Jeremy Corbyn the Labour Leader: Some Still Against him : a 2nd Jeremy Win 24/9/16

[arista]

Another Labour MP said she be in JC 's cabinets
as well as any of the other 3.


Caroline Flint MP
speaking on Ch4HD News

[JoshBB]

Out of all of them, Yvette is pissing me off massively. Her whole campaign is negative and "dont elect corbyn!!!!!" "dont elect this candidate!" "that will be a disaster dont do that!"

She's not even saying to vote for her, just not to elect Corbyn.. one of the few who hopefully won't be in a Corbyn cabinet.

[the truth]

Out of all of them, Yvette is pissing me off massively. Her whole campaign is negative and "dont elect corbyn!!!!!" "dont elect this candidate!" "that will be a disaster dont do that!"

She's not even saying to vote for her, just not to elect Corbyn.. one of the few who hopefully won't be in a Corbyn cabinet.

shes a Bitter twat

[arista]

We get the Result on Saturday the 12th.

JC for the win on that day
I say

[smudgie]

I hope he does win.
Most honest out of the four for me. (Although he is a bit too far left)

[arista]

I hope he does win.
Most honest out of the four for me. (Although he is a bit too far left)


Yes you can trust his words


the other 3
are Tory lite


Life In The City

[MTVN]

Still have a feeling Cooper will pip him to it

[Kizzy]

Voting just closed #Jez4thewin

[joeysteele]

Really interesting 2 to 3 years ahead for sure after the result is announced.

I still have the belief that whoever is leader after Saturday,they will not lead Labour into the 2020 election.

[arista]

Really interesting 2 to 3 years ahead for sure after the result is announced.

I still have the belief that whoever is leader after Saturday,they will not lead Labour into the 2020 election.


depends on the Reformed Labour Democracy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andy Burnham with Nick on LBC yesterday


"Yes Nick the whole process is robust and fair and etc etc..."

Nick let him drone on and then

"Well I decided to try and register to vote using the name Nick at LBC and before me I have my papers and my 8 digit code to vote in the leadership election"

silence and then.. wait for it..."well" said Burnham "I am not in charge of the voting procedure"

:joker:


nailed


(only that night did they contact Nick Ferrari to say he was now not allowed to vote :laugh2:)

[Livia]

Andy Burnham with Nick on LBC yesterday


"Yes Nick the whole process is robust and fair and etc etc..."

Nick let him drone on and then

"Well I decided to try and register to vote using the name Nick at LBC and before me I have my papers and my 8 digit code to vote in the leadership election"

silence and then.. wait for it..."well" said Burnham "I am not in charge of the voting procedure"

:joker:


nailed


(only that night did they contact Nick Ferrari to say he was now not allowed to vote :laugh2:)

That's hilarious....

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/10/417280/default/v2/1001ic-dtndt-1-110915-a001c-dt-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/10/417289/default/v1/mail-001-1st-ia-nth-28n-29-nws-20150911-1-563x750.jpg

[the truth]

hes beating these clowns easily but cant help feeling he will struggle at the next level, hope im wrong

[lostalex]

he needs to stop badmouthing the US and NATO.

[Kizzy]

Andy Burnham with Nick on LBC yesterday


"Yes Nick the whole process is robust and fair and etc etc..."

Nick let him drone on and then

"Well I decided to try and register to vote using the name Nick at LBC and before me I have my papers and my 8 digit code to vote in the leadership election"

silence and then.. wait for it..."well" said Burnham "I am not in charge of the voting procedure"

:joker:


nailed


(only that night did they contact Nick Ferrari to say he was now not allowed to vote :laugh2:)

Was this just to prove our media and broadcasters are all tory stooges?

[joeysteele]

Was this just to prove our media and broadcasters are all tory stooges?

There are people who had membership that have not had ballot papers, however I understand it is because the membership was not renewed in some cases,therefore no papers were sent out rightly.

This is massive poll across the Labour party to elect this leader,it has been handled badly in some areas however it is totally legitimate and has bropught in a huge number to just elect a Party leader.

Just let people who want to see Labour crash out of existence ridicule and laugh at the process and the candidates Kizzy.

They who laugh last may be the ones who laugh loudest in the end,as the saying goes.

[Kizzy]

There are people who had membership that have not had ballot papers, however I understand it is because the membership was not renewed in some cases,therefore no papers were sent out rightly.

This is massive poll across the Labour party to elect this leader,it has been handled badly in some areas however it is totally legitimate and has bropught in a huge number to just elect a Party leader.

Just let people who want to see Labour crash out of existence ridicule and laugh at the process and the candidates Kizzy.

They who laugh last may be the ones who laugh loudest in the end,as the saying goes.

I very much hope so Joey, I'm saving my best belly laugh for the day Jeremy is declared leader. Can you imagine Dave squirming at PMQs as he faces Jeremy on some of the issues that have been in the media lately? :)

[arista]

he needs to stop badmouthing the US and NATO.


No Alex thats
what he is about

[JoshBB]

I predict a Corbyn win, with odds of 1/33 on Bet365 and the lowest odd for him being 1/25, it really does seem like he will storm this.

If he doesn't win I will be shocked and would definitely smell a rat within the process.

[Pete.]

I'll be watching!

[lewis111]

Here for 300/1 Liz Kendall taking this xx

[Kizzy]

Hmmm there's been so much bizarreness surrounding this vote I wouldn't be surprised if Vince Cable didn't win it :idc:

[MTVN]

If Cooper wins I will be here to say I told you so

If Corbyn wins I will be here having a good old chuckle

Win win

[joeysteele]

If he fails to win in the first round of votes as first choice votes, then he may not win.
I cannot see any of the other 3 candidates voters having Jeremy as their 2nd choices and all who have voted for Jeremy have to put one of the others as their 2nd and 3rd choices too.

This could be closer in that scenario but of course if he is really so far ahed that he has a chance of clinching it from the first choices of votes, then he will be leader for sure.

I do really feel now that as he has done in this contest, he could well be able to set a whole new agenda once up and running as leader and in fact, his challenges to David Cameron on social issues particularly could be an area where he can really turn the tide of public opinion against the heartless Conservative agenda.

One thing it will not be is boring at all of he wins.

[JoshBB]

Here for 300/1 Liz Kendall taking this xx

:joker:

[MTVN]

They're all ready for the announcement at Tory party HQ

http://www.boisdale.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/champagne-on-ice.jpg

[JoshBB]

They're all ready for the announcement at Tory party HQ

http://www.boisdale.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/champagne-on-ice.jpg

They're in for a shock when Corbyn storms 2020

[MTVN]

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[Kizzy]

* crosses everything *

[kirklancaster]

They're all ready for the announcement at Tory party HQ

http://www.boisdale.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/champagne-on-ice.jpg

:laugh2: It's the quintessential definition of 'Win/Win' as far as the Tory Party is concerned.

[Kizzy]

Senior aide to Liz Kendall says Corbyn has won in the first round with over 60% of the vote.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/sep/12/labour-announces-leadership-election-result-with-corbyn-tipped-to-win-politics-live

[arista]

Well Done JC you have won it.

[smudgie]

Bye bye Harriet.

[MTVN]

Sounds like a landslide victory for Corbyn in the first round

[MTVN]

And that smarmy git Tom Watson going to be deputy leader

[arista]

And that smarmy git Tom Watson going to be deputy leader



Yes a chip on his shoulder

[arista]

Yes Confirmed Tom Watson MP is now the Deputy Leader

[Kizzy]

Smarmy git? what constitutes 'smarm' standing up in the commons and asking for a inquiry into child abuse? It was his expose that placed the crack in the establishment, the guy deserves a medal.

[smudgie]

:cheer2: Yays @ Tom Watson winning deputy leader...another win for the Tories.

[Pete.]

Bye bye Harriet.
Haz </3

[lewis111]

He's got this round 1

[Cherie]

A new era should be interesting

[MTVN]

RIP Labour

[lewis111]

Next prime minister will be Jeremy Corbyn vs Boris Johnson what a country we live in

[smudgie]

Andy Burnham 19%
Yvette Cooper 17%
Jeremy Corbyn 59.5%
Liz Kendal. 4.5%

[Pete.]

Poor Liz

[Kizzy]

Jeremy Corbyn wins the Labour leadership with

There 540,272 eligible voters.

Some 422,664 people cast votes

There were 207 spoilt votes.

Jeremy Corbyn: 251,417 - 59.5%

Andy Burnham: 80,462 - 19%

Yvette Cooper: 71,928 - 17%

Liz Kendall: 18,857 -

[arista]

Andy Burnham 19%
Yvette Cooper 17%
Jeremy Corbyn 59.5%
Liz Kendal. 4.5%


Utter Bliss JC

[lewis111]

Bless Liz

[arista]

Poor Liz



Yes bottom of the heap

[JoshBB]

omfg yes!!!!!!

[MTVN]

'Yes we did'

Oh dear

[Ross.]

Omg Liz bless her :worry:

[arista]

omfg yes!!!!!!


yes all the New Young voters
may were on Ch4HD News.



Landslide Win

[billy123]

Im enjoying the bitter little snipes from the tories he has them rattled :)
Twitter is fun.

[Kizzy]

Let Tories assume they are weak. Labour will unleash the power of hope.

To all those Tories sniggering, he says: ‘Watch this space.’

Watson is winding up now. He says Labour is going to weave its way back into communities. It stands for the common sense and decency of British people. Nothing is stronger than that. If it takes that out to the streets, it will win.

[smudgie]

'Yes we did'

Oh dear

Yes they did:cheer2:
Tories are doing well today:laugh:

[arista]

'Yes we did'

Oh dear


Yes going USA Style

[Pete.]

If the press can run Ed Milliband through the mud, they will have a field day with Jeremy come 2020. I'm sorry I don't think this was the best choice for Labour.

[billy123]

If the press can run Ed Milliband through the mud, they will have a field day with Jeremy come 2020. I'm sorry I don't think this was the best choice for Labour.You think someone moulded into what the media would prefer would be a good choice?
OK pete.
Screw the media.

[lostalex]

the Labour party really doesn't want to have power for another decade then i guess...

What the hell is going on in that party. is there no one capable of organizing an actual viable political party from within that party?

[Headie]

Oh Politics
http://i.imgur.com/7uuB25F.gif

[arista]

the Labour party really doesn't want to have power for another decade then i guess...


Lets see if he changes the Labour Party
all to play for in 2020 UK Election

[Kizzy]

If the press can run Ed Milliband through the mud, they will have a field day with Jeremy come 2020. I'm sorry I don't think this was the best choice for Labour.

Jeremy Corbyn is starting now. He starts by thanking Iain McNicol, the Labour staff and Harriet Harman.

Harman’s decency and passion for the rights of women is something we must thank her for. We have legislation on the statute books to thank her for, he says.

And he congratulates Tom Watson on his election. Watson is passionate about communication, and about holding people who do not want to be held to account.

And he thanks Ed Miliband for all his work. He says he had a long conversation with him recently. He thanked him for his work as leader and as energy secretary, and for the way he showed dignity when under attack by the media, particularly when his father, the late, great Ralph Miliband, was criticised.

Oh I think he's more than ready ;)

[arista]

Oh Politics
http://i.imgur.com/7uuB25F.gif



This is the New Leader
that speaks the Truth.
Very Rare

[lostalex]

Lets see if he changes the Labour Party
all to play for in 2020 UK Election

2020! lol. the UK might not even exist in 2020.

[JoshBB]

SO glad he won.

[Kizzy]

the Labour party really doesn't want to have power for another decade then i guess...

What the hell is going on in that party. is there no one capable of organizing an actual viable political party from within that party?

Two words for you Alex. Donald Trump... :laugh:

[arista]

2020! lol. the UK might not even exist in 2020.


The same for USA

[Crimson Dynamo]

not labour droning on about "passion" and "we are the party of the common man and justice and migrants and the downtrodden and the :sleep:"


:idc:

[JoshBB]

not labour droning on about "passion" and "we are the party of the common man and justice and migrants and the downtrodden and the :sleep:"


:idc:

But they are, or at least they used to be. Corbyn will restore that

[lostalex]

Two words for you Alex. Donald Trump... :laugh:

Donald trump has no political power and holds no position in the republican party. so what is your point?

[lostalex]

The same for USA

The USA will still Exist in 2020 no doubt and in tact.

when i say the UK might not still exist, i meant Scotland might not be part of it anymore, which would absolutely DESTROY labour.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is great is that the type of politician that is miliband/bunham/kendall and big neck has been told

feck off - we dont want that type of pratt with soundbytes anymore

that is good news

[JoshBB]

If the press can run Ed Milliband through the mud, they will have a field day with Jeremy come 2020. I'm sorry I don't think this was the best choice for Labour.

Don't worry, he is nowhere near as weak as Ed Miliband was.

[MTVN]

The USA will still Exist in 2020 no doubt and in tact.

when i say the UK might not still exist, i meant Scotland might not be part of it anymore, which would absolutely DESTROY labour.

There won't be another referendum before 2020 and anyway Labour has already been wiped out in Scotland

[kirklancaster]

:cheer2: Yays @ Tom Watson winning deputy leader...another win for the Tories.

:laugh: For sure Smudgie, for sure.

[JoshBB]

There won't be another referendum before 2020 and anyway Labour has already been wiped out in Scotland

It's not a done deal there. Corbyn could take these scottish voters back easily

[kirklancaster]

Jeremy Corbyn is starting now. He starts by thanking Iain McNicol, the Labour staff and Harriet Harman.

Harman’s decency and passion for the rights of women is something we must thank her for. We have legislation on the statute books to thank her for, he says.

And he congratulates Tom Watson on his election. Watson is passionate about communication, and about holding people who do not want to be held to account.

And he thanks Ed Miliband for all his work. He says he had a long conversation with him recently. He thanked him for his work as leader and as energy secretary, and for the way he showed dignity when under attack by the media, particularly when his father, the late, great Ralph Miliband, was criticised.

Oh I think he's more than ready ;)

Harmon is an abhorrent joke of a politician.

[kirklancaster]

It's not a done deal there. Corbyn could take these scottish voters back easily

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: :nono: Mass abduction is illegal.

[JoshBB]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: :nono: Mass abduction is illegal.

:laugh:

[JoshBB]

Harmon is an abhorrent joke of a politician.

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Harmon is an abhorrent joke of a politician.

Well seeing as Harriet Harman is due to retire from the front benches now anyway we can focus on who we have now moving forward.

[karezza]

Jeffrey Corbyn = high taxes, high public spending, massive Third World immigration,
5 million unemployed, high inflation, high interest rates and hundreds of thousands of mortgage foreclosures.

[Kizzy]

Donald trump has no political power and holds no position in the republican party. so what is your point?

My point is he is given a media platform to flap his gums more than any relevant politician or party in America.

[the truth]

Harmon is an abhorrent joke of a politician.

agreed. she even voted for assisted suicide and for austerity

[Kizzy]

agreed. she even voted for assisted suicide and for austerity

They all voted for austerity... except Jeremy.

[JoshBB]

Jeffrey Corbyn = high taxes, high public spending, massive Third World immigration,
5 million unemployed, high inflation, high interest rates and hundreds of thousands of mortgage foreclosures.

Fail to see how high public spending is a bad thing,

and this whole unemployment, interest, "massive third world immigration" stuff is all bs

[karezza]

Fail to see how high public spending is a bad thing,

and this whole unemployment, interest, "massive third world immigration" stuff is all bs

High public spending = high borrowing = high debt repayments = national ruin.

[JoshBB]

High public spending = high borrowing = high debt repayments = national ruin.

There are so many assumptions (and wrong ones at that) here it's unreal..

[Kizzy]

Congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn. My resignation letter from the @UKLabour front bench.

Bye Jamie Reed.

[karezza]

Congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn. My resignation letter from the @UKLabour front bench.

Bye Jamie Reed.

Socialism = giving ugly, lazy, fat people more money to spend on tobacco, alcohol, scratch cards and tattoos.

[the truth]

Fail to see how high public spending is a bad thing,

and this whole unemployment, interest, "massive third world immigration" stuff is all bs

it can be good or bad...but the last labour disaster disrespected public money and wasted it all....they must respect it, they must be accountable, they must fight to cap chief exec pays and they must hold useless councils and councillors to account....also hows about over turning the system where councils deliberately waste their annual budgets just to ensure they get the same or more money the next year? why not reward prudency and thriftiness and smarter use of public money? co ordinate the departments better, the roads, transport, sewerage, electrics etc save billions

[Ross.]

It's not a done deal there. Corbyn could take these scottish voters back easily

I disagree. Getting Scottish votes back from the SNP will be a huge challenge and one that's unlikely to be done for a long time yet.

[MTVN]

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[JoshBB]

I disagree. Getting Scottish votes back from the SNP will be a huge challenge and one that's unlikely to be done for a long time yet.

Regardless Corbyn is the best candidate to do it.

Does anyone know what the reaction to Tony Blair's election was? I wasn't alive at the time so I'm wondering if this is similar?

[arista]

"Corbyn will restore that "


Yes a big Job
he can do it.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn says the Tories have used the economic crisis to impose a terrible burden on the poor. It is not right, and it has got to change.

You must tackle grotesque levels of inequality. We need an economic policy to deal with that, he says.

He says Labour stands here because of the work of others.

But it will go forward stronger. Its passion and humanity is intact.

It is going to reach out to everyone, he says, to help offer people a decent start in life.

The party is going to become more inclusive, more involved, and more democratic.

It will shape the future for everyone, he says.

And he says thank you in advance to everyone working together.

Poverty does not have to be inevitable. Things can, and they will, change, he says.

And that’s it.

He is getting a standing ovation.

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[JoshBB]

it can be good or bad...but the last labour disaster disrespected public money and wasted it all....they must respect it, they must be accountable, they must fight to cap chief exec pays and they must hold useless councils and councillors to account....also hows about over turning the system where councils deliberately waste their annual budgets just to ensure they get the same or more money the next year? why not reward prudency and thriftiness and smarter use of public money? co ordinate the departments better, the roads, transport, sewerage, electrics etc save billions

Oh yes the money should absolutely be used properly, and I don't know a lot about this "wasting" but if that's the case then it is terrible and they should look into that for sure. If people are wasting it on crap to get the same budget then they need to be held accountable. Council money would be really good on making roads look nice and preventing homelessness

[kirklancaster]

Socialism = giving ugly, lazy, fat people more money to spend on tobacco, alcohol, scratch cards and tattoos.

:nono: You forgot drugs and chav clothes. :laugh:

[Shaun]

well it was the only good possible result really. The other 3 were useless clones.

[Tom4784]

:clap1:

[JoshBB]

Socialism = giving ugly, lazy, fat people more money to spend on tobacco, alcohol, scratch cards and tattoos.

No it isn't.

smh

[Kizzy]

Dave Prentis, general secretary of Unison, has reacted with jubilation to Corbyn’s victory.

Today people for the first time in a decade are hearing a message of hope.

A clarion call that there is another way, an alternative message that it doesn’t need to be like this. People see in Jeremy a politician who has created a wave, a vision of a better, kinder world that works for everyone, not just a self-serving few‎.

Jeremy has ignited a spark of hope, a spark that had been dampened for decades. This is a chance to claim back the heart and the soul of the party and make it our Labour Party once more‎.”

It's heartening to know there are sill those with the 'Kier Hardie' spirit and even more heartening to know that is still what is at the core of Labour supporters in 2015.

[Pete.]

Saw Carole BB8 on Sky News earlier <3

[Kizzy]

Confirmation by @TristramHuntMP he will not serve in @jeremycorbyn shad cab: JC deserves respect for victory + space to build his own team

Emma Reynolds @EmmaReynoldsMP
Congratulations to @jeremyforlabour - he needs to space to build his own team. I will serve our party and my constituents from backbenches.

Confirmation @YvetteForLabour won't serve in @jeremycorbyn shad cab: But not taking my bat + ball away I want to work in Lab for EU campaign

Rachel Reeves ✔ @RachelReevesMP
When I return from maternity leave in January I will serve my constituents in Leeds West, party & new leadership from backbenches. #Labour

Wow... :/

[arista]

"He is getting a standing ovation."


Yes a Great Backing

[arista]

well it was the only good possible result really. The other 3 were useless clones.


Bang On Right Shaun

[JoshBB]

Priti Patel on BBC News now commenting on his victory - "He is a threat to [long list of things], our economy.."

How is raising taxes dangerous to the economy? She literally quoted Michael Fallon word for word too :laugh:

[karezza]

Labour are welfare feeders who want to keep their voters bloated on benefits.

[Kizzy]

The fear factor, that's at the crux of all tory wittering.
Fear and nothing else of substance they just hope against hope that's enough...it isn't.

[arista]

Owen Jones Live on SkyNewsHD

[JoshBB]

I would turn over because I like Owen Jones, but I'm getting a bit sick of this story now because of BBC News' extreme repetition and me watching the TV for like 3 hours now, gonna do some other things.

[Samuel.]

What a lovely day

[karezza]

What a lovely day

To be a good-for-nothing parasite?

[JoshBB]

To be a good-for-nothing parasite?

arent you just the loveliest person

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/12/17/2C3A839C00000578-3231747-image-a-6_1442074058066.jpg
A Busy Start


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/12/13/2C37BE5E00000578-3231747-image-a-46_1442062004830.jpg
his wife Laura Alvarez

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/12/11/2C3773B000000578-3231747-Mr_Corbyn_was_bundled_into_the_QEII_Conference_Cen tre_in_Westmin-a-99_1442054256249.jpg
The Woman on the Right keeps stopping Reporters
Even though he will answer

[user104658]

To be a good-for-nothing parasite?
Someone's slurped down a Cameron / Osborne / IDS bukkake without stopping for breath, haven't they.

[JoshBB]

Does anyone know if Corbyn can appoint non-labour MPs to his shadow cabinet? There was a green person asking him to appoint Caroline Lucas as environment or energy minister, but I dont know if he is actually allowed to do that (and I doubt he would).

[Livia]

Great news for the Tories! Labour now unelectable. Again...

[JoshBB]

Great news for the Tories! Labour now unelectable. Again...

I don't think they're unelectable. Everyone keeps saying this yet most prefer him to the 3 other candidates. It's like an idea that's been forced into peoples' minds which is totally stupid.

[arista]

Great news for the Tories! Labour now unelectable. Again...



Give him a chance

[JoshBB]

Give him a chance

Yes the media have labelled him as "left-wing veteran MP", but instead of thinking just that he's left-wing, look at his policies. They're all very good for working people I think.

[Kizzy]

Now UKIP have dissolved like slugs in salt post election I hope Labour just get stronger and stronger.

[user104658]

Great news for the Tories! Labour now unelectable. Again...
I don't think it's good news for the Tories to be honest... Labour are unelectable for the next decade anyway. They don't have their **** together and that wasn't going to suddenly change any time soon.

With that in mind - what's better for the Tories to have in opposition? Another Tory-lite boys club member who is going to loosely agree with pretty much everything they do or say anyway, just with a slight twist... Or, someone who is actually going to be in opposition for getting them on every point, trying g to hold them accountable, and asking them to justify their actions?

I'd say any of the other three - who still wouldn't have been elect able in 5 years - would give them a much, much easier ride.

However, having an actual opposition with actual opposing ideologies IS good for absolutely everyone else, no matter which party you align with, and it's good for democracy in general.

[user104658]

I'd also add that you should be careful because Britain is an absolute sucker for an underdog. Every time someone says "lol he's unelectable", they inadvertently make him slightly more likely to be elected...

[Jack.]

well it was the only good possible result really. The other 3 were useless clones.

Could imagine if Liz had actually won it :umm2: :joker:

[Jack.]

Socialism = giving ugly, lazy, fat people more money to spend on tobacco, alcohol, scratch cards and tattoos.

:facepalm:

[Johnnyuk123]

GREAT RESULT!!!! 20 more plus years in power and then some for the Conservatives.:joker::joker::joker:

[MTVN]

It begins

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http://i.imgur.com/NSkJZbn.png
http://i.imgur.com/oUWNCWN.png

[letmein]

Yes you can trust his words


the other 3
are Tory lite


Life In The City

Wait, you're a Left-winger, arista? :joker:

[lostalex]

he looks like a very small man. how tall is he?

[kirklancaster]

It begins

http://i.imgur.com/xncSeGD.png?1
http://i.imgur.com/8xudCLx.png
http://i.imgur.com/NSkJZbn.png
http://i.imgur.com/oUWNCWN.png

It's the truth.

[the truth]

It's the truth.

NO IM THE TRUTH!!!!:cheer2:

[Northern Monkey]

It begins

http://i.imgur.com/xncSeGD.png?1
http://i.imgur.com/8xudCLx.png
http://i.imgur.com/NSkJZbn.png
http://i.imgur.com/oUWNCWN.png

And this is exactly the reason i am against him running the country.I do like some of his policies but his idealistic peaceful utopia does'nt exist.He is a dreamer and would leave our country open to attack and defenceless.

[kirklancaster]

NO IM THE TRUTH!!!!:cheer2:

:laugh: THE Truth, who speaks a LOT of truth.

[kirklancaster]

And this is exactly the reason i am against him running the country.I do like some of his policies but his idealistic peaceful utopia does'nt exist.He is a dreamer and would leave our country open to attack and defenceless.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: 'Peace In Our Time' shet.

[Kizzy]

Wow look at the Orwellian styling of the thing :/ The tories are attempting to keep the UK paralysed with fear, misinformation and lies.

[arista]

Tom Watson is going to do the PMQ's
this week.

Many changes


Chukka is leading his Tory Lite (a/k/a New Labour Team)
to have talks
but not to to attack the new leader

The Newspaper Review on Marr BBC1HD
was good

[Kizzy]

Brilliant, looking forward to that :)

[kirklancaster]

Wow look at the Orwellian styling of the thing :/ The tories are attempting to keep the UK paralysed with fear, misinformation and lies.

:shrug: Did Corbin make all the statements MTVN quoted or not? If he did - which he did - then no one is using misinformation and lies to paralyse anyone.

[arista]

Conservative MP Michael Gove MP
on Marr BBC1HD now
says JC could be become Prime Minister

[MTVN]

Tom Watson is going to do the PMQ's
this week.

Many changes


Chukka is leading his Tory Lite (a/k/a New Labour Team)
to have talks
but not to to attack the new leader

The Newspaper Review on Marr BBC1HD
was good

Why?

[arista]

Why?


I assume JC will be to busy.

[arista]

Radio 5 is now doing a Special Your Call
on JC.

[MTVN]

I assume JC will be to busy.

Pfft bottling it already

[lostalex]

It would be more interesting if the british public actually got to vote for their leaders, instead of the political parties getting to pick whatever leader they want. Why doesn't the public have more say?

[Kizzy]

:shrug: Did Corbin make all the statements MTVN quoted or not? If he did - which he did - then no one is using misinformation and lies to paralyse anyone.

I could pull up 100 questionable quotes from the PM, and the response would be 'Ah but that's not in context' ...
It's tory propaganda nothing more nothing less.

[Kizzy]

It would be more interesting if the british public actually got to vote for their leaders, instead of the political parties getting to pick whatever leader they want. Why doesn't the public have more say?

They have, that's why all the hoo ha and toys being thrown out of prams.

[lostalex]

They have, that's why all the hoo ha and toys being thrown out of prams.

There was a national election yesterday? I thought only the labor MP's got to vote...

[kirklancaster]

I could pull up 100 questionable quotes from the PM, and the response would be 'Ah but that's not in context' ...
It's tory propaganda nothing more nothing less.

It's not so long ago on here that some Tibbies were justifying the media for their 'Character Assassination' of Nigel Farage because of what some idiot members of his party had said - NOT even Farage himself as in Corbyn's case.

God forbid a Labour victory with him as P.M, because the IS flag will be flying over the Palace of Westminster while inside Abu Bakr will be sipping tea with Corbyn.

[Kizzy]

There was a national election yesterday? I thought only the labor MP's got to vote...

No Labour supporters voted on a new Labour leader, it was that result that was announced yesterday.

[Kizzy]

It's not so long ago on here that some Tibbies were justifying the media for their 'Character Assassination' of Nigel Farage because of what some idiot members of his party had said - NOT even Farage himself as in Corbyn's case.

God forbid a Labour victory with him as P.M, because the IS flag will be flying over the Palace of Westminster while inside Abu Bakr will be sipping tea with Corbyn.

No comparisons can even be drawn between the two...

[arista]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live

Watch Radio 5 Live "Pienaar's Politics"
great Live -panel

[kirklancaster]

No comparisons can even be drawn between the two...

Why? Pray explain.

[Kizzy]

Listening :)

[arista]

Listening :)


Yes a Good and Balanced Debate

[arista]

Time to post the Sunday Papers Front Pages

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417722/default/v1/the-observer-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417724/default/v1/independent-on-sunday-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417726/default/v1/the-sunday-telegraph-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417727/default/v1/the-sunday-times-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417729/default/v2/sunday-mirror-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417778/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-13.09.15-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417721/default/v1/daily-express-1-442x589.jpg

[arista]

I love the Rory Bremner (Doing Blair)
on the phone at the end of the Radio 5 Pinaars Politics

[joeysteele]

Good one, I wish him well.

I have to say an unfair disservice is done to him as to the IS flag, Jeremy Corbyn would not want the IS flag flying anywhere.
I have no doubt as to that one.

It is our mess of an Iraq invasion that was wrong,that our equally ill advised and bad action in Libya created that is more likely to see an IS flag flying permanently anywhere.
Nothign at all to do with Jeremy Corbyn and no way wqould he ever want or allow one to flown in the UK either.

If that is the fictional and hysterical things he will get thrown at him by the media and far right voters,that is a very sad state of affairs as to any fairness in the UK again.

[arista]

"fictional and hysterical things"


Next Sunday he must go on BBC1 Marr
And I hope Ch4HD News today


By using live Media
he can talk Direct to Everyone

[smudgie]

When I hear him speak, all I can think of is putting flowers in my hair:shrug:

[Kizzy]

What did Gove say today on Marr... 'Did the UN know about the bombing?' Gove: ' I don't know'....

Oh dear :/

[Northern Monkey]

I wonder how long he'll last.Out before the next GE?

[Kizzy]

When I hear him speak, all I can think of is putting flowers in my hair:shrug:

* Hands smudge a rose *

[kirklancaster]

I wonder how long he'll last.Out before the next GE?

:laugh: Odds on Paul, Odds on.

[arista]

I wonder how long he'll last.Out before the next GE?


He has a Big Job
he can do it
so long as the (Tory lite )New Labour
do not create a Brick wall

[arista]

:laugh: Odds on Paul, Odds on.


Stop all this Tosh


Loads back his Railways plans


Other Policys are still being built
Shadow Cabinet First

[kirklancaster]

I wonder how long he'll last.Out before the next GE?

No worries Paul - They can always replace him with Richard Stillgoe -- Below: :laugh:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2WiIgenK93LJ-eHiejztiqJKBln8nk6NIytFD3wmbXYQD5FTp9g

[Northern Monkey]

No worries Paul - They can always replace him with Richard Stillgoe -- Below: :laugh:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2WiIgenK93LJ-eHiejztiqJKBln8nk6NIytFD3wmbXYQD5FTp9g

Ha.I had to google him.They're very alike:laugh:

[Cherie]

Time to post the Sunday Papers Front Pages

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417722/default/v1/the-observer-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417724/default/v1/independent-on-sunday-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417726/default/v1/the-sunday-telegraph-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417727/default/v1/the-sunday-times-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417729/default/v2/sunday-mirror-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417778/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-13.09.15-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/12/417721/default/v1/daily-express-1-442x589.jpg

The Sun bringing us the news we all want to know :laugh:

[arista]

The Sun bringing us the news we all want to know :laugh:


no its to Early
to rule him out as a PM of 2020

[JoshBB]

Typical tory press trying to make peoples' opinions for them.. can only hope people think with their own minds.

And that "Death of New Labour" headline was also used after Ed Miliband was elected in 2010 :laugh:

[arista]

"Death of New Labour"

Yes I am all for that
as I am sick of them being the same
as the Conservatives in many areas


Also Ed kept New Labour going
on his Front Bench

[JoshBB]

"Death of New Labour"

Yes I am all for that
as I am sick of them being the same
as the Conservatives in many areas


Also Ed kept New Labour going
on his Front Bench

Basically everything said here :laugh:

Corbyn is the real death of new Labour, and maybe we can finally get Blair locked up too.

[smudgie]

* Hands smudge a rose *

Thanks Kizzy.
I don't veer to the left, but I have to say, Jeremy is getting young voters interested in politics. Anyone that can do that is ok in my book.
I can see the appeal as he comes across as very honest.

[Kizzy]

He does, it proves nice guys don't always finish last :D

[Cherie]

no its to Early
to rule him out as a PM of 2020

I meant about Yaya's baby, every other paper leading with Corbyn but the Sun thinks we need to know about Yaya :idc:

[arista]

I meant about Yaya's baby, every other paper leading with Corbin but the Sun thinks we need to know about Yaya :idc:


I Get You

[arista]

Basically everything said here :laugh:

Corbyn is the real death of new Labour, and maybe we can finally get Blair locked up too.


Yes thats Best

[user104658]

God forbid a Labour victory with him as P.M, because the IS flag will be flying over the Palace of Westminster while inside Abu Bakr will be sipping tea with Corbyn.

Oh come on Kirk, I get that you're UKIP 4 life and still sore about your buddy Farage dying...

But this, above, is absolute ****ing nonsense.

[joeysteele]

No one has any idea as to what the UK voters generally,apart thst is from the affluent and hardline voters of the almost one party state that is the far South of England only.

I believe Jeremy can win back votes that went to UKIP and in a couple of years start to likely see progress in winning back credibility in Scotland too.

He has as Smuudgie said, and it is maybe surprising to some that at this stage in his career he has,reached out and got the attention of younger people in society.
To many, his ideas and policies may seem from the dark past, to those younger voters however,they are likely seen more as new and exciting challenges.

His problems with some in Labour may well pale into insignificance,as to the problems for the successor to David Cameron in the Conservatives, post whatever the result is of the EU referendum.

I say give him a chance,as for those who resigned from the shadow cabinet, hey, there is no 'real' shadow cabinet until Jeremy chooses who it is as the newly endorsed leader.
He may well not have wanted a good few of them anyway.

These are people who failed in the May general election to help keep voters with Labour and convince people they were right.
Maybe they need to do some soul searching on the backbenches.
Tristram Hunt and Chukka, who I admire, could have run for leader, they cowardly did not,had they done so, Jeremy would likely have never got the required number of MPs to run himself.

I hope he does well, he knows if he doesn't that in a max of 3 years he will likely face a leadership challenge but somehow I do see him winning back old Labour voters who went to UKIP and also pull back voters in Scotland too.
I actually as a Labour person now view the coming years for Labour with more optimism and hope which I have a feeling is what a lot of disgruntled voters are starting to do as well now.

[Kizzy]

Well said Joey, it really is 'back to basics' :)

[Northern Monkey]

I think he has some novelty value and has more than likely as said above got some young people interested in politics as they might see him as a change from what we have now.I just pray to god(and i'm not even religious) that he never becomes PM as i think he would be a danger to our country,people and ever declining way of life.
I do however think that once the novelty wears off and people start getting realistic rather than idealistic that he will either be voted out or step down due to lack of support.

[user104658]

I think he has some novelty value and has more than likely as said above got some young people interested in politics as they might see him as a change from what we have now.I just pray to god(and i'm not even religious) that he never becomes PM as i think he would be a danger to our country,people and ever declining way of life.
I do however think that once the novelty wears off and people start getting realistic rather than idealistic that he will either be voted out or step down due to lack of support.
Is our "way of life" not ever declining anyway? And we've had Mr Tory in Number 10 for how many years now? They can't possibly still be blaming "the previous labour government" for everything at this point.

[joeysteele]

I think he has some novelty value and has more than likely as said above got some young people interested in politics as they might see him as a change from what we have now.I just pray to god(and i'm not even religious) that he never becomes PM as i think he would be a danger to our country,people and ever declining way of life.
I do however think that once the novelty wears off and people start getting realistic rather than idealistic that he will either be voted out or step down due to lack of support.

Obviously, I myself do not share your view, however I respect you see things that way as to him.

I don't see him as a danger to anyone/anything really, to our defences or future or people.
He certainly is not to blame for the ever declining way of life you mention that is the case now.

The danger to certain people in the UK comes from this present govt with its heartless social vindictiveness as to policymaking against the sick, disabled and most vulnerable in the UK.
Now that for me is urgently something to worry about from all I have witnessed over the last few years.
Nothing Jeremy says on that, fills me with anything else but hope for a possibly better future for those who really need to be supported and protected.

So for me this could actually be a good decision and move long term for Labour in electing him.

[kirklancaster]

No one has any idea as to what the UK voters generally,apart thst is from the affluent and hardline voters of the almost one party state that is the far South of England only.

I believe Jeremy can win back votes that went to UKIP and in a couple of years start to likely see progress in winning back credibility in Scotland too.

He has as Smuudgie said, and it is maybe surprising to some that at this stage in his career he has,reached out and got the attention of younger people in society.
To many, his ideas and policies may seem from the dark past, to those younger voters however,they are likely seen more as new and exciting challenges.

His problems with some in Labour may well pale into insignificance,as to the problems for the successor to David Cameron in the Conservatives, post whatever the result is of the EU referendum.

I say give him a chance,as for those who resigned from the shadow cabinet, hey, there is no 'real' shadow cabinet until Jeremy chooses who it is as the newly endorsed leader.
He may well not have wanted a good few of them anyway.

These are people who failed in the May general election to help keep voters with Labour and convince people they were right.
Maybe they need to do some soul searching on the backbenches.
Tristram Hunt and Chukka, who I admire, could have run for leader, they cowardly did not,had they done so, Jeremy would likely have never got the required number of MPs to run himself.

I hope he does well, he knows if he doesn't that in a max of 3 years he will likely face a leadership challenge but somehow I do see him winning back old Labour voters who went to UKIP and also pull back voters in Scotland too.
I actually as a Labour person now view the coming years for Labour with more optimism and hope which I have a feeling is what a lot of disgruntled voters are starting to do as well now.

How will he possibly "win back votes that went to UKIP" Joey? Those voters that deserted both Labour and the Tories to vote for UKIP did so because they were in despair from the soft or non-existent immigration Control policies of those two parties, and were fed up of of being 'fleeced' by the corrupt and wasteful EU.

Based on: "His Sayings Showeth The Man" - ie; all the Corbyn quotes MTVN highlighted - how the hell are UKIP voters going to return to the Labour Party under a terrorist appeaser and ass-licker?

I predict a riot - of even MORE voters deserting Labour under Corbyn once the dust has settled.

[kirklancaster]

I think he has some novelty value and has more than likely as said above got some young people interested in politics as they might see him as a change from what we have now.I just pray to god(and i'm not even religious) that he never becomes PM as i think he would be a danger to our country,people and ever declining way of life.
I do however think that once the novelty wears off and people start getting realistic rather than idealistic that he will either be voted out or step down due to lack of support.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I could not agree more.

[joeysteele]

How will he possibly "win back votes that went to UKIP" Joey? Those voters that deserted both Labour and the Tories to vote for UKIP did so because they were in despair from the soft or non-existent immigration Control policies of those two parties, and were fed up of of being 'fleeced' by the corrupt and wasteful EU.

Based on: "His Sayings Showeth The Man" - ie; all the Corbyn quotes MTVN highlighted - how the hell are UKIP voters going to return to the Labour Party under a terrorist appeaser and ass-licker?

I predict a riot - of even MORE voters deserting Labour under Corbyn once the dust has settled.

Sorry Kirk I respect you but don't agree.

I think even Ed Miliband could have saved votes going to UKIP just by promising an EU referendum too in the May election.

I think Jeremy has the integrity and manner that can persuade voters in the future not to channel their votes to get rid of the Conservatives to UKIP and elsewhere,and then win a great mnay of them back for Labour.

That I can see him doing more easily than many other things he needs to do.He is not to be fair a terrorist appeaser either.
I have no time for such comments as they are unfaiur.

[Kizzy]

How will he possibly "win back votes that went to UKIP" Joey? Those voters that deserted both Labour and the Tories to vote for UKIP did so because they were in despair from the soft or non-existent immigration Control policies of those two parties, and were fed up of of being 'fleeced' by the corrupt and wasteful EU.

Based on: "His Sayings Showeth The Man" - ie; all the Corbyn quotes MTVN highlighted - how the hell are UKIP voters going to return to the Labour Party under a terrorist appeaser and ass-licker?

I predict a riot - of even MORE voters deserting Labour under Corbyn once the dust has settled.

What is Mr Corbyns position on the EU?
It's unfortunate that a mere 24hrs after the result people are latching on to tory propaganda instead of educating themselves on the facts.

[Northern Monkey]

Obviously, I myself do not share your view, however I respect you see things that way as to him.

I don't see him as a danger to anyone/anything really, to our defences or future or people.
He certainly is not to blame for the ever declining way of life you mention that is the case now.

The danger to certain people in the UK comes from this present govt with its heartless social vindictiveness as to policymaking against the sick, disabled and most vulnerable in the UK.
Now that for me is urgently something to worry about from all I have witnessed over the last few years.
Nothing Jeremy says on that, fills me with anything else but hope for a possibly better future for those who really need to be supported and protected.

So for me this could actually be a good decision and move long term for Labour in electing him.I agree about the Tories heartless policies toward the poor and sick in our country but i don't believe in going from one extreme to the other.I don't think Corbyn is realistic.I don't believe some of his ideas would work in the society that we live in and in the dangerous world we live in.For me Chukka or Burnham would be better and more responsible choices.
I still find it hard to fully align with any party though.I support ideas from a few including the Tories who i would never vote for.
If Labour had a less hard left leaning and more responsible leader i could be persuaded to vote for them again if they were the least worse option.
I am however fundamentally against a couple of Corbyns views like his idea of a total open door policy and the scrapping of Trident.I also don't think he takes defence seriously enough or even sees it as a priority.

[Northern Monkey]

Is our "way of life" not ever declining anyway? And we've had Mr Tory in Number 10 for how many years now? They can't possibly still be blaming "the previous labour government" for everything at this point.

Yes i'd say our way of life is 'gradually' declining.I think if Corbyn was PM then we could just remove the word 'gradually'.

[Kizzy]

As this is a democracy he will have to bend to the will of the Labour party as a unit... Any scaremongering from the tories is pointless frankly.

[arista]

First thing this morning JC went in cab (ref :SkyNewsHD)
to a Mental Health Group.
Avoiding Marr on BBC1 HD 8:30AM early show.
he should have asked a BBC van to be there Early for a Live link


I hope next Sunday he is on Marr. BBC1HD 9PM

[the truth]

I agree about the Tories heartless policies toward the poor and sick in our country but i don't believe in going from one extreme to the other.I don't think Corbyn is realistic.I don't believe some of his ideas would work in the society that we live in and in the dangerous world we live in.For me Chukka or Burnham would be better and more responsible choices.
I still find it hard to fully align with any party though.I support ideas from a few including the Tories who i would never vote for.
If Labour had a less hard left leaning and more responsible leader i could be persuaded to vote for them again if they were the least worse option.
I am however fundamentally against a couple of Corbyns views like his idea of a total open door policy and the scrapping of Trident.I also don't think he takes defence seriously enough or even sees it as a priority.

good post

its all very well preaching about the poorer people, but putting it into practice is a different thing

in the end I think it comes down to one main thing.....his true motivation? many so called socialists I know and motivated by envy hate of the richa nd successful. those people will destroy this country and each other, if corbyn is coning from a place of true benevolence kindness compassion realism and fairness.....then he will do good....he appeals to the young because the young see life in black and white...but life is an ocean of grey.
the poor the sick the old need money where does the money come from?
will corbyn build a successful economy to afford looking after these poorer people

[arista]

Hang On
we do not know what JC wants
all we hear is others say it.

He only asked questions online
Not Full Policy


The Best thing said today Live on Marr was
Conservative Michael Gove saying he could be Prime Minister
not taking him for granted etc
http://www.michaelgove.com/sites/www.michaelgove.com/files/imagecache/hero_mp/2014-04-11_10.16.53_ccrop.jpg

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/13/13/2C4397A400000578-3232625-image-a-19_1442145906123.jpg
JC out and about today St.Pancras

[Northern Monkey]

good post

its all very well preaching about the poorer people, but putting it into practice is a different thing

in the end I think it comes down to one main thing.....his true motivation? many so called socialists I know and motivated by envy hate of the richa nd successful. those people will destroy this country and each other, if corbyn is coning from a place of true benevolence kindness compassion realism and fairness.....then he will do good....he appeals to the young because the young see life in black and white...but life is an ocean of grey.
the poor the sick the old need money where does the money come from?
will corbyn build a successful economy to afford looking after these poorer peopleExactly!Good point.We can't help the poor if all the rich flee the country as there will be no more money.

[Jack_]

643088960512770048

:clap1:

I'm excited already!

[Ashley.]

Why can't we just have someone who is impartial to both wings

[arista]

643088960512770048

:clap1:

I'm excited already!


Great News Jack

New Update :MTVN


As much early on he was going to be
to busy.

[bots]

How quickly will the bookies start taking bets that Corbyn is ousted in the next 2 years, that's the question. I will start saving for that bet now

[kirklancaster]

How quickly will the bookies start taking bets that Corbyn is ousted in the next 2 years, that's the question. I will start saving for that bet now

:laugh: Me too BitOnTheSlide.

[user104658]

Betting on politics is a mug's game. Well... Betting in general is... But politics even moreso.

[bots]

Betting on politics is a mug's game. Well... Betting in general is... But politics even moreso.

I'd say that's true generally, but this one i'm happy to bet on. I also bet on a Tory general election win and that turned out rather nicely :spin:

[MTVN]

Great News Jack

New Update :MTVN


As much early on he was going to be
to busy.

Believe he's saying that he will only take 1 in 5 PMQs. Sorry but that's a farce.

Also arista do you actually like Corbyn or are you supporting him as part of a #toriesforcorbyn thing?

[JoshBB]

He's began appointing his Shadow Cabinet. I've put them in the other thread. Some good people I think, and includes some blairites which shows he does actually want to unite the party.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417895/default/v1/the-times-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417889/default/v1/the-daily-telegraph-1-563x750.jpg

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http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417897/default/v0/the-independent-1-442x589.jpg

[kirklancaster]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417895/default/v1/the-times-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417889/default/v1/the-daily-telegraph-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417885/default/v1/metro-1-563x750.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417891/default/v1/i-1-442x589.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/9/13/417897/default/v0/the-independent-1-442x589.jpg

He will prove to be an unmitigated disaster and will not reign long.

[user104658]

The number of supposed political "professionals" hurling their toys out of the pram says it all about British politics, really. Petty and childish, as always.

[MTVN]

The number of supposed political "professionals" hurling their toys out of the pram says it all about British politics, really. Petty and childish, as always.

Corbyn has rebelled against his own party more than any other MP and has never been willing to support a party leader he disagreed with, how come when he does it it's 'principled' but when other Labour MPs do it they're 'hurling their toys out of the pram'?

People wanted Corbyn because he presented a radical departure from the current consensus and because he was ideologically distant to the rest of the field, well this is the result. To serve in someone's shadow cabinet you have to be prepared to endorse their proposals and support their views, it's not surprising that a lot of Labour MPs aren't prepared to do that while Corbyn insists on a radical agenda.

[user104658]

Corbyn has rebelled against his own party more than any other MP and has never been willing to support a party leader he disagreed with, how come when he does it it's 'principled' but when other Labour MPs do it they're 'hurling their toys out of the pram'?

People wanted Corbyn because he presented a radical departure from the current consensus and because he was ideologically distant to the rest of the field, well this is the result. To serve in someone's shadow cabinet you have to be prepared to endorse their proposals and support their views, it's not surprising that a lot of Labour MPs aren't prepared to do that while Corbyn insists on a radical agenda.

Well I personally don't think I've described Corbyn as "principled" so that "how come" question is redundant... For the rest of it, I'm not talking about people quietly stepping down because of differing ideologies. That's understandable. I'm talking about the insta-reactions, social media postings and huffing and puffing that accompanies it. Otherwise known as "flouncing", "paddying" or "throwing the toys out of the pram".

It happens constantly in British politics, along with the sniggering, guffawing, sneering and jeering. But as I recall, you've said previously that you like all of that... Err... "tradition".

Yuuurrrrrr bleeerrrrrrrrr yeeee *flounce*

[MTVN]

Well I personally don't think I've described Corbyn as "principled" so that "how come" question is redundant... For the rest of it, I'm not talking about people quietly stepping down because of differing ideologies. That's understandable. I'm talking about the insta-reactions, social media postings and huffing and puffing that accompanies is. Otherwise known as "flouncing", "paddying" or "throwing the toys out of the pram".

It happens constantly in British politics, along with the sniggering, guffawing, sneering and jeering. But as I recall, you've said previously that you like all of that... Err... "tradition".

Yuuurrrrrr bleeerrrrrrrrr yeeee *flounce*

I've seen very little of that. All someone like Rachel Reeves announced was that she would return to the backbenches when she comes back from maternity leave, Tristram Hunt said he would respect and support Corbyn but wouldn't be able to serve on the front benches, Yvette Cooper congratulated him and said she would work with him but wouldn't be able to take a shadow cabinet post etc. Jamie Reed was maybe the only one who was a bit petty in resigning before Corbyn had finished his speech. The media are hyping it up with talks of 'chaos' and 'splits' already but I don't think any of the Labour MPs have reacted that pettily.

I also don't see the equivalence between social media flouncing and maintaining Commons conventions that have existed for centuries :idc:

[user104658]

I've seen very little of that. All someone like Rachel Reeves announced was that she would return to the backbenches when she comes back from maternity leave, Tristram Hunt said he would respect and support Corbyn but wouldn't be able to serve on the front benches, Yvette Cooper congratulated him and said she would work with him but wouldn't be able to take a shadow cabinet post etc. Jamie Reed was maybe the only one who was a bit petty in resigning before Corbyn had finished his speech. The media are hyping it up with talks of 'chaos' and 'splits' already but I don't think any of the Labour MPs have reacted that pettily.

I also don't see the equivalence between social media flouncing and maintaining Commons conventions that have existed for centuries :idc:

The equivalence is that social media flouncing is juvenile, and most of the Commons conventions that have existed for centuries are also juvenile...

[bots]

I think the labour party will implode within a year. It will either get another new leader or there will be the breakaway social democrats mark 2. Its untenable as it is now.

[arista]

I think the labour party will implode within a year. It will either get another new leader or there will be the breakaway social democrats mark 2. Its untenable as it is now.


far to early to say

[lostalex]

remember when they elected Gordon Brown? lol

[bots]

far to early to say

I disagree, its blatantly obvious already

[joeysteele]

Somehow, I have a feeling voters generally are going to give Jeremy a chance, sometimes no matter what it is, negative things about a politician are not able to be made to stick.

Somehow Jeremy has acquired admiration and respect from voters and particularly younger and those who will be voting in 2020.

The bad mouthing of him may well backfire on those doing it and if he can convincingly have a team more often than not in the forefront of political debate,making the strong case for his vision.
That is how you repace an idea, with another totally different idea.
This just,ironically, may be the right time for Corbyn to capture any new mood with most voters.

[bots]

Somehow, I have a feeling voters generally are going to give Jeremy a chance, sometimes no matter what it is, negative things about a politician are not able to be made to stick.

Somehow Jeremy has acquired admiration and respect from voters and particularly younger and those who will be voting in 2020.

The bad mouthing of him may well backfire on those doing it and if he can convincingly have a team more often than not in the forefront of political debate,making the strong case for his vision.
That is how you repace an idea, with another totally different idea.
This just,ironically, may be the right time for Corbyn to capture any new mood with most voters.

I don't think the voters will have any say in how things pan out next (well not until its a fait accompli) The real power brokers, and senior figures within the party will first try and oust Corbyn. If thats not successful, then they will take the influence and funding and create a breakaway. Corbyn is not electable.

[arista]

JC has spoken to Reporters
saying Syria has not even come up.
He will not be pushed


Last night a SkyNewsHD crew ran after him
for many minutes but he would not give a word
even shown on other news stations.


It was late night
he is free to not talk

[joeysteele]

I don't think the voters will have any say in how things pan out next (well not until its a fait accompli) The real power brokers, and senior figures within the party will first try and oust Corbyn. If thats not successful, then they will take the influence and funding and create a breakaway. Corbyn is not electable.

I have no doubt if Labours fortunes do not improve in local elections, by elections and the polling generally,he will be challenged and gone in 3 years max.

If however,he does good in local elections, if the tide appears to be starting to turn back a bit in Scotland and should the polling improve,then Labour is not likely to want to see any challenge as the hierarchy of Labour do not like leaders to be seemingly stabbed in the back.

I see no possibility of a breakaway, the Lib Dems are even more in the doldrums than Labour.Few in Labour would even want to talk to the Lib Dems let alone have anything to do in future closely with them.
UKIP has no appeal to the MPs who have chosen to go to the backbenches either,no way.

Go off an form a new party, 'another one', they would all see that as a disaster waiting to happen,I cannot see that coming about.

In the 80s, such a break was done by 4 who had been very high profile cabinet ministers.Roy Jenkins,Shirley Williams,David Owen and Bill Rodgers.
Certainly as to the first 3, there are none of the current disaffected former cabinet members who could command in any way the profile and attention of the 80s breakaways.

Politics is littered with people who felt they could do better out of their main parties,I cannot see that happening this time at all really.

It well be an interesting thing to watch how things develop however.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can see him and Nigel getting on well

(no Im not joking either)

[Kizzy]

All we need is for the SNP to cock up like the lib dems did, if they are seen to be getting into bed with the tories then Labour will be back in Scotland.

[Kizzy]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03439/corbyn-frontbench_3439601b.jpg

Doesn't he look smart? :)

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/14/15/article-3233897-2C4E80FA00000578-626_964x442.jpg
Yes he is ready for for Weds PMQ's

[JoshBB]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/14/15/article-3233897-2C4E80FA00000578-626_964x442.jpg
Yes he is ready for for Weds PMQ's

16 women and 15 men.

Hysterical that people accused him of being anti-women. First time a cabinet has more women than men too. I like the balance.

[bots]

16 women and 15 men.

Hysterical that people accused him of being anti-women. First time a cabinet has more women than men too. I like the balance.

but proportions of women in a cabinet mean **** all. This is why i could never ever vote for labour. The most capable person should be the one chosen to do the job, and if that means its 30 women or 30 men, then so be it

[JoshBB]

but proportions of women in a cabinet mean **** all. This is why i could never ever vote for labour. The most capable person should be the one chosen to do the job, and if that means its 30 women or 30 men, then so be it

I agree that tokenism is annoying (and inherently pointless to what it hopes to achieve), but I do feel like the women appointed to the cabinet are also decent and good choices.

I don't know why this issue in particular is why you'd never vote Labour though.

[bots]

I agree that tokenism is annoying (and inherently pointless to what it hopes to achieve), but I do feel like the women appointed to the cabinet are also decent and good choices.

I don't know why this issue in particular is why you'd never vote Labour though.

that type of thinking is prevalent throughout all the ranks in the labour party, it leads to a party of positive discrimination, where the best people to do the jobs are overlooked at every level. It is a system championed by labour, and it sucks.

[user104658]

All we need is for the SNP to cock up like the lib dems did, if they are seen to be getting into bed with the tories then Labour will be back in Scotland.
They're unlikely to get into bed with Labour, however, I can see SNP support starting to drop before the next election unless they significantly up their game. It's been a year since the referendum promises were made, and 6 months since the GE, and thus far, they really haven't done anything. They've talked a big talk but I've seen very little in terms of them actually really doing anything meaningful, and that's going to be a problem for them. They need to make a real impact for Scotland and the Scottish people who voted for them, really cushion the country from Tory influence, or else those voters are going to wonder what the point was.

[Kizzy]

Well the Scottish first ministers opinion on trident matches Corbyns so I can see a warming ... nothing nuclear but a warming :laugh:

[JoshBB]

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm open to a Labour/SNP coalition. Nicola probably wouldn't want or need independence with Corbyn as pm.

[Johnnyuk123]

GREAT RESULT!!! Conservatives in power for the next 50 years! Thanks!

[MTVN]

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm open to a Labour/SNP coalition. Nicola probably wouldn't want or need independence with Corbyn as pm.

Of course she would, and the Scottish Independence movement is bigger than one political faction

[user104658]

Of course she would, and the Scottish Independence movement is bigger than one political faction
Indeed - I know many pro-indy Scots (myself included) who desperately wanted a "yes" in the referendum, but would have been unlikely to align with the SNP in an independent Scotland.

[joeysteele]

but proportions of women in a cabinet mean **** all. This is why i could never ever vote for labour. The most capable person should be the one chosen to do the job, and if that means its 30 women or 30 men, then so be it

3 of the higher profile Labour women chose 'not' to be considered for a cabinet post.
He couldn't force them too.

He had nothing to do with the leader or deputy leader elections, those who voted decided on a male leader and male deputy leader.
He has more women in the cabintet for the first time ever.

Yvette Cooper had she not resigned may have got the Home sectretary post.

Of the 3 main posts in the Conservative party there is one one women there in as Home Secretary and what a waste of space she is with respect, how she has held that post so long is beyond belief.

Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper,Caroline Flint and certainly likely Rachel Reeves could have got a main post.
They chose to pick their toys up and run away,that is pathetic of them.
Even Tony Blair had misgivings as many of Neil kinnocks policies but he served in the shadow cabinet.

We have no idea yet as to whether those he has picked will do well or badly in their posts but at least they should be given the chance too.
Far better than possibly able individuals but ones who would run away at the sight of any major challenge or disagreement.

[Kizzy]

3 of the higher profile Labour women chose 'not' to be considered for a cabinet post.
He couldn't force them too.

He had nothing to do with the leader or deputy leader elections, those who voted decided on a male leader and male deputy leader.
He has more women in the cabintet for the first time ever.

Yvette Cooper had she not resigned may have got the Home sectretary post.

Of the 3 main posts in the Conservative party there is one one women there in as Home Secretary and what a waste of space she is with respect, how she has held that post so long is beyond belief.

Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper,Caroline Flint and certainly likely Rachel Reeves could have got a main post.
They chose to pick their toys up and run away,that is pathetic of them.
Even Tony Blair had misgivings as many of Neil kinnocks policies but he served in the shadow cabinet.

We have no idea yet as to whether those he has picked will do well or badly in their posts but at least they should be given the chance too.
Far better than possibly able individuals but ones who would run away at the sight of any major challenge or disagreement.

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[MTVN]

The gender ratio is just tokenism by Corbyn. The whole thing was a shambles where he only started appointing several women because his aides told him they were taking "a fair amount of **** out there about women". He's even made up new roles just to meet that 50% female pledge so that there is now a 'Shadow Young People and Voter Registration Minister'

There might be only one woman in the cabinet for the great offices of state but that is one more than Corbyn's shadow cabinet. And actually, though people like to forget it, Cameron has presided over a big increase in the number of women being appointed to cabinet posts.

[Kizzy]

I think it's being used as another excuse to discredit Jeremy Corbyn, it's overshadowing anything and everything else and in my opinion it's being done as spin to detract from the trade union debate.

[joeysteele]

The gender ratio is just tokenism by Corbyn. The whole thing was a shambles where he only started appointing several women because his aides told him they were taking "a fair amount of **** out there about women". He's even made up new roles just to meet that 50% female pledge so that there is now a 'Shadow Young People and Voter Registration Minister'

There might be only one woman in the cabinet for the great offices of state but that is one more than Corbyn's shadow cabinet. And actually, though people like to forget it, Cameron has presided over a big increase in the number of women being appointed to cabinet posts.

With respect,Cameron increased his women in cabinet from a far lower base than Labour ever has had recently.
Just 2 years ago, he had no women at all on his front bench.

In the last Labour shadow cabinet Harriett Harman was deputy leader and Yvette Cooper shadow home secretary.
Neither not being there now is anything Corbyn could do anything about, Harman stood down and despite 3 women up for election for Deputy leader they did not get elected.
That is democracy.

Yvette Cooper then,despite having praise heaped on her by Jeremy Corbyn for her stand as to the refugees.
Also chose to walk away.
Not his fault again.

For ages now only Theresa May has held a high post in this govt.
Think of the women who have had high posts in Labour govts, Jacqui Smith and Margaret Beckett who achieved Home secretary and Foreign secretary at times in their career.

Labour actually has a far better record of rewarding women for their hard work than the Conservative party, even during the time when they had a Female leader in Margaret Thatcher.

[MTVN]

With respect,Cameron increased his women in cabinet from a far lower base than Labour ever has had recently.
Just 2 years ago, he had no women at all on his front bench.

In the last Labour shadow cabinet Harriett Harman was deputy leader and Yvette Cooper shadow home secretary.
Neither not being there now is anything Corbyn could do anything about, Harman stood down and despite 3 women up for election for Deputy leader they did not get elected.
That is democracy.

Yvette Cooper then,despite having praise heaped on her by Jeremy Corbyn for her stand as to the refugees.
Also chose to walk away.
Not his fault again.

For ages now only Theresa May has held a high post in this govt.
Think of the women who have had high posts in Labour govts, Jacqui Smith and Margaret Beckett who achieved Home secretary and Foreign secretary at times in their career.

Labour actually has a far better record of rewarding women for their hard work than the Conservative party, even during the time when they had a Female leader in Margaret Thatcher.

True but that is a legacy of the previous Tory leadership who have never been too concerned with such things. Cameron has sought to change that and there is now a record number of female ministers and more than Brown had in his Labour cabinet

We all knew that a lot of senior Labour figures would not serve under Corbyn: Cooper, Kendall and several others made that clear all through the leadership election and he must have been prepared for that. Yet he made the pledge that half of his shadow cabinet would be women. He might have lived up to that on the numbers alone but the reality is he has done it through bending the rules once criticism started coming in and he has not appointed any women to the great offices of state. It is not as if he had no choice but to appoint the people he did: even his supports were warning against picking someone like McDonnell as shadow chancellor and he could have easily given that role to Angela Eagle instead.

[kirklancaster]

With respect,Cameron increased his women in cabinet from a far lower base than Labour ever has had recently.
Just 2 years ago, he had no women at all on his front bench.

In the last Labour shadow cabinet Harriett Harman was deputy leader and Yvette Cooper shadow home secretary.
Neither not being there now is anything Corbyn could do anything about, Harman stood down and despite 3 women up for election for Deputy leader they did not get elected.
That is democracy.

Yvette Cooper then,despite having praise heaped on her by Jeremy Corbyn for her stand as to the refugees.
Also chose to walk away.
Not his fault again.

For ages now only Theresa May has held a high post in this govt.
Think of the women who have had high posts in Labour govts, Jacqui Smith and Margaret Beckett who achieved Home secretary and Foreign secretary at times in their career.

Labour actually has a far better record of rewarding women for their hard work than the Conservative party, even during the time when they had a Female leader in Margaret Thatcher.

And some Labour women - Jacqui Smith in particular - have a far better record of rewarding themselves.

[JoshBB]

The gender ratio is just tokenism by Corbyn. The whole thing was a shambles where he only started appointing several women because his aides told him they were taking "a fair amount of **** out there about women". He's even made up new roles just to meet that 50% female pledge so that there is now a 'Shadow Young People and Voter Registration Minister'

There might be only one woman in the cabinet for the great offices of state but that is one more than Corbyn's shadow cabinet. And actually, though people like to forget it, Cameron has presided over a big increase in the number of women being appointed to cabinet posts.

I guess one could say these comments kind of cancel each other out?? If Corbyn appoints a majority female cabinet then it's tokenism, but when Cameron has one of the "top jobs" (who decided they were top jobs but not health/education??) then he's some kind of feminist icon..

[JoshBB]

[double post]

[MTVN]

I guess one could say these comments kind of cancel each other out?? If Corbyn appoints a majority female cabinet then it's tokenism, but when Cameron has one of the "top jobs" (who decided they were top jobs but not health/education??) then he's some kind of feminist icon..

Nope just pointing out that for all Corbyn's bluster and boasting this is not as big an achievement as he is making it out to be

[arista]

Today JC was speaking at TUC
then rushed back to London to Vote in Parliament

Another Busy day
he must try to fit in a Live Ch4HD News
Adam Bolton Show PM SkyNewsHD
and BBC2HD Newsnight interviews

[DemolitionRed]

Since Corbyn won, a record number of the public have joined the labour party :)

[DemolitionRed]

I think the labour party will implode within a year. It will either get another new leader or there will be the breakaway social democrats mark 2. Its untenable as it is now.

Do you mean democratic socialism breakaway? There is a big difference between 'SD' and 'DS'.