[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

I like the twins as well.I think they are heading for a career in the UK.Good luck to them.

Not if that perisher on BOTS has got anything to do with it cant stand the bloke. Was it a fair assessment last night for BOTS to give Denise her appraisal by a friend who really felt for her and then give that other idiot the right to praise the twins, he didnt!!! He criticised them and the Americans. Not fair BOTS, not at all.

[Suze]

Michael and the Twin's are making this show for me. Am so glad they lasted into the finals week

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Half the housemates might as well be potted plants. The only people that seem to be doing anything on their own accord are the twins. Aside from them, it was entertaining watching Michael talking to himself and love it that Denise was stunned that Michael stayed over Kirk and Natalie. Everyone else is just kind of hanging around. Even Gareth(?) only did something because it was his task to do it.

One of the things I notice is the twins are getting a weird amount of criticism for plotting and playing the game. Why do people fault them for wanting to last a little longer in the house and to save their own necks? Everyone is playing the game even if they don't admit it. It seems to me the rest of house has made a decision to gang up on the Americans and the twins are trying to do something about it. Is it really such a bad thing for them to WANT to advance themselves and get closer to winning? Are they all supposed to be on there and not care about winning? They all care about winning and they are all playing the game and twins seem to be the only ones that are open about it.

Good post, I am British but I would like Michael or the twins to win. They are great.

[Niamh.]

The Twins and Michael have made the show this year imo. It's true that in past years the British public didn't like game players, but I think that attitude is changing, especially since BB moved to channel 5 and the forums seem to have more of a say on how things pan out in there.

The Twins may be confident but then so was Natalie, she was convinced she was staying last friday, so why is that not big headed but the twins are?

Also, people have said Michael and the twins are bullies but what about the clique in there? all ganging up and being quite nasty to Georgia in there, the Twins were the only ones decent to her. Then Natalie had the cheek to say that she felt hurt when the twins nominated her, yet she nominated them......along with nearly everyone else, how does she think they feel?

[lostalex]

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh they're so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh their so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

No, not all the women. Just the British ones in the house - they are an embarrassment to be honest.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh they're so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

Very true Alex.

[wendywillow]

i like the twins because theyre funny and not what youd expect....that theyre full of themselves is beyond the point....you cant take them seriously (i mean they actually thought the applause on eviction night decided who would be voted out a while ago)....

[Suze]

Originally Posted by wendywillow

i like the twins because theyre funny and not what youd expect....that theyre full of themselves is beyond the point....you cant take them seriously (i mean they actually thought the applause on eviction night decided who would be voted out a while ago)....

I honestly can't see that they are any more arrogant than a lot of housemates who do BB, and arrogance up to a certain point doesn't bother me, it sometimes makes a housemate that little bit more interesting, rather than just being wallpaper. After all arrogance must be a big part of why a majority are chosen for BBs in the first place, as the producers know that would give many of us decent viewing.

[lostalex]

Well i think we disagree about the definition of racism, which is fine, because like i said, it's turned into more of a political catch-all term, and it's confusing for a lot of people.

I think i've put more thought into it than you have though.

i really appreciate the fact that we've been able to have such a mature conversation about it though. A Lot of people on this forum are not able to have such a respectful conversation about such a controversial issue,. So i praise and appreciate you for that.

[smartalec2718]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well i think we disagree about the definition of racism, which is fine, because like i said, it's turned into more of a political catch-all term, and it's confusing for a lot of people.

I think i've put more thought into it than you have though.

i really appreciate the fact that we've been able to have such a mature conversation about it though. A Lot of people on this forum are not able to have such a respectful conversation about such a controversial issue,. So i praise and appreciate you for that.

Lostalex, I have never really agreed with you on much, and I have to disagree with you again here. "Racism" means discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, and "race" refers to common descent, ancestry, or heredity. The classification system used to subdivide people into races depends on observable characteristics like heritable phenotypes (basic physical variations like eye color, etc.), geographic ancestry, physical appearance, and ethnicity. Race does NOT have to do with culture and nationality, as you claim. An American of Polish descent and a Polish national have different cultures and nationalities, but they're of the same race because they're from a common ancestry.

If I were to ask you what the typical "American" looks like, you'd probably tell me that's a dumb question, right? America is an incredibly diverse place founded and populated by immigrants from the world over, representing tons of different ethnic groups. Everyone in America certainly doesn't come from the same origin, so it would be erroneous to say there is an "American race". An American culture, identity, nationality, sure - but not a race. Racism, then, is a feeling of superiority or a tendency to persecute based on differences in origin/ancestry. So it's impossible to be racist against Americans as a whole - maybe you meant prejudiced or discriminatory towards.

Just there are two differing opinions on an issue doesn't mean one is objectively right. And though it wasn't directed at me, I was struck by the presumptuousness of your claim that "I think I've put more thought into it than you." That seems needlessly arrogant, even for you.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by smartalec2718

Lostalex, I have never really agreed with you on much, and I have to disagree with you again here. "Racism" means discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, and "race" refers to common descent, ancestry, or heredity. The classification system used to subdivide people into races depends on observable characteristics like heritable phenotypes (basic physical variations like eye color, etc.), geographic ancestry, physical appearance, and ethnicity. Race does NOT have to do with culture and nationality, as you claim. An American of Polish descent and a Polish national have different cultures and nationalities, but they're of the same race because they're from a common ancestry.

If I were to ask you what the typical "American" looks like, you'd probably tell me that's a dumb question, right? America is an incredibly diverse place founded and populated by immigrants from the world over, representing tons of different ethnic groups. Everyone in America certainly doesn't come from the same origin, so it would be erroneous to say there is an "American race". An American culture, identity, nationality, sure - but not a race. Racism, then, is a feeling of superiority or a tendency to persecute based on differences in origin/ancestry. So it's impossible to be racist against Americans as a whole - maybe you meant prejudiced or discriminatory towards.

Just there are two differing opinions on an issue doesn't mean one is objectively right. And though it wasn't directed at me, I was struck by the presumptuousness of your claim that "I think I've put more thought into it than you." That seems needlessly arrogant, even for you.

Well you are wrong. there are White africans, there are Black europeans, and there are people who identify as white or black, even though people might perceieve them to be the opposite of what they idenify with. Colour has nothing to do with race, because there is no race, geneteticists have already proven that. If you can figure out anyone who is a specific race then you should call a scientist, because scientists have not been able to identify a singular race at all. We're all mixed "race" and therefore it's all about self-identity and culture, nothing to do with any kind of real "race". that's the truth.

When people use the word racism, they actually are talking about prejudice.

[Carniala]

Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Carniala

Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beutiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

they are not wrong.

And please tell me anything they've done that was nasty. How have they been mean or nasty to anyone??? They havn't.

[saiwong]

Originally Posted by Carniala

all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

I think this type of statement is a cultural thing.

In the UK we may be brought up to say something like :

"If I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

however, in America you may be brought up to say something like :

"When I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

Using 'When' instead of "If" may be considered arrogant and big headed.
However, the culture in the USA is positive thinking. It is not "if" you are
going to pass your exams, it is "when" you pass your exams.
This can backfire, when heard by people from different nations and
perceived as being cocky and arrogant.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by saiwong

I think this type of statement is a cultural thing.

In the UK we may be brought up to say something like :

"If I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

however, in America you may be brought up to say something like :

"When I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

Using 'When' instead of "If" may be considered arrogant and big headed.
However, the culture in the USA is positive thinking. It is not "if" you are
going to pass your exams, it is "when" you pass your exams.
This can backfire, when heard by people from different nations and
perceived as being cocky and arrogant.

I totally agree and I do believe in positive thinking. Doesnt hurt to try

Originally Posted by Jules2

I totally agree and I do believe in positive thinking. Doesnt hurt to try

American children rank number one in the world when it comes to confidence, but 37th when it comes to actual achievement. I'll try and dig out the survey I read a while back.

[jasper]

Originally Posted by Carniala

Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Carniala

Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

EXCELLENT !and I dont even think they are pretty,never mind beautiful, as you say beauty starts within and these 2 are rank rotten ,Karissa could be a Gail Platt lookalike chinless wonder !! not pretty,not nice

[fitz2k2]

get out of my mind charles! lol

[billy123]

If behaving like a snidey **** is admired in america you can keep it we dont want it over here.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bobnot

If behaving like a snidey **** is admired in america you can keep it we dont want it over here.

[DigitalMethod]

What i find ironic is the apparent bi-polar disorder most "voters" seem to suffer from. I mean, for example on BOTS at first they were all for Romeo, now they (rightfully) are starting to turn on him. Interesting, they (and most user here) continue to preach that it's about entertainment value and how they want people in the house that will start sh*t.
Now here we have a situation where someone has done exactly that (the twins) and oddly the public seems to have lost some of its "twin fever" and Frankie is now favored to win. How funny that the one person last night who was trying to defuse the situation is now all of a sudden in everyone's good graces? Laughable.

If you want drama then you dont back the person in the house who is trying to stop the drama from happening. It's clearly a sheep mentality the voting public (seem) to follow, unable to stick to a solid opinion.