[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I expect that would happen, not sure I'd call it "abuse". If someone's made the decision to delay motherhood, the option having been offered to her by her company, and then someone who has not made that commitment is promoted, I'm sure the person being overlooked might have cause to feel pretty pissed off.

Vicky, hi... haven't spoken to you for ages.

That's completely unfair and sexist as well can I add, I'm sure that would qualify as discrimination. Would they pass over a man who has kids over a single man? I doubt it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's completely unfair and sexist as well can I add, I'm sure that would qualify as discrimination. Would they pass over a man who has kids over a single man? I doubt it

We're not talking about men here, we're talking about women having their eggs frozen.

So not at all discriminatory to the woman who'd committed to delaying motherhood, then? It's fine for her to delay it, and then be passed over for someone who's going to carry on and have a family?

Women sometimes can't have it all.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're not talking about men here, we're talking about women having their eggs frozen.

So not at all discriminatory to the woman who'd committed to delaying motherhood, then? It's fine for her to delay it, and then be passed over for someone who's going to carry on and have a family?

Women sometimes can't have it all.

Well...no. Not if the other woman was better qualified for the promotion. If the woman who has delayed motherhood (and been paid a quite hefty sum to do so already I need to add) was actually better qualified and was for some reason looked over in favour of someone with a family then it would be discrimination

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're not talking about men here, we're talking about women having their eggs frozen.

So not at all discriminatory to the woman who'd committed to delaying motherhood, then? It's fine for her to delay it, and then be passed over for someone who's going to carry on and have a family?

Women sometimes can't have it all.

So because a woman has decided to freeze her eggs she's automatically a better candidate for the job? That's complete discrimination.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I expect that would happen, not sure I'd call it "abuse". If someone's made the decision to delay motherhood, the option having been offered to her by her company, and then someone who has not made that commitment is promoted, I'm sure the person being overlooked might have cause to feel pretty pissed off.

Vicky, hi... haven't spoken to you for ages.

Disagree, the person promoted should be the best person for the job at the time, regardless of any other factors.. IMO anyway :S

I would say the person overlooked simply because they have kids would be more in the right to be pissed off

And hi. I lurk a lot these days rather than post...cba with all the dramas

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Disagree, the person promoted should be the best person for the job at the time, regardless of any other factors.. IMO anyway :S

I would say the person overlooked simply because they have kids would be more in the right to be pissed off

And hi. I lurk a lot these days rather than post...cba with all the dramas

Exactly.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Disagree, the person promoted should be the best person for the job at the time, regardless of any other factors.. IMO anyway :S

I would say the person overlooked simply because they have kids would be more in the right to be pissed off

And hi. I lurk a lot these days rather than post...cba with all the dramas

Some jobs just aren't right for women who can't commit to them. That doesn't mean to say they're worth less, just that while they're raising children, they have other priorities. I'm not sure I could concentrate 100% if I had a sick child at home, for instance. However, if they have a husband who has taken on the childcare mantle, then that's a whole new ballgame.

Dramas? What dramas? :-)

Nice to see you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hmm. On the one hand I think its good for women to be given the opportunity

On the other hand I suspect this would be abused...those who have effectively signed away their right to have kids getting promoted above others etc...

'I am aware nobody is forcing the women to do this however it is possible that if there was a promotion to be offered of the two female candidates the more 'productive human being' would perhaps unfairly have the advantage.
Also my comment earlier relating to contracts didn't mention anything about contraception and it's reliability, a woman may decide to move having children forward for any number of reasons. Also this would be limiting in the amount of children you have, the odds of having a child in later years are reduced drastically especially if you want to have more than one child'

Great minds eh?

[Kizzy]

Well there we have it, the consensus in business will be that if a woman hasn't committed to freezing eggs and agreeing to postpone motherhood for X amount of years she will be considered to be not fully committed to her career...
Meanwhile will there be a similar sperm freezing facility?

[Vicky.]

Wonder how they will enforce this actually thinking about it properly...as unless the women in question also agree to go celibate until the end of their career they could still get pregnant anyway :S

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Wonder how they will enforce this actually thinking about it properly...as unless the women in question also agree to go celibate until the end of their career they could still get pregnant anyway :S

I mentioned this a couple of pages back too, there must be some restrictions either their job wont be held open to return or there is no maternity pay once signed.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I mentioned this a couple of pages back too, there must be some restrictions either their job wont be held open to return or there is no maternity pay once signed.

Sorry, havent read through the thread yet. Seems we are definitely on the same page though

[Kizzy]

Interesting article on this topic...

'Egg-freezing is no guarantee of having a child, though. Studies indicate that women who have three rounds of egg retrieval at around $10,000 per round have a slightly more than 30 percent chance of giving birth if they are 25 or younger when the eggs are frozen. The closer women get to age 40, the lower the likelihood of success. If women limit themselves to the two rounds of egg retrieval covered by the new benefits, that also will reduce the odds.'

Seems that there is a chance that this procedure could fail based on the amount/quality of eggs retrieved, it's a massive gamble.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechcons...n-egg-freezing

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Interesting article on this topic...

'Egg-freezing is no guarantee of having a child, though. Studies indicate that women who have three rounds of egg retrieval at around $10,000 per round have a slightly more than 30 percent chance of giving birth if they are 25 or younger when the eggs are frozen. The closer women get to age 40, the lower the likelihood of success. If women limit themselves to the two rounds of egg retrieval covered by the new benefits, that also will reduce the odds.'

Seems that there is a chance that this procedure could fail based on the amount/quality of eggs retrieved, it's a massive gamble.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechcons...n-egg-freezing

It is a gamble....as I said earlier in the thread, I had perfectly viable embryos frozen and they didn't survive the thaw process....although Ruby had a much better experience. To be fair all fertility is a gamble....there is no way to know if you will fall pregnant unless you try....I guess it will boil down to how much go a gamble people are willing to take with their fertility and future family. And that is a decision that they alone (with their partner) must consider and make with no coercion.....

[Northern Monkey]

So as far as i understand,This is a choice.
Imo choice is never a bad thing.Choice is empowering.PEOPLE(men and women) have to choose what they want to do with their lives.Some choose to concentrate of raising a family,Some choose to concentrate solely on a career and some choose to take on a less demanding job and have a family and a career.Choices.We can't always have everything we want in life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

So as far as i understand,This is a choice.
Imo choice is never a bad thing.PEOPLE(men and women) have to choose what they want to do with their lives.Some choose to concentrate of raising a family,Some choose to concentrate solely on a career and some choose to take on a less demanding job and have a family and a career.Choices.We can't always have everything we want in life.

The men can choose to freeze their eggs so, yeah? Oh no sorry that's not an option

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Back to mumsnet with you

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The men can choose to freeze their eggs so, yeah? Oh no sorry that's not an option

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The men can choose to freeze their eggs so, yeah? Oh no sorry that's not an option

Stating the obvious but,Men and women are different.Some things will never be equal,Men won't be carrying kids anytime soon or getting 9 months maternity leave.Usually if a man chooses a time consuming career he gets very little time with his children,This is a sacrifice that has to be made in order to work in that kind of enviroment.Again choice.

[Niamh.]

Maybe then instead of offering to freeze women's eggs we should be offering more paternity for men so parents can share the load and women can become more productive humans

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe then instead of offering to freeze women's eggs we should be offering more paternity for men so parents can share the load and women can become more productive humans

I agree this should happen but i still don't think having extra choice is a bad thing as long as it is a fully informed choice.