First Watch/Re-Watch Survivor Thread

[TomC]

Possibly Worlds Apart too so that I get a final verdict on how great (or not) Rodney was in that.

Spoiler: He was not great.

[JerseyWins]

Spoiler: He was not great.
He really was though. I just said "(or not)" in that post to add some suspense.

[reece(:]

Rodney was a thug

[JerseyWins]

He was a momma's boy thug tho :hee:

[TomC]

He is the worst of S30. He's worse than Dan cos Dan was adopted.

[TomC]

Just finished my first watch and kinda wanna re-watch Borneo welp

[TomC]

I'm watching Episode 1 of masterpiece Borneo.

Rich's corporate clash with Redneck Sue :love: It's this kinda stuff that was so severely missing from some modern seasons.

[TomC]

Treemail <3

Sonja is so cute with her ukelele.

[TomC]

Ahh the tasks in Borneo are amazing. So creative and varied. Like creating a distress signal is such a far cry from anything you get in modern Survivor.

[TomC]

I'm really not that big a fan of Colleen... There's quite an arrogant air about her? And "when Greg and I go off into the woods it's all about sex...it's a really passionate affair" made me cringe.

It's interesting how you notice the little subtle things on a re-watch. I'm seeing the Pagong tribe dynamics so much more clearly this time. Like, Greg, Jenna, Colleen, and to an extent Joel are clearly really tight, and then Gervase and Gretchen are kinda outcasts? I bet the younger ones don't like Gretchen very much lol. Also, I didn't remember Jenna being such a central Pagong character. I think she alone has more than half of the Pagong confessionals, so it makes sense she was broguht back for AS.

Lmao at Richard tormenting the snake.

My favourites are largely the same... still love Sue, Sean and Jenna. I appreciate Kelly more this time. Also RIchard's not bothering me at all this time. Such an iconic character!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Just in case anyone still thinks Jeff Varner isn't a complete piece of **** (the number of people on this forum feeling worse for HIM is still kinda harrowing to me tbh)

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[TomC]

I find the videos used in Borneo and other early seasons instead of an actual loved one's visit so much more poignant.

The Jenna thing was horrible, and part of me feels there would have been a way for Jeff to tell her that was less hard. But I guess revealing it at the start would have put a dampener on everyone else.

It's crazy seeing how pioneering Richard, Kelly and Sue were. Richard is a master of understanding people and the wider game, Kelly is just so cutthroat ("if you wanted to make bosom buddies, you should have gone to summer camp"), and Sue is just so cold in her pushing away any ideas of other alliances.

Richard fancying Greg is a scream

[TomC]

Also I ****ing love Sean Kenniff. A top 10 Survivor male for me.

[TomC]

I don't understand why the hell Kelly voted for Sean? Like what was the point in throwing away a vote and jeopardising your alliance's trust for you when you're not actually making a move?

[TomC]

Borneo really confuses me in the sense that Sue and Rich keep saying that Kelly has been plotting with the other side. But they're not mentioning the plainly obvious fact that Kelly didn't vote with them twice? I just don't understand it. The editing is a bit odd sometimes, like we don't know where the Kelly/Sue argument came from.

[TomC]

I hate saying it but Wiglesworth's Borneo game is just awful. Like flipping her vote to Sue is just awful. Well, I mean she should have either voted fo Sue in the first place or forced a tie in an effort to get Rich out.

[TomC]

Ugh Borneo is a true emotional rollercoaster. There's honestly something so rivetting watching the evolution of the game over the course of the season, and how dark it comes. Also, it is probably THE best season for character development. Kelly and Sue's storylines are just spellbinding, and Richard, Sean, Jenna, Colleen, Gervase and plenty of others are crazily watchable.

I literally cried at FTC. Although Borneo does have a few problems (par for course, being the first season and all), there's just something so familiar and comforting about it.

[TomC]

Also my faves of the season have got to be Sean, Kelly (appreciated her WAY more this time), Sue, Jenna (although she turns into a mssive bitch in AS).

[TomC]

I look forward to slowly rewatching AO now!

[TomC]

I also totally forgot how unstraightfoward the Borneo postmerge is? I had it down as a plain 'Pagonging' (I mean it is the namesake and all), but the fracture of the Tagi Four, and the numerous attempts at forming a counter alliance truly keep you percht on the edge of your seat!

[TomC]

I'm embarrassed this is the first I have to say of AO, but Jeff gagging to make Tina fail at the eating challenge was a howl.

Jerri really was such a btich in the beef jerky debacle :laugh:

[TomC]

Skupin is extremely sinister in AO. Him so desperate to kill a pick just...makes my skin crawl.

[TomC]

Skupin is so filthy/disgusting. Smearing that pig blood on his face :umm2: BURN IN HELL

AO premerge is really good though.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Borneo really confuses me in the sense that Sue and Rich keep saying that Kelly has been plotting with the other side. But they're not mentioning the plainly obvious fact that Kelly didn't vote with them twice? I just don't understand it. The editing is a bit odd sometimes, like we don't know where the Kelly/Sue argument came from.

I think what it all comes down to is that Kelly (and Sean) are both huge cowards. Like, Kelly especially resents the alliance by the J for Jenna boot and is hoping for a power shift so her actual friends can stay around, but the problem is that Kelly doesn't want to be at the forefront of it herself because she knows where her bread is buttered and she knows she benefits from the alliance. That's why we get her passively throwing her votes out and wasting them, because it's the biggest form of resistance she can throw out there. The problem is, everyone knows that it's Kelly's weak-willed attempt to break away from the alliance while not actually committing to her Pagong friends and helping them out in any capacity, so she just ends up frustrating both sides.

[TomC]

I think what it all comes down to is that Kelly (and Sean) are both huge cowards. Like, Kelly especially resents the alliance by the J for Jenna boot and is hoping for a power shift so her actual friends can stay around, but the problem is that Kelly doesn't want to be at the forefront of it herself because she knows where her bread is buttered and she knows she benefits from the alliance. That's why we get her passively throwing her votes out and wasting them, because it's the biggest form of resistance she can throw out there. The problem is, everyone knows that it's Kelly's weak-willed attempt to break away from the alliance while not actually committing to her Pagong friends and helping them out in any capacity, so she just ends up frustrating both sides.

A perfect summary!

Another question I have that I know Macie will have the answer for is... did Pagong ACTUALLY like Kelly? Colleen was pretty scathing of her in FTC on a personal level and suggested the others felt the same way, and I got the sense Greg wasn't a huge fan while he was around.

[TomC]

It's probably something to do with her only exposing herself as true scum in AS, but I can't believe I used to like Alicia in AO.

She was simply not nice in the argument with Kimmi. The whole time she's been so overly serious and condescending.

[TomC]

Varner is FIT in AO.

[TomC]

I'm lowkey thirsting for Keith too :skull:

[TomC]

Colby chucking the water bucket at Jerri is nasty, nasty, nasty.

[Ashley.]

Started this series about a year ago and I've just started Season 6... Really enjoying it so far.

Borneo > Africa > Australia > Marquesas > Thailand

[JerseyWins]

S6 was the best of the early ones from 1-6 :love:

[reece(:]

Still a queen

-GZbqSp_r4s

[Eddie.]

Survivor Tocantins, Episode 1, Carolina eliminated
Jalapao Tribe:
1. Sandy
2. Taj
3. Spencer
4. James
5. Joe
6. Stephen
7. Carolina
8. Sydney (no airtime)
Timbira Tribe:
1. Erinn
2. Tyson
3. Coach
4. Jerry
5. Brendan
6. Candace
7. Sierra
8. Debbie
no spoilers please!

[Ashley.]

Started this series about a year ago and I've just started Season 6... Really enjoying it so far.

Borneo > Africa > Australia > Marquesas > Thailand

On All-Stars now

Shii Ann remains my favourite, as was the case in Thailand.

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[Ashley.]

Finished All-Stars and I'm still super undecided on how I felt about the season as a whole. On the one hand, it had what I'd consider to be some of my favourite moments of the series so far during my Survivor watch, such as Susan's meltdown, the Jerri vs. Colby Tribal Council (unbelievably tense), Shii Ann winning immunity, Shii Ann's speech before she was voted out and Amber winning over Rob (I was so convinced Rob had it in the bag.)

However, outside of these moments it was incredibly easy to predict who was the next to go. Nobody was willing to take a shot at Rob/Amber and it just felt as though once the merge had happened, the elimination order was set in stone.

Also, was Shii Ann the first contestant to be robbed of the win twice? I think so.

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[JerseyWins]

Yeah All Stars was pretty boring and predictable tbh aside from at times around the beginning... and I love Boston Rob as a character and liked Amber on that season too.

[Ashley.]

Yeah All Stars was pretty boring and predictable tbh aside from at times around the beginning... and I love Boston Rob as a character and liked Amber on that season too.

He's fascinating but I must admit that half the time I can't understand a word he's saying.

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[Ashley.]

Finished Vanuatu. A pretty forgettable season with a generally undesirable cast so I got through it quickly just so that I could get it out of the way.

I guess I'm glad that I'm going into these spoiler-free. Had I known for example that we'd end up with that final two, I probably would have been less enthusiastic. I was holding out for a Julie/Eliza win after John left. Eliza surprised me in the end after being truly unlikable for the best part of the first half. :laugh: But yeah, I think this season just lacked a memorable cast and a defining moment. They tried pushing the Twila swearing on her son fiasco as one of the show's biggest moments but I thought that was pretty tame to be honest.

Not sure when I'll get around to the next season, but I'm hoping it's a good one. I need somebody to root for!

https://i.imgur.com/XXrIA3D.gif

[MB.]

Twila, Ami, Scout and Eliza :love:

[TomC]

Finished Vanuatu. A pretty forgettable season with a generally undesirable cast so I got through it quickly just so that I could get it out of the way.

I guess I'm glad that I'm going into these spoiler-free. Had I known for example that we'd end up with that final two, I probably would have been less enthusiastic. I was holding out for a Julie/Eliza win after John left. Eliza surprised me in the end after being truly unlikable for the best part of the first half. :laugh: But yeah, I think this season just lacked a memorable cast and a defining moment. They tried pushing the Twila swearing on her son fiasco as one of the show's biggest moments but I thought that was pretty tame to be honest.

Not sure when I'll get around to the next season, but I'm hoping it's a good one. I need somebody to root for!

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Eliza :love:

I kinda felt that way about Vanuatu but it's actually one of the ones I most wanna re-watch now lmao.

Palau is next and I LOVED it after Vanuatu. It has some amazing, rootable characters, and great moments. Very watchable.

[Ashley.]

Twila, Ami, Scout and Eliza :love:

I really wanted to like Scout, and I did at the beginning, but she just fell into a bit of a non-entity in the end? But yes I liked Eliza, queen of hiding bananas etc

[reece(:]

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[Ashley.]

Vanuatu Ranking:

John K.
Julie
Eliza
Brady
Lisa
Leann
Mia
Dolly
Twila
John P.
Ami
Travis
Chris
Scout
Brook
Chad
Rory
Lea

Season Ranking:

The Amazon
Borneo
Pearl Islands
Africa
Australia
Marquesas
All-Stars
Vanuatu
Thailand

[Macie Lightfoot]

The lack of anything Ami is... a choice.

[JerseyWins]

Eliza & Twila :love: And Chris's path to victory :joker: :clap1:

The lack of anything Ami is... a choice.
And a good one at that

[Ashley.]

I find this show entertaining and everything but what's always on my mind is how it works with all the cameramen around? Surely it's hard, unlike Big Brother, to not feel self-aware when you've literally got an entire crew shoving a camera in your face. Whenever a big drama happens I always imagine the cameramen going "OK, you can go off on this person but please wait a while so we can get a good shot of it." :laugh:

[JerseyWins]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Survivor is a completely scripted show tbh but I try to just not think about it so it's more fun. But yeah they definitely at least have some filming issues/difficulties to say the least :laugh:

[LukeB]

I need to catch up with survivor before i give some a re-watch and i didn't fully watch season 35, on the finale now and i know who wins so i'm just going to do a ranking now

Survivor Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
1.Joe
2.Cole
3.Jessica
4.Desi
5.Mike
6.Ali
7.Ben
8.Alan
9.Ashley
10.Simone
11.Chrissy
12.Lauren
13.J.P
14.Patrick
15.Devon
16.Roark
17.Katrina
18.Ryan

[RileyH]

am gonna finish China I guess :clap1:

[RileyH]

am gonna finish China I guess :clap1:

Decided to restart instead since I'd only seen 3 episodes and hadn't paid that much attention :think:

Ep 1 Rankings:

1. Ashley
2. Todd
3. Courtney
4. Amanda
5. Sherea
6. James
7. Peih-Gee
8. Leslie
9. Frosti
10. Chicken
11. Jaime
12. Erik
13. Denise
14. Jean Robert
15. Aaron
16. Dave

[JerseyWins]

10. Chicken
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Survivor Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
1.Joe
2.Cole
3.Jessica
4.Desi
5.Mike
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[LukeB]

I need to catch up with survivor before i give some a re-watch and i didn't fully watch season 35, on the finale now and i know who wins so i'm just going to do a ranking now

Survivor Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
1.Joe
2.Cole
3.Jessica
4.Desi
5.Mike
6.Ali
7.Ben
8.Alan
9.Ashley
10.Simone
11.Chrissy
12.Lauren
13.J.P
14.Patrick
15.Devon
16.Roark
17.Katrina
18.Ryan

Actually!

Survivor Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
1.Joe
2.Cole
3.Jessica
4.Desi
5.Ben
6.Mike
7.Ali
8.Alan
9.Ashley
10.Simone
11.Chrissy
12.Lauren
13.J.P
14.Patrick
15.Devon
16.Roark
17.Katrina
18.Ryan

[RileyH]

Devon deserves better

[armand.kay]

Recently started watching survivor again (haven't watched since i watched BvW live)....

So I'm just gonna give a brief opinion of the season then my top 5 castaways...

Kaôh Rōng
Thought this season was entertaining and the tribal councils did have me a bit shaken up a bit but overall the votes were a bit predictable.

Faves:
1) Aubry (ROBBED)
2) Debbie (a HOOT)
3) Cydney (fantastic player)
4) Julia ( queen if defying all odds)
5) Tai (just a great guy)

Garbage:
1) Jason and Scott

Millennial vs Gen X
This has to be up there with some of the best survivor seasons. The tribal councils had me rattled right from the start, also one of the 'social experiment' themes that actually worked although (Nicaragua did it first). The cast was brilliant and it was great watching a season that wasn't so bloody scared of making big moves. I LOVED the 'cold war' between Dan and Zeke after the merge.

Faves:
1) Michaela
2) Dave
3) Adam
4) Zeke
5) Hannah

Garbage:
1) Brett & Chris (keep it)
Figgs (keep the mediocre white girl excelling trope)
2) Taylor (keep the mediocre white guy excelling trope)


Game Changers

Had some good twists in the game but the vote off started getting predictable post merge. I was more interested pre merge. Sandra dragging Tony to hell and back as well as helping michaela by sending J.D off too was everything I needed from this season.

Faves:
1) Sandra, Cirie
2) Aubry
3) Sarah
4) Tai

Garbage:
1) Brad Culpepper.


I'm currently on Second Chances and so far it's been great.

[MB.]

MvGX and Cambodia are the antithesis of "great"

[TomC]

Not MvGX and GC

[JerseyWins]

MvGx, a wild ride of a season :love:

[armand.kay]

welp Jeff in later seasons really is obsessed with exclaiming how anything that happens is the first in 30+ years of survivor history

also in MvGX everything anyone done was always because of their generation and not, you know, their personalities.

[armand.kay]

MvGX and Cambodia are the antithesis of "great"

well I loved MvGX and I'm only 3 episodes after merge with cambodia.



With Cambodia I am surprised that I'm not rooting for the ones who were my faves prior to the game. Like I loved Tasha during Cagayan and now I'm rooting for the girls getting her or Jeremy out.

[armand.kay]

Is heroes vs healers vs hustlers any good? because the theme alone has tuned me off lol.

[armand.kay]

I find this show entertaining and everything but what's always on my mind is how it works with all the cameramen around? Surely it's hard, unlike Big Brother, to not feel self-aware when you've literally got an entire crew shoving a camera in your face. Whenever a big drama happens I always imagine the cameramen going "OK, you can go off on this person but please wait a while so we can get a good shot of it." :laugh:

They probably just have really seasoned camera men who are always on it when it comes to quickly getting a good shot. I also imagine the raw footage is probably not as good as it looks in the final edit. Theres probably loads of shots of the camera man quickly turning and trying to focus on a conversation but the editor has cut that out and replaced it with a cut away of the back or something.

One thing I've never got though, is how they get good sound all the time. It doesn't make any sense to me why they chose to use a boom rather than personal microphones surly thats just like a lot more work and now they have to have an extra person on the crew which must make it feel a bit less natural for the cast.

[MB.]

Is heroes vs healers vs hustlers any good? because the theme alone has tuned me off lol.

imo it's the best post-Kaoh Rong season (it has some great characters and it's mostly enjoyable in spite of production's many attempts to make it otherwise), but if you enjoyed MvGX then I'm not really sure if you'll like it or not

[armand.kay]

lol why do you hate MvGX so much?

[armand.kay]

They probably just have really seasoned camera men who are always on it when it comes to quickly getting a good shot. I also imagine the raw footage is probably not as good as it looks in the final edit. Theres probably loads of shots of the camera man quickly turning and trying to focus on a conversation but the editor has cut that out and replaced it with a cut away of the back or something.

One thing I've never got though, is how they get good sound all the time. It doesn't make any sense to me why they chose to use a boom rather than personal microphones surly thats just like a lot more work and now they have to have an extra person on the crew which must make it feel a bit less natural for the cast.

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[Macie Lightfoot]

Is heroes vs healers vs hustlers any good? because the theme alone has tuned me off lol.

Surely MvGX turned you off more initially, no?

[armand.kay]

Surely MvGX turned you off more initially, no?

well I didn't hate Nicaragua and it essentially sounded like the same theme but with a different name

[MB.]

lol why do you hate MvGX so much?

-It followed on from Cambodia in heralding the arrival of the "big moves" era of the show, where characterisation and humanising moments are replaced by endless strategy talk, where social game is treated as a footnote, where a constant stream of idols and advantages make coherent and structured gameplay a thing of the past, where phrases such as "trust clusters" and "resumes" are littered throughout as if they have any bearing on how the game should be played, where juries are expected to harbour no bitterness... or really any emotion whatsoever... I could go on. This approach all culminates in someone with highly erratic gameplay being rewarded unanimously by the jury for making (failed) "big moves" over someone more akin to an old school winner like Hannah or Ken

-Speaking of which, the cast is full of gamebots, of both the offensive (Zeke, Mari, Zeke, sort of Hannah, sort of Adam, ZEKE) and the offensively dull (Chris, Bret, Sunday) variety, and character moments are either non-existent or about as subtle as a bag of bricks to the head (the Zeke/Bret scene, the Jay/Adam scene, David's entire arc, and... whoops, that's it for character moments!), with no middle ground. Personally I'd say the only worthwhile people in the MvGX cast are Jay, Michaela, Taylor, Ken and Figgy? At a push?

-The theme allowed Jeff to engage in his talk show host bull**** at every Tribal, with the nadir of it all being "millennials are cool because they abbreviate words when they text!"

-It was the first season in the Mamanuca Islands, which is a location they've now filmed six consecutive seasons in and will likely never leave, as Jeff is lazy as hell, thus killing any semblance that Survivor is supposed to be a cultural experience as well as a game

-The fact that six of the seven pre-mergers were women of colour, and the only two women in the entire top 9 were both treated as goats

-Did I mention that Zeke is awful?

It does have a couple of defenders around here (and a lot more on Reddit), but that's about it :laugh:

[armand.kay]

So here's a ranking of what I've watched so far. I did go on a survivor hiatus for a few years so I had to watch some clips back to remember some of the older ones.

1) Perl island
2) The Amazon
3) Gabon: I know this is a controversial one and as a survivor fan I should hate it but its ****ing hilarious and as a reality TV fan I love it.
4) Cook Island
5) Cagayan
6) Marquesa
7) Samoa
8) Millenials VS Gen X
9) Tocantines
10) Blood vs Water
11) Cambodia
12) Kaôh Rōng
13) Nicaragua
14) San Juan Del Sur
15) One world
16) Thailand

[armand.kay]

-It followed on from Cambodia in heralding the arrival of the "big moves" era of the show, where characterisation and humanising moments are replaced by endless strategy talk, where social game is treated as a footnote, where a constant stream of idols and advantages make coherent and structured gameplay a thing of the past, where phrases such as "trust clusters" and "resumes" are littered throughout as if they have any bearing on how the game should be played, where juries are expected to harbour no bitterness... or really any emotion whatsoever... I could go on. This approach all culminates in someone with highly erratic gameplay being rewarded unanimously by the jury for making (failed) "big moves" over someone more akin to an old school winner like Hannah or Ken

-Speaking of which, the cast is full of gamebots, of both the offensive (Zeke, Mari, Zeke, sort of Hannah, sort of Adam, ZEKE) and the offensively dull (Chris, Bret, Sunday) variety, and character moments are either non-existent or about as subtle as a bag of bricks to the head (the Zeke/Bret scene, the Jay/Adam scene, David's entire arc, and... whoops, that's it for character moments!), with no middle ground. Personally I'd say the only worthwhile people in the MvGX cast are Jay, Michaela, Taylor, Ken and Figgy? At a push?

-The theme allowed Jeff to engage in his talk show host bull**** at every Tribal, with the nadir of it all being "millennials are cool because they abbreviate words when they text!"

-It was the first season in the Mamanuca Islands, which is a location they've now filmed six consecutive seasons in and will likely never leave, as Jeff is lazy as hell, thus killing any semblance that Survivor is supposed to be a cultural experience as well as a game

-The fact that six of the seven pre-mergers were women of colour, and the only two women in the entire top 9 were both treated as goats

-Did I mention that Zeke is awful?

It does have a couple of defenders around here (and a lot more on Reddit), but that's about it :laugh:

I get your point about the whole 'big move" era but for me it was a nice change from seasons where we had like 4 people post merge actually playing the game and their alliances who just carried them to the final 3. if it wasn't for everyone trying to prove themselves as a player in the game then either david or zeke wold of had an easy ride to the final. Maybe I really enjoyed it because of how frustrated I was during cagayan when the cast basically just handed Tony the win. I will say though I do agree with you about all the advantages, its hard to enjoy the game playing when get out of jail free cards are being handed out willy nilly.

- I do agree with you about the Jeff thing too the MvGX talk was just ridiculous and I fond it annoying that even after merge he was still going on about it.

[Ashley.]

I've watched three more seasons since I last posted here (Palau, Guatemala, Panama)..

Palau was OK. The only two I really liked were Bobby Jon & Stephanie which was mainly motivated by their storyline, but the cast was interesting enough despite the terrible final three. I was surprised to see at the reunion that Tom was so popular as a player, I didn't think he was that great and essentially profitted from everybody else's idiotic decisions.

Guatemala had a brilliant cast and the final five or so were likable enough for me not to mind who won. Bobby Jon was my favourite again but Lydia and Stephenie were equally amazing. Jamie and Judd were equally awful.

Panama was my favourite of the three. Cirie is probably my favourite contestant of the series and a reason why I enjoyed the season so much. Aras winning was a great end to the season too, I thought he was lovely.

Season Ranking:

Panama
The Amazon
Borneo
Pearl Islands
Africa
Australia
Guatemala
Marquesas
All-Stars
Palau
Vanuatu
Thailand

I'll probably get around to watching Cook Islands within the next couple of months or so. :think:

[Macie Lightfoot]

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Stephenie's mask slipping during Guatemala :love:

[TomC]

I've watched three more seasons since I last posted here (Palau, Guatemala, Panama)..

Palau was OK. The only two I really liked were Bobby Jon & Stephanie which was mainly motivated by their storyline, but the cast was interesting enough despite the terrible final three. I was surprised to see at the reunion that Tom was so popular as a player, I didn't think he was that great and essentially profitted from everybody else's idiotic decisions.

Guatemala had a brilliant cast and the final five or so were likable enough for me not to mind who won. Bobby Jon was my favourite again but Lydia and Stephenie were equally amazing. Jamie and Judd were equally awful.

Panama was my favourite of the three. Cirie is probably my favourite contestant of the series and a reason why I enjoyed the season so much. Aras winning was a great end to the season too, I thought he was lovely.

Season Ranking:

Panama
The Amazon
Borneo
Pearl Islands
Africa
Australia
Guatemala
Marquesas
All-Stars
Palau
Vanuatu
Thailand

I'll probably get around to watching Cook Islands within the next couple of months or so. :think:

Guatemala :love: BObby Jon :love:

Surprised you didn't like Palau, it was probably my favourite so far when I was doing my chronological Survivor watch

[Ashley.]

Guatemala :love: BObby Jon :love:

Surprised you didn't like Palau, it was probably my favourite so far when I was doing my chronological Survivor watch

With shows like this, the cast is everything. You can't rely on the public to boot off the bad ones. Plus, I always seem to root for those who don't really stand a chance and leave early, Shii Ann being the biggest example of this. It probably comes from a place of really wanting them to defy the odds but deep down knowing that they have no chance. :laugh: And obviously with Palau we had Bobby Jon & Stephenie who were my favourites by far, and once they both left I just didn't really care for anybody left other than Janu (who was also an outsider) and the predictability of it all just really made it a bit lacklustre. I like power shifts.

[armand.kay]

With shows like this, the cast is everything. You can't rely on the public to boot off the bad ones. Plus, I always seem to root for those who don't really stand a chance and leave early, Shii Ann being the biggest example of this. It probably comes from a place of really wanting them to defy the odds but deep down knowing that they have no chance. :laugh: And obviously with Palau we had Bobby Jon & Stephenie who were my favourites by far, and once they both left I just didn't really care for anybody left other than Janu (who was also an outsider) and the predictability of it all just really made it a bit lacklustre. I like power shifts.

Yeah I always root for the underdog and then when they get the power and get a bit too big for their boots I low-key hope they're knocked down a peg

[armand.kay]

So don't judge me guys but I've already finished HvHvH and i thought it was really good. No real villains so I enjoyed the game playing a lot more because I wasn't blinded by how much I hated a person when they pulled a big move.... I also really enjoyed all the drama in the camp and the fact that everyone was actually devistated when they got the boot.

So again guys no judgement zone... but I've also started Ghost Island and it's probably the worst thing I've watched for a while, this season might mark the end of my survivor binge...

[MB.]

I also enjoyed HHH and think Ghost Island is the worst thing I've watched in a while, so we're on the same page there :laugh:

[LukeB]

I also enjoyed HHH and think Ghost Island is the worst thing I've watched in a while, so we're on the same page there :laugh:

Same here

[armand.kay]

Did they purposely get really stupid and mediocre people for ghost island so they could recreate the epic mistakes made in past seasons? So far It's not Thailand level bad but I defines did enjoy one world a lot more than this.

[armand.kay]

It feels like I'm watching a mock survivor season played by fans at some sort of cbs convention

[armand.kay]

Ok so I'm done now.. I ended up just fast forwarding to the challenges/tribal council for the last few eps... This season was just garbage, I'm actually pissed off at myself for watching it all... It's literally impossible to make a worse season. the only redeeming quality about it was Sia rhiturn for her fund a gay charity...

[Macie Lightfoot]

Philippines level bad isn't bad at all lol

[JerseyWins]

Ghost Island really isn't some really bad season. It was an unmemorable one though tbf.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think what Ghost Island represents in terms of what Survivor's priorities are in 2018 are more offensive than Ghost Island itself is.

[armand.kay]

Philippines level bad isn't bad at all lol

I meant Thailand lol

[armand.kay]

Welp at the final of Survivor Caramoan dragging some homophobic old guy from Borneo out so he can jokingly use the word "queer" a few times.

[Eddie.]

Cook Islands, Episode 1, Sekou voted out.

Aitutaki Tribe:
1. Ozzy
2. Billy
3. Cristina
4. Cecillia
5. J.P.

Manihiki Tribe:
1. Rebecca
2. Sundra
3. Nate
4. Sekou
5. Stephanie

Puka Puka Tribe:
1. Cao Boi
2. Jenny
3. Becky
4. Yul
5. Brad

Rarotonga Tribe:
1. Parvati
2. Flicka
3. Candice
4. Adam
5. Jonathan

Tribe Rankings:
1. Puka Puka
2. Aitutaki
3. Manihiki
4. Rarotonga

[VanessaFeltz.]

Welp at the final of Survivor Caramoan dragging some homophobic old guy from Borneo out so he can jokingly use the word "queer" a few times.

rudy is a scum

[Macie Lightfoot]

So Survivor South Africa: Philippines inspired me so much that I decided to take on Champions! I just finished episode 5 and hooooooly **** these people are insane, what a fantastic episode. Even in spite of him being blatantly racist against Indians last episode, I am in looooooove with Zan and his boot was just everything I wanted. Being such a nuisance that Marian hid all of his pants for no reason, politely asking to quit bc he wants to go home to his girlfriend (:love:), pissing everyone off even more bc he's a good fisherman and he wants to quit, Stephen plotting to blindside Buhle bc he thinks she has the HII, Shane going along with the plan even though he has the HII, Buhle finding out about the plan to "blindside" her to flush out the HII she doesn't have, Zan stealing the flint and giving to to Buhle so they don't vote her out, and everyone casting the NASTIEST votes towards each other such as "Zannex," "Zan is not the man," and "Solly *full-fledged paragraph written on the ballot about how much he sucks" :joker:

AND THERE WAS STILL ANOTHER TRIBAL COUNCIL THAT WAS JUST AS MESSY :love::love::love: the whole David-Shona alliance is what dreams are made of. The two most annoying people immediately becoming tribal outcasts and getting saved only to blindside the cocky overdogs finding a HII and then having everything blow up because they're sooooo annoying and stupid :love: like... David found the HII and told Shona but refused to tell her where he hid it, everyone getting suspicious of David for being David, Shona planning to blindside him just for fun and STEALING the HII, David owning up to having an HII and fully implicating Shona as a two-faced backstabber, a and then the entire tribe agreeing to give the HII to Corne while Shona is just left crying on the beach about how she tanked her game so badly :joker::joker::joker: oh my god what a fantastic hour of television.

[Macie Lightfoot]

So Survivor South Africa: Philippines inspired me so much that I decided to take on Champions! I just finished episode 5 and hooooooly **** these people are insane, what a fantastic episode. Even in spite of him being blatantly racist against Indians last episode, I am in looooooove with Zan and his boot was just everything I wanted. Being such a nuisance that Marian hid all of his pants for no reason, politely asking to quit bc he wants to go home to his girlfriend (:love:), pissing everyone off even more bc he's a good fisherman and he wants to quit, Stephen plotting to blindside Buhle bc he thinks she has the HII, Shane going along with the plan even though he has the HII, Buhle finding out about the plan to "blindside" her to flush out the HII she doesn't have, Zan stealing the flint and giving to to Buhle so they don't vote her out, and everyone casting the NASTIEST votes towards each other such as "Zannex," "Zan is not the man," and "Solly *full-fledged paragraph written on the ballot about how much he sucks" :joker:

AND THERE WAS STILL ANOTHER TRIBAL COUNCIL THAT WAS JUST AS MESSY :love::love::love: the whole David-Shona alliance is what dreams are made of. The two most annoying people immediately becoming tribal outcasts and getting saved only to blindside the cocky overdogs finding a HII and then having everything blow up because they're sooooo annoying and stupid :love: like... David found the HII and told Shona but refused to tell her where he hid it, everyone getting suspicious of David for being David, Shona planning to blindside him just for fun and STEALING the HII, David owning up to having an HII and fully implicating Shona as a two-faced backstabber, a and then the entire tribe agreeing to give the HII to Corne while Shona is just left crying on the beach about how she tanked her game so badly :joker::joker::joker: oh my god what a fantastic hour of television.

[Headie]

Champions was great altho it was so long ago I barely remember much of it, just remember really enjoying it. And the messy stealing of idols :laugh:

[reece(:]

Howling

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[Headie]

Howling

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b5b7718e9d07f020e2a90346d9795acb/tumblr_op10xnMil41vsgoazo1_400.gif

Nnn I remember that

[Headie]

I'm tempted to rewatch an older season again but can't decide which. One in the 3-7 range.

[Braden]

Just finished the premiere episode of Ghost Island. It's my first time watching since I was busy studying at the time, but I did manage to wiki-watch the season and occasionally keep up with thoughts and opinions on here. There's an obvious consensus that the season isn't enjoyable, but I'm trying to go into it with an open mind. However, it was suuuuuch a drag to get through. The cast seems bland, but I'm hoping I'll eventually like a few people who are currently UTR. The general Ghost Island theme is a bit jarring, though I kind of like the nostalgia, having people read out producer's subjective opinions on how idols/advantages were misplayed is really annoying. It definitely seems like it will be a cluster****, and an abundance of idols/advantages in play is destined to be awful.

I'm glad Gonzales was voted off first, she was obnoxious and pompous. Jacob was more likable, but he's not a loss. It was quite amusing to watch him suggest that he was misting Naviti into sending him to Ghost Island, lol. In terms of people I like, it's definitely slim pickings. Stephanie is good to watch so far ("she is. but. is she? re: Michael saying Gonzales is a physical asset to the tribe, lol) but she is toeing the line into horrific gamebot territory. There are definitely more people I'm concerned about (Domenick and Michael, mainly) in terms of people being awful/boring but we'll see.

Hopefully, I can get through it, lol. I haven't watched anything from David vs. Goliath yet either, but I've heard great things so at least I'll have something to look forward to even if GI is terrible.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah if you're thinking that Ghost Personalities is a bit of a drag already then it's going to be kinda rough for you :(

David vs. Goliath is a DELIGHT so far though :love: it's everything GI is not in the best way possible.

[Braden]

Okay, episode 3 of Ghost Island was a lot better than the premiere. It felt a lot nicer to follow because the narrative was clearer and everything wasn't so rushed. There was a bit of an eye-roll moment with there being a tribe swap so soon, but at least the premiere episode doesn't bode completely irrelevant because of the Chris/Domenick dynamic seeping through to this one (even though I'm completely over Domenick already).

lmao at Morgan being blindsided. There was something so stank and unlikable about her that I can't really put into words rn, but still, lol. I think it's because of how dismissive she was towards Angela (who is quite boring, but I appreciate that she appears like someone who was supposed to be cast in, like, Survivor Thailand but found herself in an evolved GAME CHANGING era). Like, at tribal council when she said "Well, Chris isn't here! :smug:" when all Angela was trying to do was explain that she was being forced into doing something by Chris. So yeah, I appreciate Original Malolo owning Morgan, but fgs at Domenick now having an idol and an advantage (though, that advantage is literally the silliest thing ever).

I wouldn't be surprised if I watch the next episode and there's another tribe swap. Jeff and co seem to love them these days.

Ranking of the eliminated cast so far, which I'll update every episode or so:

Jacob
Morgan
Gonzales

[TomC]

Okay, episode 3 of Ghost Island was a lot better than the premiere. It felt a lot nicer to follow because the narrative was clearer and everything wasn't so rushed. There was a bit of an eye-roll moment with there being a tribe swap so soon, but at least the premiere episode doesn't bode completely irrelevant because of the Chris/Domenick dynamic seeping through to this one (even though I'm completely over Domenick already).

lmao at Morgan being blindsided. There was something so stank and unlikable about her that I can't really put into words rn, but still, lol. I think it's because of how dismissive she was towards Angela (who is quite boring, but I appreciate that she appears like someone who was supposed to be cast in, like, Survivor Thailand but found herself in an evolved GAME CHANGING era). Like, at tribal council when she said "Well, Chris isn't here! :smug:" when all Angela was trying to do was explain that she was being forced into doing something by Chris. So yeah, I appreciate Original Malolo owning Morgan, but fgs at Domenick now having an idol and an advantage (though, that advantage is literally the silliest thing ever).

I wouldn't be surprised if I watch the next episode and there's another tribe swap. Jeff and co seem to love them these days.

Ranking of the eliminated cast so far, which I'll update every episode or so:

Jacob
Morgan
Gonzales

i am interested on hearing your thoughts! iirc episodes 4-8 are an okay-ish stretch (still terrible compared to DvG), but it goes very downhill from there

[Braden]

i am interested on hearing your thoughts! iirc episodes 4-8 are an okay-ish stretch (still terrible compared to DvG), but it goes very downhill from there

Thank you! That's good to hear. If the season maintains a similar standard to the episode I just watched, it shouldn't be too bad to get through.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Spoiler: It won't :)

But yeah, I wanna say that the next three episodes are like........ not entirely unwatchable, but then things go downhill fast.

I'll actually be curious to hear your thoughts on the merge episode because I personally found it to be abysmal but of course Reddit ate that **** up like nothing. It's even more baffling because this season we got an actually great merge episode.

[TomC]

Spoiler: It won't :)

But yeah, I wanna say that the next three episodes are like........ not entirely unwatchable, but then things go downhill fast.

I'll actually be curious to hear your thoughts on the merge episode because I personally found it to be abysmal but of course Reddit ate that **** up like nothing. It's even more baffling because this season we got an actually great merge episode.

tbf the consensus on GI on reddit really isn't that great now that DvG is out. What pisses me off more is how loved MvGX is on there :omgno:

[Braden]

Spoiler: It won't :)

But yeah, I wanna say that the next three episodes are like........ not entirely unwatchable, but then things go downhill fast.

I'll actually be curious to hear your thoughts on the merge episode because I personally found it to be abysmal but of course Reddit ate that **** up like nothing. It's even more baffling because this season we got an actually great merge episode.

:joker:

Hmm, I don't tend to enjoy endgames regardless, especially in modern-day Survivor. Knowing how this season plays out, though, I'm expecting it to be extra-awful. Time will tell, I guess.

I remember reading the thread during that episode. I'm curious myself.

tbf the consensus on GI on reddit really isn't that great now that DvG is out. What pisses me off more is how loved MvGX is on there :omgno:

I actually enjoyed MvGX :/

It's not good good, but definitely watchable and enough is happening that I'm at least interested. It's at the top of my yellow-tier in my season ranking.

[Braden]

Dare I say I'm actually starting to enjoy the Chris/Domenick dynamic right now. Perhaps, because I'm growing to like Chris more and more, and in some alternative universe he will conquer Domenick and we'll be rid of him and his silly idols/advantages.

Also, is there something in the air at Ghost Island that turns people so emotional? (lol, I know it's basically production prodding them with a 'cry about your life and how much you've grown and how that relates to the game' stick). Like, both Chris and Kellyn's moments were nice, but it was all laid on a bit too thick for me?

I'm not mad about Brendan leaving. There was something so irritating about how the original Malolo 4 felt that Bradley deserved to leave before them. The pity party was too much.

In terms of the season's quality, I'd still say it's mediocre. The past two episode have been somewhat enjoyable, but I'm still finding it difficult to find a favourite. Jenna has potential, but I haven't seen enough of her yet. Sebastien is also quite adorkable. I think Chris is my favourite by default, and that's probably more to do with circumstance than anything.

[Braden]

I've just witnessed Chris' rapping for the first time :love:

[Braden]

So yeah, Ghost Island isn't too bad so far. It definitely helps that there's no one really terrible suffocating the edit. If this season had a Russell or a Phillip it would be in the red territory of my season ranking. The general pleasantness of everyone so far is making it perfectly watchable.

Bradley is a tad overrated on the forum (srry Macie </3). I get the appeal but his voice and lack of lips are annoying. Stephanie was fine, but I feel like her story-arc became too much of a pity party to endure. I'm really liking Jenna, simply because I can relate to the RBF condition she explained so well :love: Oh, and her relationship with Sebastien is super-cute. I feel like there's been a lot of random support for couples who really did nothing for me (Figgy and Taylor, Jessica and Cole, etc.), but I can totally get behind Sebastian and Jenna :love:

I think my favourites so far are Chris and Donathan.

[MB.]

Bradley is a tad overrated on the forum

Dead. to. me.

(jk)

[JerseyWins]

Wendell's voting confessional in what I believe was the merge episode? :love:

[Braden]

Dead. to. me.

(jk)

:joker:

There's still time!

[Headie]

I hated Bradley lol I really didn't understand his popularity

[reece(:]

I hated Bradley lol I really didn't understand his popularity

2

I don't really think he's popular just a few people amped him up

[Moniqua]

Desiree's scream is my ring-tone x

[Braden]

I think the Bradley hype raised my expectations a bit too high because I get why people would like him, but in reality, he's a mediocre personality in a season that's desperate for them.

Chris is meeting the hype, however.

[Braden]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/77bf04a0f2cc4d84e2d1d1195530a902/tumblr_p6fcx3VOK01vyjokho1_400.gif

lmfao, why am I obsessed with this reaction?

[Braden]

The pleasant surprise of that episode was Domenick being bearable, even enjoyable, dare I say. His burning hatred of Chris is unironically resembling a high-school teen who is jealous of the popular girl :love: calling Bradley 'babe' throughout the immunity challenge :love: his reaction to Libby almost breaking her face :love: The insistence of Libby being Parvati 2.0/The Devil in an Angels Body...not so cute.

I feel like I should be complaining that there's another tribe swap, but I don't actually mind that they've been split into three tribes. It's freshened up the dynamics and it was a good way to have Angela back on the show. Queen of evoking emotion when she hasn't even been sent to Ghost Island.

James was sweet. He's probably my favourite from all of the payers who have been voted off so far, purely by default because the others either sucked or were boring (or were both). His blindside reaction (which was totally aimed at Michael :joker:) was pretty hilarious, and he was an essential casualty if it meant we get to see Desiree scream at people some more.

idk, Ghost Island is actually quite alright so far. I'm just waiting for it to fall off a cliff.

[TomC]

James :love:

[TomC]

how do you think GI stacks up against other seasons you've seen?

[TomC]

i'm excited for you bc you are able to binge-watch DvG. It will leave you WIGLESS.

[MB.]

Angela's trend of only bothering to turn up to film every third episode :love:

[TomC]

Angela's edit deserved so much better! Definitely a GI fave for me.

[Braden]

how do you think GI stacks up against other seasons you've seen?

I'd actually say it's a teeny-weeny bit above average, which means yellow on my ranking list (maybe, below Tocantins, and just above Guatemala...no doubt this will change, however :p)

i'm excited for you bc you are able to binge-watch DvG. It will leave you WIGLESS.

Oh, girl. My wig is barely hanging on just by what I've heard about this season.

[TomC]

:omgno: not gi > guatemala

[Braden]

We'll see what happens :joker: From what I've learnt from you guys, Ghost Island has probably peaked and is heading for a downward spiral.

[reece(:]

Angela's edit deserved so much better! Definitely a GI fave for me.

Sis soured towards the end

[Braden]

No-one told me that Chris also has taste for iconic Housewives?!?! :love:

p/BQT628gh2Qu

[TomC]

Sis soured towards the end

oh oops u reminded me of the tea, she was a key player in turning the season ****ing sour

[JerseyWins]

Seriously, it took me a bit to remember that Angela was the older military girl? :joker:

[Braden]

Most of this episode was literally Michael, Kellyn and Wendell finding their idols/advantages. Boring! As much as I said that Bradley wasn't all that, I do appreciate that he caused some interest with his OTTN ways. Like, he went full-blown cartoon villain this episode and it was literally the only enjoyable aspect.

The whole Malolo sucks thing was so overblown and pointless. Ulong called, it wants back its relevancy you're trying to steal, lmao.

I don't really have much else to say. I might watch another episode and hope that it gets better, but also because I want to quickly move onto David vs. Goliath.

[Braden]

https://preview.ibb.co/cnX720/New-Project-1.png

Queen of talking strategy over a cup of coffee.

[JerseyWins]

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Queen of talking strategy over a cup of coffee.
:joker: :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

yuuuup it's all downhill from here --New Found Glory --Macie Lightfoot

[Macie Lightfoot]

Also, I think I'm going to try to rewatch Nicaragua soon? I only have edgic from RI and onwards, so I think my plan is to rewatch Nicaragua and edgic it, rewatch SJDS just because I love it :love:, and then go back and rewatch and edgic 1-20???

So stay tuned ladies x

[Braden]

Why did Chris not play his idol?!?! The episode itself wasn't as terrible as I thought it would be, but the outcome certainly set the rest of the season up to be terrible. I think I said during episode 3/4 that the Chris/Domenick feud was actually starting to amuse me as oppose to bemuse me. The intensity of it all was somewhat entertaining, but the outcome is a bit crap since Chris is obviously superior the other two. Honestly, I believe he could've carried the season had he stayed longer. I mean, it's a bit pathetic that two grown men are battling in what is basically a 'my dick is bigger than yours' fight for alpha-male status, but I'd say it was more pathetic on Dom's side since his hatred of Chris seemed a bit put on for the sake of a storyline.

I think what annoyed me more was Wendell's mini-me-self emulating Domenick. His voting confessional was probably one of the most obnoxious of all time. Both Wendell and Dom try too hard to have moments...if that makes sense. But quite honestly, I don't mind Domenick as much. There's enough of an erratic personality there to keep me slightly invested in him as a character.

The thing that interested me most was the concept of the four original Naviti girls sticking together to vote of Libby. I like Libby, but I think the four of them voting together and blindsiding both of the alphas would've been an enjoyable outcome to the episode...but that does mean Chris would've had to play his idol, lmao.

As for the idol/advantages, my god. I completely lost focus of who had what, like I completely forgot Michael and Wendell had idols.

[Macie Lightfoot]

yuuuup it's all downhill from here --New Found Glory --Macie Lightfoot

......x

I started my Nicaragau rewatch last night! Just the premiere and I was taken aback by the pacing of it all? 90 minute premieres really are The Move because Nicaragua's premiere was only 60 minutes and with the first 10 minutes being focused on the Medallion of Power (lol), plus an IC and TC, there was really no time left any actual tribe dynamics.

Because of that, 40% of the cast was UTR :joker: my biggest takeaway was WENDY JO, whom I always thought was overrated as one of the best first boots of all time. I'm not ready to call her one of the best first boots of all time but she was a lot better than I remembered and I get it! Such a tragic tale of trying to actively not be an annoying chatterbox and then get voted out because you didn't connect with anyone on your tribe (well, the secret scenes on the DVD also show that she was annoying about hygiene when they're in Nicaragua and everything is dirty) :( she was also INSPIRATIONAL at TC when she chastised everyone for not asking her how old she was (cuing Jill to say she did ask her, Yve to say that that's one thing she'd never ask a woman, and Tyrone rolling his eyes and saying she looks so young :joker:) it was such a great showing and then she made it even greater by stopping Jeff and listing off all of the things she could bring to camp, including being fun and fun to be around and likable and honest and trustworthy and the fact that she doesn't have any blisters on her feet! What a gem of a woman.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Episode 2 was Very Good with Holly melting down over the snails, Holly destroying Dan's $1600 alligator shoes (:love:), NaOnka stealing Jud's socks and getting loud too, and then all the drama between Brenda/Chase/Shannon before the vote. I remember not caring too much about Chase when Nicaragua first aired but I'm already feeling better about him? A precious earth angel who wants to play the game as honest as he can and with as much integrity as possible yet he somehow finds himself in the middle of every vote and alliance <3

On the flip side, I somehow blocked out just how ****ing bad Shannon is? Not even just asking Sash if he's gay at TC (you don't need to ask, come on) but his entire first episode was like "UGH women! Men are always tied down by marriage! We're going to have a women president soon! Fabio is retarded!" and yeah none of that really ages well at all. I was also shocked to find out that Shannon is married?!?!?! And he might have offspring?!?!?! That's actually the scariest part about it all, that someone with an IQ that low reproduced and is guiding young children through their early stages of life.

Oh, and in his extended final words on the DVD he also said that he hopes Chase loses his vocal cords so he can't sing his gay country music anymore so he continues to be charming.

Other people who I'm not really digging are Mr. Farty Marty and Jill? They're not bad, but Marty's just getting a bunch of empty confessionals about nothing and yet we're supposed to view him as the smartest person on the island. It feels like I'm listening to Cameron Cole in the DR, "The game is beginning! This first vote is going to be crucial! Jimmy J being the leader is good because that means I'm not the leader!" like wow what breaking news. Jill isn't terribad either but it was just really ****ing lame that she figured out that the HII clue was "tree man --> tree male --> Tree Mail" and then with that exclusive piece of information...... she immediately went and told Marty to go get the HII because "he seems smart so I want to get on his good side" :skull:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Episode 3 of Nicaragua was fine! Espada is kinda boring so the fact that most of the pre-swap episodes revolve around who they're going to vote off is kind of a drag. Especially the Jimmy Johnson boot, like I don't particularly mind him because he seems like a legitimately nice person but oh my god what a snoozefest, he's not interesting enough to be so high-vis. THAT BEING SAID, it's hilarious how half of the tribe worships him as a god and the other half can't stand him, both hilariously (Jimmy T :love:) and annoyingly (Mr. Farty Marty :rolleyes:).

La Flor was much better though, especially with NaOnka and Kelly B wrestling over the clue :joker: even though NaOnka's a hoot she really is such a grimy person and she dances ALL over the line of being Too Much. Somehow who I am very captivated by though is ALINA, who really is one of the best examples of That Girl. Her first confessional was about how much she hated Marty's guts literally just based on their first impressions walking to meet Jeff on Day 1, she found the clue with Kelly B on like Day 2 but decided that she doesn't like her bc she has one leg and is a threat to win the sympathy vote, then she somehow doubled down on siding with Shannon even through his disastrous TC showing and now she's in a position where her only ally is Kelly B? :joker: it's such a fun journey because even though the show edits her as a pretty bland MOR townsperson you can tell that she must be soooooo irritating to live with.

Episode 4 was better mainly because of Jimmy T's continued quest to be seen as the tribe leader :love: I will admit that he wasn't QUITE as good as I remembered, but I love how he always shoehorned his resume into every tribe meeting and insisted that he wants to try being the leader because he has so many great leadership qualities that he uses back at home. Shame it all didn't work out for him just bc Mr. Farty's such a dumb ****face :rolleyes: He really is getting on my nerves because he is just sooooooo arrogant and full of himself for seemingly no reason, and he keeps talking about how NOBODY IS HERE TO PLAY THE GAME just bc they don't want to do what he wants them to do. I need his downfall to happen soon :)

[TomC]

I just re-watched Episode 1 of Africa. The music, culture and challenges they had in the early seasons can only be described as epic. Nearly brought a tear to my eye! The challenge was just so physically gruelling it was amazing to watch. It's so easy to understand how Survivor was such a huge phenomenon in its first few years.

Boran were so awful to Clarence :skull: Like they were waiting for him to **** up so they could pounce on him. And it's obviously from a racist place in Tom's case - I can't believe Tom said he'd shoot Clarence if he had a gun.

Linda's confessional on respecting Mother Africa :love:

[Braden]

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Star of episode 9; queen of pot-stirring, queen of being tired of being left out of conversations, queen of doing a dance while eating Fijian slugs :love:

[Braden]

When Angela wasn't being an absolute legend this episode, everything else was kinda boring. It wasn't too bad, but there's definitely a hole in the season now Chris has left (btw, I just watched his ponderosa video :love:). There was a lot of focus on Wendell and Laurel's relationship, which I really don't care for at all. They're both boring and it bothers me that they make it to the end because it's destined to be such a crappy end-game. The switch from Domenick's strong edit to Wendell's winner edit is blatant and also a detriment because he's not really as interesting or compelling.

The only other take away I have from this episode is how irritating Michael was. There's something so soft about his character that annoys me whenever he has airtime. Like the fact he had to finish the eating challenge even though Angela had already beaten him (:love:) because "you only get to play this game once" and something about appreciating Fijian culture. I actually did like it when Wendell just threw the fisheye away when he couldn't manage to pick it up and everyone already had it their mouths, lmao.

Libby leaving doesn't really change anything, so I can't say much about it. I would've obviously preferred Michael to leave, but...yeah, that's it really. A bog-standard episode.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Omg thank you, Michael SUCKS and is actually my least favorite. Soft is the perfect word for him. So boring, so repetitive (WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE ON THE BOTTOM!), so bland.... being young is not a personality trait and the ONLY reason that he got a lot more attention than Wil did in MVGX and Julie did in KR was because he's a conventionally attractive dude. Yet another embodiment of str8 white male privilege because his personality was as exciting as, like, Kim Spradlin's.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Also, Libby was a vigorous forum favorite here and I still don't understand why. Like it was jaw-dropping when she cut Morgan's throat so ruthlessly but then like..... she did nothing for another six or so episodes and was a nonentity? Pass.

[Braden]

Omg thank you, Michael SUCKS and is actually my least favorite. Soft is the perfect word for him. So boring, so repetitive (WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE ON THE BOTTOM!), so bland.... being young is not a personality trait and the ONLY reason that he got a lot more attention than Wil did in MVGX and Julie did in KR was because he's a conventionally attractive dude. Yet another embodiment of str8 white male privilege because his personality was as exciting as, like, Kim Spradlin's.

I agree! And the fact he felt the need to lie about his age in the first episode for some reason that I've forgotten but I'm sure was completely unnecessary. He has such a soft presence that comes across like he's in constant need of having someone hold his hand, lmao.

Also, Libby was a vigorous forum favorite here and I still don't understand why. Like it was jaw-dropping when she cut Morgan's throat so ruthlessly but then like..... she did nothing for another six or so episodes and was a nonentity? Pass.

Interesting! I didn't think she would be. I thought she was hated for being a Trump supporter, but I could be totally making that up because it's only something I vaguely recall seeing on here or social media. She was perfectly likable but didn't do a lot. However, I do appreciate how much of a random threat she was to all the others and how she was referred to as Parvati just because of the Morgan boot :joker:

[TomC]

I also think Michael sucks. I can't believe in a season of such uneven editing, they gave all the airtime to ppl like Michael, laurel and Kellyn!

James, Chelsea, Libby, Des, Jenna and Angela were paid dust

[Moniqua]

Interesting! I didn't think she would be. I thought she was hated for being a Trump supporter, but I could be totally making that up because it's only something I vaguely recall seeing on here or social media. She was perfectly likable but didn't do a lot. However, I do appreciate how much of a random threat she was to all the others and how she was referred to as Parvati just because of the Morgan boot :joker:

you might be mixing her up with liberty from ANTM season 24 which was airing around the same time as Ghost Island.

[TomC]

Lmao the challenges in Africa are so dangerous, like rolling a bloody boulder up and down hills? Someone climbing to the top of a narrow pillar? It's genuinely a wonder no medevacs took place this season

Africa is so much more openly strategic than Australia. Samburu is a game-changing tribe! Boran probably less so outside Ethan, Tom and Lex trio. They were set up so well in the game from the start as a result of the weak women on their tribe, and Clarence having a huge target on his back from Day 1.

[Braden]

so I watched episode 10 a few days ago but forgot to post my commentary. I don't have much to say apart from the fact that I do appreciate Desiree trying to spice things up by turning on the original Naviti tribe. alseaux, Laurel was kinda bad this episode. I know she's actually a sane human being and she was obviously telling the truth about the Desiree situation, but I'm not here for her being a Domenick/Wendell lackey. and tbh, I don't mind Kellyn, but Desiree randomly orchestrating a blindside would've been far more interesting than the actual outcome.

yeah, pretty boring season. however, I would still say it's relatively mediocre. nobody has been seriously awful and nothing about the season has been seriously detrimental that I would put it in red in my season ranking. it probably helps that I'm not watching it on a week to week basis, though, as that would probably be really, really bad so I get why it gets panned as much as it does.

[Braden]

Haven't watched or posted any Survivor Ghost Island content lately, so decided to treat myself and binge-watch TWO whole episodes.

Episode 11 was actually okay. Lavita splitting into two separate tribes again was fine because the pace picked up quite nicely and it at least felt like something exciting was going to happen. The outcome itself was kinda bittersweet; we lost the robotic yet unintentionally hilarious Jenna, but finally got rid of dullard Michael (even though I did end up wanting him to stay just to split up the annoyingly overbearing Dom/Laurel/Wendell trifecta.) Did appreciate his ridiculous last-ditch effort to stay by asking Donathan to 'borrow' his idol, to which Donathan immediately replied with a straight-faced "No." lmfao.

Episode 12 was a lot more frustrating, if only because there was a chance to get rid of Wendell (who I actually dislike more than Domenick simply because he's more boring) that wasn't taken. Donathan and Laurel really should've seized that opportunity. I wasn't shocked Laurel stayed with Dom and Wendell, but I had hopes that Donathan would at least switch to the other sides. and lol, it was nice to know where Sebastien actually stood in terms of the tribe dynamic. That seemed to come from nowhere.

God love Chelsea. I honestly couldn't tell you a single thing about her or what she did this season. She seems like a perfectly normal person as far as Survivor players go, but production decided to swallow her up in the edit for god knows what reason. It's annoying because if Chelsea was a dude, she would probably be depicted as a comp-beast and be given an edit ala Joe Anglim. But she's a woman, gotta love Survivor.

[TomC]

Chelsea's edit was really disgusting. She didn't even get a confessional when she won immunity!

[TomC]

I actually really liked the girl, in line with my UTR1-goddess-stanning!

[TomC]

Just watched Episode 1 of Vanuatu.

The opening segment was absolutely incredible!

The men really do blur into one lol. And I was really shocked when I saw the first boot got FOUR confessionals? Bc i only remember one, and after 2 watches now I'll never remember anything of signficance from them.

I liked Lisa and Scout from the very little we saw of them in Episode 1, and I think that's pretty similar to how I felt on first watch at the start.

The gender-tribe stuff is really jarring 14 years on :skull:

[Braden]

prelude: so episode 13 was actually good. I appreciate Donathan's neuroticism saving the tail-end of this season. I don't think anyone has self-destructed as badly as him during the end-game, but I'm thankful for his tirade against Domenick and Wendell. Simply because the way they treated him was super-crappy and obnoxious, and it definitely cemented my dislike for both of them. Other than that, it was actually a little sad to see Kellyn go. I grew to like her towards the end.

finale: was kinda basic and straightforward, aside from Donathan continuing his plan to carry out a war against (mainly) Domenick and (to a lesser extent) Wendell. Sea Bass suddenly joining Donathan in planning to get rid of—either Domenick or Wendell, I can't remember which one— was very fitting, considering this is the season of late opportunities. Donathan's attitude is just so hilarious to watch during tribal councils because he's obviously scared of being voted out, but is still trying to intimidate Domenick and Wendell by being as passive aggressive as possible, lmao.

It obviously felt right to have a Domenick, Laurel, Wendell final three, since the edit it made it painfully obvious. The split vote at final tribal council didn't excite me as much as I thought it would, probably because I already knew it was going to happen. Laurel ultimately voting for the winner was boring and made the live vote reveal extremely anti-climatic.

ghost island: so this season was definitely not great. I can see why it's panned on here. and watching on a week to week basis was probably painfully tedious. The cast was quite bland and there was an obvious supporting cast to cater for big characters who were either obnoxious over unnecessary, overblown CP. The theme of Ghost Island itself was okay, but the abundance of idols and advantages was pretty stupid but never amounted to much anyway.

Still, enough was going on, I wasn't completely bored. There were a few genuinely entertaining and endearing characters that I'd be happy to see return. However, the season was pretty much a damp squib. My favourite episode was probably Morgan's boot or Kellyn's boot, but Chris' presence was the main thing I enjoyed about this season.

cast ranking:

Chris (definitely the most enjoyable person from this season and someone I hope gets to play again. Naturally charismatic and engaging, although he lacks self-awareness, it makes him even more perfect to watch.)
Angela (aside from the tattle-tailing of Sebastian's extra vote, Angela was pretty iconic. Like I've previously said, it's like someone went back in time and took someone who was supposed to play old-school Survivor and randomly plonked her onto an island to play modern-day Survivor.)
Kellyn (wasn't sure on Kellyn to begin with, but she ended up being genuinely endearing and sweet. Her superfan tendencies were actually enjoyable and weren't obnoxious or pompous as we've seen from other superfans.)
Donathan (came through at the last hour. His crusade against his boring alliance members was great and he deserves to come back purely for that. Even if it is likely he'll share the same season with Domenick again.)
Desiree (very nearly was green, but wasn't shown enough to justify it. She seemed like a cool person and was hilarious in her boot ep. Points for single-handedly wanting to take Dom/Wendell out.)
Jenna (excellent for resting-bitch face, kinda plain and ordinary for everything else. I love her purely for her reaction to getting voted out and just sitting there casually bemused during the other split tribal council.)
Sebastian (didn't know I needed to know what it was like to watch a stoner play Survivor. He would be higher if he hadn't stuck with Dom/Wendell for no apparent reason. God love him and his drunk huurt feelings at final tribal. His relationship with Jenna was cute, even if only exsisted for one ep.)
Bradley (great villain, but kinda annoying and genuinely unlikable at times. Would like to see him again, though. He obviously wasn't an awful, awful person.)
Chelsea (hard because she seems really likable, but she really didn't exist for the season. Can't say anything about her other than I liked her for the very little she was there.)
James (a bit boring but also perfectly likable. His reaction his blindside was memorable, lmao.)
Libby (did like her, but she was one of the many background characters who would've benefitted from a better edit.)
Jacob (fun for while he lasted, can't say I missed him, however.)
Stephanie (get the appeal, but thought she was over-edited for no reason. Don't see what makes her a super-special pre-juror.)
Morgan (orange territory. She would've tagged with Dom and Wendell to the end, so I'm glad she was voted off when she was. Slightly arrogant, dare I say.)
Domenick (scarily enough, there were times where I actually enjoyed Dom, but his treatment of Donathan was gross. The game-botting was boring and his desperation to make his feud with Chris into a big thing was too ego-centric for me.)
Laurel (boring doesn't even cut it. She's probably lovely, but she also ruined this season multiple times so she was destined to be here.)
Wendell (part of the deadly trifecta that killed this season. Something particularly irksome about him that bothered me. Tried too hard to be cool.)
Brendan (really terrible Andrew Savage vibes from him. Glad he left early.)
Gonzalez (remember her coming across really unlikable during her only episode and was glad she went so???)
Michael (oh god, soooooo annoying. a) there's genuinely, genuinely no need to lie about your age on Survivor. b) I only remember him finding one idol, yet was dubbed the idol king by everyone, which was irritating. c) every confessional was sleep-inducing. d) you're in position to let other jury members know who's desrving of making the final. e) pleeeeeease don't come back.)

[Braden]

Pearl Islands
Heroes vs Villains
Micronesia
Borneo
The Amazon
Vanuatu
Panama
China
Africa
Kaoh Rong
San Juan Del Sur
Marquesas
Cagayan
Palau
Australian Outback
Gabon
Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
Tocantins
Game Changers
Guatemala
All Stars
Nicaragua
Millennials vs. Gen X
South Pacific
Philippines
Worlds Apart
*GHOST ISLAND*
Blood vs Water
Fiji
One World
Cambodia
Caramoan
Thailand
Cook Islands
Samoa
Redemption Island

[Braden]

prelude: so episode 13 was actually good. I appreciate Donathan's neuroticism saving the tail-end of this season. I don't think anyone has self-destructed as badly as him during the end-game, but I'm thankful for his tirade against Domenick and Wendell. Simply because the way they treated him was super-crappy and obnoxious, and it definitely cemented my dislike for both of them. Other than that, it was actually a little sad to see Kellyn go. I grew to like her towards the end.

finale: was kinda basic and straightforward, aside from Donathan continuing his plan to carry out a war against (mainly) Domenick and (to a lesser extent) Wendell. Sea Bass suddenly joining Donathan in planning to get rid of—either Domenick or Wendell, I can't remember which one— was very fitting, considering this is the season of late opportunities. Donathan's attitude is just so hilarious to watch during tribal councils because he's obviously scared of being voted out, but is still trying to intimidate Domenick and Wendell by being as passive aggressive as possible, lmao.

It obviously felt right to have a Domenick, Laurel, Wendell final three, since the edit it made it painfully obvious. The split vote at final tribal council didn't excite me as much as I thought it would, probably because I already knew it was going to happen. Laurel ultimately voting for the winner was boring and made the live vote reveal extremely anti-climatic.

ghost island: so this season was definitely not great. I can see why it's panned on here. and watching on a week to week basis was probably painfully tedious. The cast was quite bland and there was an obvious supporting cast to cater for big characters who were either obnoxious over unnecessary, overblown CP. The theme of Ghost Island itself was okay, but the abundance of idols and advantages was pretty stupid but never amounted to much anyway.

Still, enough was going on, I wasn't completely bored. There were a few genuinely entertaining and endearing characters that I'd be happy to see return. However, the season was pretty much a damp squib. My favourite episode was probably Morgan's boot or Kellyn's boot, but Chris' presence was the main thing I enjoyed about this season.

cast ranking:

Chris (definitely the most enjoyable person from this season and someone I hope gets to play again. Naturally charismatic and engaging, although he lacks self-awareness, it makes him even more perfect to watch.)
Angela (aside from the tattle-tailing of Sebastian's extra vote, Angela was pretty iconic. Like I've previously said, it's like someone went back in time and took someone who was supposed to play old-school Survivor and randomly plonked her onto an island to play modern-day Survivor.)
Kellyn (wasn't sure on Kellyn to begin with, but she ended up being genuinely endearing and sweet. Her superfan tendencies were actually enjoyable and weren't obnoxious or pompous as we've seen from other superfans.)
Donathan (came through at the last hour. His crusade against his boring alliance members was great and he deserves to come back purely for that. Even if it is likely he'll share the same season with Domenick again.)
Desiree (very nearly was green, but wasn't shown enough to justify it. She seemed like a cool person and was hilarious in her boot ep. Points for single-handedly wanting to take Dom/Wendell out.)
Jenna (excellent for resting-bitch face, kinda plain and ordinary for everything else. I love her purely for her reaction to getting voted out and just sitting there casually bemused during the other split tribal council.)
Sebastian (didn't know I needed to know what it was like to watch a stoner play Survivor. He would be higher if he hadn't stuck with Dom/Wendell for no apparent reason. God love him and his drunk huurt feelings at final tribal. His relationship with Jenna was cute, even if only exsisted for one ep.)
Bradley (great villain, but kinda annoying and genuinely unlikable at times. Would like to see him again, though. He obviously wasn't an awful, awful person.)
Chelsea (hard because she seems really likable, but she really didn't exist for the season. Can't say anything about her other than I liked her for the very little she was there.)
James (a bit boring but also perfectly likable. His reaction his blindside was memorable, lmao.)
Libby (did like her, but she was one of the many background characters who would've benefitted from a better edit.)
Jacob (fun for while he lasted, can't say I missed him, however.)
Stephanie (get the appeal, but thought she was over-edited for no reason. Don't see what makes her a super-special pre-juror.)
Morgan (orange territory. She would've tagged with Dom and Wendell to the end, so I'm glad she was voted off when she was. Slightly arrogant, dare I say.)
Domenick (scarily enough, there were times where I actually enjoyed Dom, but his treatment of Donathan was gross. The game-botting was boring and his desperation to make his feud with Chris into a big thing was too ego-centric for me.)
Laurel (boring doesn't even cut it. She's probably lovely, but she also ruined this season multiple times so she was destined to be here.)
Wendell (part of the deadly trifecta that killed this season. Something particularly irksome about him that bothered me. Tried too hard to be cool.)
Brendan (really terrible Andrew Savage vibes from him. Glad he left early.)
Gonzalez (remember her coming across really unlikable during her only episode and was glad she went so???)
Michael (oh god, soooooo annoying. a) there's genuinely, genuinely no need to lie about your age on Survivor. b) I only remember him finding one idol, yet was dubbed the idol king by everyone, which was irritating. c) every confessional was sleep-inducing. d) you're in position to let other jury members know who's desrving of making the final. e) pleeeeeease don't come back.)

Pearl Islands
Heroes vs Villains
Micronesia
Borneo
The Amazon
Vanuatu
Panama
China
Africa
Kaoh Rong
San Juan Del Sur
Marquesas
Cagayan
Palau
Australian Outback
Gabon
Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
Tocantins
Game Changers
Guatemala
All Stars
Nicaragua
Millennials vs. Gen X
South Pacific
Philippines
Worlds Apart
*GHOST ISLAND*
Blood vs Water
Fiji
One World
Cambodia
Caramoan
Thailand
Cook Islands
Samoa
Redemption Island

Quoting these for the new page.

Onto David vs Golaith now :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Watched Episode 5 of Nicaragua and it was fine. The editing is all over the place and it's really holding the season back for me. Like, yes it's definitely underrated by all the casuals who somehow think it's the worst season of anything ever, but there are still so many Survivor seasons that are better!

With a tribe swap, Reward Challenge, *AND* Immunity Challenge all in this episode there wasn't really that much time for new developments. La Flor was ignored almost altogether other than one camp life scene where Marty was OTTN for being slimy and dumb :love: Espada got a lot more focus since they went to TC but even then it was just like "NaOnka can't handle the rain!" and "Tyrone is randomly turning into the OTTN tribe leader who lectures everyone about the Espada Way of Life and eats too much chicken" and it was just kinda out of nowhere and out of his character. I know the season picks up and it's definitely not bad by any means, but as of right now it's like..... slightly above the median for me?

[TomC]

Vanuatu's men are so scummy :skull:

Rory is a bloody sociopath, Sarg is a sexist pig, Chad is dull af, and Chris is just...ugh.

John K for king of vanuatu

Scout, Twila, Eliza, Lisa, Julie :love:

[TomC]

the pig challenge :skull:

[Moniqua]

Mia Galeotalanza :love:

[TomC]

Mia Galeotalanza :love:

her too

we were robbed of the mia/twila feud

[Moniqua]

her too

we were robbed of the mia/twila feud

did you not like our Ami?

[TomC]

did you not like our Ami?

i do like ha but probably not as much as most do

[TomC]

re-watches are so fun, mess john has been slated in the first 2 mins for how lazy he is in camp on his boot episode

[TomC]

rory is so awful :skull:

one minute he is thanking god that the women (very kindly) kept him over lisa and the next he's cussing at ami bc he thinks he's next to go

[TomC]

ugh Vanuatu is SO fascinating.

just seen rory's blindside. twila's dilemma is very reminiscent of kelly's in borneo. the game already feels so raw and personal and i'm so excited to see how it progresses towards the epic ftc.

[TomC]

lol ami is so rude to/about scout.

scout is such a sweet old lady :love:

[TomC]

eliza should have just forced a rock draw at f6 in vanuatu

[TomC]

twila: 'you've been had! screw you!' :love:

[TomC]

which season should i watch wehn i finish vanuatu? it's kind of between amazon, palau and guatamala... i feel i didn't really give amazon enough of a chance on first-watch... i've also kinda heard that palau doesn't hold up as well on re-watch...

[Macie Lightfoot]

Amazon is ESSENTIAL, it's the BBUK6 of Survivor. And yes, Palau loses a lot of its appeal when you know that Ulong never gets it together.

[JerseyWins]

Well Palau was never even that good to me on first watch :laugh:

But StepheME :love: (credit to Macie for that one)

[JerseyWins]

And Bobby Jon too :clap1:

[TomC]

ugh vanuatu ftc is sooo good :love: vanuatu is such a uniquely emotional and personal season... when twila breaks down at ftc after her thrashing </3 Also her saying her guard is always up bc she's always felt like she had to defend herself </3 She was an absolute cow at points but i feel like she has an incredible arc. Chris is also a fun winner to watch. His game is incredibly passive until F7, and from there he continually steps it up with each episode; he was very lucky to win considering how he treated Julie and Eliza tbh...

Anyway, Amazon next. I'm excited to relive the heidi stroebel experience! Honestly though, I'm excited to ~analyse~ Amazon, as I really do feel it set a new precedent for the game for basiccally the next ten seasons.

[DouglasS]

Amazon is one of the best imo. Just let down by a terrible winner.

[TomC]

Amazon is one of the best imo. Just let down by a terrible winner.

Yeah I don't remember liking her at all. Very boring and slightly mean-spirited.

[TomC]

Amazon premiere was a fun time. Apart from the sexism! The guys getting their asses whooped was awesome

[JerseyWins]

The Amazon premiere was so good and funny :joker: Great top tier season all-around!

[TomC]

Alex standing up to Roger :love:

Mess @ JoAnna thinking the idol is irreligious

[TomC]

JoAnna is so rude to Christy :skull:

[TomC]

Christy is annoying, but the Jaburu girls are so ignorant and half-arsed towards her.

[Braden]

Christy NEEDS to return for a future season, however unlikely that chance is.

[Headie]

JoAnna is so rude to Christy :skull:

Legend Jo

[Ashley.]

How I look at the ballots when I'm trying to guess who the contestant voted for based on the movement of the pen:

https://i.imgur.com/XXrIA3D.gif

[Macie Lightfoot]

I feel like this gets underdiscussed re: Joanna

RNO: What is your side of the situation which caused you to go off on Christy the way you did, to the point of sticking your hand in her face when you knew that the only way she could understand you was to read your lips?

JoAnna: As far a Christy goes, she was a thorn in my flesh. Christy was very vocal about her disagreement of my not wanting to touch the idol. She also held me personally responsible for the girls isolating her from the tribe... If you were listening to what I was saying, in addition to what I was doing, you would have understood from the episode – but then of course this would mean you actually wanted to understand??? –anyhow, there were several occasions that I was talking to Jeanne and Christy came and stuck her entire face between us and right in my face. My solution to this problem was to invite her face out of mine with my hand. The clip you see, the issue is being laid on the table because Christy is still talking about the idol, my stupidity (as if) and me putting my hand in her face. Outdone, I finally approached her and I reminded her that we agreed that she was going to let it go. It amazes me that you never see Christy harassing me????? But I guess it wouldn't have mattered because it would have been OK because she fell into a minority with her hearing – well I fell into several minorities – Christian, Strong, only single-parent, the sudden death of my mother DOROTHY VASSELL, but there was no pity for me – oh I forgot – I don't need pity. By the way did you notice above all else that Christy did not vote against me after I allegedly "went off on her." Makes you wonder??? Nobody voted against me at all that episode??? Then, when the did vote me off, I wasn't because of my faith, going off on people, mean, or rude??? Hmmm... I was just too strong… SPIRITUALLY, MENTALLY, and PHYSICALLY. Or maybe they just lied on national TV and said that I was just plain better – it amazes me how others try to formulate so many other reasons – I am a Mighty Woman of God. Come correct or don't come at all. It is hard to argue with absolute truth supported by evidence. Try something else – next. [RNO Note: While we obviously weren’t there, it does seem that perhaps Christy might have needed to “stick her face” in as reading lips is the only way she can understand what others are saying.]

RNO: We have seen Heidi and the other younger women talking to the cameras about being cute and all that – did they say something out in the open that caused you to lecture the younger women on beauty being only skin deep?

JoAnna: No, I had no idea they imagined somewhere in their finite minds that they could hold a candle to me in a pitch black dark room. I had no idea we were competing against each other in a beauty contest – if so then let the games begin.

[TomC]

ugh I really don't like jenna

[TomC]

Christy is more annoying than I remembered, but her and Butch are so sweet :love: It's nice to see after Jenna was such a bitch to her.

Deena is hilaaarious. Her scalping Jeanne :love: (Although I actually really like Jeanne). I love the interaction between these corporate women in the Amazon.

[TomC]

Deena's confessionals are amazing

[TomC]

Episode 7 of Amazon is GLORIOUS.

It's rare that you know for most of the episode who's going home, and far rarer that it is a good episode, but watching Roger's complicity, and then the girls cackling at how stupid Roger, Dave etc are is just amazing :love:

Half-way rankings:
Deena
Heidi
Matthew
Rob
Christy
Butch
Alex
Jenna
Dave

Jeanne
Joanna
Shawna
Daniel
Janet
Ryan
Roger

[Macie Lightfoot]

Finally watched episode 6 of Nicaragua and it was one of the best ones yet? Or maybe it's just bc I haven't watched in a few weeks, idk! It was the double boot and it was good at getting some forward plot movement.

Espada was all about ~Yve's Last Stand~ and I hate to sound basic but I think I mildly stan her? She's painfully UTR but had some funny quotes about how WINNER'S CARRY GOLD in the premiere along with I *NEVER* ASK A WOMAN HER AGE :smug: and her boot episode was her #breakout where she campaigned to everyone by being all "I was *not* aligned with Tyrone! But I am super close with Marty and Jane and Jill so you should keep me until the merge so I can put in a good word for you ;)" and then using the entire TC as an opportunity to get on a soapbox and bash Dan for being lazy and a complainer and a liability :love: Needless to say she was not even remotely successful and went home unanimously :( The secret scene for this episode also consisted of her doing yoga on the beach while NaOnka just sat off in a distance and laughed at how she looked like a dumbass :shocked::joker:

La Flor was a lot more dynamic bc you had the whole Brenda/Marty rivalry heating up and I don't really care for either of them! I've already documented my Marty dislike and this episode just consisted of him pretending to be A GRANDMASTER AT CHESS and then patting himself on the back for pulling the wool over ****ing Fabio's eyes of all people. Brenda though..... I've said it before but she's just kinda lifeless and inert? Like she's kinda like Noirin in BBUK10 where she takes on a bigger role than she's actually capable of taking and she just doesn't have enough charisma to pull it off. I know people fan over her being a ~femme fatale~ but it was toootally just people looking for the next Parvati since this was right after HvV. Just about every Brenda confessional is some variation of "I'm in such a good spot, people just want to align with me and I'm not even doing anything" but she says it in the most monotone voice that I don't care!

There was a bit of a Brenda/Marty smackdown at TC and that's the one thing that I will give Brenda credit for so far bc she's not holding back (oh at all!) when it comes to speaking the truth about Marty being a shady used car salesman, but then she took it a step further about Marty throwing Jane's name out there and the edit didn't really show any of that so I don't know if it was true or if it was just Brenda trying to run him over even more, which if that's the case it's kinda stupid bc his fate is already sealed? IDK, the jury's still out.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Oh, and as boring as she is I *do* need to show a little bit of love for Kelly B, someone who I don't really care about but feel incredibly bad for. She's definitely the most well-adjusted person in the entire cast of Nicaragua and that's part of the reason that she made boring TV, but my god she was sooooooo out of her element here. I don't know how well she would do in Survivor under any normal circumstances because she didn't even show much potential As A Gamer, but man she was screwed from the start when she was put on a tribe full of egomaniacs, narcissists, and rude assholes who were extremely self-centered. Can you even imagine having to somehow share a beach with Brenda, NaOnka, Sash, Chase, Jud, Alina, and Shannon??? The tribe swap didn't even do her any good bc the only two people who pretended to tolerate her were Benry and Alina and they were on the other tribe. I always felt bad for Kelly B just because she has a prosthetic leg and NaOnka really did great her remarkably terribly, but then I really felt bad watching this episode's secret scene where Kelly B nearly gets her finger taken off by a crab and she's screaming at the top of her lungs and the only people who even try to help her are Jill and Marty :joker: Sash and Jud eventually make their way over but Brenda and Kelly S don't even get out of the shelter to check on her :skull::joker:

[Headie]

Ddd whenever I think of Kelly B I just think of this moment:

J7RUyEVsj8M

[Macie Lightfoot]

Episode 7 finishes off the pre-merge and it was okay! It's a memorable episode bc the Reward Challenge is one of my faves with Jud peeing in the pool (:skull:), Dan not even being able to jump off of a platform (:joker:), and Kelly's infamous milk your own milk confessional (:love:) so that was good and fun.

The rest of the episode.... it was fine! Espada was just randomly about NaOnka thinking Alina's sneaky and grimy (I mean she kinda is but NaOnka is also kind of an awful cow) and then La Flor was just about whether Mr. Farty or Jill was going hobe. I think I'm realizing that my issue with Nicaragua is that as messy and crazy as the cast is, there's nobody who I really like that much? I do enjoy a few of the side characters like Dan and Holly, who isn't a side character but isn't exactly a major character in the pre-merge either. The entire pre-merge centers around like... Marty, Brenda, and NaOnka and I think I already documented my issues with all of them. Nu La Flor in particular is a bit of a tough tribe for me to even pretend to care about because the episode pretty much entirely focused on Brenda, Sash, Jill, and Marty and they all kind of suck. Marty's one of those awful David Murphy/Jim Rice gamebots who takes himself way too seriously and the show also takes him seriously for some reason, Jill is decently perceptive but doesn't seem to give a **** about ever improving her own position in the game, Brenda has an unfounded level of arrogance for no particular reason and is kinda boring about it, and Sash is equally arrogant (if you gave me a transcript of Sash's "I don't even have to look for idols, people just give them to me ;D" confessional I genuinely would not be able to tell if Sash or Brenda had said it) but entirely insincere and I doubt he's capable of expressing any human emotion. I'm pretty sure my favorite on Nu La Flor is Purple Kelly so just let that sink in.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The merge episode of Nicaragua was definitely Good! One good thing that Nicaragua has going for it is that it tends to do a pretty good job at tying up loose storylines in a person's boot episode, and this time around it was all about Alina, someone whose presence is mystifyingly irritating but it makes me like her? The show never really does a good job at showing or explaining why everyone is annoyed by her, but pretty much everyone can't stand her and it's kinda believable that she's transparent and smarmy and That Girl. She's not nearly as transparent as Sash is, but for some inexplicable reason he has much more currency in the game than she ever did. Case and point being the moment when NaOnka throws a temper tantrum and hides a bunch of food and cooking utensils, Alina accidentally stumbles upon it and eats an orange upon NaOnka's suggestion to calm her nerves, and then the entire tribe uses it as an opportunity to make Alina the scapegoat and have a tangible reason to get rid of her :joker: And then she aimlessly pleaded her case to everybody to the point where Fabio of all people gave his best attempt at a "let death take you speech," which the secret scene shows that it was basically him saying that she's screwed because nobody likes her and everyone can see right through her when she smiles at them :joker: It's a more intense dogpile than the entire La Flor tribe ganging up on Kelly B, but it's also more enjoyable because there's a lot less ableism and a lot more humor. Alina's entire final words were her complaining about how everyone made a bunch of STUPID MOVES by sending her home and Chase is retarded for screwing her game up as early as the Shannon vote because he apparently should've voted for Brenda. Sure, Jan...

But even with all of that being said, my favorite part of the episode was any Jane moment because oh my god I forgot just how much she ****ing hates Marty's guts. She spends the entire episode talking **** about him, lasting as long as she can in the Immunity Challenge just to beat him, holding a women's huddle and telling them all that her only goal was to beat Marty, and then trying to strong-arm the entire tribe into voting out Marty just because he crossed her :love: I remember being so love-hate with Jane when I watched live but I think I'm going to enjoy her a lot more because she's such a moralizing shrew to a comical degree. Like, her entire moral compass really comes down to "being nice to Jane = good person" and "being mean to Jane = bad person" and she takes it to absurd levels.

Shoutout to my favorite exchange of the episode:

Sash, awkwardly leaning into NaOnka's ear: You're my number one girl here... :)
NaOnka: Oh... ditto.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Episode 9 was fine if only because it got rid of Mr. Farty final-****ing-ly. I'm currently listening to his Ponderosa while listening to his posture about how his plan to flush out NaOnka's HII and blindside Jane was *PERFECT* and if he was able to pull it off then he for sure would've been in the final three :rolleyes: Jane was hilarious this episode with her constant screeds that were literally about good triumphing evil and how Marty is a disgrace to all fathers out there and she would *never* let her kids go on a play date with his kids :love: NaOnka was also a star in the best way at TC by telling Marty that his hair and his walk SUCK and she hates him and telling both him and Fabio to **** themselves :joker: this is the NaOnka I can get behind.

The star of the episode though was CHASE, someone who I always thought was a bit overrated but he's been decently compelling so far? Always managing to stumble into the swing power position and pissing off everyone in the process, he's so earnest but he can never win :love: this time it was because he had to place a bet on the boys or girls to win the highly physical Reward Challenge and he chose the girls just so he could stay in the good graces of Jane, Holly, and Brenda. Not only did the girls lose, but the guys and the girls spent the entire episode talking about how he's a people-pleasing moron whose strategy sucks :joker: this all climaxed with him constantly bothering Brenda by saying "YOU SEEM REALLY UNSURE ABOUT EVERYTHING :)" after NaOnka coached him to not bother her :love: at least he had great intentions?

[TomC]

loving the commentary on Nicaragua macie!

[TomC]

Okay so Amazon is probably the most game-changing season of Survivor? And a lot of the credit for that has to go to Rob, and also Deena to an extent. Rob flipping on Alex so... flippantly... was totally unheard of up to this point. The post-merge has been so fluid, and it truly was an evolution of the game. Does anyone know if Rob was popular as Amazon was airing? Bc I'm sure he would have been completely villainised in the first few seasons.

I must say, the misogyny is TERRIBLE. In the truths challenge, Jeff asks Jenna about her using her sexuality to get her way with men, which she outright denies, and then he said 'and you say that with an adorable smile... see, it works!', and he continues to mention it throughout the challenge despite the denial. It made me feel so dirty. :skull:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Brenda's boot episode was pretty awesome, I must say. It had a similar literary build up to Rupert's boot in Pearl Islands, albeit on a much smaller scale, and it actually affected the tribal dynamics greatly unlike the Marty boot, which was very straightforward even in spite of the show placing Marty on some absurdly high pedestal. Holly got the ball rolling and then NaOnka just spread it like wildfire and then it got to the point where the entire tribe was on board except for Purple Kelly :love: The episode in isolation is a great one, but there still are some gripes I have with how the editing of previous episodes affected where we're at right now. First of all, a lot of Brenda's "black widow" power was told to us rather than shown, which makes me wonder how legitimate it was? I know Brenda talked a little bit earlier on about how people just want to align with her even when she doesn't do anything to approach the matter, so I'm going to assume that her rise to power was really just by circumstance but the edit didn't make it fully clear. The random Chase/Benry UTR distrust is another minor B-plot of the episode that was spontaneously presented to us without any background. I know that back when they swapped tribes there was one confessional when Chase was debating between getting rid of Dan or Yve where he mentioned that he's a little worried that Benry could link up with Dan to get rid of him, and at the time it seemed like a random concern since he and Benry never had any televised interactions at all. I guess we got a continuation of that "storyline" because Chase was laser-focused on getting Benry out for reasons that I don't really understand. It ultimately didn't take anything away from the episode, but I wish we had more insight into Chase's motivations. There's a lot of talk all season about how Chase just wants to get in Brenda's pants and will do whatever she says, but I don't think that's entirely true since their relationship peaked in like... episode 2. We did hear Chase talk about how their relationship really disintegrated through the tribe swap, but we never get any insight as to what Chase's end goal in the game is other than the fact that he's playing with his heart rather than his head.

Brenda wasn't even in the episode that much herself, but her exit was just so perfect by her standards. I just find it so fitting that someone who stumbled into a power position possibly on accident ended up going out in such a lackluster way. One of her closest allies leads the charge to blindside her, she catches wind and gets very bitter about it, but then she ultimately does nothing to help herself. I could at least understand her point during her confessional about how people are much more willing to work with you if you remain calm rather than freak out, especially since that's the exact behavior that has been taking Chase's game, but then she lost me when Jeff goaded her into her speech at TC about how scrambling's not her style and she's above it because if you're scrambling then you're already screwed. Holly's voting confessional was perfect as usual: "You just thought things were gonna come too easy to you. You should've scrambled." It was just a really lame exit that proves that Brenda's not that good of a player because it was her first moment of adversity all game and she just crumbled (I don't count the first La Flor vote because even though Brenda was a target, she didn't really have to work that hard because she already had four or five of the ten votes and Shannon's outburst at TC swung more votes in her favor.)

Last paragraph I promise, but I just need to talk about my favorite Jane moment of the episode, which is where she declares that she doesn't associate herself with villains in real life or in this game and Brenda's become a villain so she has to go. Jane's voting confessional isn't aired in the episode but it's in the DVD special features and it's Jane going on a diatribe about how Brenda is trying to bust up original alliances between her and her Carolina homeboy Chase and that ain't going to work. This is hilarious when you remember hat Jane and Chase met for the first time on Day 19 while Brenda and Chase were on the same original tribe on Day 1 :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I actually have very little to say about the double quit episode! It was a very unique episode and it kept me engaged, but it was largely straightforward. There wasn't much strategy talk, nobody was CP on my edgic chart, and aside from a little bit of alliance talk in the first ~10 minutes, the episode was entirely about what the show is about in its essence: survival. We learned that NaOnka is anemic and her bones hurt, we hear more about how her and Purple Kelly can't stand the rain ('gainst my window), and they ultimately quit.

I guess the most interesting aspect is how the quits are portrayed differently. I wouldn't say that we were exactly supposed to sympathize with Kelly, but the editors definitely gave us the opportunity to hear where she's coming from and at least understand her rationale. NaOnka, on the other hand, received a beautiful hatchet job of an edit. I had forgotten all about the debacle where she announces her quit after winning the Reward Challenge, Probst offering tarp and rice if someone forgoes the Reward, and then Holly volunteering and shooting NaOnka the most menacing and guilt-inducing mother stare imaginable. We even had Benry whispering to NaOnka about how she should be the one to give up Reward since she is going to leave the game by sundown, but in typical NaOnka fashion she gloats in the confessional about how she ain't no fool and she wasn't gonna give up the Reward she worked so hard for because she wants to go out in a bang.

I might actually have more thoughts when I watch Ponderosa because the Jury's reactions were something else. Shoutout to Alina, who was literally driven to tears by the double quit :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

"Ever have one of those days where everything goes wrong? Welcome to Sash's world!"

*Sash was UTR1 last episode*

[reece(:]

I couldn’t think of a better New Years then seeing Na’Onka Mixon furiously quit Survivor whew!

[TomC]

christy's final words were a scream

[TomC]

Matthew von Ertfelda is a sexy serial killer

[TomC]

jc i love heidi stroebel. "i've been the mastermind behind half the plots in this game"... "these three guys are terrified of sitting next to me at the end and that really says something" :flutter:

Despite my adoration for Heidi Stroebel... I really wanted to LOVE Amazon, but it just hasn't happened (again). Like, every episode is fairly eventful in Season 6, and i LOVE Heidi, and I like Matthew and Rob, but all-round I just find the cast of Amazon fairly unlikeable all-round, and that's pretty important for my enjoyment of a season

[TomC]

ugh matt was so sexy at the reunion :drool: I must say I was v impressed with jenna's ftc performance. no wonder she thrashed matt in the vote... i always foudn it hard to reason w how jenna beat matt so comprehensively bc jenna isn't exactly overwhelmingly likeable - but then i gather neither was matt to the jury, and between that and the ftc performances, the result makes sense.

Anyhoo, here's my feelings on amazon...i like it, but I feel as though I don't like it as much as I should?

I adore Heidi, and I really like Matthew. But I'm really not a fan of Jenna and so knowing she wins is rough. I like Rob too but his personality can be somewhat grating.

Obviously the misogyny (and in one part, homophobia) are really not fun to watch, and the only strong feminist character is Deena, but she never really succeeds at owning the game in the end.

I just feel, despite there being plenty happening in Amazon, and the season being a major strategic evolution, there is an overwhelming lack of warmth coming from the cast... which makes it hard to find someone to root for, and therefore somewhat more difficult to enjoy.

I'm pretty content w my ranking of Amazon among the first 35 seasons.. i think i put it 19th? Overall it's certainly v entertaining and lots of iconic moments but the cast just don't resonate w me for me to love the season.

Heidi
Deena
Matt
Jeanne
Rob
Christy
Jenna
JoAnna
Alex
Daniel
Butch
Shawna
Janet
Ryan
Dave
Roger

[TomC]

Christy
Heidi
Matthew
Rob
Jeanne
Deena
Jenna
Shawna
Alex
Joanna
Daniel
Janet
Butch
Ryan
Dave
Roger


Heidi
Deena
Matt
Jeanne
Rob
Christy
Jenna
JoAnna
Alex
Daniel
Butch
Shawna
Janet
Ryan
Dave
Roger

Very similar rankings between now and September 2016. The only big change is that i just didn't care for Christy much this time? And I think she was oen of my favourite things about Amazon on first watch so that's a change.

[TomC]

i might watch pearl islands next :think:

I mean I never finished AO and Africa but honestly their endgames are both pretty dull lol.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Jesus 19 is sooooooo low for Amazon. It's really the BBUK6 equivalent and the cast is SO charmingly sleazy, and the show doesn't try to hide it at all. Everyone is so petty and deranged and cutthroat and their conflict resolution skills are largely HORRIBLE :love: Everyone plays their part: Christy's the self-righteous victim, Joanna's the absurd religious freak, Jenna's the vapid sorority girl, Heidi's the dumb blonde, Shawna's the weakling who isn't even remotely cut out for Survivor, Denna's the power-hungry butch misandrist, Dave's the dumb rocket scientist, Roger's the curmudgeon old man, Matthew's the future serial killer, Rob is the dorky home-dweller, etc. It's the gift that keeps on giving <3

[TomC]

I totally get what ur saying and honestly I wanted t like it bc of what you’ve said but I just find the cast pretty unlike able :worry:

[Braden]

Very similar rankings between now and September 2016. The only big change is that i just didn't care for Christy much this time? And I think she was oen of my favourite things about Amazon on first watch so that's a change.

Well, I've just stopped caring about you!

[TomC]

Well, I've just stopped caring about you!

I stopped caring about you when you enjoyed GI and still haven’t watched DvG!

[Braden]

I stopped caring about you when you enjoyed GI and still haven’t watched DvG!

It was actually like digging for gold with a spoon but you might find bits and pieces eventually. I've watched the first two episodes of DvG but felt like I needed more of a break between binging on two seasons of Survivor, lmao.

[Ashley.]

On the fourth episode of Cook Islands, and Aitu saving the bird's nest. :love: I usually wait until after I've watched a season to post here so I don't get spoiled but I had to say that's probably one of my favourite scenes of the entire show. :laugh:

I'm actually really enjoying this season and I adore this cast, more than any season I've watched thus far - not sure what the general perception is but I think it'll definitely be up there for me once I've seen the whole thing.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Cook Islands is...... not very good at all lol.

[TomC]

On the fourth episode of Cook Islands, and Aitu saving the bird's nest. :love: I usually wait until after I've watched a season to post here so I don't get spoiled but I had to say that's probably one of my favourite scenes of the entire show. :laugh:

I'm actually really enjoying this season and I adore this cast, more than any season I've watched thus far - not sure what the general perception is but I think it'll definitely be up there for me once I've seen the whole thing.

Yeah CI is not popular and rightly so IMO. It’s deffo in the bottom 3 of the first 13 seasons for me.

Who are your faves?

[Ashley.]

Cook Islands is...... not very good at all lol.

Yeah CI is not popular and rightly so IMO. It’s deffo in the bottom 3 of the first 13 seasons for me.

Who are your faves?

Oh dear. :laugh:

Becky, Yul, Jonathan, Nate & Rebecca stand out for me at the moment.

[TomC]

Oh dear. :laugh:

Becky, Yul, Jonathan, Nate & Rebecca stand out for me at the moment.

Tbf I liked most of those too... Rebecca is totally unmemorable for me

Half the problem w me for CI is that... does anyone else in the cast inspire any emotion in you, positive or negative? :laugh:

It surprises me it’s the cast that you’re praising CI for :laugh: I don’t wish to rain on your parade though!

[TomC]

i'm only 2 mins into PI and this season is just so effortlessly iconic :love:

[TomC]

wait fairplay is an 'art consultant'? lol it's incredibly hard to imagine him having a job

[TomC]

the PI male cast is definitely the tidiest of any survivor season.

i would **** all of them apart from rupert and fairplay

[TomC]

rupert giving away the morgan tribes' shoes in exchange for camp items is a scream

[Ashley.]

Tbf I liked most of those too... Rebecca is totally unmemorable for me

Half the problem w me for CI is that... does anyone else in the cast inspire any emotion in you, positive or negative? :laugh:

It surprises me it’s the cast that you’re praising CI for :laugh: I don’t wish to rain on your parade though!

It's definitely a lot tamer than previous seasons, I can't see much happening in the way of drama/power switches - and if every season was like this I'd think the show was utterly boring - but it's quite refreshing to have a 100% likeable cast? I don't know, my opinion may change as the season goes on but as it stands, I'm feeling fairly positive. :laugh:

Edit: Oh I meant Sundra, not Rebecca. :laugh:

[TomC]

It's definitely a lot tamer than previous seasons, I can't see much happening in the way of drama/power switches - and if every season was like this I'd think the show was utterly boring - but it's quite refreshing to have a 100% likeable cast? I don't know, my opinion may change as the season goes on but as it stands, I'm feeling fairly positive. :laugh:

Edit: Oh I meant Sundra, not Rebecca. :laugh:

mess i couldn't tell the difference between them for the first few eps :skull:

but yeah i think sundra > rebecca, but both are extremely forgettable

[Macie Lightfoot]

the PI male cast is definitely the tidiest of any survivor season.

i would **** all of them apart from rupert and fairplay

I ****ing hate Andrew Savage but I'll give him credit for 10 year old Troy's sexual awakening and kickstarting my Thing for daddies.

[TomC]

I ****ing hate Andrew Savage but I'll give him credit for 10 year old Troy's sexual awakening and kickstarting my Thing for daddies.

the fact he still had it 24 seasons later :drool:

[JerseyWins]

1) Yeah Cook Islands is one of the most boring seasons :joker: Way too much filler in the cast, and a few annoyances.

2) I can't @ Andrew Savage

[Macie Lightfoot]

Benry's boot episode of Nicaragua was watchable but nothing special. A bit too strategy-driven for me and there weren't really any character moments that made it worthwhile, it was just all about both alliances fighting for Sash even though they don't trust him anyway :love: Here are my things of note

-Chase continues to be a bumbling idiot in the best way. He made an unnecessary promise to Sash that he'll bring him on a Reward, and then immediately breaks it by bringing Jane instead? He came to immediately regret it since he left Sash behind with Benry, Jud, and Dan, the exact alliance that is trying to stake claim to Sash :love:
-When Chase tried to smooth things over with Sash after the Reward, Sash was soooooo insincere about how it was all okay, only to immediately ask Chase to swear on his mother and on his dead father to take him to the F3 or F2 :skull: thankfully Chase was just like "uh no I'm not swearing on my dad." Sash was equally insincere with Jane right before TC, repeatedly calling her his second mother and saying that he could never betray his mother or his second mother. I wish that Sash just had a more well-crafted edit because he could really be a worthwhile character. He's so earnestly smarmy and everything he says just DRIPS of insincerity and it's hilariously unsettling. I could imagine what it would be like to take a walk with Sash to the watering hole and have him transparently talk strategy at you, and then wink at you while smiling like the Cheshire Cat. It's so off-putting through television and I imagine it's even worse in real life.
-In the latest of Jane's lovable hypocrisies, she came back from Reward SOBBING when she found out that the dudes killed Kelly-Nay the chicken and then proceeded to hold a funeral with a gravesite and cross akin to Jane's pet cemetery in Thailand. This is amusing when you remember how irate Jane was when losing the last Reward Challenge. Someone, I think Sash?, asked if they should ask the winning team if they could eat a chicken that night and Jane just angrily grunts "WHO CARES?!?!?! THEY'RE EATING TONIGHT ANYWAY!!!!!!!!"

Edit: WAIT this Jane thing is even more hilarious because the secret scene for the episode is her stealing one of Kelly-Nay's eggs in the middle of the night and attempting to cook it. She justifies it by asserting that she feeds the chicken part of her rice and she's the only person who feeds the chicken, so therefore Jane is entirely responsible for the chicken laying eggs and thus she is entitled to eating an entire egg all for herself. Benry woke up in the middle of the night and did his best Sherlock Holmes to find out what Jane was up to but couldn't quite get his finger on the pulse :joker:

[TomC]

Sandra was ****ing hilarious taking Morgan's tarp :laugh: Savage is already such a douche, and Osten was a bit of a jerk in Episode 1, as Nicole said, so it's fun seeing them suffer. Osten has already mentioned he wants to quit... and people on Reddit make excuses for him, saying he had a staph infection but like, it's only Day 4 lol.

[TomC]

-In the latest of Jane's lovable hypocrisies, she came back from Reward SOBBING when she found out that the dudes killed Kelly-Nay the chicken and then proceeded to hold a funeral with a gravesite and cross akin to Jane's pet cemetery in Thailand. This is amusing when you remember how irate Jane was when losing the last Reward Challenge. Someone, I think Sash?, asked if they should ask the winning team if they could eat a chicken that night and Jane just angrily grunts "WHO CARES?!?!?! THEY'RE EATING TONIGHT ANYWAY!!!!!!!!"

Edit: WAIT this Jane thing is even more hilarious because the secret scene for the episode is her stealing one of Kelly-Nay's eggs in the middle of the night and attempting to cook it. She justifies it by asserting that she feeds the chicken part of her rice and she's the only person who feeds the chicken, so therefore Jane is entirely responsible for the chicken laying eggs and thus she is entitled to eating an entire egg all for herself. Benry woke up in the middle of the night and did his best Sherlock Holmes to find out what Jane was up to but couldn't quite get his finger on the pulse :joker:

I loved Jane on my Nicaragua first watch, but like she seems like a total hag based on stories I've heard about her, and subtle stuff like this.

Also, I do remember she was a complete cow to Marty, but I kinda ignored that at the time.

[JerseyWins]

Jane was absolutely hilarious but yeah she did have some annoyances & hypocrisies & stuff like that which stopped me from full-on LOVING her. Quality Survivor character nonetheless :laugh:

[TomC]

Lil losing the fishing hook in her attempt to shine </3 Morgan is so hilarious bc on paper they are SO meant to be a successful tribe, but they are an absolute trainwreck.

Sandra screaming at Fairplay remains iconic :love:

[TomC]

Rupert trying to strategise w Michelle as she vomits and sad music plays is a scream

[TomC]

i really respect trish and fairplay tryna take a stab at rupert but man they executed it badly... they just assumed sandra was locked down and then waited to talk to shawn until the very last minute, but which time rupert had got him locked in

[TomC]

Shawn is the break-out star of my PI re-watch. Shawn is hot as ****

[TomC]

Andrew is such a twunt flexing the other tribe mates to promise to get rid of the Outcasts at the first opportunity. SO excited for his downfall

[Ashley.]

Finished Cook Islands.

I liked the season... the cast were individually rootable with a few exceptions, the underdogs and my four favourite contestants made it to the end, and it was interesting for the most part. It was mostly easy watching, in that there weren't too many gripping moments and there was a lot of predictability but it didn't bore me. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing my favourites and by far the most likeable contestants in the final.

I live for the season we get a woman dominating the immunity challenges, though.

Cast Ranking:
1. Ozzy
2. Yul
3. Becky
4. Sundra
5. Nate
6. Stephannie
7. J.P.
8. Cao Boi
9. Brad
10. Jonathan
11. Jenny
12. Rebecca
13. Candice
14. Cristina
15. Billy
16. Cecilia
17. Adam
18. Sekou
19. Jessica
20. Parvati

Season Ranking:
1. Panama
2. The Amazon
3. Borneo
4. Pearl Islands
5. Africa
6. Cook Islands
7. Australia
8. Guatemala
9. Marquesas
10. All-Stars
11. Palau
12. Vanuatu
13. Thailand

[JerseyWins]

Ozzy #1 :clap1:

[TomC]

Parvati last <\3

[JerseyWins]

Parvati last <\3
True & iiiiiiiiiiiidk about Yul & Becky in the top 3..... but at least Ozzy got his rightful spot :fan:

[TomC]

True & iiiiiiiiiiiidk about Yul & Becky in the top 3..... but at least Ozzy got his rightful spot :fan:

Tbh I didn’t like Parvati much in CI but to have her below horrendous Adam Gentry is wrong

[Ashley.]

Adam was way too much of a non-entity to be horrendous... I can't recall a single thing he said or did.

Yeah I'm aware Becky was a risky choice as a favourite but I can't help but feel as though she was overshadowed and highly underrated. And Yul admitting afterwards that he and Becky made every decision together (after the entire season's edit was centred around Yul calling the shots) just cemented her as exactly that. You could tell she was a smart player from the little airtime she got, so it's a shame she'll never be seen as all that memorable.

[TomC]

Adam was way too much of a non-entity to be horrendous... I can't recall a single thing he said or did.

Yeah I'm aware Becky was a risky choice as a favourite but I can't help but feel as though she was overshadowed and highly underrated. And Yul admitting afterwards that he and Becky made every decision together (after the entire season's edit was centred around Yul calling the shots) just cemented her as exactly that. You could tell she was a smart player from the little airtime she got, so it's a shame she'll never be seen as all that memorable.

Hmm I remember despising Adam but can’t remember why and I was hoping you’d be able to help me with that one :laugh:
I feel similarly about Becky. I was really excited for her at the start of my CI watch, as strong, intelligent Asian women are so underrepresented, but she was such a non-entity so I was kinda disappointed.

[TomC]

mess when burton and lil win the reward challenge, lil kisses burton on the lips and he screams 'QUIT DOING THAT LIL, COME ON MAN' :skull:

[JerseyWins]

mess when burton and lil win the reward challenge, lil kisses burton on the lips and he screams 'QUIT DOING THAT LIL, COME ON MAN' :skull:
I don't remember that but it sounds hilarious :laugh2:

[TomC]

I don't remember that but it sounds hilarious :laugh2:

it was very subtle but i screamed

[TomC]

we were robbed of an iconic tijuana/sandra alliance at F7 </3

[Macie Lightfoot]

Adam was way too much of a non-entity to be horrendous... I can't recall a single thing he said or did.

Yeah I'm aware Becky was a risky choice as a favourite but I can't help but feel as though she was overshadowed and highly underrated. And Yul admitting afterwards that he and Becky made every decision together (after the entire season's edit was centred around Yul calling the shots) just cemented her as exactly that. You could tell she was a smart player from the little airtime she got, so it's a shame she'll never be seen as all that memorable.

I haven't seen Cook Islands in 5ever but Yul's smug and humorless, and I'm pretty sure that there was one scene where Becky literally helped Yul count his potential jury votes so I refuse to believe that she was some secret mastermind who played a great game behind the scenes or something.

Honestly, one of my fave things about Cook Islands is the fact that Jenny clearly disliked Yul and Becky so much that she voted for Ozzy, someone she had never spent any time with on the island, to win :love:

[TomC]

I have no idea what made me like Lill the first time I saw PI. She's completely miserable, and seems like a nightmare to live with. She's like Carole Vincent but without the unintentional hilarity.

[TomC]

"He was liek swear on your kids. And then he said let me see your hands bc I guess he didn't want me to have my fingers crossed, how dumb is that? :laugh: So I said 'I swear on my kids' and mumbling under my breath I was like 'i swear on my kids that I'm going to screw you AND Burton'"

:love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I have no idea what made me like Lill the first time I saw PI. She's completely miserable, and seems like a nightmare to live with. She's like Carole Vincent but without the unintentional hilarity.

ummmm where's the Sandra "I don't know about thaaaaaaaat" .gif when you need one?

[TomC]

Sandra getting her revenge on Burton and Jon at the F5 <3

[TomC]

i really wanna watch guatemala next but then i think it's better to appreciate guatemala (specifically stephenie) watching it after palau :think:

[Ashley.]

I forgot to do a ranking after I watched PI but yeah, Sandra :love: etc.

I haven't seen Cook Islands in 5ever but Yul's smug and humorless, and I'm pretty sure that there was one scene where Becky literally helped Yul count his potential jury votes so I refuse to believe that she was some secret mastermind who played a great game behind the scenes or something.

Honestly, one of my fave things about Cook Islands is the fact that Jenny clearly disliked Yul and Becky so much that she voted for Ozzy, someone she had never spent any time with on the island, to win :love:

I completely agree! It's what I found most interesting about him. :laugh: I don't know how he would have faired without the hidden immunity idol, but he openly manipulated everybody and managed to be so calm and endearing at the same time, rather than hopping at the chance to be a villain.

[TomC]

I'm four episodes into Palau. It's still a fantastic season, but people are right, the excitement and suspense of a Palau first-watch has completely evaporated. It is clear from the very start who will have control in the game.

I bloody love Angie! I didn't remember very much about her from the first watch, but queen.
James is really awful.
Bobby Jon remains a hottie.
The Ulong tribe is, on the whole, pretty vapid ngl.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Finally watched the penultimate episode of Nicaragua and it was all about Chase's indecision. Once again, he made a promise to someone that he would bring them on Reward and then immediately backtracked and didn't :joker: this might've been the worst one yet because they knew it was going to be a family visit ahead of time and Chase and Jud both connected about how much their mothers mean to them, and then Chase took Holly instead :love: the POS recap was brutal on Chase's indecisiveness and the new content this episode was no exception. It all even continued after the IC when everyone wanted to boot Jane except for him, and then he had to roll along with it anyway. The fact that he gets 4 votes at FTC is a miracle because he's burned every single bridge multiple times.

Speaking of Jane, WOW her last stand was something else :love: The camp life scene after IC and before TC was seriously a work of art and one of the most chilling things I've ever seen, with Jane confronting Sash/Chase/Holly about the vote, them having no response and making it clear that they're most likely going to vote her out, Jane scratching her face but really flipping them off, Jane getting a confessional that seriously lasted forever about how she played and honest game and she never lied but Chase is a disgrace to the Carolina name and he should be afraid to go back to North Carolina and Sash is a liar and a cheat and his mother should be ashamed of herself for raising someone like him..... and then she goes back to camp and puts out the fire because BY GOD I STARTED IT, I'LL PUT IT OUT :love::love::love::love::love: I remember *HATING* Jane when this happened back in 2010 but her self-righteous hypocrisy really hit all the right notes for me this time around. Her last stand is seriously an all-time singular episode performance.

As for this post, BY GOD I STARTED IT, I'LL PUT IT OUT.