[arista]

Nasty Women.

[In the Drunk Tank]

In order to take action against a story that appeared on page 20 of the Sun months ago they've given the tabloids days on end of front pages airing all the dirty laundry from their relationship.. is it really worth it

I'm sick of hearing about them tbh

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by MTVN

In order to take action against a story that appeared on page 20 of the Sun months ago they've given the tabloids days on end of front pages airing all the dirty laundry from their relationship.. is it really worth it



I'm sick of hearing about them tbh

Yeah same. It seems Amber has history with claims from her ex girlfriend but then I also heard that Johnny Depps relationship with Kate Moss was also "stormy" and I notice she wasn't rushing forward to defend him like his other 2 exes did

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

In order to take action against a story that appeared on page 20 of the Sun months ago they've given the tabloids days on end of front pages airing all the dirty laundry from their relationship.. is it really worth it

I'm sick of hearing about them tbh

It's all but cleared Johnny's name!! That can only be a good thing.

I read or heard somewhere (can't remember where) that Turd might be jailed for perjury

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Johnny Depp is one of my favourite actors.
She has a history of domestic abuse, he doesn't.
I have no doubt that they had a stormy relationship, but I think she was the violent one.

[bots]

i haven't followed this at all. I don't think i missed much

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Johnny Depp is one of my favourite actors.
She has a history of domestic abuse, he doesn't.
I have no doubt that they had a stormy relationship, but I think she was the violent one.

Definitely Vanessa , Amber is NO victim and she can stop lying now !

[Liam-]

She seems like a deeply unpleasant person

[Cherry Christmas]

SIck of the sight of them on the London news every night, why do they need be here at all. They should have been denied entry at this time

[Kizzy]

This all gives the red tops something else to focus on instead of the response to the ongoing pandemic.

The plebs are loving this it's gold .. fill half of page 1page2, 3 and 4...put covid info in a side note on page 9.

[Tom4784]

I think this story has it's worth, as unpleasant as it is for it's a real life example of some vicious mental abuse and gaslighting. We rarely hear from male victims of domestic abuse and I don't think I've ever known such a high profile case of someone lying about being abused only to end up being the abuser themselves. If the story proves a person's innocence and can potentially help others by highlight abusive behaviours then it's worth occupying time and space in the public's mind.

It's not exactly a fluff piece.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think this story has it's worth, as unpleasant as it is for it's a real life example of some vicious mental abuse and gaslighting. We rarely hear from male victims of domestic abuse and I don't think I've ever known such a high profile case of someone lying about being abused only to end up being the abuser themselves. If the story proves a person's innocence and can potentially help others by highlight abusive behaviours then it's worth occupying time and space in the public's mind.

It's not exactly a fluff piece.

Let's be real, all it's going to do at the end of the day is make it even harder for female victims of domestic abuse to be believed and taken seriously. Its unavoidable and no one's fault but Amber Heard's... But that is the sad reality. MRA's and incels and other assorted scum will be chanting "Yeah well, remember what happened with Johnny Depp!" every time a domestic abuse claim comes up.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Let's be real, all it's going to do at the end of the day is make it even harder for female victims of domestic abuse to be believed and taken seriously. Its unavoidable and no one's fault but Amber Heard's... But that is the sad reality. MRA's and incels and other assorted scum will be chanting "Yeah well, remember what happened with Johnny Depp!" every time a domestic abuse claim comes up.

Yup

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Let's be real, all it's going to do at the end of the day is make it even harder for female victims of domestic abuse to be believed and taken seriously. Its unavoidable and no one's fault but Amber Heard's... But that is the sad reality. MRA's and incels and other assorted scum will be chanting "Yeah well, remember what happened with Johnny Depp!" every time a domestic abuse claim comes up.

Yes, that's the downside of it but those kinds of people would think that regardless but Amber Heard has certainly made things needlessly harder. I so hope she never works in Hollywood again.

The plus side is that people are going to see the things that Amber Heard has done and probably recognise it as abusive behaviour they see in their own relationships and hopefully that will help them break the cycle since a lot of people might not recognise such behaviour as abuse.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think this story has it's worth, as unpleasant as it is for it's a real life example of some vicious mental abuse and gaslighting. We rarely hear from male victims of domestic abuse and I don't think I've ever known such a high profile case of someone lying about being abused only to end up being the abuser themselves. If the story proves a person's innocence and can potentially help others by highlight abusive behaviours then it's worth occupying time and space in the public's mind.

It's not exactly a fluff piece.

Talking of vicious mental abuse there's no verdict yet, and here you are judge juror and executioner.
It's like the #be kind movement folowing Caroline Flack's suicide never happened....

obviously these two had a very volatile relationship, in this disgusting media circus there are no innocents both have been exposed. Neither are shrinking violets, Winona Ryder and Kate Moss weren't either.. if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred.
Blaming one party in the relationship is not right or fair the both had very glaring faults.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Talking of vicious mental abuse there's no verdict yet, and here you are judge juror and executioner.
It's like the #be kind movement folowing Caroline Flack's suicide never happened....

obviously these two had a very volatile relationship, in this disgusting media circus there are no innocents both have been exposed. Neither are shrinking violets, Winona Ryder and Kate Moss weren't either.. if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred.
Blaming one party in the relationship is not right or fair the both had very glaring faults.

I've heard the audio where she basically said that if Johnny went public with what she had done, that no one would believe him. To me, that is abuser speak and compiled with everything else that's come out about her, it's fairly obvious that she is the abuser in this situation. He wanted to leave her, she got crazier and crazier. Abusers don't typically want to give up control which makes Depp less likely to be the abuser in this case since he wanted the relationship to end.

Would you be saying that both sides were at fault if the genders were reversed? If Johnny Depp stepped forward as a victim to begin with but things were revealed that painted Amber Heard as the actual victim, would you be saying both sides were at fault? I'd be blaming Depp just the same as I'm blaming Heard now.

In abusive relationships, one side is always the abuser and the other is reacting to that abuse, It seems very much that Amber Heard preyed on his substance abuse issues and degraded the relationship to the point where he was broken and acting out so that she could act like the victim as she did originally and I believed her. Coercive control, physical abuse, emotional and psychological abuse. From what we've heard, Amber Heard is guilty of all of this. As I've said earlier in the topic, reacting badly to being abused over a period of time doesn't make you as bad as the abuser. There's a whole line of Depp's exes clamouring to his defense although they have no reason to which suggests that his actions in this relationship are an anomaly, a reaction to the abuse he's received at her hands.

To borrow an example from the soaps, as inappropriate as that may be, would you believe that Little Mo from Eastenders and Yasmeen from Corrie are just as abusive as their partners because they fought back? I wouldn't say so at all. When you break people down, they'll act out of character, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them abusive either.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've heard the audio where she basically said that if Johnny went public with what she had done, that no one would believe him. To me, that is abuser speak and compiled with everything else that's come out about her, it's fairly obvious that she is the abuser in this situation. He wanted to leave her, she got crazier and crazier. Abusers don't typically want to give up control which makes Depp less likely to be the abuser in this case since he wanted the relationship to end.



Would you be saying that both sides were at fault if the genders were reversed? If Johnny Depp stepped forward as a victim to begin with but things were revealed that painted Amber Heard as the actual victim, would you be saying both sides were at fault? I'd be blaming Depp just the same as I'm blaming Heard now.



In abusive relationships, one side is always the abuser and the other is reacting to that abuse, It seems very much that Amber Heard preyed on his substance abuse issues and degraded the relationship to the point where he was broken and acting out so that she could act like the victim as she did originally and I believed her. Coercive control, physical abuse, emotional and psychological abuse. From what we've heard, Amber Heard is guilty of all of this. As I've said earlier in the topic, reacting badly to being abused over a period of time doesn't make you as bad as the abuser. There's a whole line of Depp's exes clamouring to his defense although they have no reason to which suggests that his actions in this relationship are an anomaly, a reaction to the abuse he's received at her hands.



To borrow an example from the soaps, as inappropriate as that may be, would you believe that Little Mo from Eastenders and Yasmeen from Corrie are just as abusive as their partners because they fought back? I wouldn't say so at all. When you break people down, they'll act out of character, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them abusive either.

Is there a link to the ‘audio’ you mentioned in the first sentence?



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[Ammi]

...I do agree with Dezzy that this isn’t a ‘fluff case’, it is a case of some interest...I haven’t commented on it because I hadn’t known of their ‘stormy’ relationship until recently but also I want to try to hold on to a more neutral mindset to see what the outcome is...It’s interesting though that in cases of assault which are sexual, as opposed to domestic abuse, in particular, rape cases...?..a female is much less thought if as the victim and very much the ‘subject of the trial herself’...Whereas it’s not a ‘natural leaning’ to see the female as anything other than the victim in a situation like this...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've heard the audio where she basically said that if Johnny went public with what she had done, that no one would believe him. To me, that is abuser speak and compiled with everything else that's come out about her, it's fairly obvious that she is the abuser in this situation. He wanted to leave her, she got crazier and crazier. Abusers don't typically want to give up control which makes Depp less likely to be the abuser in this case since he wanted the relationship to end.

Would you be saying that both sides were at fault if the genders were reversed? If Johnny Depp stepped forward as a victim to begin with but things were revealed that painted Amber Heard as the actual victim, would you be saying both sides were at fault? I'd be blaming Depp just the same as I'm blaming Heard now.

In abusive relationships, one side is always the abuser and the other is reacting to that abuse, It seems very much that Amber Heard preyed on his substance abuse issues and degraded the relationship to the point where he was broken and acting out so that she could act like the victim as she did originally and I believed her. Coercive control, physical abuse, emotional and psychological abuse. From what we've heard, Amber Heard is guilty of all of this. As I've said earlier in the topic, reacting badly to being abused over a period of time doesn't make you as bad as the abuser. There's a whole line of Depp's exes clamouring to his defense although they have no reason to which suggests that his actions in this relationship are an anomaly, a reaction to the abuse he's received at her hands.

To borrow an example from the soaps, as inappropriate as that may be, would you believe that Little Mo from Eastenders and Yasmeen from Corrie are just as abusive as their partners because they fought back? I wouldn't say so at all. When you break people down, they'll act out of character, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them abusive either.

I think your painting of him as some worn down victim is a reach. There's probably more artistic licence used in your post than there is in corrie
We'll see what the real verdict is.

[bots]

i know nothing of this story, but i've always thought Depp was an unpleasant arse

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think your painting of him as some worn down victim is a reach. There's probably more artistic licence used in your post than there is in corrie
We'll see what the real verdict is.

I think you're letting your biases colour your view of the case, tbh. I'm certainly not making things up like you're suggesting. Do you think that Depp cannot be the victim here because he is a man? 'Cus that's what it sounds like.

By all accounts, Amber Heard is a monster, she berated him and told him he wouldn't be believed if he went public with everything, she cut off part of his finger with a vodka bottle, she seemed to regularly target his vulnerabilities by needling his addiction issues and she has admitted to being violent towards him. There's evidence submitted in the trial of texts that show Heard begging Depp to come home and him refusing to do so since he didn't want to be attacked anymore. Abusers don't like to give up control, and Amber was losing control in that situation.

She's lied through her backteeth, she used the metoo movement for her own benefit, she co-opted someone else's rape story for her own 'benefit' and her version of events have been disputed by most of Johnny Depp's exes who would have no reason to lie about their own experiences.

Abusers don't become abusers suddenly, there's always a history of it and if Amber Heard was telling the truth, then chances are, the people standing in his corner would have seen or experienced abusive behaviour from him in their relationships with him.

From everything we've heard so far, it feels wrong to say both sides were as bad as each other. You'd have to disregard a lot of evidence to make that narrative work.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

obviously these two had a very volatile relationship, in this disgusting media circus there are no innocents both have been exposed. Neither are shrinking violets, Winona Ryder and Kate Moss weren't either.. if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred.

I think this sort of flirts with the victim-blaming line to be honest Kizzy, which you can see quite clearly if you flip the script. Women who end up in abusive marriages quite often have a history of the same sort of aggressive, abusive boyfriends. Women who get out of abusive relationships quite often, sadly, end up going into yet another abusive relationship after finding themselves drawn once again to the same sort of person, believing that it'll be different.

There are obviously good, very explainable psychological reasons for that and it would be abhorrent for anyone to take an abused woman and say "Umm you've been with this sort of bloke before so you should have known what would happen".

You can only take things for what they are. Maybe some people are attracted to very "intense" individuals. It doesn't make it their fault if they're abused, lessen the severity, or make it questionable. I really can't see the semantic difference in saying "if you attract chaotic women" and "if you attract aggressive men".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think this sort of flirts with the victim-blaming line to be honest Kizzy, which you can see quite clearly if you flip the script. Women who end up in abusive marriages quite often have a history of the same sort of aggressive, abusive boyfriends. Women who get out of abusive relationships quite often, sadly, end up going into yet another abusive relationship after finding themselves drawn once again to the same sort of person, believing that it'll be different.

There are obviously good, very explainable psychological reasons for that and it would be abhorrent for anyone to take an abused woman and say "Umm you've been with this sort of bloke before so you should have known what would happen".

You can only take things for what they are. Maybe some people are attracted to very "intense" individuals. It doesn't make it their fault if they're abused, lessen the severity, or make it questionable. I really can't see the semantic difference in saying "if you attract chaotic women" and "if you attract aggressive men".

Victim blaming?...

As I've said before the verdict there's the insistence he is 100% the victim here, you might have cemented that in your mind..it doesn't naturally follow everyone else has.

There is no 'script' no relationship is uniformly like another. I appreciate that women can be abusers which seems to be what the last couple of posts are hammering home. As I said we don't as yet know this is the case as there have been accusations from both parties of abuse in this ongoing case.

I really don't like the way you are attempting to put words in my mouth here, I'm not blaming either party until the trial is over.

My point there was if you are chaotic and have a certain lifestyle you meet like minded people, the relationships can be passionate, intense but burn out. That MAY be the case here. I'm just taking part in a debate about it and that is my opinion at the moment based on the findings so far.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Victim blaming?...



As I've said before the verdict there's the insistence he is 100% the victim here, you might have cemented that in your mind..it doesn't naturally follow everyone else has.



There is no 'script' no relationship is uniformly like another. I appreciate that women can be abusers which seems to be what the last couple of posts are hammering home. As I said we don't as yet know this is the case as there have been accusations from both parties of abuse in this ongoing case.



I really don't like the way you are attempting to put words in my mouth here, I'm not blaming either party until the trial is over.



My point there was if you are chaotic and have a certain lifestyle you meet like minded people, the relationships can be passionate, intense but burn out. That MAY be the case here. I'm just taking part in a debate about it and that is my opinion at the moment based on the findings so far.

I don't think he's 100% the victim, I think there are certainly indications of a mutually physically violent relationship. But to be specific, you said;

"if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred."

I don't think this is a good path to go down. I don't think it would (or should) be accepted as reasoning for a woman in an abusive relationship or rally any other abusive scenario... It's basically saying "Well, if you get involved with that sort of person, what do you expect? You chose that type of person so how can we believe the fault wasn't on both sides?"

I'm not saying that some fault ISN'T on both sides, I just am unsure about the reasoning that it "must be" because of "attracting chaotic people".

[arista]