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Kizzy · 16-10-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

so maybe we should stop the media from propping up sports stars as heroes, ever consider that? maybe we should prop up scientists as heroes, is that crazy?

I've considered the thread topic, and commented on that.

Crimson Dynamo · 16-10-2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sportsmen and women are ambassadors of sorts and they are looked up to, they always have been seen as positive role models. This would send out a very odd message imo.

Yes but only to adults, I doubt any 8 year old boy would understand

The role model bit comes on the pitch not off it.

alex_front2 · 16-10-2014, 02:58 PM

He's served his time, time to move on. The pitch fork feminazis are actually makeing me feel sorry for Ched.

AnnieK · 16-10-2014, 03:04 PM

Mmm its a tough one this. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act is there to protect people who have committed a crime, served their sentence and want to return a workplace. There are few places where, had he not been famous, he would have had to declare this sentence unless he was applying for a position that is exempt from the Act - the Forces, NHS, Police, working with certain categories of people - children, vulnerable adults etc and so is it fair that once rehabilitated by prison the very nature of who he is not what he did should stop him from returning to his previous career? It wouldn't stop other people and his name will be forever tarnished and maybe if he is allowed to return it will show young offenders that if you do do your time and keep your nose clean, your life doesn't have to stop forever. I know people will jump on me for that because the victims life has been affected forever but he has been punished and undertaken the sentence as declared by the court......

Ramsay · 16-10-2014, 03:13 PM

No. **** him.

Niamh. · 16-10-2014, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramsay

No. **** him.

You feminazi

MTVN · 16-10-2014, 04:38 PM

Fact is really that for all their public prominence sports stars often aren't great people, and shouldn't be expected to be squeaky clean role models for kids to look up to. Evans would not be alone in continuing his career after a serious crime, at Forest Green one of our star strikers Lee Hughes did three years for death by dangerous driving. Over in the states the NFL has got all sorts of scumbags still playing; you'll find them in most sports if not on the same scale.

The nature of his career means he's sort of in the public eye (though at the very best he'd be returning to a League 1 club) but I don't think that alone is reason to heap extra punishment on him once he's served his sentence. Leave it as a moral decision for any club who might want to sign him but don't physically bar him from football completely.

Mystic Mock · 16-10-2014, 05:32 PM

Footballers think that they can get away with whatever they want to, they need to use him as an example and ban him as his life should be affected forever after what he did to that girl, and it would teach other Footballers a lesson not to make the same mistake that Ched Evans made.

lostalex · 16-10-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Footballers think that they can get away with whatever they want to, they need to use him as an example and ban him as his life should be affected forever after what he did to that girl, and it would teach other Footballers a lesson not to make the same mistake that Ched Evans made.

yea, that's not how justice works. You can't punish a footballer for what other footballers MIGHT do in the future.

I do agree that footballers should be taken down a few pegs, but that's the job of the league and the media, you can't do it by just punishing this one person. He shouldn't be made a scapegoat for all of the problems in our sport and media culture.

Mystic Mock · 16-10-2014, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, that's not how justice works. You can't punish a footballer for what other footballers MIGHT do in the future.

I do agree that footballers should be taken down a few pegs, but that's the job of the league and the media, you can't do it by just punishing this one person. He shouldn't be made a scapegoat for all of the problems in our sport and media culture.

I'm saying that the English FA and any other Football Associations need to ban anyone that commits a really serious crime, starting with this Ched Evans as his the most recent case.

Footballers and criminals in general should not go back to their lives as normal if they have affected someone elses life on purpose as what sort of punishment is that? Especially considering Ched Evans only spent a few years in prison anyway with the cosy XBOX, so I doubt his been punished that badly.

lostalex · 16-10-2014, 05:54 PM

but if you just focus on him, and really put his nose to the grindstone, he becomes a scapegoat and everyone gets to go on as normal thinking, oh we took care of him so we have solved the problem. that's not addressing the systematic problems in the league and the media.

It's like the jimmy saville case, we can all focus all the attention on him and horrible he was, but how many real changes have been made systematically at the BBC? none. Name one thing that's changed at the BBC after that whole fiasco? nothing, we just all think, ohh he's just one bad egg, even with all the evidence that it was systematic and that the BBC covered it up and must have covered up countless other stars, nothing has changed in the system. same for the catholic church. when you just focus on specific cases it does no good.

The systems in place create the permissive environment for these monsters to thrive. The media, the environment gives them a playground.

Novo · 16-10-2014, 06:32 PM

Would he be in any condition to do so anyway? but personally I don't think I would want him if I owned or managed a club same with Lee Hughes, I wouldn't hold it against other clubs though, just seems to much baggage for it to be worth the time I suppose with Lee Hughes though he got his head back on the game and had a successful career at Notts County so their can be light at the end of the tunnel for people in these situations if others are willing to give them a chance, not sure I could do though. like others have said though he has served his time so he should he at least allowed to get his life back on track now, maybe he's a scumbag but he's still a human being with rights

Shaun · 16-10-2014, 07:17 PM

I voted no from the football club's point of view. I wouldn't dream of signing him; it's a PR nightmare and whilst he's indeed served his sentence it's always going to antagonise fans, and it's a pretty poor message to the victim of him. I'm not sure on the issue really, I just wouldn't sign him.

user104658 · 16-10-2014, 07:28 PM

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I voted no from the football club's point of view. I wouldn't dream of signing him; it's a PR nightmare and whilst he's indeed served his sentence it's always going to antagonise fans, and it's a pretty poor message to the victim of him. I'm not sure on the issue really, I just wouldn't sign him.

That is, of course, a completely separate issue to him being "allowed". Of course no one should be forced to sign him to their team. But that's different to it being disallowed.

Shaun · 16-10-2014, 11:26 PM

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That is, of course, a completely separate issue to him being "allowed". Of course no one should be forced to sign him to their team. But that's different to it being disallowed.

I know

He should be allowed, but I think clubs would be wise to avoid him.

the truth · 17-10-2014, 01:11 AM

of course he should be allowed to play football, what an absurd question

Redway · 17-10-2014, 02:06 PM

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of course he should be allowed to play football, what an absurd question

It sparks a nationwide moral debate, hardly an absurd question. Then again coming from someone like you I'm not surprised.

user104658 · 16-10-2014, 07:26 PM

"Playing Footie" is not a position of care / responsibility so, yes, he should be able to continue doing it once he has served his sentence. If an ex-con can't go back to something like that then, surely, you're basically saying that they can't do anything ever again. It's basically the least important job in the world.

Kizzy · 16-10-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Playing Footie" is not a position of care / responsibility so, yes, he should be able to continue doing it once he has served his sentence. If an ex-con can't go back to something like that then, surely, you're basically saying that they can't do anything ever again. It's basically the least important job in the world.

I disagree with that, they may not ask to be but they are looked up to by many fans of all ages. They are required to behave in a way that will not bring the club or the sport into disrepute, as the top sportspersons in their field their job is important to reflect how those associated with football in the UK behave.

user104658 · 17-10-2014, 07:11 AM

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I disagree with that, they may not ask to be but they are looked up to by many fans of all ages. They are required to behave in a way that will not bring the club or the sport into disrepute, as the top sportspersons in their field their job is important to reflect how those associated with football in the UK behave.

That may well be the official line but, let's face it, it's not the reality... Most high level footballers are a shower of *****. He'll fit right back in.

lily. · 17-10-2014, 07:15 AM

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That may well be the official line but, let's face it, it's not the reality... Most high level footballers are a shower of *****. He'll fit right back in.

Ain't that the truth. lol

Locke. · 16-10-2014, 07:32 PM

Obviously it's not speaking for all their fans, but their biggest forum are 70% in favour of resigning him - http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php...s-or-no.36371/