First Watch/Re-Watch Survivor Thread

[Raph]

Ah Kelly is actually so much better than Sierra/Lindsay

Liking her alliance with home boy from Texas, Mike!

[MB.]

Casually waiting for the point where the season turns to **** like

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[Raph]

End of episode 4, another terrific boot :clap1: Really liking this male cast tbh

1. Joe
2. Shirin
3. Mike
4. Joaquin
5. Max
6. Rodney
7. Kelly
8. Hali
9. Dan
10. Tyler
11. Will
12. Jenn
13. Lindsey
14. Sierra

[DouglasS]

Seriously though Raph, S30 is well renowned for possibly having the most dislikable cast ever [Not adding to negativity, you may see when you get towards the end of the show/see the reunion/finale show].

Although your top 3 are probably my top 3 from the season

[Raph]

End of episode 5, sad to see Max go :( The boys this cast >>> the girls

1. Joe
2. Shirin
3. Mike
4. Max
5. Joaquin
6. Rodney
7. Kelly
8. Tyler
9. Will
10. Carolyn
11. Hali
12. Sierra
13. Jenn - ugh really dislike her -.-

[Macie Lightfoot]

Let's see how much longer the male cast will be enjoyable........x

[MB.]

btw Raph I see you like the cast so much that you've left a different person off your rankings for the past two episodes (although one of them was Dan, so I don't blame you)

[Raph]

btw Raph I see you like the cast so much that you've left a different person off your rankings for the past two episodes (although one of them was Dan, so I don't blame you)

haha who was the other one I forgot? :laugh:

[MB.]

Carolyn, who isn't amazing either but is probably a solid top five in this cast

[JerseyWins]

Mama C :love:

Rodney was pretty entertaining to watch too but one of the few memorable characters in the season IMO.

I don't have strong feelings towards World Apart as a season either but it definitely wasn't awful from an entertainment standpoint.

[Raph]

Joe is my spirit animal

[Raph]

End of episode 6, sad to see my dude joaq go! I was liking his bromance with Rodders

1. Joe
2. Shirin
3. Mike
4. Joaquin
5. Kelly
6. Rodney
7. Tyler
8. Sierra
9. Will
10. Dan
11. Carolyn
12. Hali
13. Jenn - someone who looks down on superfans like shirin and max who love the game, are completely pathetic in my books. Girl bye!

[Raph]

I absolutely loved how Mike threw the comp to Kelly though - super interesting gameplay and most exciting game move I've seen on survivor so far! Mike is an excellent player :D

[Raph]

Also arguably most attractive male cast haha Joe, Joaquin and Rodney tho :lovedup:

[Raph]

Kelly and Mike's alliance gives me such good vibes :clap1:

[Raph]

Merica such a great tribe name hahaha :joker:

[Raph]

End of Episode 7.

1. Joe
2. Shirin
3. Mike
4. Kelly
5. Rodney
6. Jenn - surprised at this one :laugh: was exciting to see her use the idol!
7. Tyler
8. Carolyn
9. Sierra
10. Hali
11. Dan
12. Will

[MB.]

Rodney tho :lovedup:

Good grief

[Raph]

Omg Joe having to pick the last person to join the reward and Shirin says "superfan?" and he replies "superfan" and picks her, that was the best survivor moment i've seen yet :blush2: n'awwww

[Firewire]

This cannot be real

[Raph]

We all appreciate different things! :)

[Raph]

And clearly I'm not the only one who likes Joe and shirin as they were the two voted into the next season by the fans

[MB.]

tbh I don't think it's Joe and Shirin that anyone's worrying about

[Braden]

D: It's strange that you're not appreciating Hali and Sierra for the game-changers that they are.

[Raph]

tbh I don't think it's Joe and Shirin that anyone's worrying about

Well they and Mike are my favorites by far!

[MB.]

D: It's strange that you're not appreciating Hali and Sierra for the game-changers that they are.

I can't believe Fan Favourite Sierra Dawn Thomas isn't living up to her name

[Raph]

Well hearing Sierra was from utah definitely made her better in my books but I'm yet to see her do anything exciting tbh

[Macie Lightfoot]

D: It's strange that you're not appreciating Hali and Sierra for the game-changers that they are.

"WE TRULY ARE WORLDS APART O_O" --Sierra Dawn Thomas --Macie Lightfoot

[DouglasS]

Well hearing Sierra was from utah definitely made her better in my books but I'm yet to see her do anything exciting tbh

Mike, Joe, Shirin and even Jenn were my faves of the season, I agree with your faves

[Raph]

Mike, Joe, Shirin and even Jenn were my faves of the season, I agree with your faves

Yay! 'Nice to see a post where someone isn't making fun of the people I support. Good stuff dude :)

[Braden]

Raph, you are so passively condescending towards people. Not everyone is going to agree or disagree with you. Stop with this whole 'poor me' act. Everyone is just talking about Survivor.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Did anyone even make fun of who he was supporting? Like, I just reread the last page and a half and it's just Raph talking to himself and other people making jokes about Hali and Sierra.

[LukeB]

Raph, you are so passively condescending towards people. Not everyone is going to agree or disagree with you. Stop with this whole 'poor me' act. Everyone is just talking about Survivor.

Lmao at the jumping on the lets go against raph bandwagon.. if he is then good because others do it to him so its fully deserved.

[reece(:]

I'd comment but I don't wish to discuss Worlds Apart for another... say few years?

[Raph]

Raph, you are so passively condescending towards people. Not everyone is going to agree or disagree with you. Stop with this whole 'poor me' act. Everyone is just talking about Survivor.

Nope, just nice to have some positivity in the thread, as I always ask for kindly :)

[Raph]

I'd comment but I don't wish to discuss Worlds Apart for another... say few years?

Who did you like in this season Reece? I could totally see you stanning So and Shirin :D Always like to hear your thoughts too!

[Braden]

Lmao at the jumping on the lets go against raph bandwagon.. if he is then good because others do it to him so its fully deserved.

I was never aginst Raph or you, until you jumped on a bandwagon against me. I apologised about that, but I am quite frankly sick to death of the both of you routinely feeling sorry for yourselves over the most pathetic things. You both have a complex and love feeling sorry for yourselves. We were actually friends before you felt the need to attack me.

Not to worry now though since you're both on my ignore list.

[Raph]

JOE WINS IMMUNITY AGAIN! Happy days :D

[Raph]

I was never aginst Raph or you, until you jumped on a bandwagon against me. I apologised about that, but I am quite frankly sick to death of the both of you routinely feeling sorry for yourselves over the most pathetic things. You both have a complex and love feeling sorry for yourselves. We were actually friends before you felt the need to attack me.

Not to worry now though since you're both on my ignore list.

Shame to hear that dude! I enjoy reading your posts and sharing opinions with you!

[LukeB]

I was never aginst Raph or you, until you jumped on a bandwagon against me. I apologised about that, but I am quite frankly sick to death of the both of you routinely feeling sorry for yourselves over the most pathetic things. You both have a complex and love feeling sorry for yourselves. We were actually friends before you felt the need to attack me.

Not to worry now though since you're both on my ignore list.

Wasn't attacking you.. you always the one attacking others.

[reece(:]

Who did you like in this season Reece? I could totally see you stanning So and Shirin :D Always like to hear your thoughts too!
I loved Shirin, Hali, Mike, Nina, Lindsey

Had high hopes for So and it was a shame she went out first after not getting on San Juan del Sur because of her sister, icr the reason why though

[Macie Lightfoot]

Raph, you're watching a highly controversial that only aired a year and a half ago. It's one of the least positive seasons of Survivor ever (and not in a fun way like Amazon or BBUK6), so there isn't much positivity to discuss.

[Raph]

Lmao at the jumping on the lets go against raph bandwagon.. if he is then good because others do it to him so its fully deserved.

Thanks buddy :) Just some examples so easy to find them :laugh:

When I said the Shirin and Joe bonding moment was cute...

This cannot be real

When I said I liked the tribes...

"I'm a white collar haha we Make The Rules"
"I'm a blue collar and Rules Are Meant To Be Followed"
*sees someone wearing a peace sign necklace* "oh you just LOOK like a no collar aka a stain on society :) :) :)"

[Braden]

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[MB.]

Raph, you're watching a highly controversial that only aired a year and a half ago. It's one of the least positive seasons of Survivor ever (and not in a fun way like Amazon or BBUK6), so there isn't much positivity to discuss.

tbh

I think it's just a little unfortunate that you've chosen All Stars and Worlds Apart as your first two seasons to re-watch, really, Raph, and if people have negative opinions on the cast then that's only fair enough (also the collars thing was and still is awful)

[Raph]

I loved Shirin, Hali, Mike, Nina, Lindsey

Had high hopes for So and it was a shame she went out first after not getting on San Juan del Sur because of her sister, icr the reason why though

Oh what is the story of her sister? She's on a different season? :amazed: And yeah such a shame as she seemed smart, determined and was so pretty :laugh: hahaha

Raph, you're watching a highly controversial that only aired a year and a half ago. It's one of the least positive seasons of Survivor ever (and not in a fun way like Amazon or BBUK6), so there isn't much positivity to discuss.

I respect that, and i'm curious to see how it pans out as I'm surprisingly loving this season despite the negative reviews! Is it regarded badly like BB15USA is?

[MB.]

So was supposed to be competing with her sister Doo in the previous season but Doo was pulled for medical reasons just before filming began, and since it was a Blood vs. Water season, So was pulled as well - hence why she was given a second chance the following season (something similar happened with seasons 11 and 12 as well)

[Raph]

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And then you ask why I say people don't respect my opinions lololol just be friendly and learn and understand from each other, it's all part of the fun of the forum :) Probably why I like Joe so much he reminds me of me with his positive outlook to everything!

tbh

I think it's just a little unfortunate that you've chosen All Stars and Worlds Apart as your first two seasons to re-watch, really, Raph, and if people have negative opinions on the cast then that's only fair enough (also the collars thing was and still is awful)

Fair, hopefully the next one I pick isn't as universally hated :laugh:

[MB.]

As long as you don't pick Redemption Island or Caramoan next, you should be okay

[Raph]

So was supposed to be competing with her sister Doo in the previous season but Doo was pulled for medical reasons just before filming began, and since it was a Blood vs. Water season, So was pulled as well - hence why she was given a second chance the following season (something similar happened with seasons 11 and 12 as well)

Oh I see, what a shame! A double duo of Kim sisters, can't imagine a better sibling duo :laugh:

[Raph]

As long as you don't pick Redemption Island or Caramoan next, you should be okay

Haha noted! :D

[Braden]

Not to sound even more depressing, but I have literally left my Redemption Island watch on a six month hiatus. I stopped right before the finale, but I am planning to get watching seasons 21-26 properly. Then I'll be caught up with every single season in time for Game Changers.

[Macie Lightfoot]

When I said I liked the tribes...

That is... not in any way, shape, or form a direct attack against you :conf: Survivor's themes have been a complete joke for years now, and it's laughably absurd how Jeff Probst acts like he's enacting out a revolutionary social experiment when he's just coming up with random ways to arbitrarily divide the tribes (in this case, probably because he read up on Occupy Wall Street or something.) Like, there's no way we are supposed to take the idea of "no collar" seriously because it's not a real thing.

It seems like you're just upset that people are being negative about the season you're currently watching and you want us to stop, but that's not how opinions work. You're enjoying a season that most people dislike, good for you. It doesn't make you a victim.

[MB.]

Troy, when you make direct attacks on people, do you use the letter 'u' or the word 'you'?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Not to sound even more depressing, but I have literally left my Redemption Island watch on a six month hiatus. I stopped right before the finale, but I am planning to get watching seasons 21-26 properly. Then I'll be caught up with every single season in time for Game Changers.

My favorite thing about the end game of Redemption Island (or rather, the thing I hated the least?) was when the show clearly ran out of people to edit as adversaries to Rob and tried to sell Ashley as his main opposition in the eleventh hour :joker: It was completely inauthentic and a hilarious byproduct of Survivor always feeling the need to be suspenseful even when the end result is painfully obvious.

Also, what are our thoughts on Amber as the original Ometepe girl?

[EspeonBB]

Mike and Shirin were the only people I liked in Worlds Apart

Dan, Will and Rodney :yuk: Some of the worst Survivors ever

[Macie Lightfoot]

Troy, when you make direct attacks on people, do you use the letter 'u' or the word 'you'?

*puts feather in my hair* 'u' because Millennials and No Collar are apparently the same thing (as are Gen X and Blue Collar???)

[Braden]

My favorite thing about the end game of Redemption Island (or rather, the thing I hated the least?) was when the show clearly ran out of people to edit as adversaries to Rob and tried to sell Ashley as his main opposition in the eleventh hour :joker: It was completely inauthentic and a hilarious byproduct of Survivor always feeling the need to be suspenseful even when the end result is painfully obvious.

Also, what are our thoughts on Amber as the original Ometepe girl?

I feel like I would understand that Amber/Ometepe reference if I actually remebered what happened during Redemption Island :p

It was such a mess, wasn't Ashley considered to come back for BvW as well?

[Raph]

Not to sound even more depressing, but I have literally left my Redemption Island watch on a six month hiatus. I stopped right before the finale, but I am planning to get watching seasons 21-26 properly. Then I'll be caught up with every single season in time for Game Changers.

I want to do the same thing! Watch all the seasons with people who will be in game changers :D

[Raph]

End of Episode 8:

1. Joe
2. Shirin
3. Mike
4. Hali
5. Rodney
6. Jenn
7. Tyler
8. Sierra
9. Will
10. Carolyn
11. Dan

[Raph]

Superfan Shirin correcting Dan on Survivor history :clap1:

[Raph]

Mike and Shirin bonding :lovedup:

[Raph]

Gross at the chocolate buffet, i'd rather lose the challenge :joker:

[Raph]

End of episode 9:

1. Joe :(
2. Shirin
3. Mike
4. Rodney
5. Jenn
6. Tyler
7. Sierra
8. Will
9. Dan
10. Carolyn

[Raph]

Shirin saying 'no' to Will's letter suggestion - WHAT A QUEEN hahahaha

[Raph]

I love how Jen and Shirin's friendship turned around! I don't know but this season is still so gripping for me. Mike is such a great dude.

[Raph]

End of episode 10:

1. Shirin
2. Mike
3. Jenn - lowkey grew to like her.
4. Rodney
5. Tyler
6. Dan
7. Sierra
8. Will
9. Carolyn

[DouglasS]

You've made it far enough in the season to probably also be confused why Hali [likable enough girl, but many better survivors to pick from] and Sierra [just why in general] have been casted for another season.

All of us are also confused :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Sierra's actually one of the people I'm most looking forward to, thank you very much.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah, very random Worlds Apart choices for Game Changers. :joker:

Joe & Shirin made perfect sense for returns. Jenn would've made so much more sense than Hali.

Is Rodney too controversial to bring back or are they just waiting / or he doesn't want to come back? I feel like Game Changers would've been a solid time for him to return just because he played the game in kind of a unique way.

Also I'm surprised Mike hasn't been brought back yet seeing as he was basically the focal point of Worlds Apart and wasn't even really involved at all in the backlash on humanity from what I saw watching afterwards.

[Braden]

I'm not confused [/NickyMaxwell]

[reece(:]

Free spirited Hali who was doing the Lord's work trying to save Nina :love:

[reece(:]

Rodney must NEVER return! Know that

[JerseyWins]

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[Braden]

The thing I love most about Hali and Sierra coming back is that Max gloated on Twitter (many many months ago) and told several Survivor fans he is was arguing with that there was no way that the likes of Dan and Rodney would not be returning, and if there was ever a returnee season they would be the first people asked back because of what they brought to Worlds Apart.

Cut to Game Changers and we're about to watch the two most inoffensive cast members from that season play again :p

Not to gloat myself, but I genuinely am really excited for both Hali and Sierra.

[reece(:]

Once Sierra apologies for not taking a flipping opportunity and continuing to support evil, I'll allow her a pass!

[MB.]

It's also quite amusing that given Brad and Troyzan are in this cast, Max probably would have been as well if he hadn't leaked s31

[Braden]

It's also quite amusing that given Brad and Troyzan are in this cast, Max probably would have been as well if he hadn't leaked s32

That sucked :(

[Macie Lightfoot]

Once Sierra apologies for not taking a flipping opportunity and continuing to support evil, I'll allow her a pass!

putting this in spoilers for Raph's sake

if she flips she has no chance of winning so I don't really begrudge her. She was setting herself up well to be the only palatable option in a final three with, like, Dan and Will or two other cretins she was aligned with but then Mike's challenge streak got in the way

[Raph]

Yeah I feel the same way who even are Hali and Sierra :joker: End of episode 11, what an amazing tribal council that was! Was so confused though as I thought Mike had used the immunity idol on Shirin but what a clever play that was - I am loving the way Mike plays this game.

End of episode 11:
1. Shirin
2. Mike
3. Rodney
4. Tyler
5. Sierra
6. Will
7. Dan
8. Carolyn

[Raph]

End of episode 12:

1. Mike
2. Rodney
3. Tyler
4. Sierra
5. Carolyn
6. Will
7. Dan

[JerseyWins]

I plan on starting to watch the OG Survivor seasons tonight.

I'm using alluc.ee to watch but the only season I can actually find episodes for (out of like the first 5) is season 1. Am I missing something or do they not have the early seasons?

[MB.]

I think a load of links were taken down or blocked recently, I've had a harder time finding episodes than usual in the past few months

[JerseyWins]

Daaamn

Well at least they have Borneo (hopefully all of it) so I can start with that.

[Raph]

Oh no! Hope that means I can find Africa (3) when I get to it! Team Ethan all the way!

[LukeB]

I plan on starting to watch the OG Survivor seasons tonight.

I'm using alluc.ee to watch but the only season I can actually find episodes for (out of like the first 5) is season 1. Am I missing something or do they not have the early seasons?

I watched some of 16 yesterday on Alluc. vodlocker

[JerseyWins]

Borneo is soooo weird to watch after watching a bunch of Survivor already but not in a bad way (although there's plenty of flaws to it IMO but it's been a fun season to watch). I just got done watching the first merge episode. It's been pretty entertaining up to this point and there's a lot of good characters. It's also nice to see how alliances originated but difficult to watch since I prefer the Pagong tribe a bit more and Colleen/Gervase/Jenna are three of my faves. (however I didn't like Gretchen / thought she was boring so I'm fine with that particular boot)

It's hard to see such little strategy (if any for some people) being used by anyone outside of Richard's alliance. Like is Sean seriously voting in alphabetical order? :joker:

It also kind of hurts the edit too because a lot of the time it's like "why is this person even going?" ... like Gretchen going didn't make any sense, I didn't expect her at all. And in the prior boot the reason for Joel being voted off was because he was chauvinistic but we didn't even get to see that - there was just a comment by Gervase and Joel got grouped in and suddenly everyone is saying how chauvinistic Joel is in their confessionals... :joker: Also, a lot of boots before that had very basic reasoning behind it. I'd like to see more after the immunity challenges but it seems like that's something they improved on over time. I guess it was a different game/show at the time so I can understand that this was just how people viewed the game but the producers should be showing more after immunity than just Person A saying they think they're going to vote for Person B which in some cases has been completely out of left field.

With that aside, the season is still entertaining though. Something I think they've been doing right in Borneo that they have kinda failed on during future seasons is that the competitions are pretty short and sweet and there's pretty solid character development aside from a few. There's a lot of "WTF" going on in this season which I'm not against either. :joker:

Oh and random thought but... I don't like Rudy at all (probably least favorite out of the people left and he's been one of my least favorites since the beginning) but I found him really funny this episode with his reactions to the group talking about sex stories and stuff and then needing his space while sleeping. I'll maaaybe start to appreciate him in like an ironic sense but maybe it was a one-off episode.

[JerseyWins]

Ok so nvm about Gretchen. This episode is building off of last episode and explaining why they went with voting her off so that's fine then. Lmao at Rudy just saying it was his idea.

[JerseyWins]

Greg was alright for a while but sucked towards the end. On the other hand, I'm suddenly finding Rudy to be hilarious for the past two episodes now.

Also, I thought that was a really good episode. The season is still holding on strong despite becoming predictable at this point (even if I didn't already know the winner I think).

[JerseyWins]

The cast & boot order has been very good this season.

Mid-season ranking before I go to sleep:

Colleen
Gervase
Jenna
Richard
Kelly
Susan
Sean
Rudy (as opposed to red earlier on & lately I like him, I could put him up a few spots)

Greg would've ended up last on this list, also in orange. He was kinda likable but got a bit annoying towards the end.

There's not too many all-time favorite people for me (maybe there will be by the second half because they kind of all have potential) but I like / enjoy watching a large amount of the cast and the people I didn't really care about are all gone.

Richard/Kelly/Susan are all pretty good but I change my mind on how much I like them a lot. Richard is entertaining enough in the winner edit role and a really likable guy. Susan is pretty funny but hasn't been too involved lately; I liked her more earlier on. Kelly seems different from Cambodia but likable once again (although in Cambodia she did barely have an edit so I kinda don't know how different she really was). Colleen & Gervase have been my top 2 basically all season long. I really like their attitudes. Jenna is pretty lulzy and very likable. She's like a sweet/messy combination. Sean bored me for a while but once he transformed into a full on goofy/clueless edit he's gotten a lot better lol. I thought Rudy was awful at first but I guess he's growing on me now as well.

[TomC]

Borneo is so awesome, between the fantastic cast and the rawness of it all being the first season, and also I just find it so fascinating how it develops from something so innocent to 'snakes & rats'.

My personal favourites were Sue, Sean and Jenna. I liked Kelly too, I found Richard to get increasingly annoying as the season went on.

If (when) I get round to doing re-watches, Borneo is top of the list :love:

[JerseyWins]

Well, nevermind about going to sleep... I was tired and planned on just stopping in the middle of the episode that I had started but before I knew it the episode got reeeally good and I couldn't stop. :joker: This season is reeeally picking up from pretty good to really great.

Colleen SHINED that episode :love: :love: :love: Susan got better/funnier again this episode too. Oh and more emphasis on Sean's alphabetical order voting strategy. :laugh3: Jenna going with Sean being the deciding vote. </3

[JerseyWins]

I actually completely forgot (or never knew) that Wiggles was in the final 2. The whole season I was trying to figure out who would be in the final 2 with Richard.

Damn she totally got Woo'd way before Woo did. :joker: It was predictable throughout but when Kelly won the final immunity challenge, even knowing that Richard makes it, I was surprised she would make that decision. I thought Rudy would win the final immunity & take him.

I'm not too satisfied with the final 5 / end game tbh. It was an amazing season right after the merge (and good before then) but it kinda fizzled out towards the end. I expected it to play out with that final 5, and it's still not a bad final 5 group, but it could've been a lot better with at least a portion of Colleen/Gervase/Jenna there. Rudy/Richard/Susan all got worse (mainly entertainment-wise) and Sean got entirely boring again but probably the most rootable out of the 4. I really liked Kelly even more at the end though.

[JerseyWins]

Rudy during the jury questioning. :joker: Idk he's just randomly hilarious to me at times.

Susan sucks during this jury questioning. She's probably rubbed me the wrong way more than Richard towards the end.

[JerseyWins]

Yeeees Gervase in this final vote confessional!!! :clap1: Preach :laugh3:

[JerseyWins]

Ok so now that the season has sunk in for a little bit... overall that was definitely an enjoyable season and honestly better than I was expecting.

Cast Ranking:

1. Colleen (for sure #1 and with a strong finish she's somewhere up there with my all time favorites)
2. Gervase (also a strong finish and even though I did somewhat like him already in his other season, he was way better here)
3. Jenna
4. Kelly
5. B.B.
6. Stacey
7. Sean
8. Richard (it's hard to put him lower since I liked him quite a bit for a good portion of that season but he did get a bit annoying & tedious towards the end)
9. Dirk
10. Susan (tough one to rank because the ones directly below I just found kinda irrelevant while with Sue I enjoyed her for a bit and slowly liked her less until she was just annoying during the final episode or two)
11. Greg (similar to Susan but also didn't have that much of an impact)
12. Gretchen
13. Sonja
14. Joel
15. Rudy (tough to rank as well since I didn't like him for like 10 episodes and liked him for maybe 3 sooo idk... #12-14 were just whatever to me so Rudy either goes here or right below Susan/Greg)
16. Ramona (mildly disliked until her final episode)

Idk it looks like a bad cast having so much orange now and not much green but I did really enjoy this cast regardless. :clap1: I just wasn't highly invested in too many people but there were a lot of quality castings even if I found a few annoying at times. I might've initially overrated the cast though because I was hyped up while just getting through the best stretch of the season. :joker:

[Jack_]

Greg, Richard, Coleen, Rudy :love:

I had the same experience with Rudy, I started out being all ':umm2:' at his opinions but then came to appreciate him given his age and the time of filming. He was unintentionally hilarious, I laughed for ages at that scene where he's going on about the girls practicing lesbianism or some **** :laugh2:

[JerseyWins]

Greg, Richard, Coleen, Rudy :love:

I had the same experience with Rudy, I started out being all ':umm2:' at his opinions but then came to appreciate him given his age and the time of filming. He was unintentionally hilarious, I laughed for ages at that scene where he's going on about the girls practicing lesbianism or some **** :laugh2:
Yeah that was hilarious :joker: I'd like him more if he was funny more often but it was only a few instances for me personally. Unintentionally hilarious is a good way to put it though. :joker:

Also his reaction to Greg talking to his sister as if they were incest.

And speaking of that... Greg got kinda weird towards the end between that, the way he exited, his jury 'question' and sniffing the marker before casting his winner vote (probably more weirdness as well). :joker: Greg was ok to me but he also annoyed me towards the end.

[TomC]

What season are you going to watch next?

[JerseyWins]

I want to watch Australia next but I can't find it anywhere. :(

[TomC]

I want to watch Australia next but I can't find it anywhere. :(

I'm not sure if this works but you can try it:

http://vidzi.tv/embed-clcx6rn49zi0-800x450.html

[JerseyWins]

It doesn't work for me but I was able to find this season on the site I always use (alluc.ee)... all I had to do was go back a few pages after searching for it. :joker:

I'm liking this cast a lot already. On early impressions I did also really like Borneo's cast but this one beats it already (2, now partially 3, episodes into it).

I did like the first two boots so I don't know what to think of that right now. Although not top favorites or anything so it is what it is.

[JerseyWins]

Just skimmed through the recap episode of Australia and plan to watch some more of this season soon.

I'm liking the season (probably not as much as Borneo but I prefer the cast & I still have 5 or so episodes left and I like what I saw in the preview for next episode :fc:).

It's another season where I completely prefer one side over the other though. I just realized I like the entire Kucha tribe to some extent.

Jeff/Elisabeth/Rodger/Alicia are/were my favorites and I actually even liked Kimmi now too. On the other hand, Ogakor sucks almost as a whole. I don't really like Keith most of the time, Amber is just kinda whatever, and I really don't like Colby and especially Jerri (and Mitchell sucked too fwiw). However, Tina is fine / pretty likable. Kel was the best one on this tribe lol.

[TomC]

Just skimmed through the recap episode of Australia and plan to watch some more of this season soon.

I'm liking the season (probably not as much as Borneo but I prefer the cast & I still have 5 or so episodes left and I like what I saw in the preview for next episode :fc:).

It's another season where I completely prefer one side over the other though. I just realized I like the entire Kucha tribe to some extent.

Jeff/Elisabeth/Rodger/Alicia are/were my favorites and I actually even liked Kimmi now too. On the other hand, Ogakor sucks almost as a whole. I don't really like Keith most of the time, Amber is just kinda whatever, and I really don't like Colby and especially Jerri (and Mitchell sucked too fwiw). However, Tina is fine / pretty likable. Kel was the best one on this tribe lol.

Yeah going into the merge I really preferred Kucha - in particular I loved Alicia, liked Nick and Elisabeth had been growing on me a lot, whereas Amber is dull and Keith and Colby aren't great.

I really don't remember much of the postmerge of AO - I think it was deffo uneventful but I took it for what it was because it was my second season.

There are a few TC shocks along the way, what episode aer you up to?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Jerri Manthey is a national treasure how dare you (then again, so is Sue Hawk, so maybe it is tough to recognize greatness......x)

Also, Alicia kinda sucks?

[JerseyWins]

Jerri suuuuux... she has a smugness to her that is very annoying. I can't find it funny or anything either, she's just not very amusing. And it's as if she likes to piss people off (I mean I guess she literally does and she has a high success rate at doing so based on both seasons I've seen of her :joker:).

Sue Hawk is fine and I can see the praise there but she just got kinda entitled and what not towards the end and it showed in a very weird/arrogant way during the finale. She's definitely not awful though, very funny/entertaining at times, more so early on.

[JerseyWins]

There are a few TC shocks along the way, what episode aer you up to?
I think episode 11 (which I'll probably be watching in a minute). Jerri just went :clap1: and hopefully Colby is next (or Keith/Amber would be fine). Elisabeth/Rodger & Nick :love:

I'm curious about which way Tina is going to go from here (I'm guessing on Keith/Colby/Amber's side). Again this is a season where I already know the winner but literally nothing else so I'm wondering who ends up in the F2 with her. I guess she could beat anyone right now so it could be anyone.

[JerseyWins]

Oh nvm Colby wins immunity. I figured Nick would be the next to go.

I definitely feel like this season is coming to a dull finish.

[TomC]

Jerri Manthey is a national treasure how dare you (then again, so is Sue Hawk, so maybe it is tough to recognize greatness......x)

Also, Alicia kinda sucks?

Alicia was actually my favourite in AO, but she just took her whole persona waaay too far in her return

[VanessaFeltz.]

There were 6 members of jury, but Junko Matsuo refused to vote for either Daisuke or Eri because she did not believe that either castaway was worthy of being the Sole Survivor.

Imagine you could do that in survivor us.. LMAOOO season 8 would have like 3 jury votes

[Macie Lightfoot]

Spontaneously starting a South Pacific rewatch NOW! I know the season gets a bad rap but it has Sophie and Albert and Edna and Christine and Stacey (all on one tribe!) and, depending on who else floats your boat, Dawn, Cochran, Ozzy, Coach, and even Brandon???? IDK, I definitely get the criticisms but I think the season shines in spite of them :3 plus the winner might be my fave non-Sandra one of them all?

[Macie Lightfoot]

"Like when Billie Jean said it was Mike's son."

Episode 1 was fun! I know I go on and on about Upolu being great but Savaii was actually more entertaining tonight, which makes sense since they went to TC and had more focus. Cochran is actually kinda endearing to start off, which I was half-expecting but it's still surprising to me, but we'll see how long it lasts. Dawn's Day 2 Breakdown was okay but the true highlight was her pulling on a vine with all of her weight and then collapsing to the ground when the vine broke :love: the real star though was SEMHAR. Her spoken word poetry :love: her one-episode feud with Jim (who is so awful already) :love: her argument for staying at Tribal Council being that she provides to the tribe by finding good sticks to use as toothbrushes :love: and alol, Ozzy trying to keep her literally only because she's hot :joker: Ozzy's confessional about how she's beautiful and smart was hilarious because it sounded like there was a fluffer off-screen giving him a blowjob and he was doing his best not to climax right there. I know Redemption Island is an objectively terrible twist, but thank **** it gives us three episodes of Semhar. She might be the first bootiest first boot of them all, but at least we 3x the exposure to her that we normally would. Could you even imagine if she was put on Upolu??? Like, I can't even imagine what her interactions with anyone would be like. Coach? Brandon? Stacey? Christine? Edna? SOPHIE?!?!?!

[JerseyWins]

I remember the very beginning being the only somewhat good part about South Pacific.

I agree with most of that but South Pacific is just not a good season at all (it can get a pass pre-merge since Upolu is messy enough to keep it relatively entertaining but it just gets more and more boring and R.I. is just such a bad twist). Also, the winner is one of my least favorite winners ever lol.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm already furiously typing my metal keyboard @ all of those LIES but I'll wait to address them when I finish this season since my thoughts will be even more fresh and my feelings more profound.

[reece(:]

Semharsus :clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Christine: What were they talking about?
Edna: ...........I don't know, I'm just packing my **** just in case O_O
Christine: But what were they saying?
Edna: ....I think that they were talking maybe... about Sophie to begin with? :shrug:
Christine: No, Sophie was over there too :gurl:
Edna: O_O oh...

[JerseyWins]

LOL @ Colby taking Tina to the F2. Once again I'm shocked at how the final 2 played out. :joker: I really thought Tina was going to win that final immunity and take Keith to the final.

Funny how the first two seasons started with bad decisions on who to take to the final 2.

[JerseyWins]

I feel like both of them are answering these questions pretty horribly :joker: and in their opening speeches it's like they wanted the other one to win (I think Colby literally said that lmao)... :conf:

EDIT: Wow Colby even passed on having any last words... :laugh3:

[JerseyWins]

Haha I'm pretty sure I saw young Katie in the crowd with Tina's family. That's kinda funny because I completely forgot about her. :joker:

Tina is waaaay more deserving than Colby so I'm glad he botched that entirely on the finale. :clap1:

Australia definitely turned out to be a very basic season though that was actually hard to get through after the merge. Borneo died out a bit towards the end too but not like this and Borneo had a much better peak than Australia. Australia is pretty solid pre-merge and the merge episode.

Final cast ranking:

1. Jeff
2. Elisabeth
3. Rodger
4. Alicia
5. Tina
6. Kimmi
7. Skupin (definitely got some creepy vibes though which makes the news on him not as surprising)
8. Kel
9. Nick
10. Debb
11. Amber
12. Maralyn
13. Keith
14. Mitchell
15. Colby
16. Jerri

[JerseyWins]

People I know from the All Stars cast so far:

(although in Rob's case I still haven't seen his first season... I almost want to go right to Rob's first season next but I'll stay patient and go with Africa)

Boston Rob
Jenna L
Alicia
Tina
Richard Hatch
Susan
Amber
Rudy
Rupert
Colby
Jerri

Ehhh not looking amazing but I don't mind it. There's still some people I like a lot and there's a lot of big time players/characters in there already with 7 more that I don't know yet.

[TomC]

That's funny because I think that the AS lineup looks way better than the HvV one in paper. You've still yet to meet some stars though...

Don't read this JW...
Kathy, Shii Ann, Rob C and Ethan <3

[JerseyWins]

Whoa... Diane has to be possibly THE least featured first boot I've ever seen. I don't think she had a confessional before her vote. Literally have no clue who she is but she seemed wacky at the end so I'm surprised she got no edit aside from being involved in the Clarence drama.

Also, it's a little bit weird that both Diane & Clarence were saying that the other is lying about how the beans incident went down but then they don't even show the moment it happened so it's not even clear to the audience who is lying. :joker: Messy first episode.

[JerseyWins]

That's funny because I think that the AS lineup looks way better than the HvV one in paper. You've still yet to meet some stars though...

Don't read this JW...
Kathy, Shii Ann, Rob C and Ethan <3
I've looked up the whole All Stars cast so I read this too. I don't mind knowing who's in the All Stars cast, just don't want to know any results.

I just got started on Ethan's season who I kinda like already.

[TomC]

I mean I found Diane quite memorable cos of her collapsing at the end of the challenge and the Clarence drama was a major part of the episode

The first boots from the next three seasons are even less noticeable IMO

[JerseyWins]

Ehhh yeah she was part of the drama but they hardly even had her take on it or anything. It was more like she was a spectator regardless I think. :laugh:

I guess she's still memorable but more as a moment than a character.

The first time I finally got any sense of her personality was during her voting confessional and then I still don't know what to think of her or the situation with Clarence lol.

[TomC]

True I guess.

I really liked Africa when I was watching it. The premerge is pretty great, and enjoy Lindsey, Kelly, Linda and Ethan they were my favourites

[Macie Lightfoot]

Funny how the first two seasons started with bad decisions on who to take to the final 2.

Kelly didn't really lose because of who she took to the end. She didn't have a chance against either one of them because she lost more and more of the jury's respect each week.

[JerseyWins]

True I guess.

I really liked Africa when I was watching it. The premerge is pretty great, and enjoy Lindsey, Kelly, Linda and Ethan they were my favourites
I liked Lindsey a lot the first episode. Kelly & Linda weren't included that much so idk about them yet and Ethan seems pretty good.

Also idk if my take on the first episode sounded negative or not but so far I enjoyed watching the chaos.. :joker: it was just kind of a strange first episode and not the best editing.

Kelly didn't really lose because of who she took to the end. She didn't have a chance against either one of them because she lost more and more of the jury's respect each week.
I doubt she would have lost to Rudy. I think the other side respected her game enough to give her the win.

It was close against Richard, who dominated the game, but I guess that might be partly due to Susan's jury speech.

[JerseyWins]

Omg these cow blood/milk shots are naaasty.

[TomC]

yeah that really turned my stomach.

[JerseyWins]

I thought Clarence would go this time. It's weird that Jessie went when she wasn't even a consideration to go in the edit which is kinda 2/2 now (both boots do make sense though - I guess they were kinda hinted at earlier in the episodes). But before tribal council it was between Kelly, Clarence & the old lady which I can't remember her name. I somewhat liked Jessie but I like Clarence more and he's providing a lot of the entertainment so far.

I like how the dynamics are a complete split in the Samburu tribe. I'll have to at least see another episode first but I don't think I like the older group as a whole aside from Mother Teresa. I think I prefer if Silas & Teresa go with the others instead.

Some strange editing aside, this is a pretty good start to the season.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I doubt she would have lost to Rudy. I think the other side respected her game enough to give her the win.

It was close against Richard, who dominated the game, but I guess that might be partly due to Susan's jury speech.

Pagong didn't even respect her game in the first place. Kelly flip-flopped in the most weak-willed way and it was transparent for everyone to see. Just look at Greg's confessional before the FTC or Colleen's voting confessional or anything else from the post-merge. Kelly wanted out of the alliance because it conflicted with her morals, but she realized how much she benefitted from it so instead of outright flipping to Pagong she just threw stray votes that didn't matter. It was hardly a protest and it just made her look terrible. People hated Richard's ego but they respected him; everyone just kinda rolled their eyes and muttered under their breath about Kelly.

and besides, nobody voted based on the game. There wasn't even a game, it was the first season. Pretty much every person's vote came down to who they liked more and people LOVED Rudy. Just remember the whole F3 scenario -- Rich threw the final IC and told Kelly that there was no way she couldn't take him to the end bc she'd be a moron to bring Rudy. and then she did exactly that. Everyone knew Rudy was a lock to win in the end.

[JerseyWins]

Everyone on Borneo loving Rudy is news to me.

Also, Kelly played both sides even though she stuck with her alliance which is worth something. People on the cast mentioned this and gave credit to it and it's what got Susan/Richard mad, that she was getting on Pagong's good side.

Although it's true she didn't really do this strategically, but morally, so that kinda takes credit away from her - still, she built bonds with the other side. I still don't imagine her losing to Rudy regardless when her vs. Richard was a 5-4 vote I think? Unless people (like Gervase) changed their vote to Kelly literally only because of that speech Susan gave for Richard to win.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think the tricky part about it is that you're trying to relate the votes to the games that were played, but we gotta remember that this was the very first season of any show of this kind and there was literally no gameplay or precedent or expectation. The jury wasn't sitting there thinking "wow Kelly sure played a good game by working both sides" or "hmm, it was impressive of Rich to start an alliance." It was all about the personal politics on the island and that's where Kelly failed. If it was her and Rudy in the F2, Sean's not voting for her to win, Sue's not voting for her to win, Rich isn't voting for her to win, Greg isn't voting for her to win... that's it right there. I don't even think all three of the remaining votes (Gervase, Colleen, and Jenna) would be entirely on lock either, especially when those votes were all begrudging to begin with and Colleen said in her voting confessional that she came into the FTC wanting to vote for Richard and Gervase spent half of his voting confessional bitching about Sue being a sore loser.

Kelly lost everyone's respect because of how back and forth she was about the alliance and her relationship with Pagong. I think one of the few things that Borneo actually could have done better was to focus on Kelly's vote for Sean after the J for Jenna boot. Pagong was trying to oust Rich and Tagi was taking out Jenna, and Kelly's so conflicted that she just throws a random vote for Sean out there when there was no way she could have thought that it would make a difference. She likes Pagong more and wants to side with them, but she also realizes how much she's benefiting from the Tagi alliance so her form of rebellion was utterly passive and ineffective. By this point, Tagi is completely fed up with Kelly's bull**** and Pagong is toast and knows that they are because Kelly is claiming to be so conflicted and torn but isn't doing anything to help their cause. Pagong's done trying with her since their days are numbered and Tagi is just riding Kelly out as a number and couldn't get rid of her because of her Challenge streak.

I just don't see how Kelly gains any votes by being in the final two against someone more likable than Richard. Colleen's voting confessional for Kelly to win is her drunkenly rambling about how this whole thing is awful and she should "just take it and do what she wants with it, I don't care" and "buy a raft and start an adventure tour company and do something good with it and maybe this will make you be....... nice or something." Gervase's confessional was just about Kelly taking the money and the victory and shoving it in Sue's face. Those are 67% of Kelly's votes to win and they aren't even pro-Kelly votes. It was just four people voting for Rich to win and two people voting for him to lose. Jenna idk, I would need to rewatch her voting confessional and analyze some.

[JerseyWins]

It makes sense since it's the first season and all but 1) when did anyone say they liked Rudy? I just watched the season and I don't remember people particularly liking him (there weren't too many opinions on him in general and I know he didn't really like many of the others and barely even liked to socialize with them). I guess they might've liked him more than Richard though. :shrug: 2) People did mention Kelly playing both sides in a positive light and the people involved DID start seeing how strategies were relevant to this game. Furthermore, she actually formed relationships with people from Pagong which Richard/Susan/Rudy didn't even seem to attempt and were playing it like a war. But Rudy is probably the least guilty of that out of the 3 so yes if people are voting strictly on how much they like the person then I guess Rudy is the tougher one to beat.

The thing is it's unclear how they really are voting as first-time voters so at the same time I guess I can't say she definitely made the wrong choice. That same bitterness/dislike could've been applied to Rudy because they just didn't like the Tagi alliance. I think Greg (especially) & Sean (who knows) voted for Richard because they respected him in the end but could have easily voted for Kelly over Rudy. Colleen/Gervase/Jenna just didn't like the Tagi crew and most likely still vote for Kelly. Sean might've just voted for Richard because he never got to him in his alphabetical order voting strategy.

All I know is Rudy would never beat Kelly in today's Survivor but this isn't today's Survivor so fair enough maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway:
Gervase spent half of his voting confessional bitching about Sue being a sore loser.

Colleen's voting confessional for Kelly to win is her drunkenly rambling about how this whole thing is awful and she should "just take it and do what she wants with it, I don't care" and "buy a raft and start an adventure tour company and do something good with it and maybe this will make you be....... nice or something." Gervase's confessional was just about Kelly taking the money and the victory and shoving it in Sue's face.
Legends :love:

[JerseyWins]

4 episodes into Africa and I like almost everyone on this cast. There's plenty of people that are still pretty irrelevant though so if/when they get more involved things might change. Brandon is the only one I kinda dislike so far (and Carl but he's already gone).

I'm definitely enjoying this season. Both tribes are really entertaining.

[JerseyWins]

On episode 7 now getting close to tribal council.

Kelly is emerging as my #1 favorite. Either her or Ethan but Ethan has been irrelevant lately. Kelly has been rising up my ranks and now she's killing it this episode! :joker: I was starting to think Brandon might be ok as I found him a bit funny last episode but he's awfully annoying this episode after Lindsey went.

I hope Clarence stays and I actually wish Lex would go... starting to not like him; at best he's just been average... actually kinda egotistical and in a boring manner.

[JerseyWins]

Clarence going :(

Fun watching that little journey he had though after starting so poorly. :joker:

[TomC]

Episode 8 is one of the standouts of the season, even if it's a bit unsavoury in terms of how things pan out. Sorry I'm being vague, don't wanna spoil it :joker:

I loved Kelly too <3

[JerseyWins]

Decided to get one more episode in. Definitely a great episode with a disappointing result.

This was just confirmation that Brandon sucks. Lex too but he's so insane over that one extra vote that now I find it sort of funny actually.

The mixed up tribe dynamics on this season is definitely pretty interesting. These last 3 boots are really hurting the season for me though. </3

Obviously next episode Brandon will either be picking a side or everyone will turn on him but I'm actually really not sure which will happen so that's good.

[TomC]

I remember hating Linda, Silas, Lindsey, Clarence and Kelly going in succession. I remember really hating the Final 8, because Tom, Lex and Frank were there, and the rest were meh, however #itgetsbetter

[TomC]

Side note: How the hell was Sandra a villain in HvV? Or is the cast reveal news article I read incorrect?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Frank is great check your damn facts Tom.

[TomC]

Frank is great check your damn facts Tom.

We've discussed this before :smug:

Answer this question:

Side note: How the hell was Sandra a villain in HvV? Or is the cast reveal news article I read incorrect?

[JerseyWins]

I could see her portrayed as a villain in Pearl Islands. Mainly the way she played but also being rude to people when she's angry. She was slightly villain-esque... although it's a little bit of a stretch but a couple of heroes and villains don't make the most sense.

[rk3388]

Didn't she do something like dump the fish and let Rupert take the blame? I watched it ages ago so can't say for sure but I seem to remember this happening

[Macie Lightfoot]

It makes sense since it's the first season and all but 1) when did anyone say they liked Rudy? I just watched the season and I don't remember people particularly liking him (there weren't too many opinions on him in general and I know he didn't really like many of the others and barely even liked to socialize with them). I guess they might've liked him more than Richard though. :shrug: 2) People did mention Kelly playing both sides in a positive light and the people involved DID start seeing how strategies were relevant to this game. Furthermore, she actually formed relationships with people from Pagong which Richard/Susan/Rudy didn't even seem to attempt and were playing it like a war. But Rudy is probably the least guilty of that out of the 3 so yes if people are voting strictly on how much they like the person then I guess Rudy is the tougher one to beat.

The thing is it's unclear how they really are voting as first-time voters so at the same time I guess I can't say she definitely made the wrong choice. That same bitterness/dislike could've been applied to Rudy because they just didn't like the Tagi alliance. I think Greg (especially) & Sean (who knows) voted for Richard because they respected him in the end but could have easily voted for Kelly over Rudy. Colleen/Gervase/Jenna just didn't like the Tagi crew and most likely still vote for Kelly. Sean might've just voted for Richard because he never got to him in his alphabetical order voting strategy.

All I know is Rudy would never beat Kelly in today's Survivor but this isn't today's Survivor so fair enough maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway:

Legends :love:

Rudy was a 70-something Navy SEAL with a distinguished history taking part in an experimental television show where strangers are stranded on an island together, have to create their own society, and then vote people out by one by one. There's no one who better fits the theme of survival than Rudy, whom everyone liked and respected anyway. It's common accepted knowledge that he would've smoked either Richard or Kelly in a final two. People hated that final two -- the whole theme of that final tribal council was "we don't particularly like or respect either of these people and we sure as **** don't want to reward them with a million dollars, we just want this whole thing to end." Like, 75% of the cast viewed the idea of an alliance and thought it was ruining the integrity of the game, and so did the majority of America. The jury hated Richard for being the pompous ringleader of the evil alliance and did not respect Kelly for having a wishy-washy moral dilemma over the alliance, lamenting over how much it affected her but ultimately being spineless enough to go along with it since it benefited her. That jury would've jumped at the opportunity to give just about anyone other than Rich or Kelly the money. I know Kelly made relationships with people, but she did absolutely nothing to help and protect her friends and go against the alliance she was morally against when she totally had the power to do so. Her closeness with Pagong just made her actions even more of a slap in the face, like "I thought you were my friend and I thought you were so conflicted about this alliance, but you're still voting with them every week or just throwing your vote away and we are all being voted out as a direct result of your actions, or lack thereof."

As for Greg and Sean, Sean's alphabetical order was a bunch of **** lol. Like Kelly, it was a spineless way to benefit from an alliance while appearing to be noncommittal. You cannot tell me that he did not even consider the effect of voting alphabetically, that the entire Pagong tribe came alphabetically before Tagi, and that the Tagi alliance would be able to just dogpile on his vote each and every week, and that he was passively assisting in the Pagong slaughter. Sean kinda suffered the Kelly thing where he had some major blindspots about how he was perceived and how his actions affected others, and he thought he would be perceived as noble and righteous but really just alienated everyone around him. Similar to Kelly but in complete denial of it. And then for Greg, let's just look at his confessional before the final TC:

It was interesting to watch Kelly because I felt like Kelly went through, like, identity crises on TV, but not really crises but, like, various identities on TV. "I'm a hippy but I'm not a hippy," "I'm a double agent but I'm not lying," "I'm here for the money but I'm not," ya know, it was interesting to watch the various identities unfold.

That really best sums up how the jury viewed Kelly and why she didn't win. Wishy-washy, noncommittal, passive, and frustratingly contradictory. Not a winning combination then, not a winning combination now.

All I know is Rudy would never beat Kelly in today's Survivor but this isn't today's Survivor so fair enough maybe I'm wrong.

To quote Sandra, "I don't know about thaaaaaaaat!" Likability and respect still trumps all. We just saw the jury give Adam a million dollars largely because they liked him more than Hannah and Ken. The jury cared more about moves Adam tried to make but failed to make more than moves that Hannah actually made because they had next to no respect for Hannah.

[JerseyWins]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I have no clue what the thoughts were when it was airing live and because you hit me with the "I don't know about thaaaat!" line which is one of my favorite confessionals ever.

I just can't imagine Rudy getting many votes for who he was and how little he did or even interacted (that was shown). I think you're exaggerating how much they hated Kelly.. sure they got tired of her but a decent amount of them still had a good relationship with her nonetheless. Maybe they soured on her more than there was shown because yeah the votes for her in the end weren't enthusiastic.

Anyway, in today's Survivor I guess I'd view both Rudy & Kelly as two perfect goats to take to the end but Kelly is actually capable of getting some credit on some seasons. If gameplay is factored in, Rudy would never win Survivor the way he played in Borneo unless maybe with a very bitter jury. He's exactly the person that's always dragged to the end and usually gets on some people's nerves along the way.

[JerseyWins]

Brandon & Frank going is a very good turn of events. Frank was just boring to me, I started to somewhat like him at times but I mostly just liked him & Teresa as a duo trying to get themselves back in the game.

Tom is kinda amusing to me even though I didn't like him much at first; pretty funny this past episode as well (which happened to be the first boring episode in a while though).

Didn't she do something like dump the fish and let Rupert take the blame? I watched it ages ago so can't say for sure but I seem to remember this happening
She let Christa take the blame for it. :joker:

[TomC]

Yeah tbh I think Episodes 10-12 of Africa is probably one of the most boring stretches of episodes of the first ten seasons :worry:

[JerseyWins]

Well I just finished episode 11 and I think it was even more boring than 10. I agree, this is possibly the most boring 2 episode stretch I've ever seen on the show. :/

[TomC]

Get ready for Marquesas, one of my favourites

[JerseyWins]

Africa got really boring at the very end but it was consistently really good from beginning until a little after the merge. Great winner too. :clap1: I started to get a little worried that Kim would win. :joker: (until I saw Kelly's vote, then I figured it'd be Ethan)

I'd probably rank the early seasons like this so far: Borneo > Africa > Australia

Africa cast:

1. Kelly
2. Ethan
3. Teresa
4. Clarence
5. Lindsey
6. Tom
7. Silas
8. Kim P
9. Lex
10. Frank
11. Jessie
12. Linda
13. Kim J
14. Diane
15. Carl
16. Brandon

The people in orange are fine just meh or very hot & cold when it comes to how much I liked them. "Meh" isn't exactly a good way to describe Linda though... but I thought she was funny once or twice and the rest of the time she was just very whatever to me.

Again, I thought this was a great cast despite all the orange because everyone from Kim Powers to even down to Linda on my ranking are pretty even and I liked them, just to a much lesser extent than the ones above.

[TomC]

Nice rankings :clap1: I'd probably have Brandon, Kim J and Linda higher tho

When are you starting Marquesas? start it now

[JerseyWins]

I went to my class right after watching the Africa finale :joker: (I actually have a lot of classes at night this semester which I'm regretting :bored:)

I might be starting Marquesas in a little while though and I'm pretty excited for it.

Oh but I just remembered... on the links I found for Africa, a lot of the episodes after the merge had the audio out of sync by like 1-3 seconds which wasn't a huuuge problem but still very annoying. Add that to the boring episodes at the end and it was actually a pain to get through the end of Africa. :joker:

:fc: that I don't run into that problem again in Marquesas.

[Macie Lightfoot]

http://i.imgur.com/WU5CM.gif
THANK YOU, BOOP!

[Macie Lightfoot]

"My name is Brandon Hantz, I'm Russell Hantz's nephew."

http://oi53.tinypic.com/294lwuf.jpg
.......BLAM!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Episode 4 and Ozzy is definitely starting to fall into his role as supreme douche bag, but it's in opposition to Jim so it just makes me love it all :love:

Jim: why don't we make Upolu think we're super weak when we're actually not????? :o :o :o
Ozzy: .......nah I don't think so
Ozzy (conf): JIM IS PLAYING THE STRATEGY POINT TOO MUCH.
(Jim and Cochran leave for the Duel)
Ozzy: YAY THEY'RE GONE!!! STRATEGY STRATEGY STRATEGY STRATEGY STRATEGY! Come onnnnnnnnn Jim, chill out bro :rolleyes:

[JerseyWins]

Just got through the first episode of Marquesas and damn I was liking Peter. :joker:

I'm preferring the Maraamu tribe as a whole so far.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The other main highlight of episode 4 was this beautiful scene...

Edna (conf): If what Brandon told me is true and I am indeed not part of the alliance, then I need to step up my social game *sagely nods*
(Edna attempts to socialize and is earnest in her attempts, however she comes off as SO fake and insincere and annoying)
Mikayla (conf): Edna asks so many questions oh my god, like you're never going to go hunting for buffalo so why are you asking Rick how you hunt?!?!?!?! And that laugh of hers, it will haunt me when I leave this island.
Stacey (conf): *viciously imitates Edna's laugh* SHUT UP!

:love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

"THEY'RE CHILDREN! 26, 22! THEY'RE OVER THERE LISTENING TO ALL OF BENJAMIN'S HALLOWEEN JOKES, UH, CHUCKIE DA CHEESE JOKES, *gesticulates face* THEY WANT IT!!! HE GOING ON FOR LOYALTY, GOT THEM ALL BEN WAS SO LOYALTY-- COME ON. EVERY DAY HE GOT A STORY, I WASN'T BUYING IT! :rolleyes: *fake chuckle* *raises eyebrow* NO!"

I need more Stacey Powell in my life.

[MB.]

Stacey at Redemption Island in general :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

"I'm a FUNERAL DIREC-TOR. MORTI-CIAN is what I am. Honey I'm a DI-VA."

words to live by :love:

[reece(:]

The additional footage of Xtine and Stacey on RI <3 "hell with gasoline drawers" :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

*Cochran is gathering firewood; Ozzy, as complacent as ever, is relaxing in the shelter as Elyse sits and giggles at his words*

"The cock train!!! The little Cochran that could!!! How do you spell Cochran? C-O-C-H???? :smug:"

idk, I just feel the need to catalog Ozzy being a douche to Cochran since it seems important. For a prolific three-peater and soon to be four-peater I'm really not sure how I feel about Ozzy? Like, of course casuals love him because he was a boring Challenge ***** in Cook Islands and that memory resonates more than him being a bit of a douche in Micronesia and a huge douche in South Pacific, which casuals seem to conveniently forget all about??? IDK, one of my main draws for this rewatch is to sort my feelings on Ozzy before Game Changers, and even Coach too since why not?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Ozzy: I AM NOW DONE PLAYING THE ALLIANCE WAY, I AM NOW WHAT'S CALLED A FREE AGENT :smug::smug::smug:
Whitney: uh idk why you're taking this so personally
Ozzy: :rolleyes: it's against me when you don't tell me something very crucial like that!
Dawn: Give me a break Ozzy, there's stuff that you're withholding and you know it!

Do you guys think casuals remember Fan Favorite Ozzy throwing a huge temper tantrum just because one of his allies was voted out?

[Macie Lightfoot]

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/survivor/images/3/32/EdnaVotesOutMikayla.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140424013951

:love: Mikayla was actually better than I remembered but I still don't care about her at all alol. Ednalousy is NOT a good look and neither is ****ing Russell Hantz post-show. Like, did she think she was enacting some revenge on Brandon? :conf: Yikes

Also, I think next week's the episode where Coach fully completes his transformation into Charles Manson when he gathers Upolu to stage a fake HII find, led through the power of prayer, all in some elaborate attempt to trick Brandon. Sooooooooooooo fascinatingly grimy.

[LemonJam]

I've been considering a SoPa rewatch for some time so I'm glad you're basically doing it for me :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh my god the staged HII discovery scene is soooooooooooo next-level in terms of shadiness and overall grime. Like, Coach making everyone holds hands and pray that God leads them to the HII that half of the tribe already knows about, Coach and Sophie conveniently finding the HII as soon as they find Tree Mail (did nobody question this???), and then Brandon celebrating and having a confessional about how "it's definitely helpful to have the big guy upstairs on your tribe" ......I feel like I need to take a shower. It's an impressive cult, sure, but I made the Manson Family comparison earlier and I still think it's fitting. Coach is Jim Jones and Edna, Brandon, and even Rick are all gleefully drinking his Kool-Aid.

[Macie Lightfoot]

omg and then Upolu wins the IC and Coach is screaming "ON YOUR KNEES!!! ON YOUR KNEES!!!" at everyone and leading them through prayer, all while Ozzy is throwing yet another temper tantrum that consists of him slamming tables and yelling and jump-kicking a wall... this season's so ****ing weird but it works?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Personality pic:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaxgHIVWcAAo-wX.jpg:large

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr4t97yif1qdz1avo1_250.gif

[Braden]

South Pacific is the next season I need to watch, and you're write-ups are making me somewhat excited.

I'm still yet to finish the finale of Redemption Island, which marks a 7-month hiatus from my First Watch journey.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I like South Pacific a good amount! It definitely has its flaws (Redemption Island, two overbearing male returnees in Ozzy and Coach, Cochran also eats up a lot of airtime*, a dreadful Pagonging in the middle), but I think it has a pretty strong pre-merge and a superb end game. Savaii doesn't really do much for me as a tribe since the main power grouping is the pretty popular people and their lackeys, and it does the whole high school social dynamic in a very boring way. Upolu, however, I think is a fascinating tribe. They're tribal politics are all centered around religion and I find them to be great case study on how religion can be used as a manipulation tool. It's pretty grimy and gross, but very intriguing.

*The biggest surprise on my rewatch is how much I'm actually enjoying Cochran? I totally get the criticism because he does have a high-vis edit and the show doesn't really do "lol nerd" very well as an archetype, but he actually is charming and charismatic enough on his own and he does deliver good confessionals. It's kind of the David phenomenon from Millennials vs. Gen X, where I like him, just not for the reasons that the show wants me to like him. Cochran's self-aware enough and he knows what angle he was cast for, and he seems more embarrassed by it than anything.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I, for one, am SHOCKED that Ozzy's acting at the Duel wasn't convincing. I thought his experience on Playboy TV's "Foursome" would've prepared him adequately.

[JerseyWins]

Why is Sophie great again?

[Macie Lightfoot]

"I was actually offended at Redemption Island. That the six of them thought that we would believe that. And I found the charade to be over-the-top. And somewhat pathetic." :love::love::love:

Why is Sophie great again?

She has zero tolerance for bull**** and she was placed onto a tribe that was fueled entirely by bull****, and she was entirely transparent in her disdain for it all :love: what's not to love about a twenty-two-year-old who takes complete control of her tribe with her ice cold affect and lets a con-artist returning player, a sleazy dating coach, a legitimate psychopath, and a weird rancher pull her chariot to victory?

[Macie Lightfoot]

rpao4kolqwY

[rk3388]

Whitney and Keith were both awful awful awful.

In the words of Kim Woodburn: "YOU ADULTURA. YOU ADULTURA"

[Macie Lightfoot]

To keep up with the cult references, Jim's last minute attempt to save himself involved him telling Albert and Sophie that they're the only two not drinking the Kool-Aid and not in the cult, Coach and Dawn repeatedly making comments about how this is "one tribe" and "a family," Coach literally referring to "The Family" in NTOS.

[JerseyWins]

She has zero tolerance for bull**** and she was placed onto a tribe that was fueled entirely by bull****, and she was entirely transparent in her disdain for it all :love: what's not to love about a twenty-two-year-old who takes complete control of her tribe with her ice cold affect and lets a con-artist returning player, a sleazy dating coach, a legitimate psychopath, and a weird rancher pull her chariot to victory?
You're mistaking her acting whiny and spoiled to her having zero tolerance for bull****.

She was able to take control of the game because she was totally part of the bull**** within that tribe too.

[MB.]

Sophierce :love:

[LemonJam]

"Albert, drop your stack and pick up my pieces" - Sophiesus Clarke

[JerseyWins]

3 episodes into Marquesas now. I'm really liking Boston Rob again. The guy loves building like a cult around him... :joker:

I like all of the Rob/Sean/Vecepia/Sarah group probably in that order. I also like Gina so the rest of the tribe that's left is great. They're easily the better tribe but they're getting a majority of the air time obviously so that could be why.

Hated to see Peter go first but the last two boots have made up for it. Both Patricia & Hunter were very meh.

[TomC]

let Kathy live

[JerseyWins]

Yeah I actually like Kathy, I just didn't comment on anyone from Rotu since they've been shown much less so far. But she's one of my favorites from Rotu (although there's a tribe swap now). This tribe swap episode has been amazing so far. :joker: Maraamu's reactions about the "workaholics" from Rotu. :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Daaamn I was really hoping for a John blindside (although it would've went to a 4-4 vote so I wasn't expecting it). Oh well, back to back really good episodes.

[Braden]

Watching the Redemption Island finale now:

Ugh, Natalie Tenerelli is pathetic.

[Braden]

Okay, so I have finally finished Redemption Island

The season speaks for itself. Definitely the worst one I've endured, nothing exciting went on that resonated with me and why I like Survivor.

Cast ranking:

Julie
Andrea
Kristina
Sarita
Ashley
Steve
Francesca
Mike
Ralph
Stephanie
Matt
Rob
Grant
Krista
Russell
Natalie
David
Phillip

Season ranking:

Micronesia
Heroes vs. Villains
Borneo
Pearl Islands
Amazon
Vanuatu
Panama
Kaoh Rong*
Africa
San Juan Del Sur
China
Cagayan
Marquesas
Gabon
Palau
Millennials vs. Gen-X
Nicaragua
Outback
Tocantins
All-Stars
Fiji
Guatemala
Worlds Apart
Blood vs. Water
Cambodia*
Cook Islands
Samoa
Thailand
Redemption Island

* denotes a season I haven't watched in its entirety.

Left to watch:

South Pacific
One World
Philippines
Caramoan

[JerseyWins]

7 episodes into Marquesas now. Very good season. I've enjoyed all of the first 4 seasons so far at least to some extent but I haven't seen an AMAZING season yet. This one might be it if it has a strong finish (however all of the first 3 had very weak finishes so idk if I'm expecting too much).

Also... Rob </3

[Braden]

Why is Dawn swinging from a tree branch and falling flat on her arse not a more talked about, iconic moment of SoPa?

[Braden]

I'm loving the fact that Edna is somehow using tree mail as a cap during her confessionals.

[Braden]

-Edna comes back after being in on the discussion with Coach's alliance-

Christine: What were they talking about?
Edna: Uh, idk
Christine: Well, what did they say?
Edna: I think they said Sophie to begin with :shrug:
Christine: No, Sophie was out there with them. You're messing up your story big time! You need to get your story straight!

:joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Watching the Redemption Island finale now:

Ugh, Natalie Tenerelli is pathetic.

soooooooo pathetic, like I get that you're young but come on. Ugh, that whole Ometepe tribe was just awful, the only remotely interesting part of the endgame was the blatantly false last minute doubt of ASHLEY UNDERWOOD being the person who could possibly stop Rob from winning :joker: I think I might rewatch RI after I finish SoPa bc idk I guess I'm in the mood to punish myself???

This one might be it if it has a strong finish (however all of the first 3 had very weak finishes so idk if I'm expecting too much).

ooooookay so Borneo is also in my rewatch queue because between the idea that Kelly took the wrong person to the F2/Kelly had a chance to win at all, and now the assertion that the endgame of Borneo was very weak... let's just say I have some misconceptions to clear up :)

I'm loving the fact that Edna is somehow using tree mail as a cap during her confessionals.

Fashionista Edna :love: something I completely forgot about until I started my rewatch.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Watching the South Pacific recap episode and no scene quite sums up Ozzy's immaturity and assholeishness like him forcing an uncomfortable Cochran to hold the chicken as he killed it, and then spend the next five minutes laughing in Cochran's face at how he was holding the chicken right in front of his crotch and how he had his eyes closed and his mouth opened. Like, not just laughing at Cochran, but laughing so hard that he could barely form a coherent sentence.

[JerseyWins]

Watching the South Pacific recap episode and no scene quite sums up Ozzy's immaturity and assholeishness like him forcing an uncomfortable Cochran to hold the chicken as he killed it, and then spend the next five minutes laughing in Cochran's face at how he was holding the chicken right in front of his crotch and how he had his eyes closed and his mouth opened. Like, not just laughing at Cochran, but laughing so hard that he could barely form a coherent sentence.
Is this making fun of him though? It's just laughing at the situation.

[JerseyWins]

ooooookay so Borneo is also in my rewatch queue because between the idea that Kelly took the wrong person to the F2/Kelly had a chance to win at all, and now the assertion that the endgame of Borneo was very weak... let's just say I have some misconceptions to clear up :)
In fairness, it does have the best endgame between seasons 1-3 but that's not saying much.

Also in fairness, the format of Survivor just causes a lot of boring and/or predictable finishes so it's hard to bash Borneo on a weak finish when it wasn't that weak compared to a lot of seasons.

It's rare that you see an actual eventful/entertaining endgame... Cagayan, SJDS, Pearl Islands, China, even MvGx & Kaoh Rong come to mind as seasons that didn't slow down at the end. They are pretty far up among my favorite seasons of Survivor mainly because that's a big advantage over many seasons that just kinda die out.

Borneo definitely slowed down though... one of the biggest moments during the last couple of boots was like, Kelly & Susan's argument which wasn't anything spectacular, and there wasn't much else aside from an entertaining confessional here and there.

[DouglasS]

I found Natalie the worst in all of Redemption Island, just because she was such a weak, feeble woman. She gives a bad name to femlale survivor players. Players like her are the reasons why Jeff Probst views women players as weak.

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah but she was on the Cambodia ballot so the joke's on us

[Macie Lightfoot]

In fairness, it does have the best endgame between seasons 1-3 but that's not saying much.

Also in fairness, the format of Survivor just causes a lot of boring and/or predictable finishes so it's hard to bash Borneo on a weak finish when it wasn't that weak compared to a lot of seasons.

It's rare that you see an actual eventful/entertaining endgame... Cagayan, SJDS, Pearl Islands, China, even MvGx & Kaoh Rong come to mind as seasons that didn't slow down at the end. They are pretty far up among my favorite seasons of Survivor mainly because that's a big advantage over many seasons that just kinda die out.

Borneo definitely slowed down though... one of the biggest moments during the last couple of boots was like, Kelly & Susan's argument which wasn't anything spectacular, and there wasn't much else aside from an entertaining confessional here and there.

This reeks of ~BIG MOVES~ which duh, you're not going to find those in the early seasons of Survivor. I could go on and on about the game serving as a vehicle for human drama and the Borneo finale being fantastic in that Tagi had to start cannibalizing and turning on themselves and every storyline got resolved in a narratively satisfying way, but if you're dismissing the Kelly/Sue dynamic as nothing spectacular then you're probably not gonna get it.

[JerseyWins]

On to the next disagreement... Natalie T was fantastic. Very sweet and she had a bunch of funny moments. Nothing wrong with being young & naive.

And to me Natalie/Ashley vs. Phillip was almost as good as Shane vs. Courtney/Danielle.

[Braden]

Papa Bear running in the woods to look for the idol :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Just started Cochran's boot episode and not even five minutes in and we've already got references to Helter Skelter, the Mansion Family, Sharon Tate, and poison Kool-Aid. Creepy ****.

[reece(:]

And to me Natalie/Ashley vs. Phillip was almost as good as Shane vs. Courtney/Danielle.

A shuddering comparison

[Macie Lightfoot]

"Cochran said 'I know a lot of you feel indebted to me' I don't feel indebted to you :rolleyes:... screw you! He made an awful move -- he should've stuck with his tribe!"

Sophie's utter disgust :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

"There's a reason they call him Prince Albert" might be the most unintentionally hilarious thing ever uttered on Survivor. And it came from Rick :joker:

[Braden]

I've just got to the bit during episode 4 where Stacey breaks the fourth wall after her conversation with Coach :joker:

[EspeonBB]

I found Natalie the worst in all of Redemption Island, just because she was such a weak, feeble woman. She gives a bad name to femlale survivor players. Players like her are the reasons why Jeff Probst views women players as weak.

She's lowkey want production want from female players though (see her and Mikayla being on the Cambodia ballot)

Hot and willing to roll over for the producers male faves like B Rob

[Braden]

Coach getting frustrated with Brandon for believing Stacey's lies :love:

[Braden]

Sophie (conf): "I thought I had a five-strong, plus Edna, alliance going on." :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

She's lowkey want production want from female players though (see her and Mikayla being on the Cambodia ballot)

Hot and willing to roll over for the producers male faves like B Rob

Exactly, it's a bizarre sexist paradox because even though people like Natalie probably are the reasons why Jeff thinks females are generally weak players, the cast list for any All-Stars/Fans vs. Favorites season is jam-packed with every male strategist imaginable no matter how competent or incompetent, but then the female side of the roster is fluffed with bikini fodder like Natalie and Mikayla as you mentioned, or Hali and Sierra in Game Changers, or Parvati who didn't have much to her name after Cook Islands and is now falsely labeled as some seductress who lured men into her evil, cunning trap and then crushed their souls, which I think is pretty offensive since this huuuuuugely understates Parvati's gaming capabilities.

[Braden]

Stacey's exit rivals Michaela's as one of the best, the fact Coach ordered everyone to stand up and hug her to just have Stacey squirm and pace away so disgusted :joker:

Poor Coach, the only man to have his goodbye rejected more than once at tribal :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

We're officially in the endgame stage of SoPa where Prince Albert is ridiculously impressed with himself and is seemingly calculating his path to victory, all while completely unaware that everyone sees through his transparent attempts at playing the game and hates his guts :love: Albert gave his reward to Cochran "because his birthday is coming up" and begged everyone to give him the next food reward (:joker:) and then it immediately cuts to a Cochran confessional about how Albert's just trying to get his jury vote.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Stacey's exit rivals Michaela's as one of the best, the fact Coach ordered everyone to stand up and hug her to just have Stacey squirm and pace away so disgusted :joker:

Poor Coach, the only man to have his goodbye rejected more than once at tribal :laugh:

Just wait until you see Stacey at Redemption Island hun......x

[reece(:]

These parts of Stacey's bio <3

Pet peeves
Gum-popping.

Survivor contestant you are most like
Vecepia Towery from Season 4. At Day 38, when Vecepia and Neleh were talking, she said to Neleh, "And Christ said while he was hanging on the cross, 'It is finished,' it is almost done."

[reece(:]

And THIS was robbed from being in the episode

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[Macie Lightfoot]

Jeff: This has been a bit of an eye-opening Tribal, hasn't it?
Sophie: ...........
Jeff: Nope?
Sophie: No O_O
Jeff: Really???
Sophie: ...........

[Macie Lightfoot]

EDNA'S LAST STAND :love: four minutes in and I'm fanning myself so hard, with Edna's makeshift Tree Mail visor if you will.

"You know what I feel like right now? I just feel like one guy, a nineteen-year-old high school dropout who's advertised that he's crazy, to dictate to me the direction of my own destiny here."

[Macie Lightfoot]

*Family visit; Sophie's dad is the first to come out*

"I want Reese's Peanut Butter Cups at the airport and fresh-made banana bread. And a hamburger!"

[Macie Lightfoot]

watching Brandon's dad (Russell's brother, for imagery's sake) berate his own son for wanting to play the game like a Christian, giving him a C grade on how his son has played the game so far literally only based on one conversation mind you, and then stating in a confessional that he has no clue how his son hasn't been voted out yet is chillingly creepy. I don't know what else there is to say about the entire Hantz family that hasn't been said already but their whole dynamic is just disturbing and repulsive and I'm *SO GLAD* that era of reality TV is behind us. Now if only the Calafiores can **** off for once and for all :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Edna using the Immunity Challenge to lecture Upolu for treating her like **** and stringing her along and reminding them that they're playing like it's a team sport but it's about to turn into an individual game :love: comparing Brandon's apology to beating your wife and buying her a diamond necklace :love: Sophie's confessional about how apologies may absolve all signs in church but people in Survivor are not as forgiving as Jesus Christ is and Edna certainly is not :love:

this definitely marks the moment when South Pacific's endgame just turns it up to level 10 since Upolu has to start cannibalizing each other and Coach continues to make terrible moves while being a gigantic hypocrite :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Albert: I personally never heard [that Coach is one hundred percent keeping Edna] but okay.
Edna: Coach is one hundred percent in, I'll eat a piece of his, uh, the only thing I could say is that I'LL EAT A PIECE OF HIS ****, THAT'S HOW MUCH OF A HUNDRED PERCENT I AM THAT HE'S IN WITH THIS.
*Albert and Sophie are stunned, Edna awkwardly giggles to herself*

[Macie Lightfoot]

"Brandon, I know you came out here to cleanse your family name. You're not doing a very good job at it, I'm sorry."

Edna really did give the best voting confessionals this season :love:

[JerseyWins]

Yikes tbh

[JerseyWins]

Yeeeees at them getting rid of John. Neleh & Paschal seeing the light. :clap1: What an immunity challenge to have at this exact point in the game. :joker:

Definitely one of the biggest moves/moments up to this point... if not in Survivor history.

[Braden]

I've just watched Stacey at Redemption Island :love:

I love how Mikayla told Albert to ignore her, yet Stacey just walked past them like they didn't exist.

[JerseyWins]

A little bit odd that they voted Zoe out but I'm allllll for it. I suddenly really liked Tammy that episode. :joker: And "The General" was alright too. Maybe it's because now they're in the underdog role (or just because John is gone) but I'm kinda even rooting for Tammy/Rob now. I mean with John and now Zoe out back to back, I actually like everyone left so I don't really care too much how it goes (but Tammy & Rob are definitely screwed anyway lol).

[JerseyWins]

Yeah, Tammy & Robert going back to back was pretty expected.

Quality final 5 anyway. I'd probably rank them: Sean > Vecepia > Kathy > Neleh > Paschal ... the middle 3 are pretty interchangeable though and I might say Kathy > Vecepia actually since V has been a bit invisible lately.

[Braden]

Just finished Keith's boot in South Pacific.

That was really good episode. I tend to like episodes that make it seem like rocks will be drawn, but the outcome was really quite satisfying. For someone who I thought I was going to dislike, Cochran has actually been quite fun to watch. I'm glad he switched on the Savaii tribe, since I really don't have a general preference between them and Upolu. However, knowing the outcome of the season makes me happy that it worked out the way it did.

Just starting episode 9 now, and the treatment of Cochran sucks. Not saying the Savaii members can't be annoyed by the decision, but their overreaction is quite bothersome. Bless Dawn though.

[Braden]

Dawn saying she'll endure as long as she can so Upolu + Cochran can eat doughnuts and muffins:

http://68.media.tumblr.com/d20fd2284c97a21173244aee7ae081e2/tumblr_moyf6xWdiC1ql5yr7o1_500.gif

& Brandon cheering when Jim immediately drops his ball :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Just finished Keith's boot in South Pacific.

That was really good episode. I tend to like episodes that make it seem like rocks will be drawn, but the outcome was really quite satisfying. For someone who I thought I was going to dislike, Cochran has actually been quite fun to watch. I'm glad he switched on the Savaii tribe, since I really don't have a general preference between them and Upolu. However, knowing the outcome of the season makes me happy that it worked out the way it did.

Just starting episode 9 now, and the treatment of Cochran sucks. Not saying the Savaii members can't be annoyed by the decision, but their overreaction is quite bothersome. Bless Dawn though.

mhmm, I couldn't stand Cochran when the season aired but he's been the most pleasant surprise for me with my rewatch. I still think he gets a bit too much screentime and the show's whole "lol look at this dorky nerd go out there and survive" forced bildungsroman is so played out by now, but Cochran has enough charm and wit and charisma on his own that I really don't care. He's funny and observant enough and gives great confessionals and I'd much rather have Savaii narrated from his perspective than say Jim's. I guess what it comes down to is that I like Cochran, just not for any of the reasons that the show obviously wants me to.

and yeah, for as dumb of a move as it was for Cochran to flip, Savaii treated him like garbage and literally gave him nooooo reason to stay loyal to them. Like, he was the alternate boot target every TC and people made no effort to hide that from him and they literally just spent a good half of the prior episode lecturing him on how disappointed they were that he BOMBED the challenge for them (which amounted to like... him getting tangled up in the ropes momentarily) and how if he has any dignity then he will take the namesake of Redemption Island literally and gladly volunteer to be voted out and have a chance to REDEEM himself. Don't be surprised when someone flips after you beat it into their minds that they're the lowest on the totem pole, right? I think the show laid on the "Savaii is BULLYING Cochran :( :( :(" narrative a little too thick, but Ozzy's arrogance reached new levels in SoPa and he treated Cochran like garbage and made fun of him to his face on a regular basis, Keith and Jim didn't really tolerate any of his antics at all and made no efforts to hide it... I don't know, like you said, it's absurd how indignant Savaii was when they could have easily prevented this from happening by being nice people lmfao. Oh well, it led to a fantastic endgame where The Family (TM) was forced to turn on one another so it was all worth it, thx Cochran!

[JerseyWins]

Lol I know Ozzy clearly viewed himself as superior to Cochran but like... everyone on the tribe did... and he actually treated Cochran pretty well. You have a good argument for Keith & Whitney & Jim etc. but Ozzy was fine. Yeah, he was pretty arrogant but he wasn't very mean-spirited or derogatory and certainly didn't "bully" Cochran. :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Done with Marquesas. I'd say the end-game still wasn't spectacular but it was the best of the first 4 seasons (oh and finally, drawing rocks was introduced :clap1:). Out of the first 4, Marquesas is either #1 or #2.

Cast Ranking:

1. Boston Rob
2. Sean
3. Vecepia
4. Kathy
5. Gabriel
6. Sarah
7. Gina
8. Tammy
9. General Rob
10. Peter
11. Neleh
12. Paschal
13. Hunter
14. Patricia
15. Zoe
16. John

I liked most of this cast but didn't love too many, which has been somewhat common for me in these early seasons but in this one it's even more so than others.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Lol I know Ozzy clearly viewed himself as superior to Cochran but like... everyone on the tribe did... and he actually treated Cochran pretty well. You have a good argument for Keith & Whitney & Jim etc. but Ozzy was fine. Yeah, he was pretty arrogant but he wasn't very mean-spirited or derogatory and certainly didn't "bully" Cochran. :joker:

I know Ozzy is your cup of tea bc high vis male but Ozzy's entire time on Savaii beach was him lounging around in the shelter while not doing any manual labor besides the occasional spearfishing, and then mocking Cochran's efforts to contribute to camp life both directly to his face and behind his back. Like, okay, he didn't get up in Cochran's face and call him a piece of **** like Jim and Whitney pretty much did after Keith's boot, but let's not pretend like Ozzy treated Cochran like a human being.

Also, the whole second paragraph of my post was about how the show's narrative of "Savaii bullied Poor Cochran" was laid on too thick, so you kind of missed the entire point of my post.

15. Zoe
16. John

welp.

[JerseyWins]

Also, the whole second paragraph of my post was about how the show's narrative of "Savaii bullied Poor Cochran" was laid on too thick, so you kind of missed the entire point of my post.
I'm referring to you singling Ozzy out as a bully (in at least 2 posts) when... wtf?

There's a difference between teasing someone and bullying them or even "making fun of them"... He borderline made fun of Cochran in a joking manner and I don't see how you can even say he was mean about it, let alone classify him as a bully (I don't think anyone crossed the line but why would you single out Ozzy over some others?). It was pretty light-hearted, inoffensive stuff from Ozzy but because he's a confident/arrogant straight white male then sound the alarms. :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Reasons for me to focus on Ozzy:

A) I'm admittedly paying more attention to him in this rewatch bc Game Changers
B) He and Cochran are the two most visible people on their tribe
C) Whitney didn't exist, Keith only existed to give a confessional every other episode about his alliance with Ozzy and Jim, and Jim's main function was to drone on and give list-of-names confessionals in an attempt to fool the audience into thinking he was a legitimately good strategist and player
D) He received more negativity to his edit than anyone else on Savaii did
E) He was the figurehead of his tribe and more or less held an iron grip on them in the early days
F) Again, he received a loooot of negativity to his edit, meaning that the show didn't try to hide the fact that he was more of an entitled douche than he was in his previous seasons
G) You generally have a tendency to downplay how much of a jerk some of your favorite players when it's clear as day that they are indeed jerks (downplaying Rocky being an asshole to Anthony bc of "the entertainment factor" or whatever, having any positive thoughts on Alicia Rosa, etc.)

I don't even particularly dislike Ozzy! For someone who is such a prominent person in Survivor lore, I really have no opinion of him either way. He does nothing for me when he's a boring Challenge beast like he was in Cook Islands, he doesn't do much for me when he's a horny dumbass in Micronesia, and he doesn't do much for me when he's an arrogant overdog in South Pacific. But let's call a spade a spade, ya know?

[Macie Lightfoot]

"His constant fear of looking like he's betrayed the tribe has made me feel betrayed by him" I love Edna's take on Coach in her final words.

k time for the penultimate ep!

[JerseyWins]

A) I'm admittedly paying more attention to him in this rewatch bc Game Changers
B) He and Cochran are the two most visible people on their tribe
Fair enough @ this... the rest is just bs. Jim/Whitney/Keith were waaay more entitled people and fit the term "douche" perfectly. And they had like no personality that was shown (aside from Jim who had nothing but his douchey game-bot role down). There's no reason to focus on Ozzy over others in the cast and call him out for being a "bully" aside from reasons A & B. But it still doesn't make sense to say that in the first place.

Ozzy is an interesting character in Survivor history because he went from kinda anti-social, mega-underdog to basically a dumbass that you described to a confident leader of a tribe that got taken down as a result of someone he/they underestimated. That's why he's a "prominent person in Survivor lore." He has a quality story each time whether that's with the help of production or not but it's entertaining to watch (although I didn't care for him too much in Micronesia). He's relatively funny intentionally & unintentionally. Intentionally because even though he's pretty monotone he has some charm and wit to him, and unintentionally because he's made a fool of himself plenty of times in the game. I tend to like plenty of comp beasts personally tbh, like many do, but I know you couldn't care less about that. It's just extra fun to watch a player you like that's a comp beast when a decent percentage of the episodes go towards competitions and it's a big part of the game.

G) You generally have a tendency to downplay how much of a jerk some of your favorite players when it's clear as day that they are indeed jerks (downplaying Rocky being an asshole to Anthony bc of "the entertainment factor" or whatever, having any positive thoughts on Alicia Rosa, etc.)
No, I know those two and certain players that I like are "jerks" but I really like the villains very often in TV shows. I "downplay" their actions because I just think it then gets exaggerated by people who don't like them. I also really don't like when someone's made out to be evil when even though they might be mean or whatever, it's really not that bad.

If you were to say Rocky & Alicia are bullies and you don't like them then that's perfectly fine. I find them entertaining but I understand that. (Rocky & Alicia are hilarious though. :love:)

The thing is, in Ozzy's case he's really not even a jerk at all though - in all 3 seasons he was in. Full of himself, sure you could definitely say that, but he wasn't mean to Cochran at all. He just joked around with him and for someone so "entitled" he didn't even have much of a reaction to Cochran turning on their tribe.

[JerseyWins]

3 episodes into Thailand. Episode 3 was definitely the episode of the season so far... the stuff between Ted & Ghandia lulz. Ghandia seems way too over dramatic though and Ted actually seemed really sincere and apologetic so idk what she was still on about but it created some excellent drama in the tribe so good job I guess. :joker:

Brian almost seems like the definite winner right now so I'll be pretty surprised if it's someone else.

The boot order has been.. fine.. to start out. John was like mildly annoying / I didn't care about him and Tanya/Jed seemed nice and I may have liked them (and Tanya was reeeally cute fwiw) but I'm not too bothered by them going.

Also, I'd be stunned if this is a popular opinion but Robb is great. :joker: Maybe #1 fav but I really liked Brian & Shii Ann that episode too which I didn't really know what to think of them before then.

[JerseyWins]

Last episode of the night (mainly watched because episode 3 was so good)... Episode 4 went back to being boring. Ghandia was pretty funny though but there's another boot that I don't mind going.

Edit: Not sure who my favorites even are this season.... I liked Brian & Shii Ann for one episode but they were both completely irrelevant in episode 4 and I'm not sure how much I really like them. There's a bunch of people that are just alright, not even good, and Robb is the only one I've consistently liked. Maybe Stephanie idk.

[Macie Lightfoot]

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"WILL YOU LET ME ****ING FINISH DAMNIT?!?!?!"

I loooove this penultimate episode because it's basically 45 minutes of everyone ****ting on Albert nonstop, and it does a great job at setting him up for a humiliating defeat in the finale :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh my god and then the scene of Brandon informing Coach that he's going to vote for Sophie bc he believes God wants him to, only for Coach to get on his knees and pray for God to give him a name of who to vote off (which, of course, ends up being Brandon's name) is soooooooooo grimy and dark and captivatingly disturbing. The music score for that scene is phenomenal too, it's perfect to force feed the narrative of Coach being a hypocrite and explain why he loses.

[Braden]

John Cochran, in the words of Lisa Rinna:

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The fact he said he regretted his game move of flipping to Upolu makes me like him less, and suggests that he did so purely to provide a memorable moment within the Survivor canon.

I would have so much more respect for him if he didn't grovel to the Savaii tribe. Seriously,

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[JerseyWins]

Episode 5 was ok I guess. Lmao @ Jan with the money before the auction reward comp. :laugh3:

Robb & Shii Ann were great. They might be my top 2 despite having a rivalry with each other. It's funny because they haven't really had much of an altercation but they're constantly complaining about the other one in confessionals. :joker:

Stephanie going is slightly disappointing but whatever.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Fair enough @ this... the rest is just bs. Jim/Whitney/Keith were waaay more entitled people and fit the term "douche" perfectly. And they had like no personality that was shown (aside from Jim who had nothing but his douchey game-bot role down). There's no reason to focus on Ozzy over others in the cast and call him out for being a "bully" aside from reasons A & B. But it still doesn't make sense to say that in the first place.

For the third time, the show's narrative of Savaii bullying Cochran was laid on too thick. I never said that any of them where bullies, nor do I believe that they were. I'm simply talking about the edit and how Cochran and others were presented to us.

I'm also not disagreeing with the fact that Ozzy reacted better to Keith's blindside than Jim and Whitney did. Of course he did, Jim yelled in Cochran's face and called him a piece of **** and Whitney had her infamous "YEW DIS-GUST ME" line. That's not up for date. However, I think it's incorrect to draw conclusions that Keith and Whitney and Jim are all a lot more entitled than Ozzy is because of a five minute scene after Cochran flipped. Like... that tribe literally gave Cochran no reason to stay with them. The spent a whole night after the last tribal IC sitting around the fire, egging Cochran on and encouraging him to sacrifice for himself and go to Redemption Island, as if they were doing him a favor by giving him a chance to redeem himself. Not to mention that after Cochran was voted out Ozzy spent the whole night at RI campaigning for his jury vote despite the fact that the Duel hadn't even happened yet.

You can dismiss the rest of my points but throughout the pre-merge Ozzy DID have the most negativity to his edit compared to anyone on his tribe. The Stacey and Elyse boots were back-to-back episodes of him lounging in the shelter not lifting a finger while everyone else talked **** about him and plotted against him. The Mikayla boot started off with Ozzy throwing a temper tantrum bc he was blindsided. Compare his pre-merge edit to Whitney, who did not exist at all, Keith, who only existed to have one confessional every other episode about his alliance with Jim and Ozzy, and Jim, who acted as the BIG MOVES person with boring confessionals as the faux mastermind... there really wasn't much unattractive behavior or entitlement to focus on because it was all coming from Ozzy.

I guess what it all boils down to is that sure, you can believe all you want that Ozzy's relationship with Cochran was full of light-hearted jokes and jovial banter and whatever else, but Cochran still flipped as soon as the merge started and clearly felt like his chances were better with six people who he had never spoken to before than five people who regularly beat it into his head for the entire pre-merge that he was the lowest on the totem pole. Regardless of whatever we perceive, Cochran still flipped as a result of his entire tribe treating him like a second-class citizen. And not to beat a dead horse any further but I do think it's appropriate, whether or not you think Rudy was a goat and Kelly took the wrong person to the end, Richard Hatch, one of the most respected players of all time, made his move during the final IC because he knew he wasn't going to beat Rudy but he couldn't be the one to vote him out himself, and Kelly voting out Rudy only doubles down on the fact that both she and Richard separately agreed that they would lose if they took Rudy to the end.

Like Erik Cardona said, perception is not reality, reality is reality.

[JerseyWins]

*sigh* It's so common to categorize a confident male as entitled. It's basically a stereotype.

Like by comparison... aside from her other annoyances to begin with, Sophie fits "entitled" perfectly but you actually laugh at and praise her entitled behavior.

It was entitled to say that Cochran had to redeem himself as if they were doing him a favor BUT the weakest link on a tribe usually gets voted out with no reasoning to the person or no second chance at all. They were playing the game too and knew he could be returning but obviously they did a terrible job of making Cochran feel like he was a part of the group throughout the pre-merge. And somehow they felt like Cochran would take that redemption plan the right way (some entitlement here). Aside from expecting his loyalty, there's not even anything entitled about that specifically... Some people are in the core alliance in Survivor and some people are not, they were just terrible players and didn't realize that could come back to haunt them - I guess you could say they felt entitled to Cochran's loyalty which Jim & Whitney clearly did while Ozzy accepted it. Jim and Whitney were then the ones who took Cochran's betrayal the wrong way and acted like entitled assholes. That 5 minute scene explains the entire dynamic because once you feel like belittling someone for a decision that YOU caused them to make, that's when you become entitled in this situation. Ozzy did not do that and I think he treated Cochran fine both before and after the fact.

And how you could think Ozzy wasn't friendly with Cochran (aside from maybe teasing him a bit) is beyond me but it is what it is I guess.

Anyway, I don't remember how much Ozzy played a role in "Cochran's redemption" in the first place but obviously it couldn't have been that big of a role when he wanted to go to RI himself.

[JerseyWins]

Also, you would think that Ozzy being the one to risk going to Redemption Island would be upset over Cochran's betrayal... but he was actually the one on that side that wasn't even mad about the situation.

[Braden]

I find it so hard to find a favourite with South Pacific.

I genuinely think Coach is the person I like to watch the most, but would favour Edna and Sophie if they were shown much more. Now that Upolu has to turn on one another, it seems that the best of their personalities are coming through.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Again, you're picking the one moment where Ozzy was outshined by Jim and Whitney and focusing on that. Ozzy still immediately pulled Cochran aside when they got back to camp to get an explanation and let him know how disappointed and upset he is with him. He did it more civilly and tactfully than Jim and Whitney did obviously, but the tone of their talk was still "how dare you go against me when I've done so much for you this whole game" when like... the Savaii tribe as a whole beat it over Cochran's head every time they had to go to Tribal Council that it very easily could have been him going home.

And let's not forget about Ozzy throwing a temper tantrum after Elyse's boot and declaring himself a free agent and that one confessional he had where he caught a fish and threw it back into the water, pouting about how if his tribe wants to get far THEY NEED HIM. And the time when Ozzy and Cochran spent a night on RI together and Ozzy used it as a campaigning opportunity for Cochran's jury vote because he already assumed he was going to beat him in the Duel (a Duel which was much closer than Ozzy expected it to be.) Like Ozzy all you want, but let's call a spade a spade.


And also like...

basically a dumbass that you described to a confident leader of a tribe that got taken down as a result of someone he/they underestimated.

Ozzy underestimated Cochran (and Sophie too) because he's an oblivious dick, which is pretty much the point I've been arguing this whole time?

[Macie Lightfoot]

"Hey Albert, drop your stack and come pick up my pieces."
"I'm-- I'm in a pretty decent spot right now"
"Drop your DAMN stack and pick up my pieces, I'm gonna beat you."
"......"
"ALBERT JUST DROP YOUR STACK!!!"

[Macie Lightfoot]

Jim: Albert, why should Coach and Sohpie not win the million dollars? And if you start with a compliment like "Coach is a nice guy but" that would lose my vote.
Albert: Alright, I love this question and I love the way you're approaching the game :)
*Ozzy cackles maniacally*
Albert: NO, but very honestly!!!

It has begun :love: