we don't. They have enough to worry about other than judgmental English folk scolding them for not greeting every customer with an 'awright guv'nor?'

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Well that's exactly my point - not many foreign-born people do speak perfect English, just as many of us don't speak another language perfectly. The difference is they NEEDED to move abroad to find work, we don't. They have enough to worry about other than judgmental English folk scolding them for not greeting every customer with an 'awright guv'nor?'

Yes, but the example I gave, they DO speak perfect English. We are actually quite good mates with 3 of the 4 that work there, and have been out drinking and such with them

They just chose not to, and as I said, I can think of no reason at all to speak foreign around english customers at work...except to slag them off :S

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Its not a conversation involving you so you shouldn't be so nosey

As I said a few posts back I speak OK Spanish but still speak English when over there and with another English person. Its not ignorant, its just easier