[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom

Its not a conversation involving you so you shouldn't be so nosey

As I said a few posts back I speak OK Spanish but still speak English when over there and with another English person. Its not ignorant, its just easier

OK spanish is a little different to perfect though, and surely if you had a business in spain you would make the effort to try and speak spanish to the non-english speaking folk who were spending money?

As for the first bit, yeah, far too nosey for my own good

[lime]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

I find your post very interesting from personal experience.My first language is Afrikaans and I 've been living in Ireland since '99.I am perfectly capable of speaking English in fact i only speak Afrikaans when I get home after work to family or if i am on the phone to family or friends.
In the past couple of years whilst I'm on the phone speaking Afrikaans I've had 3 occasions were people have shouted at me to go home to Poland(whilst I'm sure it's a lovely country ,I have never been there).
First occasion was I stopped off at shop on way home from work,went to get a trolley.I was on the phone to my kids asking them to check did we need milk /bread etc when the hoody brigade start shouting at me.I was quite frightened by this and just got in my car and drove home.Another time my son 19 had to get of the luas on his way to college as he could be heard speaking Afrikaans to his brother on phone and some scumbags started to threaten him and the usual calling him fcuking foreigner.

Whilst I know that these individuals are just ignorant and put these experiences down to that as all my Irish friends have told me to I'm know starting to think I may be a bit green around the gills.

In my home country SA there are so many languages it never bothers me if i here people speaking in a language I don't understand and I genuinely did not think that others would be offended if I spoke my own language to my family /friends in English speaking countries.TBH I don't understand why it is??
You say you see no other reason for these people to speak their own language to each other than bitch about customers????
When I have been to France/Spain etc I have often encountered English speaking people who have emigrated there who freely speak English to each other and I guess the French/Spanish find it also a problem but I just don't see why.I don't get why people find it a problem if they encounter a person or people speaking in a conversation that doesn't involve them in a language they don't understand??

[Patrick]

I just got a infraction for my post in this thread, ******ing ridiculous.

So everyone else can have a say, I give my views and it's 'Blatently Racism'.

Nah.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Patrick

I just got a infraction for my post in this thread, ******ing ridiculous.

So everyone else can have a say, I give my views and it's 'Blatently Racism'.

Nah.

If you can't see why you got that infraction then there's very little hope for you.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you can't see why you got that infraction then there's very little hope for you.

Because a mod disagreed with one of my views clearly

I'm fed up with everyone else being able to give their opinions, I give mine and it's made out as if I just shot someone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Because a mod disagreed with one of my views clearly

I'm fed up with everyone else being able to give their opinions, I give mine and it's made out as if I just shot someone.

Because you were being racist, I've sent you a PM pointing out the problem areas of the post. If you can't see what's wrong after that then I can't help you. We don't mod people when we disagree with a post only when it breaks the rules of the forum.

[Beso]

Hey where did my post go..god, sorry for the caps, usually they change into small case anyway..

What I was sayoing is i'm pig sick of hearing people who live in happy town where trees are green and birds don't **** how they don't care what colour or language people spk..wait until it happens to you and your happy little dream world without your local councdil giving you a say or a thank you or whatever then lets see you hum the waltons tune on a day to day basis..

[Jamietwo]

I don't care what colour people are , I'm more concerned if they are friendly and polite and the crime levels etc. I'm not bothered about Polish immigrants at all, but there have been government reports about alarming crime levels by people who are of afro Caribbean descent. I've lived in areas where the population was majority afro Caribbean, never again, the homophobia and attitude was intolerable, my best mate was covered in petrol and set on fire and he isn't even camp or anything. The whole gangsta drugs violence absent father culture is intolerable. Anyway i'm moving to another country next year.

[Shaun]

Don't suppose this happens to come from The Sun or the Daily Mail, does it?

[Niall]

This is from the Daily Mai- sorry Fail right?

So why are we listening to them? Its a pile of poo. The government have actually begun to listen to the facts on immigration now and if they have well over 50 years to sort the mess out then why is everyone getting so hot and bothered about it?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

'white' britons?

[GiRTh]

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

I think this is a very valid point - white Britons who have grown up in multicultural Britain will, for the most part, be unlikely to be worried about any loss of identity, since the British identity they have known all their lives is closely entwined with that of many other ethnicities.

However, this is still Britain, with it's own rich history, traditions, ceremonies etc.,contributed to and enhanced by immigrant culture over a much longer and protracted timespan than the mere 50 odd years we have recently lived through. So long as these traditions are respected and perpetuated, alongside those of other ethnicities I can see a future, a hundred years hence, when our British heritage will have assimilated all such influences, as it has always done throughout the centuries.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

Maybe we should just pull any iconic buildings down if they're in the way etc or falling apart, after all none of us were about when these things within British heritage were built/started

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Tom

Maybe we should just pull any iconic buildings down if they're in the way etc or falling apart, after all none of us were about when these things within British heritage were built/started

I dont see the point you're tying to make. How does the tearing down of an historic building compare to hanging onto a culture that has not existed for at least sixty years?

Originally Posted by angus58

I think this is a very valid point - white Britons who have grown up in multicultural Britain will, for the most part, be unlikely to be worried about any loss of identity, since the British identity they have known all their lives is closely entwined with that of many other ethnicities.

However, this is still Britain, with it's own rich history, traditions, ceremonies etc.,contributed to and enhanced by immigrant culture over a much longer and protracted timespan than the mere 50 odd years we have recently lived through. So long as these traditions are respected and perpetuated, alongside those of other ethnicities I can see a future, a hundred years hence, when our British heritage will have assimilated all such influences, as it has always done throughout the centuries.

Totally agree.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I dont see the point you're tying to make. How does the tearing down of an historic building compare to hanging onto a culture that has not existed for at least sixty years?

You were saying whats the point in keeping a culture that doesn't exist and noone was around for, but thats akin to saying why keep heritage and other aspects of culture that noone was initially around for and only know the history of it?

And I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, all I'm saying is immigrants should never outnumber the native race of a country and that if immigrants do move over here then respect our culture and don't try to make it like your own, which large minority of immigrants are currently doing and the overly PC government lets this happen.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Tom

You were saying whats the point in keeping a culture that doesn't exist and noone was around for, but thats akin to saying why keep heritage and other aspects of culture that noone was initially around for and only know the history of it?

And I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, all I'm saying is immigrants should never outnumber the native race of a country and that if immigrants do move over here then respect our culture and don't try to make it like your own, which large minority of immigrants are currently doing and the overly PC government lets this happen.

Its not even nearly the same thing. Culture evolves and develops depending on the time. To hang onto a culture that is in no way relevant in this day and age seems like resistant just for the sake. Why not embrace the new found culture. The Indian corner shop is now a British institution. The most popular dish is an Indian dish. Immigrants have and are contributing a great deal to this country. To hang on to this ideology of 'white' Britain is antiquated to say the least.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Tom

You were saying whats the point in keeping a culture that doesn't exist and noone was around for, but thats akin to saying why keep heritage and other aspects of culture that noone was initially around for and only know the history of it?

And I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, all I'm saying is immigrants should never outnumber the native race of a country and that if immigrants do move over here then respect our culture and don't try to make it like your own, which large minority of immigrants are currently doing and the overly PC government lets this happen.

I agree with this train of thought.

As for the original post way back. If I could be bothered checking I would, but isn't this something that Nostradamus predicted, and the date's not too far off also.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Tom

Maybe we should just pull any iconic buildings down if they're in the way etc or falling apart, after all none of us were about when these things within British heritage were built/started

What does that have to do with anything? Britain's remaining traditional architecture is protected by the government and local councils. Most of the fugly concrete tower blocks that stand in place of where more uniform Georgian and Victorian buildings might have stood are there as a result of feckless town and city planners trying to rebuild inner cities in their ill-considered utopian image following the bombings in WWII.

And some of the 'non-Western' architecture built for ethnic and religious minorities happen to scrub up very well too. For instance the Neasden Temple in London is a beautiful building and the largest Hindu temple outside of India.

[Jamietwo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

I like this post... The racist feelings i have occasionally definitely involve fear and anger, I just want to feel peaceful and happy inside. Hanging onto to racist feelings or hateful feelings is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die, you are just hurting yourself. There are aspects of afro-Caribbean culture that upset me at times, but I generally feel ok with everyone no matter what their ethnic background. The way forward is to feel comfortable enough to explore our feelings and be honest, not have them pushed down by political correctness. If we all started talking about our feelings more there would definitely be some healing.

[InOne]

Isn't there only 3 types of race or something? Like Black people, Chinese, and then the rest are just in the middle?

[letmein]

Originally Posted by InOne

Isn't there only 3 types of race or something? Like Black people, Chinese, and then the rest are just in the middle?

Nope.


Chinese, isn't a race.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by letmein

Nope.


Chinese, isn't a race.

They are a race. They are recognised as a minority in neighbouring Asian countries such as Korea, Japan, Thailand, Malaysia and particularly Indonesia where they are known for suffering discrimination.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

They are a race. They are recognised as a minority in neighbouring Asian countries such as Korea, Japan, Thailand, Malaysia and particularly Indonesia where they are known for suffering discrimination.

No. Chinese is an ethnicity. Not a race, babe.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by InOne

Isn't there only 3 types of race or something? Like Black people, Chinese, and then the rest are just in the middle?