First Watch/Re-Watch Survivor Thread

[reece(:]

I gotta get back on my Peal Islands watch soon. :idc: It was good too but then I got busy and now Big Brother has started so idk. And I hate just watching like 1 episode every once in a while so I'll have to get back in the mood for a marathon watch soon when I have the time.


When does that returnees season start? In like a year? I really wanna get at least a large majority of the seasons done before then.

Next February probably

[JerseyWins]

Oh wow I just realized I've seen 14 seasons already. Idk if I'll continue on the pace I was at but I should be able to finish a good amount by February.

[JerseyWins]

Finished Pearl Islands after finally getting back to watching it the past few days. This season was ALL about Jonny Fairplay for me. Definitely lived up to the hype. Also, I remember hearing about the grandma lie before but I either completely forgot or never knew it was from him. Idk how to feel about it, maybe too far of a lie, but I can't hold that against him when he was super entertaining and was the main contributor in making this season so good. Power shifts, quality final 5 endgame and everything.

The amount of power shifts in this season was crazy. There's maybe like 1 or 2 power shifts on most Survivor seasons and this one had shifts almost every episode. :joker: I loved the way Jonny Fairplay played the game to basically make all of this happen.

---(faves)---
1. Jonny
---(liked)---
2. Darrah
3. Osten
4. Skinny Ryan
5. Sandra (I didn't really like her at first but her attitude and the way she played really grew on me :joker:)
6. Tijuana
7. Burton (interesting scenario because he was one of my least favorite but then I kinda liked him after his return)
8. Lillian (I liked the little trio she had with Jonny & Burton but I most liked her in the beginning with Skinny Ryan)
---(ok)---
9. Christa
10. Rupert (mixed feelings on him; sometimes I liked him sometimes I didn't)
11. Andrew
---(meh)---
12. Nicole
13. Michelle
14. Shawn
---(dislike)---
15. Ryan O
16. Trish

Hard to even explain why these bottom two are dislikes. I just never liked them for whatever reason but nothing major.

This was an interesting cast. There was barely anyone I REALLY liked or REALLY disliked but overall it was a quality cast and they meshed well together to make it a great season. :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

Gabon is next for me. I'll probably start it tonight. Looking forward to seeing Corinne's original season.

[Macie Lightfoot]

you should be looking forward to seeing THE Kelly Jean Czarnecki

jk you probably won't like her

[JerseyWins]

Well 1 episode into the season... Who is Kelly Jean? :joker: Is she not in the first episode AT ALL? I honestly don't remember seeing her even once unless she's going by a different name or something.

[JerseyWins]

So I just got through the episode where Kelly goes. She's definitely not awful but wasn't one of my favorites either. I'd probably consider her "ok" in my rankings. Maybe even a weak "like"... sort of enjoyable I guess but nothing special.

Ace sucks though. I like Matty & Sugar a lot but the fact that they're close with him SMH. I was really liking the GC/Ken/Crystal group but the way it kinda fell apart and GC went. </3

[JerseyWins]

Just got to the Marcus blindside and WOW I can't believe Ken & Crystal have lasted this long after things were looking grim. :clap1: I thought at least one of them would be gone by now for sure with the way things were going.

Also I'm LOVING Corinne again :laugh3: but I really don't like anyone else in her group lol...

[JerseyWins]

Just got to Crystal going and I'm actually really happy with that. I've gone through a 180 with Kenny & Crystal. Been liking them less and less as the season has went on. Matty, Sugar & Corinne (</3) >>>>>>>>>>

[JerseyWins]

---(faves)---
1. Matty
2. Sugar
3. Corinne (dropped her from possibly 1 to 3 simply because of her nastiness at the jury questioning but that attitude is part of what made her entertaining throughout the season so she's definitely still #3 at worst)

(top 3 were in a category of their own and pretty tough to rank)

4. Dan
5. G.C.
---(liked)---
6. Paloma
7. Ken (top 5 for a while but soured a bit by the end)
8. Crystal (top 5 for a while but soured a bit by the end)
---(ok)---
9. Kelly
10. Jacquie
11. Bob
12. Susie
---(meh)---
13. Charlie (I feel like the gay guy character is just copy & paste in Survivor? but he was one of the better ones just still not so good & kinda irrelevant)
14. Randy (mostly disliked for a while but kinda got funny by the end, what a perfect way for him to go tho :joker:)
15. Gillian
---(dislike)---
16. Michelle (seemed mean without much charisma or anything to it.. could've ended up being a character I loved but obviously didn't get to see much, there's a fine line there with her type of personality)
17. Marcus (not a bad guy at all but I rarely like this particular type of alpha male character)
18. Ace (self-explanatory)

Sugar getting 0 votes. </3 She actually deserved it over Bob. He was alright but in the game what did Bob even do? :shrug: For a second there I kinda thought Susie was gonna win. :laugh3:

[JerseyWins]

2 episodes through Tocantins and idk about this cast so far. Most are either ok or I don't like them but things can change.

I do like that Sandy & Sierra stayed though. Sandy seems at least ok and I didn't really like Carolina at all. Candace was just ok as well and I'm in love with Sierra. :love:

[LukeB]

How many seasons have you seen now jersey?

[JerseyWins]

16 seasons I think, this one being my 17th.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Tocantins is a season of Survivor.

[JerseyWins]

Just watched the episode where Sandy goes and I was starting to like her quite a bit these past 2 episodes. :/

Sierra is like for sure my favorite though. Unless J.T. gets better cause he's somewhat close. I like the potential of the Sierra/Brendan/Stephen/Taj two-tribe group because I like them all, probably in that order... but the preview I just saw for the next episode was completely against Brendan & Taj so it doesn't give me much hope.

[Daniel-X]

Shugs Kiper should be number one!

[MB.]

Philippines (harder than I thought to rank because looking back, Lisa doesn't really seem the best of anything and Pete doesn't seem the worst of anything, nor do I really do justice to Abi or Katie or effing Dawson, but there we are)

Lisa
Denise
Abi
Carter oops
Malcolm
Katie
Dawson
Zane
Angie
Skoopin
RC
Penner
Artis
Russell
Roxy
Dana
Jeff
Pete

And now from the sublime to the ridiculous(-ly ****) as I move onto/force myself through Caramoan

[JerseyWins]

Been slacking on the finale but I just finished Tocantins... I enjoyed it. Also, a pretty amazing boot order. Like I would say it turned out to be a really good final 9, final 8, 7, etc. The ones I didn't like helped make things entertaining and most of the ones I did like beat them and made it to the very end.

---(faves)---
1. Sierra
2. J.T.
3. Stephen
4. Erinn (she really emerged towards the middle to end)
5. Taj
---(liked)---
6. Brendan (dulled out a bit and then got out but he was one of my faves in the very early episodes)
7. Sandy
8. Sydney
---(ok)---
9. Spencer
10. Candace
---(meh)---
11. Jerry
12. Tyson
13. Carolina
---(disliked)---
14. Joe
15. Debbie
16. Coach

The Coach/Tyson/Debbie trio sucked but they were actually fun to root against and that itself is just great for a season when I feel that way about my least favorites. Pretty much all satisfying boots for them as well. Kinda entertaining in their own ways but unlikable in their own ways sooo idk... Coach for example was funny to watch after a while yet still painful and often annoying to watch at the same time. I guess for me I would compare him to Jozea but not exactly on the level of delusion or entertainment so I guess a bit worse. :shrug: And that's why I rank him last despite sort of enjoying what he brought to the season. Also there was TOO much of him too.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Debbie's last three episodes are everything how dare you

[Braden]

Debbie not knowing how to do math at the auction :p :love:

[MB.]

Caramoan

Corinne
Sherri
Laura
Francesca
Eddie
Malcolm
Julia
Erik
Allie
Andrea
Hope
Cochran
Michael
Reynold
Dawn
Brenda
Shamar
Matt
Brandon
Phillip

[reece(:]

Caramoan

Corinne


:clap1:

[MB.]

I never really 'got' her in Gabon but yep, I wouldn't like to think about what I would have done to myself if I'd have had to watch Caramoan without Corinne's narration about how much she loves the gays to go along with it

[MB.]

Also the best moment of the season was that musical rendition of Hold Up Bro done entirely in Lego, and everything else, as I suspected, sucked

[LukeB]

Been slacking on the finale but I just finished Tocantins... I enjoyed it. Also, a pretty amazing boot order. Like I would say it turned out to be a really good final 9, final 8, 7, etc. The ones I didn't like helped make things entertaining and most of the ones I did like beat them and made it to the very end.

---(faves)---
1. Sierra
2. J.T.
3. Stephen
4. Erinn (she really emerged towards the middle to end)
5. Taj
---(liked)---
6. Brendan (dulled out a bit and then got out but he was one of my faves in the very early episodes)
7. Sandy
8. Sydney
---(ok)---
9. Spencer
10. Candace
---(meh)---
11. Jerry
12. Tyson
13. Carolina
---(disliked)---
14. Joe
15. Debbie
16. Coach

The Coach/Tyson/Debbie trio sucked but they were actually fun to root against and that itself is just great for a season when I feel that way about my least favorites. Pretty much all satisfying boots for them as well. Kinda entertaining in their own ways but unlikable in their own ways sooo idk... Coach for example was funny to watch after a while yet still painful and often annoying to watch at the same time. I guess for me I would compare him to Jozea but not exactly on the level of delusion or entertainment so I guess a bit worse. :shrug: And that's why I rank him last despite sort of enjoying what he brought to the season. Also there was TOO much of him too.

JT :love:
Good rankings Jersey!

[MB.]

So I've been listening to a lot of Survivor ATF tonight - for my sins - and Gabon (one of my most recently re-watched seasons)'s general bat**** craziness probably makes a little more sense when viewed in the context of the revelation that Fang were accidentally given potentially fatal hallucinogenic drugs at a reward

[TomC]

I am watching Survivor for the first time ever. Seen the first 4 eps of Season 1. I am enjoying it, it's pretty different to anything I've seen before, and Susan, Richard and Jenna are my current favourites.

[Daniel-X]

I am watching Survivor for the first time ever. Seen the first 4 eps of Season 1. I am enjoying it, it's pretty different to anything I've seen before, and Susan, Richard and Jenna are my current favourites.

Borneo :love: I've only seen eight seasons (I'm on my ninth) but it's definitley in my top three so far. Kelly Wigle was my favourite from that season. I loved Richard and Jenna too though. Sue was my fave for a while but I went off her eventually, I won't spoil why but it will be OBVIOUS when you get to it.

[MB.]

Assuming you know little about Survivor and like Borneo enough to watch more, I am so very jealous of what you have ahead of you to experience for the first time

[TomC]

Borneo :love: I've only seen eight seasons (I'm on my ninth) but it's definitley in my top three so far. Kelly Wigle was my favourite from that season. I loved Richard and Jenna too though. Sue was my fave for a while but I went off her eventually, I won't spoil why but it will be OBVIOUS when you get to it.

Kelly has been pretty UTR so far. There hasn't been as much gameplay/strategy as I expected, but still really enjoying it. When does the merger take place?

Assuming you know little about Survivor and like Borneo enough to watch more, I am so very jealous of what you have ahead of you to experience for the first time

I am really enjoying it, but I kind of want to finish BB14!

[Liam-]

where are you watching it?

[TomC]

where are you watching it?

I've PM'd you the link :)

[TomC]

Five episodes in, I finally feel ready to do a ranking.

Episode 5
1. Jenna
2. Susan
3. Richard
4. Greg
5. Sean
6. Kelly
7. Rudy
8. Joel
9. Colleen
10. Gervase
11. Gretchen
12. Dirk

It's hard though, cos people like Joel and Gretchen have had hardly any airtime so there ain't much to go on.

[Daniel-X]

Kelly has been pretty UTR so far. There hasn't been as much gameplay/strategy as I expected, but still really enjoying it. When does the merger take place?



I am really enjoying it, but I kind of want to finish BB14!

Merger takes place once ten are left

[Natalie.]

Going to continue my Philippines watch now

[MB.]

I am really enjoying it, but I kind of want to finish BB14!

Believe me, most seasons of Survivor > most seasons of BBUK > any other reality show

[TomC]

Believe me, most seasons of Survivor > most seasons of BBUK > any other reality show

I am missing Miss Gina Rio though :suspect:

[MB.]

Well you can watch Miss Sue Hawk instead

[MB.]

ps I've decided that after having watched Caramoan, I'll cleanse my palate by going back over the prequel-in-name-only Micronesia next

[TomC]

Shame that hottie Joel got voted out :(

[TomC]

Poor Jenna not getting a tape :( I'm kind of going off Rich - he's just so smug. He reminds me of Richard from TA S11.

And wtf at Rudy saying that Greg's tape from home seemed incestuous D:

[TomC]

Also, I don't like this domination by the Tagi Alliance, mainly cos my favourite isn't in it, and I know she'll get picked off very soon :laugh:

[TomC]

Episode 8 Rankings
1. Jenna
2. Susan
3. Greg
4. Colleen
5. Rudy
6. Sean
7. Kelly
8. Richard
9. Gervase

[TomC]

Go Colleen, clock evil Rich :clap1:

[Daniel-X]

I know this is an unpopular opinion but I don't really like Colleen and Greg.

[TomC]

Colleen is a bit meh.

I can't believe Jenna is gone </3

[TomC]

And I'm glad Kelly has left the alliance.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Cooleen is amazing wtf people

[JerseyWins]

Started watching Samoa. Done for now until maybe tonight but 3 episodes in and I'm liking the boot order so far.

Marissa, Betsy and Mike = meeeh & Ben sucked.

I was leaning towards not liking Russell in like the first episode but I like him quite a bit now. So far it seems like the Russell Hantz show on the Foa Foa tribe. Also, I know it's because they just haven't gone to Tribal Council but I feel like I don't know much about the other tribe except for Shambo (who is pretty likable) and Yasmin (who I'm not sure yet but think I like).

[TomC]

Gosh, I really do dislike Richard very much. 'It is so very, very naive for the others to even be contemplating making an alliance at this stage' :bored:

Well, actually Kelly could quite easily flip flop and get Sean on her side with Gervasse and Colleen and Rich is gone?

These castaways just aren't cut throat enough though!

[TomC]

FFS the twat just won immunity D:

[TomC]

Oh the edit made it look like Gervase, Kelly, Colleen and Sean were gonna align :(

[MB.]

Without the twat, the show probably wouldn't still be on air 31 seasons later

[TomC]

why? he's a twat.

[MB.]

Because he's a twat who single-handedly changed the format of the show?

[TomC]

Because he's a twat who single-handedly changed the format of the show?

What by forming alliances? Or are you referring to something I haven't seen yet? :suspect:

[MB.]

Yes, by forming alliances - he introduced alliances to this show. Survivor was never supposed to be a strategy game. It was supposed to be an adventure show about 16 regular Americans marooned on an island, and nothing more. Thanks to Richard Hatch, it's much, much more. If you can't at least appreciate him for what he was and understand his cultural significance, then I highly doubt you'll enjoy the evolution of the show from this point on

[TomC]

Yes, by forming alliances - he introduced alliances to this show. Survivor was never supposed to be a strategy game. It was supposed to be an adventure show about 16 regular Americans marooned on an island, and nothing more. Thanks to Richard Hatch, it's much, much more. If you can't at least appreciate him for what he was and understand his cultural significance, then I highly doubt you'll enjoy the evolution of the show from this point on

Was it actually just him who did that though? I mean, it was an alliance of four. I don't know how not liking one person, regardless of whether I appreciate the strategy he brought to the game (which I do) means I won't enjoy Survivor. What do you mean by that?

[Braden]

Borneo is probably my favourite season of Survivor, and RIchard is my favourite contestant of all-time to be completely honest.

I definitely understand the argument that Richard was the person who paved the way for Survivor to evolve as we know it today, but I think the Tagi alliance as a whole were crucial in making the game 'a game'.

Richard was the integral part of the alliance and the main proponent because he was the person who eventually won, but the other three were pretty important too. Kelly acted as the perfect runner-up because she wanted to play an honest game, but the dynamic of the alliance prevented her from doing so and therefore she became an underdog. Her 'double-faced' ways were caught out by Sue Hawk who is legendary because of her bitter jury speech (though she was iconic based on her persona alone), which then went on to influence how the jury would work many times in the future. Rudy was the less signifcant counter-piece, but the alliance would not have worked without him and his relationship with Richard is note-worthy in terms of people aliging with those you wouldn't expect.

The pagonging was also important because it brought the first blindside (I suppose you could count the vote-offs before that but w/e none of them were as iconic) in Gretchen being voted off, and created the America's first sweetheart in Colleen Haskell. The opposition and their reaction to the Tagi alliance was compelling viewing.

[TomC]

What is in that spoiler tag? Cos i'm 90% sure I know who the final 2 are.

[Braden]

If spoil the winner and the runner-up, but it would be cool to look back once you've finished watching to see if you agree or not.

[MB.]

Oh yeah, I agree that there were so many elements of Borneo that helped to shape everything that came after it (well, maybe not Australian Outback, since they kinda openly tried to avoid repeating the last lot's strategy) and not just Richard, but I think it's important to think of him contextually less as the twat and more as the twat who helped launch a hit game show

He was the biggest villain in America at the time for being in an alliance, mind, so I suppose there's some justification in having that reaction for the first time 16 years on

[TomC]

Also I don't get how survivor 'wasn't meant to be strategic'. The format is to vote people off, and that alone would involve strategy...

[TomC]

Oh yeah, I agree that there were so many elements of Borneo that helped to shape everything that came after it (well, maybe not Australian Outback, since they kinda openly tried to avoid repeating the last lot's strategy) and not just Richard, but I think it's important to think of him contextually less as the twat and more as the twat who helped launch a hit game show

He was the biggest villain in America at the time for being in an alliance, mind, so I suppose there's some justification in having that reaction for the first time 16 years on

I mean my dislike for him is completely separate to how he played the game, I just can't take to his personality.

[MB.]

Also I don't get how survivor 'wasn't meant to be strategic'. The format is to vote people off, and that alone would involve strategy...

It's a fact that it was never supposed to have an outwardly strategic element - no alliances, no voting blocs, nothing. Look up any interview with Jeff or Mark Burnett and they'll tell you. They'd just never considered people would play it that way. The contestants were supposed to vote off the weakest, least suitable players etc (see: Sonja and BB being voted off for being old and annoying), not the biggest threats or the nicest people. The person most adapted to the island was supposed to win the million dollars. The Tagi alliance changed all of that, and is in my opinion the main reason why the show's still massive a decade and a half on (they don't call it the daddy of reality TV for nothing)

[TomC]

It's a fact that it was never supposed to have an outwardly strategic element - no alliances, no voting blocs, nothing. Look up any interview with Jeff or Mark Burnett and they'll tell you. They'd just never considered people would play it that way. The contestants were supposed to vote off the weakest, least suitable players etc (see: Sonja and BB being voted off for being old and annoying), not the biggest threats or the nicest people. The person most adapted to the island was supposed to win the million dollars. The Tagi alliance changed all of that, and is in my opinion the main reason why the show's still massive a decade and a half on (they don't call it the daddy of reality TV for nothing)

Oh yeah I know that, I'm just being pedantic really and saying that surely picking off people like Sonja and BB is still 'strategic' as getting rid of weaker members strengthens your team.

[TomC]

Poor Kelly being ditched by Sean :(

[Braden]

Oh yeah, I agree that there were so many elements of Borneo that helped to shape everything that came after it (well, maybe not Australian Outback, since they kinda openly tried to avoid repeating the last lot's strategy) and not just Richard, but I think it's important to think of him contextually less as the twat and more as the twat who helped launch a hit game show

He was the biggest villain in America at the time for being in an alliance, mind, so I suppose there's some justification in having that reaction for the first time 16 years on

Yeah, I personally don't understand why people dislike him. I found him very charming and the game-play he implemented throughout Borneo was iconic. I remember watching Borneo for the first time last year and seeing Richard just sit there and watch his tribemates without doing or saying anything. I wasn't sure if I was going to like him in the first episode, but he ended up being the perfect Survivor contestant in my opinion :love:

Oh yeah I know that, I'm just being pedantic really and saying that surely picking off people like Sonja and BB is still 'strategic' as getting rid of weaker members strengthens your team.

Yeah, you're both right in a sense because it was always a game. It's just the game was altered in a significant way because of the Tagi Four so I think a lot of people who love the show really respect the four of them in that sense. I understand from your subjective view why someone woud dislike Richard but I just found him to be like a fun Disney-like villain. There are other people on the forum who dislike Richard a lot so you're not alone :p

[TomC]

FCUKKKKKK I just found out who the winner of Season 2 is I am so annoyed :mad: That is like the main reason I wanted to watch another season, cos I wouldn't know anything about the boot order...

Is Season2 good?

[MB.]

Season 2's okay but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as good as this one and there are better seasons following it, so you shouldn't worry too much if you decide to skip it (if you decide to watch any seasons with returning players at any point, though, you might want to go back over it just to familiarise yourself with some of the characters)

[Braden]

FCUKKKKKK I just found out who the winner of Season 2 is I am so annoyed :mad: That is like the main reason I wanted to watch another season, cos I wouldn't know anything about the boot order...

Is Season2 good?

Australia starts of great but worsens towards the end in my opinion. It's still compelling viewing for a number of reasons though, and you get to experience Jerri Manthey for the first time :love:

[TomC]

Hmmm... I mean I've enjoyed Season 1 a lot, and I still knew the F2 of that so idk. Does the format change at all in Season 2?

Also, when is the first All-Stars?

[MB.]

Yeah, and there are also some big moments in Australian Outback which might be referenced in future that you'll be confused by if you haven't watched it, so for general cultural reasons it may be good to:

Skupin falling in the fire, Alicia vs. Kimmi/finger-wagging, the Tina/Colby final two being almost the polar opposite to Hatch/Kelly, etc

[MB.]

All Stars is season 8 and features at least one person from every season before it

[Braden]

Hmmm... I mean I've enjoyed Season 1 a lot, and I still knew the F2 of that so idk. Does the format change at all in Season 2?

Also, when is the first All-Stars?

I knew who the winners were for a significant majority of seasons prior to watching them for the first time, and I don't necessarily think it should impact the season's quality in general. It depends how you feel though, it did annoy me a tiny bit whenever I would accidently find spoilers but I don't think knowing certain placements decreases the value when you're watching it (not for me anyway).

I would suggest you watch Australia. All-Stars is season 8.

[Daniel-X]

Australia's good before the merge, it features one of the most notorious female contestants of all time. She's referred to as the very first 'villainess' of survivor and is still regarded as being one of the shows biggest villains.

[Daniel-X]

I wouldn't rush to watch Australia though, it might feel a bit flat after watching Borneo cos Borneo is much better. Don't really rush to watch Africa either its DIRE post-merge but the pre-merge is incredible.

[Daniel-X]

Also if you're not bothered about watching in order (idk are you?) I'd watch San Juan Del Sur or Gabon next! I've only seen nine seasons but those two and Borneo are definitley the three best.

[TomC]

Poor Colleen </3 I'll probably just go to Season 2.

[MB.]

If you're planning on watching in order up to All Stars but want to skip a season, btw, I'd suggest Thailand (season 5), because it's generally held in pretty low regard and has the least impact on All Stars in terms of returning players etc

[JerseyWins]

I'm breezing through Samoa now. I think it's a pretty damn good season and Russell is actually pretty great. :joker: Possibly my favorite this season although a couple people are close. He reminds me of like a Rated R (kinda vulgar/offensive) version of Tony from Cagayan (based on his craftiness and OTT playing / idol searching)... Not nearly as good as Tony nor as entertaining but still a good comparison for me as Tony is one of my favorites ever. Still, I'm enjoying finally watching Russell after hearing a lot about him. The way he plays the game is fun to watch. :clap1:

Getting close to the end... I just watched the
John blindside and I'm still wavering on whether I like him or not but I would've much preferred to see Dave go.

[Braden]

I think you should watch all of the season chronologically, TomC. I've done so since March last year and I'm currently on S22. It's fun watching them one after another, and it makes a lot of sense as far as watching seasons that have returning players.

[reece(:]

Not S22

[Braden]

It's a drag, let me tell you :laugh:

[MB.]

Yeah actually the best advice would be just to avoid s22 at all costs, Tom, other than that you're good

[TomC]

Noted guys!

omg, go Kelly, winning three immunity challenges in a row :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

Actually idk, I've now turned off of Russell just a little bit the last 2 episodes. I'm starting the finale and I'm still not even sure who I've liked the most. :joker: There's plenty of people I liked this season but no one was that special so it's a tough one.

[LukeB]

Noted guys!

omg, go Kelly, winning three immunity challenges in a row :clap1:

tbh don't avoid S22, I don't find it that bad but it's still worth a watch.

[MB.]

(It's really not worth a watch, unless as a last resort to the other superior seasons)

I can understand why you'd like Redemption Island considering the entire cast were chosen so that Boston Rob would be given an easy path to the million dollars, but... seriously, it's pretty much total ****

[Braden]

I thought the start of S22 was actually alright, but it got really ****ty around the merge. I watched half of Rice Wars, and then stopped and delayed watching for like two or three weeks :p

[TomC]

I am absolutely gobsmacked at Sue's speech. My jaw literally dropped at the moment she said she'd let the vultures have Kelly D:

That was an all-time shocking TV moment tbh.

[Macie Lightfoot]

oops I missed on a Borneo discussion but yeah pretty much everything in American reality TV is a reaction to Richard Hatch winning

[TomC]

Survivor: Borneo:
Jenna
Kelly
Susan
Colleen
Sean
Greg
Ramona
Sonja
Joel
Gervase
Stacey
Gretchen
Richard
Rudy
BB
Dirk

Don't really hate anyone tbh.

I'm not sure how to feel about it. It wasn't really what I expected - I mean I think I got wrong what Survivor was meant to be but I didn't like the domination by the Tagi tribe. It made it very predictable at times.

Top2 moments:
* When it was revealed that the Tagi tribe had picked off Greg when Richard said 'bye, bye Greg' in the confessional or words to that effect. So, so evil :joker:
* Sue's flabberghasting jury speech.

[VanessaFeltz.]

sue was a ****

[Macie Lightfoot]

I thought the start of S22 was actually alright, but it got really ****ty around the merge. I watched half of Rice Wars, and then stopped and delayed watching for like two or three weeks :p

The Buddy System and Rice Wars are without a doubt the two worst episodes in Survivor history so of course they come back-to-back :) Redemption Island is complete garbage and has next to no redeeming qualities.

And Australian Outback is must-watch if only for the fact that literally half the cast comes back to play for a second or third time at different points in the franchise.

[TomC]

She is an icon. Definitely Borneo's most memorable.

I'll start Australia on Thursday.

[reece(:]

I don't mind S22 pre-merge either

[MB.]

Yeah Sue's snakes and rats speech is probably the most iconic moment in Survivor history for most viewers who were watching at its Y2K peak, and it's what I'm talking about when I say just how instrumental Richard Hatch was to this show. It's funny that you say you didn't expect so much dominance from one tribe etc, when that was naturally one of the tamest seasons - the seasons that follow take the ball Hatch started rolling and run with it in so many different directions

Also most pre-merges tend to be entertaining at the least so I wouldn't give too much (/any) love to s22's

[JerseyWins]

Samoa... solid season... pretty good pre-merge and really good right after the merge. The season dulls out a bit towards the end though.

Oh and Russell redeemed himself in the finale after getting a little bit stale and/or annoying lately. :joker:

---(faves)---
1. Jaison (Russell was eh if not cringey at times so as entertaining as he was overall, I think Jaison was more consistently my favorite, a really rootable sidekick character)
2. Russell Hantz
3. Natalie
4. Shambo (wacky Shambo added a lot to this season :joker:)
---(liked)---
5. Erik (I somewhat liked him during the season but I actually preferred him much more afterwards during TC's & just in hindsight)
6. Brett
7. Yasmin
8. Mick
---(ok)---
9. John
10. Monica
11. Ashley
---(meh)---
12. Kelly
13. Russell Swan
14. Marisa
15. Betsy
16. Mike
17. Laura (Super tough to rank. I put her here because I kiiinda didn't like her by the end but 12-16 didn't do anything at all for me so I could easily rank her ahead of them on a different day)
---(dislike)---
18. Dave
19. Liz
20. Ben

Russell sooo deserved to win but I'm still very happy with Natalie winning because she was so sweet. :love: Although I also agree with Erik's little speech during the jury questioning... it's fair game for Russell to lose like that.

[reece(:]

Not queen Laura Morrett at the bottom

[MB.]

Scrap that, Russell Hantz is number two

[JerseyWins]

I mean, I cringed at some of the things he'd occasionally say but he dominated the season and made it enjoyable to watch. He destroyed everyone in a game sense and in his confessionals... like I said pretty fun to watch. :joker:

[reece(:]

He destroyed everyone in a game sense

But he lost

[EspeonBB]

Shambo/Natalie/Erik <3

[Macie Lightfoot]

you couldn't go ANYWHERE in the Survivor internet community in the fall of 2009 without getting a taste of the Russell/Natalie debates, it was unreal. Like, we kinda got like a quarter of the way there after Kaoh Rong but nothing will compare to the aftermath of Samoa.

[JerseyWins]

That's because you can't count out a bitter jury, which is fine, especially because Natalie actually knew what she was doing aligning with Russell so even though I don't think she deserved it over Russell, it depends on the jury and she's a perfectly fine winner. It's actually a kinda funny end to the season as well since Russell always said he'd be guaranteed to win against her. :joker:

With that said, Russell still destroyed everyone in the game tho... :joker: But doing that doesn't mean he has to win.

[EspeonBB]

It's Russell's fault the jury was bitter since his social game was horrendous whilst Natalie's was good (e.g. she was good friends with Laura's alliance) which is why they voted Natalie over Russell

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah, if you handpick the jury and they refuse to vote for you to win that really reflects worse on your game than the jury's decision.

[MB.]

Also Samoa could have been a decent season had it not been edited as a fourteen week-long sequel hook to Heroes vs. Villains, for which I'm even bitterer towards Russell

[JerseyWins]

So I usually don't watch the Reunion show (not sure if I should?) but I decided to watch some of it now and Russell is actually kinda pathetic in this. Basically begging/paying to get the title of Sole Survivor. :laugh3:

Although, him throwing Jaison's socks in the fire again... :joker:

[JerseyWins]

I'll probably already get started on Heroes vs. Villains soon since I don't have much to do today.

Although I'm overloading on Survivor last night & today so for now I'm just taking a look at the cast... Opposite from the Second Chances season that's supposed to be coming up, they picked waaay better females overall but the males they chose should still be interesting/polarizing enough characters. Hopefully the combinations make for a good season. :fc:

Amanda - Heeell Yeees :clap1:
Candice - Why her? :joker:
Cirie - Heeell Yeees :clap1:
Colby - Don't know him
James - :clap1:
JT - Heeell Yeees :clap1:
Sugar - Heeell Yeees :clap1:
Rupert - Still not sure
Stephenie - Sooo excited that she's back... feels like it's been a long time since I've seen her :clap1:
Tom - Ehhh I'd rather not see him back

Coach - Eek
Courtney - Heeell Yeees :clap1:
Danielle - Ok
Jerri - Don't know her
Parvati - :clap1: why is she even a Villain? :joker:
Randy - Kinda eek
Rob - Don't know him but I believe this is the Boston Rob that Phillip from Caramoan talked about?
Russell - Yes I'll see another season with him :clap1:
Sandra - Ok :clap1:
Tyson - Eek

[reece(:]

Boston Rob wasn't bad in HvsV

[JerseyWins]

I have faith in Boston Rob if he's some kind of Survivor legend but idk if I trust what Phillip says. :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Watching the first episode of HvV now and I'm loving this already. :joker: The first reward comp was great. Sandra snatching Sugar's bra and Sugar winning anyway and giving her two middle fingers. :laugh3: But oh I was so worried Stephenie was gonna get med-evac'd in the first comp. :worry:

[MB.]

Stepheme popping her shoulder back in place and getting straight back to beating people up :clap1:

[reece(:]

Mess didn't Courtney shout break her arm too

[JerseyWins]

Yeah idk what that was about... :joker: what a mess if it was actually done intentionally

Even bigger mess is this Dragon Slayer & Black Widow showmance

[JerseyWins]

Awww @ Sugar being the first to go. </3 But I'd kinda rather it be her than the others who were mentioned (Stephenie/Cirie/Amanda).

[LukeB]

Heroes vs. Villains is my favourite survivor season ever :lovedup: (it was my first too)

[TomC]

Looking forward to starting Australian Outback tomorrow!

[MB.]

I can assure you that it will RAWK

[LukeB]

Looking forward to starting Australian Outback tomorrow!

Enjoy the Jerri experience! :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

Ughhh at Stephenie going so soon. :( I was finding her to be really entertaining as well.

[TomC]

Can I just reiterate what a fantastic moment Sue's speech was :flutter: I re-watched it though, and it wasn't as impactful, but it hit me like a ton of bricks when i first heard it.

[Daniel-X]

Sues speech is iconic but omg it made me hate her for all of ten minutes, my jaw just dropped and I felt the deepest empathy for Kelly, I probably would've burst into tears had someone ripped a strip of me like Sue did.

[Samm]

It's a scream @ how jealous Sue was

[TomC]

It is the most vile thing I've ever heard but I loved it :blush:

[TomC]

Are alliances a thing in Australian Outback?

[TomC]

It doesn't feel right having it in the outback tbh. I preferred Borneo as a location!

[Jack_]

I know I'm late but yeah, Richard Hatch is to the entirety of reality TV what Dr Will is to BBUS. Him, Colleen and Greg <3

Australian Outback is a strange season for me, it's enjoyable enough but I came out the end of it having had literally no favourites at all. It's just watchable

[Ramsay]

Feel so burnt out after All Stars. Is Vanuatu any good?

[LukeB]

Feel so burnt out after All Stars. Is Vanuatu any good?

I hated that season, it was boring.

[MB.]

...yes, Vanuatu is good

[MB.]

(much better than All Stars, at least, not that it's a tricky hurdle to pass)

[Braden]

I personally loved Vanuatu, Karl.

It has one of my favourite Survivor contestants of all-time :)

[Headie]

Vanuatu is a very neutral season imo, I didn't have any strong feelings towards it one way or the other.

[JerseyWins]

I agree with Luke, Vanuatu was very boring.

Also, I just got to JT's blindside in HvsV... :( What a dumb move giving Russell the idol. :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Vanuatu is great bc Yas is gr8

[EspeonBB]

For me Vanuatu started off slowly but it improved a lot and the post-merge is great

[VanessaFeltz.]

Mia you valcano erupts more than i like
good luck finding a husband
that will put up with ya

[JerseyWins]

Heroes vs. Villains:

---(faves)---
1. Amanda (something about her is soooo sweet & likable every time)
2. J.T.
3. Stephenie
4. Cirie
---(like)---
5. Russell (still fun to watch but not as good as his first season and 2 seasons in a row of this is also a bit overkill)
6. Sandra (I could see myself ranking her around here or better on like any season, she can occasionally be a bit annoying but there was even less of that this time; normally very funny)
7. Sugar
---(ok)---
8. Rob
9. Parvati
10. Courtney (not bad but a bit disappointing after her greatness in China)
11. Rupert (again I don't know with him but I'm definitely not crazy about him)
---(meh)---
12. James (sadly he's been nowhere near as good since his first season)
13. Danielle (she had like one or two moments with Russell but meh sums her up)
14. Coach (more likable, less entertaining, still kinda funny to laugh at but not much more for me)
15. Tom
---(dislike)---
16. Tyson (he has like an awkward, harmless douchiness to him that I could see myself liking but I just don't for the most part)
17. Colby (mainly: boooring)
18. Candice (weird combination of boring & annoying again)
19. Jerri
20. Randy (this is where I'd have ranked him in Gabon too if I didn't find him somewhat amusing by the end for some reason)

I actually didn't love too much of this cast. Two of the ones I did like a lot went super early.

Also in this case I 100% think Russell deserved to lose. He didn't learn from his first time AND he played much more sloppy (made mistakes not just with jury management). Parvati made some of the big moves for him basically. I honestly kinda think Parvati should've won over Sandra though but I prefer Sandra anyway. :clap1:

[TomC]

How could Tina do that to Mad Dog? :(

That immunity challenge where they were all bound together was so intense

[TomC]

Wow I'm slacking so badly on S2.

[Macie Lightfoot]

keep watching sis ur slacking

[Jack_]

I just this minute finished Thailand and oh my god this season is a chore to endure

I don't know whether it's because I anticipated that it would be awful so paid less attention, or that it actually was just awful? It's strange, more happened than I thought would but yet I struggled to care about anyone or anything and only watched one episode at a time because I was so bored whereas I've marathoned most others

I still barely know anyone's name, am ambivalent towards most of them and only really liked Shii-Ann, Ghandia and Robb and they all left early :shrug: the final five onwards was incredibly predictable (I called every placing right) and idk there's just something about this season that really is atrocious

[TomC]

keep watching sis ur slacking

Yep lol only seen three episodes so far. Hopefully do another today

[TomC]

Omg that pig-killing scene was disturbing D:

[TomC]

I think Tina and maybe Nick are my favourites so far. I also think Jerri's an interesting character.

Michael is horrible.

I like how Colby is kind of playing both sides of the Ogakor tribe as well.

[Headie]

I just this minute finished Thailand and oh my god this season is a chore to endure

I don't know whether it's because I anticipated that it would be awful so paid less attention, or that it actually was just awful? It's strange, more happened than I thought would but yet I struggled to care about anyone or anything and only watched one episode at a time because I was so bored whereas I've marathoned most others

I still barely know anyone's name, am ambivalent towards most of them and only really liked Shii-Ann, Ghandia and Robb and they all left early :shrug: the final five onwards was incredibly predictable (I called every placing right) and idk there's just something about this season that really is atrocious

You're not alone dw, Shii Ann and Ghandia are literally the only good things about Thailand.

[Headie]

I think Tina and maybe Nick are my favourites so far. I also think Jerri's an interesting character.

Michael is horrible.

I like how Colby is kind of playing both sides of the Ogakor tribe as well.

Tina and Jerri are amazing :flutter: I didn't mind Skupin on Australia but he sucks on Philippines so much.

Colby sucks and I'll never understand his mass popularity.

[TomC]

Tina and Jerri are amazing :flutter: I didn't mind Skupin on Australia but he sucks on Philippines so much.

Colby sucks and I'll never understand his mass popularity.

Yeah I don't particularly like Colby so far but I think he's in the strongest position out of anyone atm.

[TomC]

Some people have literally had next to no airtime.. Like Elisabeth and Amber..

[reece(:]

Not pedo Skupin

[Macie Lightfoot]

ok but where is the love for Jan Gentry

[Headie]

Some people have literally had next to no airtime.. Like Elisabeth and Amber..

Elisabeth is brilliant tho :flutter:

[TomC]

Who is skupin and Jan Gentry

[MB.]

You're watching Skupin and Jan Gentry's from Thailand

[MB.]

(you'll definitely find out who (Michael) Skupin is circa episode 6)

[TomC]

Australian Outback Episode 7:
1: Tina
2: Nick
3: Jerri
4: Alicia
5: Elisabeth
6: Jeff
7: Amber
8: Rodger
9: Keith
10: Colby

Wow, I literally don't dislike anyone. Even people like Jerri and Jeff who are sort of villainous, I still like.

I am guessing the remaining members of Kucha will just get picked off now...

[TomC]

Did anyone get a gay vibe from Nick

[TomC]

Not Keith winning immunity again

[TomC]

Wow, blindside. I liked Alicia :(

It made me laugh when someone had drawn a strong person on their card, and she looked around laughing saying 'who did that'? :joker:

[TomC]

Why do my First Watch opinions keep getting paid dust

[reece(:]

Bcos you didn't mention Kimmi?

[TomC]

She was an irritant! She is probably the worst female tbh

[MB.]

:oh:

[reece(:]

She was an irritant! She is probably the worst female tbh

This is why we can't have nice things

[MB.]

I hope you get haunted by the ghost of Michael Skupin tbqh

[TomC]

What he's dead? D:

what happened with his hands? Like how bad were the burns

[MB.]

No, but he's a paedophile, which is probably worse

The fire left his skin dripping off his hands, so pretty bad

[MB.]

ps I couldn't seem to find a gif of Susie telling Corinne she was planning on voting for her so I used ten minutes of my life making (a crappy, low-quality) one

http://i.imgur.com/JBmVvO9.gif

[JerseyWins]

^ That was pretty funny :joker:

And then Corinne's reaction in her confessional... "Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaally?" :joker:

[reece(:]

https://67.media.tumblr.com/d43acb4e6bc8a09fa094dc63e0d8fe97/tumblr_n6w7prWAvh1s69mnlo1_500.gif

http://38.media.tumblr.com/c60cd1cd1f05afa92ecd2e0d12668f14/tumblr_inline_ndive5RUiT1rgcrzt.gif

[MB.]

I didn't look very hard at all then

[TomC]

Wow, poor Jerri getting betrayed. I keep thinking how predictable this series is and then there's a surprise at TC. :joker: Still, I'd rather Jerri went over Elisabeth. I think it's very obvious that Nick, Elisabeth and Rodger will be the next three to go (unless one of them wins immunity at F5).

Final 7 Rankings:
1: Tina
2: Elisabeth
3: Nick
4: Amber
5: Rodger
6: Keith
7: Colby

[TomC]

Ugh why did 3 of my favourites have to go in a row? And I bet Elizabeth is next </3

[TomC]

Ugh, immunity three times for Colby :rolleyes:

[TomC]

Once again, I only like one of the final three! Glad Tina wins though :love: She hasn't actually been a very strong player strategically or in competitions but she is for sure the nicest.

[TomC]

Is Season 3 good?

[reece(:]

The premerge is good

[Jack_]

What Reece said, I preferred it to the Outback cause I actually had some favourites

Marquesas that follows is even better though

[Macie Lightfoot]

She hasn't actually been a very strong player strategically or in competitions but she is for sure the nicest.

lol Tina is one of the fakest people alive and is CUTTHROAT.

and yes, Africa is great especially for The Samburu Experience :love:

[TomC]

lol Tina is one of the fakest people alive and is CUTTHROAT.

and yes, Africa is great especially for The Samburu Experience :love:

What makes you think Tina is fake and cutthroat?

The only example I can think of is when she voted Maralyn off.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Well for starters her main strategy / character trait is to use her sketchy morals to unite people against a common enemy all whole moralizing about how The Good People deserve to win. it's without a doubt the most effective strategy to take when you're on the sequel season to Borneo but eh it's a tad off-putting for me.

[Daniel-X]

I don't rate Africa that much post-merge, pre-merge is brilliant and The Lindsey Richter Experience is something everyone deserves. I can imagine you loving the fabulous and delightful T-Bird too :love:

[JerseyWins]

Nicaragua

I still need to see who makes it to the final 3 and wins but I don't have time to finish it right now so I'll see later.

---(faves)---
1. Jud (Fabioooo :joker:)
2. Brenda (she seemed different this time than she was in Caramoan but I like both Brendas)
3. Benry
4. Kelly Purple
---(lmaooo)---
5. NaOnka
---(liked)---
6. Kelly B
7. Jimmy J
8. Jimmy T
9. Jane
---(ok)---
10. Marty
11. Wendy
12. Sash
13. Alina
---(meh)---
14. Chase
15. Holly (I liked her in the beginning but became meh)
16. Dan (I found him funny at like a few random times but overall extremely meh)
17. Jill
18. Yve
19. Tyrone
---(disliked)---
20. Shannon (I kinda liked the little alliance he had but he started out douchey and not entertaining at all)

[JerseyWins]

I decided to just search up who wins real quick and LMAO @ Fabio winning the season. :clap1:

[TomC]

Well for starters her main strategy / character trait is to use her sketchy morals to unite people against a common enemy all whole moralizing about how The Good People deserve to win. it's without a doubt the most effective strategy to take when you're on the sequel season to Borneo but eh it's a tad off-putting for me.

Can you think of an example for this behaviour? I just cant see it myself :joker: She just potters along in the game, and hasn't been manipulative in the slightest

[Braden]

I think what Macie is referring to was never clear within the episodes but definitely occurred. I think the help of being linked to a few alliance members like Colby (for example) made her seems a lot less of a schemer than what she was. Many game-moves like getting rid of Jerri, Keeping Rodger and Elizabeth, etc. were made out to be done solely on good intentions...I supposeit did help strategy wise ebcause she won.

I hope you enjoy Africa btw, it's quite an underrated season.

[TomC]

I am so surprised that Colby chose to get rid of Keith. Surely he would have been much less of a threat in the F2?

[Macie Lightfoot]

She "casually" asked Kimmi who Debb voted for and kept that information her back pocket until it was needed, voting out Maralyn without any reservations like you mentioned bc she had her majority alliance with Jerri/Amber/Mitchell/Colby, she realized she was on the bottom of that alliance (partly bc of what Jerri said at TC) and as a result latched onto Keith and brainwashed Colby into voting out Mitchell on the walk to Tribal Council and as a result became the power player in a strong three-person alliance, stood in the merge IC just long enough to ensure that Keith gets Immunity and then use her knowledge of Jeff's past votes against him, took out Jerri in efforts to isolate Amber and simultaneously make Rodger and Lis feel indebted to her, decidedly took Rodger out before Elisabeth at F5 because he admitted that she needed the money more and thus in Tina's faux morals "she deserved it more than him," and wound up in a F3 scenario where she automatically won because there was no way Colby or Keith would take each other to the end.

Tina didn't present herself as a schemer but it was all a facade -- remember, this is directly after Richard Hatch wins Borneo and is hated by America for ruining the integrity of Survivor. Australian Outback had a whole level of metagame because after seeing Hatch break the system, you knew that that's what you had to do to win, but you also knew that you couldn't present it as such since Hatch was a despised pop culture figure at the time. Tina didn't want you to think that she voted out Mitchell because she caused a power switch literally on the hike to Tribal Council, she did it because he was weak (her TC voting confessional blows that image up -- in the spirit of the Olympics, let the games begin!) She didn't want you to think she took out Jerri because it was the best option for her strategically, it was because Jerri was mean. She was forced to run the game without giving off the appearance that she cares about The Game, but she did it stunningly.

[Braden]

I forgot she asked Kimmi who Debb voted for :joker:

Kimmi said in one of her interviews pre-Cambodia that Jeff was the person who actually revealed it, lmao.

[TomC]

She "casually" asked Kimmi who Debb voted for and kept that information her back pocket until it was needed, voting out Maralyn without any reservations like you mentioned bc she had her majority alliance with Jerri/Amber/Mitchell/Colby, she realized she was on the bottom of that alliance (partly bc of what Jerri said at TC) and as a result latched onto Keith and brainwashed Colby into voting out Mitchell on the walk to Tribal Council and as a result became the power player in a strong three-person alliance, stood in the merge IC just long enough to ensure that Keith gets Immunity and then use her knowledge of Jeff's past votes against him, took out Jerri in efforts to isolate Amber and simultaneously make Rodger and Lis feel indebted to her, decidedly took Rodger out before Elisabeth at F5 because he admitted that she needed the money more and thus in Tina's faux morals "she deserved it more than him," and wound up in a F3 scenario where she automatically won because there was no way Colby or Keith would take each other to the end.

Wow you really do pay a lot of attention, I can't even remember half of this stuff and I'm watching it right now....

[Macie Lightfoot]

well a lot of it isn't explicitly featured in the episodes for reasons I edited in, and you do really have to look for some of these things to see them get hinted at. The closest you get to Tina admitting this is her voting confessional during the Mitchell vote (In the spirit of the Olympics, let the games begin!) and her final confessional of the season where she says that she came out here to play a great game and win rather than giving it to someone just because they deserve it. I've also seen Australian Outback more times than I would like to admit, so that helps.

If you wanna see what Tina's really like, she comes back in Blood vs. Water and doesn't need to keep up her Good People facade and openly talks about how she'd take out her daughter if it would help her game (and genuinely so in a "I will win at all costs" way, not a Ciera Eastin "I want to be remembered and secure my spot on another season" way) :joker:

[TomC]

Yeah I was just gonna say, looking at the table on Wiki a lot of thsi stuff rings true in hindsight. Does this not make you value her as a player though?

[TomC]

when did Tina ask Kimmi who Debb voted for?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Right before the Episode 2 RC where they had to jump off the cliff. Not shown in the episode but openly discussed as Kimmi's big mouth (or Jeff's, according to Kimmi) ruining any chances of Kucha winning.

Tom, let me know what you think of Jerri's FTC question when you get to it :joker:

[TomC]

I am just about to watch it!

[TomC]

Wow, what an awful idea that live segment in the final was. Is that a regular thing?

[TomC]

The Australian Outback:
Tina
Alicia
Nick
Elisabeth
Jerri
Maralyn
Jeff
Rodger
Amber
Kimmi
Debb
Kel
Mitchell
Colby
Keith
Michael

[LukeB]

Did you enjoy Jerri Tom?

[Lostie!]

Kel
Mitchell

Omg

[Headie]

She "casually" asked Kimmi who Debb voted for and kept that information her back pocket until it was needed, voting out Maralyn without any reservations like you mentioned bc she had her majority alliance with Jerri/Amber/Mitchell/Colby, she realized she was on the bottom of that alliance (partly bc of what Jerri said at TC) and as a result latched onto Keith and brainwashed Colby into voting out Mitchell on the walk to Tribal Council and as a result became the power player in a strong three-person alliance, stood in the merge IC just long enough to ensure that Keith gets Immunity and then use her knowledge of Jeff's past votes against him, took out Jerri in efforts to isolate Amber and simultaneously make Rodger and Lis feel indebted to her, decidedly took Rodger out before Elisabeth at F5 because he admitted that she needed the money more and thus in Tina's faux morals "she deserved it more than him," and wound up in a F3 scenario where she automatically won because there was no way Colby or Keith would take each other to the end.

Tina didn't present herself as a schemer but it was all a facade -- remember, this is directly after Richard Hatch wins Borneo and is hated by America for ruining the integrity of Survivor. Australian Outback had a whole level of metagame because after seeing Hatch break the system, you knew that that's what you had to do to win, but you also knew that you couldn't present it as such since Hatch was a despised pop culture figure at the time. Tina didn't want you to think that she voted out Mitchell because she caused a power switch literally on the hike to Tribal Council, she did it because he was weak (her TC voting confessional blows that image up -- in the spirit of the Olympics, let the games begin!) She didn't want you to think she took out Jerri because it was the best option for her strategically, it was because Jerri was mean. She was forced to run the game without giving off the appearance that she cares about The Game, but she did it stunningly.

All of this is why Tina is one of my favourite winners :love:

[Jack_]

Wow, what an awful idea that live segment in the final was. Is that a regular thing?

Yes, the votes are read live in the US on every season after Borneo :laugh:

[JerseyWins]

Yeah, I usually don't bother with the live reunion. The one for Kaoh Rong (the only one I've seen live) was atrocious and that turned me off the idea as a whole.

I've now finished Nicaragua and might start Redemption Island in a little bit. I've already seen people comment on here a few times that this season is awful. Let's see I guess.

[TomC]

Did you enjoy Jerri Tom?

I certainly liked her, but she was much more meh than I expected. I thought she was meant to be Australia's villain, and she wasn't like that at all IMO.

Omg

?
Neither were memorable tbh

Yes, the votes are read live in the US on every season after Borneo :laugh:

That's so gross. Hopefully it's executed better in future, but it just seems not right not having the winner crowned where the series took place

[MB.]

It's much harder for spoilers to leak when the votes are read in a studio in LA six months later, than if they're read six months before in a Nicaraguan jungle and half the cast + all the crew know the result

[TomC]

It's much harder for spoilers to leak when the votes are read in a studio in LA six months later, than if they're read six months before in a Nicaraguan jungle and half the cast + all the crew know the result

They could film two endings like they do in The Apprentice UK

[MB.]

Well they couldn't because there are only one set of votes, unless they made everyone vote twice/three times which would confuse everything even further

[TomC]

Well they couldn't because there are only one set of votes, unless they made everyone vote twice/three times which would confuse everything even further

It could be edited quite easily, but actually, on second thoughts, the fake reactions on TA are pretty bad

[Daniel-X]

Jerri deserves better! :rant:

[TomC]

Just seen the first episode of Africa!

I was glad Diane went tbh, she just wasn't cut out for it, and I felt a bit sorry for Clarence tbh.

I don't know who wins this season so no spoilers please!

[TomC]

Just seen the first episode of Africa!

I was glad Diane went tbh, she just wasn't cut out for it, and I felt a bit sorry for Clarence tbh.

I don't know who wins this season so no spoilers please!

[Braden]

I'm intrigued to hear your opinions on Lindsey Ritcher :love:

[TomC]

She didn't really feature in ep1!

[Braden]

Get ready for her, Tom! :love:

[TomC]

Oh I realise who Lindsey is now, she's one of my favourites.

[TomC]

That cow blood drinking scenes is probably one of the most vile things I've seen on TV

[JerseyWins]

Russell going so soon & losing the R.I. battle SMH... I like most of Rob's tribe (including Rob himself who's GREAT this time and I find Phillip hilarious this time :joker:) but I hate most of Russell's tribe. Stephanie & Krista tho :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh dear...

[MB.]

In other news, my Micronesia re-watch will resume shortly, which is nice because I'm getting to the good/-er bit

[TomC]

Poor Linda/Tess from Casualty <\3 She was a crazy lady!

It was a scream when Lindsey rejected her hug and Linda said 'did your momma not hug you as a child' and Lindsey then began crying :joker:

[TomC]

It's also surprising to know Judy Murray's first media experience was on Survivor: Africa.

[EspeonBB]

Lindsey :love: an underrated star :love:

[Lostie!]

?
Neither were memorable tbh

Oh I assume you never heard of Kel Mitchell then :laugh:

[TomC]

Oh I assume you never heard of Kel Mitchell then :laugh:

Nope haha

[VanessaFeltz.]

The Australian Outback:
Tina
Alicia
Nick
Elisabeth
Jerri
Maralyn
Jeff
Rodger
Amber
Kimmi
Debb
Kel
Mitchell
Colby
Keith
Michael

:fist::fist::fist::fist::fist::fist::fist::fist:

[TomC]

:fist::fist::fist::fist::fist::fist::fist::fist:

Debb was strange and annoying!

[VanessaFeltz.]

Debb was strange and annoying!

Debb was the most important cast member that season :smug:

[MB.]

I'm surprised Debb didn't rawk your world

[TomC]

I don't understand how the youths of Samburu can possibly be mad at the elders for giving their votes to Silas? The young ones are screwing the older ones over, like they had no reason not to tell them who was going, so there's no reason not for them to try and screw them as well :laugh:

[VanessaFeltz.]

I don't understand how the youths of Samburu can possibly be mad at the elders for giving their votes to Silas? The young ones are screwing the older ones over, like they had no reason not to tell them who was going, so there's no reason not for them to try and screw them as well :laugh:

still one of them was going to survive through the merge like planned 5-5 and that person could go very far and survive the young alliance when it came down to 5 of them because that alliance was shaky as ****. It was a very risky thing for older people to do that because at that point they only saw borneo and australia.

In those seasons there was no tribal switch and the tribe who got the adventage at the first tribal always made it to f3. But the people who had a rough start (Kelly 2nd Keith 3rd) had a very good chance at making far

[TomC]

Wow, I am so shocked that Silas got voted out by his tribe... Damn, he was hot too

[Braden]

Silas is one of the most beautiful men in the world.

[TomC]

Rankings after Episode 5:
1: Lindsey
2: Kelly
3: Brandon
4: Judy Murray (I genuinely can't remember her name?)
5: Teresa
6: Ethan
7: Clarence
8: Kim (has she had a second of airtime)
9: Tom (makes me laugh, but I don't appreciate the use of the word queer)
10: Lex
11: Frank

[TomC]

Nooooo not Lindsey! :( She was literally the most interesting character there! If only they hadn't done that bloody tribe swap :fist: That was a really good episode though, with Lindsey's moral conflict over who should go, when in fact she was the one in the firing line.

On a side note, I am really enjoying working my way through Survivor! :love: I just love how each season is a little bit different, and there's something new each time, and I also look forward to All-Stars!

[reece(:]

Lindsey and Kelly top two <3

[MB.]

Glad we've got you hooked Tom :clap1:

[TomC]

Glad we've got you hooked Tom :clap1:

It's such a great show!

Which seasons have returnees?

[MB.]

From Africa or in general? In general, 8, 11, 16, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27 and 31

[TomC]

From Africa or in general? In general, 8, 11, 16, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27 and 31

In general, thanks :)

Lindsey gets a second chance right? Also, is it true Seasons 21-24 are quite bad?

[MB.]

The early-mid 20s are generally considered the worst, yeah, but that doesn't mean none of them are worth watching (25 in particular is widely thought to be a return to form, and even the suckier seasons of Survivor are pretty good by reality TV standards)

There haven't been many returnees from Africa recently, but as a first-time viewer I'm sure it'll be fun to find out as you go so I'll try not to spoil too much in that respect!

[TomC]

The early-mid 20s are generally considered the worst, yeah, but that doesn't mean none of them are worth watching (25 in particular is widely thought to be a return to form, and even the suckier seasons of Survivor are pretty good by reality TV standards)

There haven't been many returnees from Africa recently, but as a first-time viewer I'm sure it'll be fun to find out as you go so I'll try not to spoil too much in that respect!

Yeah that's what I thought tbh. I'm looking forward to seeing who's in All-Stars when I get there!

I know Sue makes an appearance.

[MB.]

Micronesia

Tracy
Cirie
Jason
Eliza
Kathy
Ami
Natalie
Parvati
Chet
Alexis
Amanda
Erik
Yau-Man
Penner
Mikey B
James
Jonny Fairplay
Mary
Joel
Ozzy

[JerseyWins]

Yeah even though I find plenty of the people left to be kinda entertaining on their own, Redemption Island (the twist and the season in general) just isn't doing it for me. I'm slacking pretty badly on it. Tried to get some more watching in now but I'm giving up after an episode.

[MB.]

Next comes Palau, aka The Wanda Shirk Experience + 37 other days

[JerseyWins]

Decided to get through the rest of Redemption Island tonight and I'm on the jury questioning during the finale now.

Phillip (while sounding like a whiny child): You sound like a whiny child!

Phillip Sheppard everybody. :laugh3:

I've found him pretty annoying at times (mainly the Stealth R Us code names / corporation bs - which is part of why I didn't like him much last time) but damn this guy cracked me up a lot through the season. :joker: :joker: :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Omg these have to be the two biggest goats taken to the end in Survivor history.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Next comes Palau, aka The Wanda Shirk Experience + 37 other days

QUEEN

[JerseyWins]

Redemption Island

Terrific final 6 or so IMO that resulted in a few quality final moments to end the season... it was a decently good season at first which died out through the middle & became predictable by the end but definitely had its moments with Phillip constantly acting a fool around camp. :joker: Also enjoyable to see Rob entertain while also completing an amazing game even if it made for a boringly predictable mid-to-end game with no power shifts. It makes me wish I saw all of Rob's seasons before seeing this one but oh well.

---(faves)---
1. Boston Rob
2. Stephanie
3. Russell
4. Phillip
5. Natalie
---(liked)---
6. Ashley
7. Grant
8. Krista
---(ok)---
9. Andrea
10. Matt
11. Ralph
12. Francesca
---(meh)---
13. Sarita
14. Kristina
---(disliked)---
15. Steve
16. Mike
17. Julie
18. David

I'm tired and I also had a long gap between watching episodes so it's sort of tough to think back but I'd go with something like that for a cast ranking.