[Tom]

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

I would stand back, put on your hard hat and wait for the inevitable and predictable screams of "Racist" for daring to even articulate such a view

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Well, that's what should happen in an ideal world, it should be colourblind where race doesnt matter. After all, noone is defined by their skin colour, and no country should be either. I have a lot more in common with the Black guy in my year than I do a lot of white people, the race of any particular person isnt a problem unless its made into one.

[Tom4784]

It's ridiculous scare tactics, A lot of people migrate to other countries yes but for this to happen there'd have to be a mass exodus of white people. I didn't take this seriously at all, it's a silly article. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a daily mail reader

[arista]

"daily mail "


No Dezzy
they are not that silly.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well, that's what should happen in an ideal world, it should be colourblind where race doesnt matter. After all, noone is defined by their skin colour, and no country should be either. I have a lot more in common with the Black guy in my year than I do a lot of white people, the race of any particular person isnt a problem unless its made into one.

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Why?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Why?

Flipping that over to a more appropriate question, why should countries, not just Britain, lose their identity and be outnumbered by foreigners?

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Tom

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

Utter nonsense. Greece for one thing is populated mostly by ethnic turks, a legacy of the Ottoman empire with very few directly descended from the original Hellenic inhabitants. This doesn't detract from their bitter feelings towards Turkey in general and the disputed surrounding Cyprus.

And I can guarantee you ethnic minorities that have lived in the UK all their lives would sooner identify themselves as British than African or Caribbean. And quite right too. Skin colour should have nothing whatsoever to do with nationality.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Tom

Countries are always defined on skin colour, its called national identity.

Nah I'd say national identity defines a country, but colour doesn't factor into national identity.

[Tom4784]

When it comes to our Identity it's always been influenced by outside countries, We'd have ended up completely different if it wasn't for the Romans, Vikings, Anglo Saxons and anybody else that invaded and left their mark in a way. We've always adapted large parts of our culture from other countries through the ages.

Our Identity isn't static, it's constantly changing and growing.

[Vicky.]

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's ridiculous scare tactics, A lot of people migrate to other countries yes but for this to happen there'd have to be a mass exodus of white people. I didn't take this seriously at all, it's a silly article. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a daily mail reader

I think it's simply a hypothetical prediction of the exponential birthrate of immigrants who, in the view of the author, tend to have larger families than that of white Britons. At the end of the day it's simply the opinion of one "expert" - but trying to squash the views of concerned white Britons by accusing them of racism for daring to want to debate this issue is counterproductive, since it only fosters suspicion and resentment. Far better to debate it openly and seriously with all parties.

One point I would make is that, in my experience, it isn't only white Britons who are concerned about the burgeoning population and rapidly changing face of Britain, but Britons from all ethnicities, especially those who are second and third generation immigrants who have been here for decades. Are they racist also for voicing their concern?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Utter nonsense. Greece for one thing is populated mostly by ethnic turks, a legacy of the Ottoman empire with very few directly descended from the original Hellenic inhabitants. This doesn't detract from their bitter feelings towards Turkey in general and the disputed surrounding Cyprus.

And I can guarantee you ethnic minorities that have lived in the UK all their lives would sooner identify themselves as British than African or Caribbean. And quite right too. Skin colour should have nothing whatsoever to do with nationality.

And because of the Greek/Turkey/Cyprus split, it just causes problems and its something already starting to be emulated here in the UK between Brits and some muslims. 9% of the UK are immigrants from allover and if we're already having these problems now then what is it going to be like when Brits are outnumbered?

Originally Posted by Zee

Nah I'd say national identity defines a country, but colour doesn't factor into national identity.

Yes it does, when you think of Jamaican people you think of black people, when you think of French people you think of white people. Its just illogical to think otherwise.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

Because its easier. I can speak pretty good Spanish (writing it is another matter though) but when I'm with English people in Spain and surrounded by Spanish people, I still speak English. Perhaps its not quite the same because some of them can speak English anyway and may understand but thats still a pretty ignorant view to take on.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Tom

Flipping that over to a more appropriate question, why should countries, not just Britain, lose their identity and be outnumbered by foreigners?

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet?

Yeah if anyone can live where they want then lets just let Abu Hamza stay in this country. Quite an extreme example to use and I don't mean to tar all immigrants like that but it flames your point in one go.

We might all be human but people also deserve an identity. I've got nothing against any immigrants that want to come over as long as they work and pay taxes but I do think a line is crossed when there are too many of them in proportion to Brits especially when they start disrespecting the culture (e.g. last weeks poppy burning thing). the UK is far too lenient in comparison to some other countries and its all thanks to the ridiculous PC movement that makes us sound like a Disney film where everyone and everything is equal.

[Patrick]

I just got a infraction for my post in this thread, ******ing ridiculous.

So everyone else can have a say, I give my views and it's 'Blatently Racism'.

Nah.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Exactly.

Well said.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

I think it's simply a hypothetical prediction of the exponential birthrate of immigrants who, in the view of the author, tend to have larger families than that of white Britons. At the end of the day it's simply the opinion of one "expert" - but trying to squash the views of concerned white Britons by accusing them of racism for daring to want to debate this issue is counterproductive, since it only fosters suspicion and resentment. Far better to debate it openly and seriously with all parties.

One point I would make is that, in my experience, it isn't only white Britons who are concerned about the burgeoning population and rapidly changing face of Britain, but Britons from all ethnicities, especially those who are second and third generation immigrants who have been here for decades. Are they racist also for voicing their concern?

When pray do tell did I call him racist? Instead of attacking me on points that don't exist try and argue what's there...if you can.

I jusst think it's ridiculous and unlikely unless there was a mass Exodus or white people suddenly became infertile. Unless the families that are immigrating here are about the same ammount as the population of Luxembourg I can't see it happening . There'd need to be some sort of event to kickstart it really, it's not something that would occur naturally in that short amount of time.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Patrick

I just got a infraction for my post in this thread, ******ing ridiculous.

So everyone else can have a say, I give my views and it's 'Blatently Racism'.

Nah.

If you can't see why you got that infraction then there's very little hope for you.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet?

If this is the truth, why then do immigrants insist on clinging on to their "identity, culture and language" and in fact demand the right to do so? That was a hypothetical question, because the answer is simple. Just as you are a member of your own family with shared history, habits, traditions etc, so you are also a member of society in a country with shared history, habits, traditions, culture etc. Everyone needs an identity and a need to belong - we all need to connect to each other, it is a basic human need.

What causes tension is that some immigrants are not prepared to integrate into the host culture and wish to cling on to their old way of life which is often at odds with ours, and occasionally even illegal or immoral compared to ours. Can you not understand that Britons, whether white or second,third fourth etc generation immigrants, also love our British culture, traditions, history and way of life and have no wish to relinquish them? What is wrong, perverse or racist about that?

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you can't see why you got that infraction then there's very little hope for you.

Because a mod disagreed with one of my views clearly

I'm fed up with everyone else being able to give their opinions, I give mine and it's made out as if I just shot someone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Because a mod disagreed with one of my views clearly

I'm fed up with everyone else being able to give their opinions, I give mine and it's made out as if I just shot someone.

Because you were being racist, I've sent you a PM pointing out the problem areas of the post. If you can't see what's wrong after that then I can't help you. We don't mod people when we disagree with a post only when it breaks the rules of the forum.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

When pray do tell did I call him racist? Instead of attacking me on points that don't exist try and argue what's there...if you can.

I jusst think it's ridiculous and unlikely unless there was a mass Exodus or white people suddenly became infertile. Unless the families that are immigrating here are about the same ammount as the population of Luxembourg I can't see it happening . There'd need to be some sort of event to kickstart it really, it's not something that would occur naturally in that short amount of time.

I didn't actually say that YOU were accusing anyone of racism - I was actually pointing out that the views expressed in the article were merely those of one so called "expert". I absolutely agree that there is a degree of scaremongering going on, but the point I was making is that by surpressing legitimate debate by pooh poohing people's concerns is counterproductive - far better to just allow people to voice their concerns and put them straight with actual facts and figures.

Even if it were the case that white Britons WILL be a minority in this country in 50 odd years, the fact is that in the article, the intervening half century of change, adaptation and assimilation that would have to take place, has largely been disregarded as if it were irrelevant.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Tom

Yes it does, when you think of Jamaican people you think of black people, when you think of French people you think of white people. Its just illogical to think otherwise.

I dont particularly. And what about a country like Russia that is home to 150 or so different ethnicities, would they simply be classed as a white country?