[lostalex]

I wonder what the soldiers did to Osama Bin Ladens body before they threw him overboard in the middle of the Gulf. I think it's pretty certain they didn't have much respect for that madman's body eigther.

Let's be fair.

If someone was responsible for the deaths of your friends and families, is pissing on the graves of their killers really that wrong?

If someone killed my friends and family, i'd kill them and piss on their graves too. I wouldn't video tape it and put it on youtube though.

I'm more concerned about the propaganda factor than the actual act of pissing on them.

[Marc]

There's no fair and there's no getting back at people. It's disgusting whatever 'side' you're on.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marc

There's no fair and there's no getting back at people. It's disgusting whatever 'side' you're on.

..but we're the "good guys"

you need to watch more hollywood movies...

[Tom4784]

There's no defending this, The whole 'oh but the Taliban wouldn't treat our dead with respect' point people have been saying is just repugnant. Just because the Taliban don't always fight fair doesn't mean it gives the right for the forces to commit acts like this. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why should we lower ourselves to their standards? It'd just void everything we're trying to achieve in Afghanistan.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no defending this, The whole 'oh but the Taliban wouldn't treat our dead with respect' point people have been saying is just repugnant. Just because the Taliban don't always fight fair doesn't mean it gives the right for the forces to commit acts like this. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why should we lower ourselves to their standards? It'd just void everything we're trying to achieve in Afghanistan.

Is pissing on a dead person really that bad though? I mean they are already dead. Whther they went to "paradise" to have sex with 72 virgins, or whether they are burning in hell for all eternity, eigther way they are long gone from this world. Every cell in their bodies will melt back into the earth, with or without being pissed on.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Is pissing on a dead person really that bad though? I mean they are already dead. Whther they went to "paradise" to have sex with 72 virgins, or whether they are burning in hell for all eternity, eigther way they are long gone from this world. Every cell in their bodies will melt back into the earth, with or without being pissed on.

ITS BAD because you are supposed to respect the dead, no matter what, even executed criminals, gets a proper respect and burial.
I thing everyone will agree, that its 'THAT BAD". The only thing is, I am not surprised, that it does happen.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

ITS BAD because you are supposed to respect the dead, no matter what, even executed criminals, gets a proper respect and burial.
I thing everyone will agree, that its 'THAT BAD". The only thing is, I am not surprised, that it does happen.

i didn't say it's not bad, I asked is it THAT bad...

Is it comparable to waterboarding live human beings? i think not.

Is it comparable to the Abuse of live prisoners in Abu Graib? i think not.

I'm just sayin it's not THAT bad.

I remember like 4 or 5 years ago there a video of a US marine throwing a dog off a cliff. Is this even as bad as that? i don't think so.

Compared to the other scandals in the "war on terrorism" it doesn't seem THAT bad to me.

It's wrong, but is it THAT wrong?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

ITS BAD because you are supposed to respect the dead, no matter what, even executed criminals, gets a proper respect and burial.
I thing everyone will agree, that its 'THAT BAD". The only thing is, I am not surprised, that it does happen.

dude, they just shot them dead with a high powered rifle. I would think that respect may take a back seat here


i would be looking for the pre-death respect

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no defending this, The whole 'oh but the Taliban wouldn't treat our dead with respect' point people have been saying is just repugnant. Just because the Taliban don't always fight fair doesn't mean it gives the right for the forces to commit acts like this. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why should we lower ourselves to their standards? It'd just void everything we're trying to achieve in Afghanistan.

Yes exactly, it's madness to be in Afghanistan on the basis of bringing democracy to the country and then go and try and downplay this act as if it doesn't go against everything they're supposedly fighting for. That doesn't just make it disgusting, it makes it hypocritical as well.

And let's not forget that despoiling the dead is also illegal under both the Geneva convention and under US military law, they will hopefully face prosecution

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

.......And let's not forget that despoiling the dead is also illegal under both the Geneva convention and under US military law, they will hopefully face prosecution

Perhaps someone will be good enough to send a copy of the Geneva Convention to the Taliban.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Perhaps someone will be good enough to send a copy of the Geneva Convention to the Taliban.

Bit of a moot point, the Taliban have never claimed to uphold the Geneva convention as the US do, or make such things illegal under their own military law. It doesn't seem much of an argument to me to say that "well the Taliban do it to", the Taliban also use suicide bombings but that wouldn't be a justification for NATO forces to start using them

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Perhaps someone will be good enough to send a copy of the Geneva Convention to the Taliban.

If we lower ourselves to commit such acts then tell me, what makes us any better then them?

Originally Posted by Livia

It's easy to sit safely at home and say things like this.

It's also easy not to piss over corpses but it didn't stop these soldiers didn't it?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes exactly, it's madness to be in Afghanistan on the basis of bringing democracy to the country and then go and try and downplay this act as if it doesn't go against everything they're supposedly fighting for. That doesn't just make it disgusting, it makes it hypocritical as well.

And let's not forget that despoiling the dead is also illegal under both the Geneva convention and under US military law, they will hopefully face prosecution

the geneva conventions are a joke, as is the UN, when's the last time western europe or the UN actually got stuck in to solve a problem. IF the UN did it's job then maybe the Iraq and Afghan wars would never have happened. If the UN actually did any thing at all, why does no one ask, why isn't the UN actually doing **** to stop wars???

WHat has the UN done against the taliban everytime they break the Geneva conventions??? Abosolutely NOTHING.

The UN is a pathetic joke.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the geneva conventions are a joke, as is the UN, when's the last time western europe or the UN actually got stuck in to solve a problem. IF the UN did it's job then maybe the Iraq and Afghan wars would never have happened. If the UN actually did any thing at all, why does no one ask, why isn't the UN actually doing **** to stop wars???

WHat has the UN done against the taliban everytime they break the Geneva conventions??? Abosolutely NOTHING.

Are the US Military Laws a joke?

The UN is currently involved in 16 peacekeeping missions worldwide, a lot of them in places most people don't give a sh*t about or aren't reported

And see my above post, plus it's quite hard to actually prosecute the Taliban given the circumstances. We just kill them instead.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Are the US Military Laws a joke?

The UN is currently involved in 16 peacekeeping missions worldwide, a lot of them in places most people don't give a sh*t about or aren't reported

And see my above post, plus it's quite hard to actually prosecute the Taliban given the circumstances. We just kill them instead.

Yea and alot of those peace keeping missions, we hear about the "peacekeepers" raping little girls and spreading diseases, so what's yur point??
The relief effort in Haiti, led by UN peacekeepers, the UN brought Cholera into Haiti, how many times have we heard about the UN peacekeepers being accused of pedophilia and rape in Africa?? too many to count.

The UN "peacekeepers" are much worse than anything we've seen from US and NATO troops.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no defending this, The whole 'oh but the Taliban wouldn't treat our dead with respect' point people have been saying is just repugnant. Just because the Taliban don't always fight fair doesn't mean it gives the right for the forces to commit acts like this. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why should we lower ourselves to their standards? It'd just void everything we're trying to achieve in Afghanistan.

It's easy to sit safely at home and say things like this.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no defending this, The whole 'oh but the Taliban wouldn't treat our dead with respect' point people have been saying is just repugnant. Just because the Taliban don't always fight fair doesn't mean it gives the right for the forces to commit acts like this. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why should we lower ourselves to their standards? It'd just void everything we're trying to achieve in Afghanistan.

We all agree, that its disgusting and appaling. Its safe to say, most people would never do such a thing. My point is, it does happen, all the time, in war situations, on any side. So, I am not shocked watsoever. This is a reason, to avoid putting people in those situations, at all costs. Soldiers commit atrocities, they sometimes kill, or see innocent civilians being killed. So they are all somewhat, scared for life, because they would never do such a thing otherwise. These are usually regular people, some just teenagers wanting to get paid. Because you make good money, if youre deployed. But the things that they see, and do, turn them into neanderthals. Not saying everyone has done such things, directly. But they've all seen it, or been around it. Only because o the soldiers code, they dont put it in any reports. Unfortunately, people like to film everything these days, thats why, more and more are revealed now. But its nothing new, or surprising.

[CharlieO]

Put all men together in an army this is what you get. Men will always try to act like 'lads' in front of each other to impress. Though I am truly disgusted by this.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i didn't say it's not bad, I asked is it THAT bad...

Is it comparable to waterboarding live human beings? i think not.

Is it comparable to the Abuse of live prisoners in Abu Graib? i think not.

I'm just sayin it's not THAT bad.

I remember like 4 or 5 years ago there a video of a US marine throwing a dog off a cliff. Is this even as bad as that? i don't think so.

Compared to the other scandals in the "war on terrorism" it doesn't seem THAT bad to me.

It's wrong, but is it THAT wrong?

There are different degrees on wrongness, torture may be deemed necessary in order to obtain information that could save lives, note the word could, Sometimes it doesnt.

Abuse of live prisoners is as wrong as body desecration, creates the same results, hate from the people we need on our side.

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Put all men together in an army this is what you get. Men will always try to act like 'lads' in front of each other to impress. Though I am truly disgusted by this.

Sorry Charlie but thats garbage. Its not about acting the lad or being macho

Its caused by the elation of still being alive when rounds are flying and others are dying.

Its about the feelings after action of guilt and pure and utter happinesss not to be lying either dead or covered in your own blood and s**t.

During any sort of combat the adrenaline flows as do other hormones and chemicals.

Afterwards you come down fast, but you are still buzzing. Only problem is the normal inhibitions we impose have been loosened by the buzz and fear. You sit giggling, minor things are hilarious, you are floating in something called the joie de vivre - the ecstatic elation of being alive.

Dont think this posing thing is anything new, its happened during and after battles throughout history, only difference is nowadays the troops carry mobile phones with cameras or even hand held DV recorders.

[Glenn.]

-thinks its funny-

[Me. I Am Salman]

sick vile twats
there is no way of condoning this sort of behaviour AT ALL.

[Me. I Am Salman]

theyre making problems for america worse.

[Mystic Mock]

Why did they urinate on dead bodies for? it's unnecessary and vulgar.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Why did they urinate on dead bodies for? it's unnecessary and vulgar.

Possibly to show their contempt for the enemy that they had just taken out in a firefight. To show how macho they were and to pose for the prat with the camera.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Possibly to show their contempt for the enemy that they had just taken out in a firefight. To show how macho they were and to pose for the prat with the camera.

It's just vile though,afterall those Afghans was only following orders from currupt higher ups in Al Qaeda.