UK General election June 8 2017

[Withano]

I love Boris. That 52% are just jelly.

[Denver]

873729465616150528

They are ****ed regardless.

Screaming at the labour fans voting in a poll that dont concern them

[Oliver_W]

Screaming at the labour fans voting in a poll that dont concern them

It would be funny if they weren't so tragic. The Tories should just ignore Corbyn throwing gauntlets around like it's going out of fashion, and focus on getting on with things, including a new leader if necessary :)

[Withano]

Screaming at the labour fans voting in a poll that dont concern them

The next pm doesnt concern labour fans?

[Brother Leon]

Screaming at the labour fans voting in a poll that dont concern them

It's YouGov. You know, the Poll that Torries were laughing at when it only had a 4% difference. Put some respect on their name :hee:

[Denver]

The next pm doesnt concern labour fans?

They have no choice in the matter

[Kizzy]

This ain't over....

'Theresa May’s grip on power is faltering after she was forced to retract her claim that a deal had been struck for the Democratic Unionists to prop her up.

In a night of farce, No 10 first announced that an agreement had been reached – only to release a second statement, just five hours later, admitting it had not.

The DUP issued its own statement, dismissing the claim of a deal, apparently angry at the attempt to bounce the party into signing up before it was ready.'

:D


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-democratic-unionist-party-pact-coalition-confidence-and-supply-deal-agreement-gavin-a7784136.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[Kizzy]

Jeremy Corbyn has predicted Theresa May will be forced into another general election within months, insisting: “We are ready any time.”

A buoyant Labour leader – appearing in a TV interview, while the Prime Minister was absent – predicted her attempt to cobble together a deal with the DUP would fall apart.

“I think it’s quite possible there will be an election later this year – or early next year,” Mr Corbyn told the BBC’s Andrew Marr programme.'

:cheer2: :cheer2:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-andrew-marr-general-election-theresa-may-labour-conservatives-a7784201.html

[user104658]

I'm honestly not sure I can handle any more. Ehhhhrrrgh. I mean I know that realistically there's very little choice but honestly...

[Brillopad]

Jeremy Corbyn has predicted Theresa May will be forced into another general election within months, insisting: “We are ready any time.”

A buoyant Labour leader – appearing in a TV interview, while the Prime Minister was absent – predicted her attempt to cobble together a deal with the DUP would fall apart.

“I think it’s quite possible there will be an election later this year – or early next year,” Mr Corbyn told the BBC’s Andrew Marr programme.'

:cheer2: :cheer2:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-andrew-marr-general-election-theresa-may-labour-conservatives-a7784201.html

A good dose of wishful thinking and bravado.

[Kizzy]

Jez you can! :smug:

[Withano]

They have no choice in the matter

Nor do tory fans lol.

[Cherie]

I'm honestly not sure I can handle any more. Ehhhhrrrgh. I mean I know that realistically there's very little choice but honestly...

Feel the same, May created a perfect storm for Jezza with her diabolical policies attacking her core voters, no show at debates and absolute arrogance, put someone half decent in heading up the Tories and bring out a palatable manifesto they could snatch back their majority

[Brillopad]

Jez you can! :smug:

Obsession. :shrug:

[Withano]

So without the DUP, neither Labour or tories can get a majority. So what happens if they just dont do anything? Will it go to the most seats wins or does there have to be a new election?

[user104658]

So without the DUP, neither Labour or tories can get a majority. So what happens if they just dont do anything? Will it go to the most seats wins or does there have to be a new election?
There has to be another vote as far as I understand; "most seats wins" just doesn't work with our parliament because it would mean, effectively, that the government is always outnumbered.

[Kizzy]

Obsession. :shrug:

Can't decide if you're mocking or trolling... :/

[Withano]

There has to be another vote as far as I understand; "most seats wins" just doesn't work with our parliament because it would mean, effectively, that the government is always outnumbered.

Damn, imagine the plot twist if DUP refuse and turn out to be the good guys haha. :fc:

[Kizzy]

Tick tock.....

Theresa May’s fate could be decided as early as tomorrow, after a showdown meeting with her backbenchers was brought forward.

Graham Brady, the chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee, said he did not want MPs to have to wait until Tuesday for the crucial inquest with the Prime Minister.

As support drains away from Ms May, amid reports of a Cabinet plot to replace her, it sets the scene for her having to convince MPs face-to-face that she deserves to survive in No 10.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/1922-committee-chairman-graham-brady-parliament-government-election-meeting-resign-prime-minister-a7784231.html

[Kizzy]

Are you kidding me?!!!

'Jeremy Hunt remains health secretary

Jeremy Hunt is keeping his job, No 10 says.

Jeremy Hunt has been confirmed as secretary of state for health.

Hunt has now being doing this job for nearly five years. No one else in the cabinet has been in the same post for so long.'

GET THEM OUT!!!! :mad:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jun/11/hung-parliament-dup-boris-johnson-leadership-theresa-may-dismisses-as-tripe-claims-he-is-launching-leadership-bid

[Vicky.]

Are you kidding me?!!!

'Jeremy Hunt remains health secretary

Jeremy Hunt is keeping his job, No 10 says.

Jeremy Hunt has been confirmed as secretary of state for health.

Hunt has now being doing this job for nearly five years. No one else in the cabinet has been in the same post for so long.'

GET THEM OUT!!!! :mad:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jun/11/hung-parliament-dup-boris-johnson-leadership-theresa-may-dismisses-as-tripe-claims-he-is-launching-leadership-bid
I think Hunt is my most hated MP ever tbh. Now IDS has gone anyway...

He is ****ing useless at his job. It baffles me that he hangs onto it year after year

[King Gizzard]

Gove's back :joker: just goes from worse to worse for the Tories

[Alf]

YES!! Jeremy Hunt, my favourite.

Go Jerry!
Go Jerry!
Go Jerry!
Go Jerry!

[Alf]

We love Govey, he's so cute.

[bots]

Are you kidding me?!!!

'Jeremy Hunt remains health secretary

Jeremy Hunt is keeping his job, No 10 says.

Jeremy Hunt has been confirmed as secretary of state for health.

Hunt has now being doing this job for nearly five years. No one else in the cabinet has been in the same post for so long.'

GET THEM OUT!!!! :mad:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jun/11/hung-parliament-dup-boris-johnson-leadership-theresa-may-dismisses-as-tripe-claims-he-is-launching-leadership-bid

Contrary to the fantasy land that Corbyn and labour are in, the Conservatives are the only party that can govern without holding a new election. The conservatives did win the most seats and got the largest proportion of people voting for them. Labour got fewer seats and fewer votes. They lost.

The only person looking an idiot right now is Corbyn thinking he won.

[Greg!]

Bye apparently the DUP want Nigel Farage to take part in Brexit talks :umm2: Theresa babes why don't you just quit

[Vicky.]

Bye apparently the DUP want Nigel Farage to take part in Brexit talks :umm2: Theresa babes why don't you just quit

Ooh some on here will be chuffed to bits with that :laugh:

I thought the DUP didn't want a 'hard brexit' though?

[Kazanne]

Contrary to the fantasy land that Corbyn and labour are in, the Conservatives are the only party that can govern without holding a new election. The conservatives did win the most seats and got the largest proportion of people voting for them. Labour got fewer seats and fewer votes. They lost.

The only person looking an idiot right now is Corbyn thinking he won.

Spot on bots,

[Brother Leon]

Spot on bots,

Nah. That would be the so called Prime Minister and Cabinet In Power

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[joeysteele]

Nah. That would be the so called Prime Minister and Cabinet In Power

873963128702328832


Well one things for sure, in this election Labour has near halved the gap there was between them and the Cons.
They have won enough seats to also remove the overall majority the Cons had before it.

That show's clearly to anyone,as it did with the Cons towards Labour in 2005.
The govt in decline and the opposition in the ascendency.
That is a fact.

Before this election, Mrs May could govern alone with an overall majority with no fear of an election.
Now, she would be defeated and have to hold one,without the DUP now backing her.

Labour's numbers are increased,the govt is weaker and can only now just govern with another party helping her now.
Someone is going up and someone is coming down and it's not Labour and Corbyn coming down.

Never let facts get in the way of prejudiced hate however.

[reece(:]

Gove's back :joker: just goes from worse to worse for the Tories

Embarrassing

[Kizzy]

Already looking after their own...

Private schools are set to get tax rebates totalling £522m over the next five years as a result of their controversial status as charities, according to a study of local council records.

Charitable organisations in England and Wales are entitled to relief of 80% on the business rates payable on the buildings they use, and some of the country’s best-known private schools qualify under the rules.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/11/private-schools-tax-charitable-status-eton-dulwich-college

[DemolitionRed]

YES!! Jeremy Hunt, my favourite.

Go Jerry!
Go Jerry!
Go Jerry!
Go Jerry!

What's good about Jeremy Hunt?

[Alf]

What's good about Jeremy Hunt?I like his socks.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article856239.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Culture%20Secretary%20Jeremy%20Hunt%20returns%20to %20his%20house%20after%20a%20jog,%20on%20the%20day %20he%20is%20to%20appear%20before%20the%20Leveson% 20Inquiry

[Vicky.]

He looks like John Terry there D: I dislike him even more

[joeysteele]

Hunt's continued role as Health secretary shows she has learned nothing from her rejection of her ideal scenario by voters.

Then again she is very fond of and a known strong supporter of hunts.

[reece(:]

The South Northamptonshire MP Andrea Leadsom has been made Leader of the House of Commons in the Cabinet reshuffle following the General Election.

Mrs Leadsom, who contested the Conservative leadership against Theresa May in 2016, was moved from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs where she was Secretary of State.

Andrea Leadsom has been an MP since 2010 and was a leading campaigner for leaving the European Union.

Her majority in South Northamptonshire was cut from 26,416 to 22,840 in the General Election.

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2017-06-11/northamptonshire-mp-moved-in-cabinet-reshuffle/
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[Kizzy]

Mystic kiz predicts another election ...

[Alf]

Mystic kiz predicts another election ...You don't need to be psychic to predict that. One day in the future, there will be another election.

I'd admire your psychic powers more, if you had time and dates?

[Kizzy]

You don't need to be psychic to predict that. One day in the future, there will be another election.

I'd admire your psychic powers more, if you had time and dates?

Um... october 2017

[King Gizzard]

it'd be a disaster that early, the voting turnout would be horrific. Half the country would be apathetic towards it

[King Gizzard]

Having said that, more people might register and vote for King Corbs if they knew he was so close last time and their vote actually matters.

[Jack_]

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:cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:

[King Gizzard]

Something really really grates on me about him even if I do agree with him on practically everything

[Jack_]

He's lovely :nono:

[Alf]

Something really really grates on me about him even if I do agree with him on practically everythingCould it be that he's an anti-democratic little weasel faced arse (or is that arsed faced weasel)?:shrug:

[King Gizzard]

I think it's not him himself, it's just that he makes himself an easy target to righty trolls. Bit like Abbott (who I also like). and theres about 439489x more trolls on the right.

[Jack_]

Could it be that he's an anti-democratic little weasel faced arse (or is that arsed faced weasel)?:shrug:

lol I don't know where you get this crap from but it's not healthy wherever it is

[Brother Leon]

Corbyn needs to sit back and let the Torries destroy themselves. Between the Brexit deal, DUP and the inevitable infighting , they are only going to implode. Corbyn can pounce at the start of the new year when May is displaced and a new election is called.

[James]

I think a lot of people are getting politics-ed out with all these elections and referendums. One of the initial reasons that Theresa May lost support was (probably) that she called an early election.

[Alf]

lol I don't know where you get this crap from but it's not healthy wherever it isI follow him on twitter, so I get it straight from him.

What's he doing this week? He's organising a protest against the election result.

[Jack_]

I follow him on twitter, so I get it straight from him.

What's he doing this week? He's organising a protest against the election result.

By 'this crap' I mean the notion that him and others are anti-democratic. Protesting is in fact an exercise of a democratic right. People on this forum and outside of it need to learn that democracy doesn't begin and end with an election or referendum, all dissenting opinions and opposition are not expected to just put up and shut up for the five years following one - a one-party state quasi dictatorship might've been what Theresa Mayhem was hoping for, but that's not how it works I'm afraid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just wish she would come out and say

I made a mistake, my campaign and manifesto was fecking ****e and i am sorry but hey ho we still somehow won so lets get on with it

But no, she has to pretend it all never happened

she actually needs to say sorry for the whole fiasco


Then again has anyone seen Cameron?

[Vicky.]

I follow him on twitter, so I get it straight from him.

What's he doing this week? He's organising a protest against the election result.

Sorry, isn't it his job as leader of the opposition to...oppose? :laugh:

[Tom4784]

By 'this crap' I mean the notion that him and others are anti-democratic. Protesting is in fact an exercise of a democratic right. People on this forum and outside of it need to learn that democracy doesn't begin and end with an election or referendum, all dissenting opinions and opposition are not expected to just put up and shut up for the five years following one - a one-party state quasi dictatorship might've been what Theresa Mayhem was hoping for, but that's not how it works I'm afraid.

Preach, those kinds of people act like they are in favour of democracy but behave more like they want a dictatorship as long as the dictator is the one they prefer.

People are allowed to be angry at a result, if the referendum turned up a Remain result and Labour won a majority then we'd certainly have gotten a massive reaction from the opposing sides. I still believe that, if Remain won, there would have been a lot of violent incidents as a result simply because the act of Leave winning resulted in a rise of hate crime. If 'Traitor' Corbyn got in, his detractors certainly would not be telling everyone to support the democratic process.

[Alf]

Sorry, isn't it his job as leader of the opposition to...oppose? :laugh:Are we talking about the same person?

[Jack_]

Preach, those kinds of people act like they are in favour of democracy but behave more like they want a dictatorship as long as the dictator is the one they prefer.

People are allowed to be angry at a result, if the referendum turned up a Remain result and Labour won a majority then we'd certainly have gotten a massive reaction from the opposing sides. I still believe that, if Remain won, there would have been a lot of violent incidents as a result simply because the act of Leave winning resulted in a rise of hate crime. If 'Traitor' Corbyn got in, his detractors certainly would not be telling everyone to support the democratic process.

It always brings me back to their hero Farage saying in the lead up to the EU referendum that a 48-52 win for Remain would be 'unfinished business by a long way'. The same result comes to fruition for Leave and lo and behold any opposition must be silenced, we must 'crush the saboteurs', we are all undemocratic etc.

[Vicky.]

Sorry, isn't it his job as leader of the opposition to...oppose? :laugh:

Erm I think so. I took 'anti-democratic little weasel faced arse (or is that arsed faced weasel)' to be Corbyn? :laugh: I may have misread somewhere along the thread

[Alf]

Erm I think so. I took 'anti-democratic little weasel faced arse (or is that arsed faced weasel)' to be Corbyn? :laugh: I may have misread somewhere along the threadDo keep up Victoria, we're talking Owen 'Weasel' Jones

[Vicky.]

Ohh right. I follow him on facebook and he was extremely anti-Corbyn until he result. He said sorry now.

I think he talks a lot of sense a lot of the time but I disagree strongly with a lot of his views.

He did a great job with his facebook campaign like. I didn't know he was organizing a protest...

[Crimson Dynamo]

It always brings me back to their hero Farage saying in the lead up to the EU referendum that a 48-52 win for Remain would be 'unfinished business by a long way'. The same result comes to fruition for Leave and lo and behold any opposition must be silenced, we must 'crush the saboteurs', we are all undemocratic etc.

sorry but who on earth are you on about?

:shrug:

[smudgie]

Erm I think so. I took 'anti-democratic little weasel faced arse (or is that arsed faced weasel)' to be Corbyn? :laugh: I may have misread somewhere along the thread

:joker::joker: not Vicky letting us know what she thinks Corbyn looks like.:laugh:

[Vicky.]

:joker::joker: not Vicky letting us know what she thinks Corbyn looks like.:laugh:

:D No comment

[Jack_]

Two front-page stories I found interesting:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCJl4f9XcAEh-KY.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCJobgSXYAEp2Ns.jpg:large

The mathematical makeup of this parliament should hopefully lead to a cross-party involvement in the Brexit process. I think that'd be the fairest way, this is a national issue and should be properly debated and scrutinised. Mayhem wanted a carte blanche mandate to do what she liked and hopefully she won't be allowed to

And secondly, the end of austerity (though I'll believe it when I see it!) can only be a good thing. Mind you, I fully expect the Tories to shift closer to the centre now and with a more 'moderate' leader they'll be in better shape for the next election...so perhaps a warped part of me wants them to continue with their ruinous policies?

[arista]

another Front page for Tuesday 13th
for chewy

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/588dpkRhRqKYxc67wwNI_mirrornewtues.JPG

[arista]

The free paper
ideal for HOG

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/rl7NHTJS2yBNahRebEt1_metromonnew.JPG

[DemolitionRed]

Two front-page stories I found interesting:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCJl4f9XcAEh-KY.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCJobgSXYAEp2Ns.jpg:large

The mathematical makeup of this parliament should hopefully lead to a cross-party involvement in the Brexit process. I think that'd be the fairest way, this is a national issue and should be properly debated and scrutinised. Mayhem wanted a carte blanche mandate to do what she liked and hopefully she won't be allowed to

And secondly, the end of austerity (though I'll believe it when I see it!) can only be a good thing. Mind you, I fully expect the Tories to shift closer to the centre now and with a more 'moderate' leader they'll be in better shape for the next election...so perhaps a warped part of me wants them to continue with their ruinous policies?

My husband woke me up this morning to tell me this and I accused him of dreaming!

This is really good news for all of us (if the Tories do remain in government).

[Jack_]

Jeremy tearing the ****ing **** a new arsehole in parliament now :cheer2:

LIVING for him trotting out the coalition of chaos and strong and stable lines

[King Gizzard]

Get her Corbs

[bots]

Corbyn can bluster all he wants, he is not in power, he just makes himself look more stupid each day.

[Kazanne]

Jeremy tearing the ****ing **** a new arsehole in parliament now :cheer2:

LIVING for him trotting out the coalition of chaos and strong and stable lines

Calm down dear,calm down. :joker::joker::joker:

[the truth]

Corbyn can bluster all he wants, he is not in power, he just makes himself look more stupid each day.

Hes a very bad loser. But a loser nonetheless

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its easy to find fault when you are not in power nor never will be

[Jack_]

Calm down dear,calm down. :joker::joker::joker:

Hard to stay calm when disabled people are being killed and women being abused in detention centres

But whatever floats your strong and stable boat, I guess :shrug:

[user104658]

Corbyn can bluster all he wants, he is not in power, he just makes himself look more stupid each day.
Yeah! I mean, an opposition leader questioning the prime minister, pfft, who does he think he is, what a clown, doesn't he know how democracy works, she was elected fair and square, nothing more to be said, get over it, etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hard to stay calm when disabled people are being killed and women being abused in detention centres

But whatever floats your strong and stable boat, I guess :shrug:

jesus wept, reign in the melodrama

:bored:

[joeysteele]

Hard to stay calm when disabled people are being killed and women being abused in detention centres

But whatever floats your strong and stable boat, I guess :shrug:

Indeed Jack_
I totally get your anger and frustration.

[Kazanne]

Hard to stay calm when disabled people are being killed and women being abused in detention centres

But whatever floats your strong and stable boat, I guess :shrug:

A tad over dramatic there again.

[Jack_]

Yeah! I mean, an opposition leader questioning the prime minister, pfft, who does he think he is, what a clown, doesn't he know how democracy works, she was elected fair and square, nothing more to be said, get over it, etc.

The pre-election hubris of the Tories continues it seems, despite the fact they did not win this election - nobody did. And it's funny, because the reason they will now be so desperate to avoid another one anytime soon is because they actually fear Corbyn would become the next Prime Minister. No doubt this'll be mocked as per usual, but it's being given the nod by political journalists, and it's pretty obvious that they're on the ropes and Labour have strengthened despite the fact they were destined for oblivion.

I would never be so presumptious as to assume a Labour victory is inevitable at the next (no doubt not too far away) election, but they will win again one day, and my God am I going to have a field day on this forum. The wait will have been so, so worth it.

jesus wept, reign in the melodrama

:bored:

If you call caring about people other than oneself and not wanting the disabled to be left for dead 'melodrama' then that's okay, I tend to disagree though

[Kazanne]

Indeed Jack_
I totally get your anger and frustration.

It wont solve anything getting angry and frustrated,especially when the people you are angry and frustrated over don't even hear you Joey,and just WHO has TM killed that is disabled,because that is what is basically being said,which imo is ludicrous.

[Jack_]

A tad over dramatic there again.

Is it really though Kazanne?

http://calumslist.org

Lawrence Bond suffered from a heart condition, shortness of breath and struggled with mobility. His GP had reportedly also made two referrals for mental health services. But, despite all that, the 56-year-old was declared “fit to work” at an assessment in July.

As a result, Bond’s benefits were slashed and he was told to get down to his local Jobcentre in Kentish Town to look for work. He launched an appeal against the ruling, but had no other options while he waited. “His anxiety was getting worse as he could not pay bills and was afraid to leave home to go to the shops,” his sister explained.

Then, in January, as he travelled back from the Jobcentre, he collapsed and died of a heart attack.

The case of Lawrence Bond is not unique. 2016 figures showed that more than half of disabled people who appealed their “fit to work” assessment eventually got the decision overturned.

“We’re still seeing some really worrying things coming out of those assessments,” says Ayaz Manji from the mental health charity Mind. “There’s a lot of really poor decision-making. Lots of the people who make those assessments don’t understand mental health.

“We’ve seen people who’ve been denied the benefit because they’ve been described as ‘well-groomed’, or ‘able to look somebody in the eye’. But obviously those things aren’t a good indication of whether someone has a serious mental health problem that’s affecting their ability to work. Often the support that people get is quite generic and doesn’t really take their mental health into account.”

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2017/feb/23/disability-employment-gap-sanctions-cuts-and-death-after-fit-to-work-tests)

At least 2,600 sick and disabled people died shortly after being declared 'fit for work' by a Government contractor.

Figures released by the Department for Work and Pensions show that around 100 people per month died shortly after being ruled well enough to take a job.
Officials from Iain Duncan Smith's department insist the overall mortality rate for people on out-of-work benefits, and specifically sickness and disability benefits, has fallen every year over the last decade in line with the rest of the population.

But critics demanded an inquiry as it emerged that, over a period of two years, 2,380 people died within 14 days of being taken off Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) because they were declared 'fit to work' by a controversial assessment process.

A further 270 died within six weeks of being taken off Incapacity Benefit or Severe Disablement Allowance – older benefits which are now being phased out – taking the total to 2,650 between December 2011 and February 2014.

Atos, the French firm which carried out the assessments for the DWP, ended its contract with the Government earlier this year, after a series of complaints that people were wrongly recommended for work.

Claimants for ESA must have this Work Capability Assessment, and are divided into a 'work-related activity group' who could do some work with the right help, and a 'support group' who are not expected to work. Around two million assessments have been carried out since 2010.


Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213051/Almost-2-400-people-declared-fit-work-taken-benefits-controversial-government-crackdown-dead-TWO-WEEKS.html)

Theresa May 'allowed state-sanctioned abuse of women' at Yarl's Wood

Shadow home secretary criticises minister after TV documentary alleges rape and self-harm at detention centre were ignored

Theresa May, the home secretary, has been accused of allowing the “state-sponsored abuse of women” at the Yarl’s Wood detention centre after a Channel 4 investigation uncovered guards ignoring self-harm and referring to inmates in racist terms.

Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, said it was a “disgrace” that May had refused to come to the House of Commons to answer an urgent question about the mistreatment of detainees, sending a junior minister instead.

She also laid into the home secretary for last November extending the contract for Serco to run Yarl’s Wood, despite allegations about abuse, sexual exploitation, rape and self-harm at the centre in Bedfordshire.

She told the Commons: “There is no point in ministers pretending to be shocked at news of abuse. This is not news. Even now, the ministers have not set up an independent inquiry. Serco has … This is state-sanctioned abuse of women on the home secretary’s watch and it needs to end now.”

The three-month undercover investigation by Channel 4 news filmed Serco guards describing various detainees as “black bitch”, “animals”, “beasties” and “evil”. At one point a guard was filmed commenting: “They are all slashing their wrists, apparently. Let them slash their wrists ... It’s attention-seeking.”

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/03/yarls-wood-may-state-sanctioned-abuse-women)

Yarl’s Wood is the ‘ruthless border policy’ Theresa May doesn’t want you to hear about

UK law allows migrants to be detained indefinitely, without trial, despite a 2015 parliamentary report which showed spending more than 28 days in detention can be “catastrophic” for detainees’ health. We are alone among the nations of Europe in practicing this. It is why, last December, I joined the ranks of protesters marching through the soggy Bedfordshire countryside to the infamous Yarl’s Wood Immigration Detention Centre, where hundreds of migrants are incarcerated.

Reports of human rights violations

The demonstration was the fifth of its kind organised by the activist group ‘Movement for Justice by Any Means Necessary’. They started in March 2015, with a single coachload of London-based activists and some hand-painted signs. This time, 2000 people descended on Yarl’s Wood, hailing from as far afield as Liverpool, Sheffield and Bristol. We chanted, we whooped, we hammered on the high gates separating the crowd from the main buildings – where we could see the inmates waving white flags from their windows, chanting back at us.

Torn from their families, they live shadowed with the threat of removal to countries where they could face violence or death. Over a tannoy system, they told the assembled crowd that they were paid £1/hour to clean their own cells, that they are not allowed even the small amount of freedom that regular prisoners get; that tuberculosis was spreading through the centre and no medical attention had been provided.

Since its opening in 2001, the Serco-run facility has been dogged by reports of sexual abuse and human rights violations. Untroubled by such accusations, the government has rewarded Serco for its efforts with a new 8-year contract to run the centre to the tune of £70 million. Perhaps this is unsurprising behaviour from administration which talks about the ECHR as a point of tiresome bureaucracy.



The Independent (https://inews.co.uk/opinion/yarls-wood-ruthless-border-policy-theresa-may-doesnt-want-remember-general-election/)

Inside Britain's 'worst' immigration removal centre at Christmas

Yarl's Wood has a reputation for being the UK's worst immigration removal centre. Radhika Sanghani goes inside and finds women struggling to gain access to medicine, counselling and basic privacy

Shona* is 25-years-old. A month ago she was preparing to graduate from university after studying Law. Now she’s imprisoned inside the notorious Yarl’s Wood detention centre and has no idea if she’ll be released or sent back to a horrific fate in Zimbabwe.

“It’s so bad here,” she tells me. “I cannot believe this is happening. I should be graduating right now but instead I’m spending Christmas here. I had to miss my own graduation ceremony. I’m so terrified and the conditions here are very bad.

“It's my first Christmas inside so I don't really know how things go but I'm not looking forward to it. What I know is my day will end in tears.”

Shona has lived in the UK since 2008 when she escaped from Zimbabwe, as her mother was a supporter of the opposing political party and had been threatened by Government officials. Shona says that if she’d stayed she would have become a ‘disappeared girl’.

When I ask what that means, she explains that she would have been tortured and eventually killed or sold into slavery. If she is sent back now, that same fate will await her.

Shona claimed asylum as soon as she landed in the UK alone. Officials put her up in Newcastle, and a charity helped her to gain a place at Teeside University, and paid for her education. She has been checking in at a police station regularly ever since, and has not heard anything more about her asylum status. But last month, when she went for a regular check in, she was suddenly taken to a cell.

“I did not see a single face or hear the voice of another detainee. I was locked up for 38 hours with no exercise - every hour seemed like a year,” she says. “I started to challenge my mind to find the difference between a criminal and an asylum seeker. That day l felt like a criminal offender. As an asylum seeker we seek sanctuary but here in the UK we are treated as the outcast and the same way as the prisoners are treated.”

Shona was taken to Yarl’s Wood where she has been for over a month. This is because she was never officially given legal status in the UK. It is one of the UK’s 13 immigration removal centres, but is commonly known as the ‘worst’ after its endless reports of sexual abuse, hunger strikes and shocking healthcare. The centre is mainly for women – there are a few men in a separate unit – and children are no longer allowed to be held there, after an investigation suggested they were being badly treated.

The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11308434/Yarls-Wood-Inside-Britains-worst-immigration-removal-centre-at-Christmas.html)

I don't know why I'm bothering, because as the last seven weeks have proven, no amount of evidence will ever diminish the invisibility cloak that the Conservative Party have. So long as they trot out a few soundbites, they can do no wrong.

[the truth]

Hard to stay calm when disabled people are being killed and women being abused in detention centres

But whatever floats your strong and stable boat, I guess :shrug:

more people were starving to death in hospital wards under labour, 100s starved to death in just 1 hospital, the debts of the nhs gre out of control as did the middle management wage bill, oh and we had the highest rates of mrsa (Filth) in the western world the economy went bankrupt so austerity is their fault, the disability living allowances now PIPS has increased for those who receive it. There are 1000s of illegitimate claimants now not on it which has saved the tax payer a few billion. BUT sadly very sadly there are some who have slipped through the net and lost their PIPS and the stress of reapplying was too much for them and in some cases we have seen suicides. Sadly suicides were ignored by the left for decades, especially male suicide which is proved by the total lack of funding for male support organizations under labour

[Jack_]

You certainly don't need to tell me about male suicides being ignored, it's a huge problem and and as I have said in past years on here, does IMO stem in part from oppressive gender structures.

I don't need lecturing on the past New Labour government either. I've acknowledged their many failures on several occasions (and I'll point out at this juncture that a couple of the issues I've already raised in this thread had the groundwork laid under the last Labour government), and don't disagree with much of what you've written. The difference is that Labour under Blair and Brown is very, very different from Labour under Corbyn. The ideological differences couldn't be more stark, so it's a moot argument.

[the truth]

You certainly don't need to tell me about male suicides being ignored, it's a huge problem and and as I have said in past years on here, does IMO stem in part from oppressive gender structures.

I don't need lecturing on the past New Labour government either. I've acknowledged their many failures on several occasions (and I'll point out at this juncture that a couple of the issues I've already raised in this thread had the groundwork laid under the last Labour government), and don't disagree with much of what you've written. The difference is that Labour under Blair and Brown is very, very different from Labour under Corbyn. The ideological differences couldn't be more stark, so it's a moot argument.

male suicide is a direct result of mens lives being less valued than womens. billions less funding for their mental health, their cancer rates, there is no refuge for abused men, they lose 80%+ of divorces as the courts are biased towards mothers. 50% grow up fatherless because of the bias in the court system, less than 2% prrimary teachers are men because theyre scared they may be accused of perversion oh and nearly all manual industrial jobs have either gone or have gone to immigrants.....so young blokes are absolutely totally screwed and are jumping off bridges in record numbers because of it


Its still labour and many of the faces are still the same from abbott to burnham, harmon , thornberry and co
The party is an absolute shambles and as for comrade corbyn, the man has shown nothing with regards running a successful economy. He has shown nothing in terms of rebuilding town centres, supporting sme's , reducing the massive waste in labour led councils especially....In sorting out the roads...What about labours gp contract in 2004 allowing 90% of gp's to opt out of working out of hours? what kind of insanity is that? He ignored this massive factor which has caused the doctors crisis in the first place... even the fact the new gp contract is 19 hours less in england? and corbyn has said absolutely nothing. He has voted against every anti terror bill, he has tried to claim terrorism is happening purely because of 1) police cuts and 2) foreign policy ummm try radical islam jeremy? try open borders jeremy? try allowing known terrorists who walk the street jeremy, 1000s of them who have simply not been arrested or deported? the man couldnt even denounce the ira

I like some of his ideas, but he has failed to put meat on the bones, failed to surround himself with credible people, failed to answer endless questions...the man has waited 40 odd years for a position of some power and when it came he was too damn spineless to answer most of the questions and give a full and frank opinion

I also have to add his contant line about manchester pre election "its tragic to see so many women and girls killed, was played right from the bottom deck to appeal to female voters. men died too. why the hell seperate the genders of people murdered by psychos?

[Jack_]

Yes, the name is the same. But the ideological and policy platform of the party is in complete contrast to what it was ten years ago. There's no argument to be had here.

Some of those reasons you cite for male suicide are true, but the overarching theme of male's mental health is always that it is not seen as 'manly' to open up and talk about it. People don't realise just how damaging the very phrase 'man up' actually is, or indeed how stupid it sounds. Until we as a society can have a serious debate about the socially constructed notions about what it means to be a 'man', along with some of the other issues you've raised, we will change nothing.

Again, I'm not getting into the previous Labour governments policies because it's not relevant. Nor am I going to enter a discussion about their policy platform at this election, since it's over and there's no point getting into the nuances of a campaign we've just endured for seven weeks. I will concede however that while much of the manifesto was great, it needs work in a few areas - and being clearer on concessions to SMEs and the self-employed is crucial to winning over parts of the electorate that aren't yet convinced. Hopefully they'll work on this.

And on the anti-terror legislation point, again, we'd be entering pre-election campaign territory again and it's futile. All I'll say is that several members of the cabinet, as well as Theresa May herself, have voted against or abstained on much of that legislation. It was trotted out as a last ditch fear mongering attempt, when in actual fact there can be plenty of justifiable reasons why someone would vote against such legislation. To ignore the context is to ignore reality.

[Brother Leon]

I love that he threw the coalition of chaos and strong and stable government cliche right back at her. What a man.

[DemolitionRed]

more people were starving to death in hospital wards under labour, 100s starved to death in just 1 hospital,

Yes, nobody is denying that happened but did it happen under a centre left Labour party or did it happen under a right lurching neoliberal Labour party?

the debts of the nhs gre out of control as did the middle management wage bill That's because the NHS was already in the process of being sold off.

oh and we had the highest rates of mrsa (Filth) in the western world
You clearly didn't do your scientific research. MRSA and other bugs has been killing thousands of people in hospitals every year for generations. Its still a huge problem and here's why. 1, we got a much more efficient way of detecting and reporting MRSA. 2, we, along with other countries including the U.S got two new virilant straines that were very good at surviving in hospital environments and 3. Americans and other tourists were importing an extremely virulent strain that was community acquired but ended up in our hospitals because, as you should know, MRSA attacks the most vulnerable.

the economy went bankrupt so austerity is their fault,

Don't be so ridiculous. Why do you keep on spouting this lie?
the disability living allowances now PIPS has increased for those who receive it. There are 1000s of illegitimate claimants now not on it which has saved the tax payer a few billion. BUT sadly very sadly there are some who have slipped through the net and lost their PIPS and the stress of reapplying was too much for them and in some cases we have seen suicides. Sadly suicides were ignored by the left for decades, especially male suicide which is proved by the total lack of funding for male support organizations under labour

You don't try and save money on the backs of disabled people. My niece has an incurable brain tumour and is being kept alive by modern medicine but that modern medicine has awful side effects. They have induced diabetes, weakened her bones to the point of putting her in a wheelchair and have made her so morbidly obese that she's permanently exhausted. When my niece went for her PIP assessment she was asked to put her hands on her head and straight out in front of her. Asked a few questions that were nothing to do with her illness and all in all, treated like some sort of sponger. After that assessment she had her PIP cut.

She's not alone, there are lots like her and I think its despicable that the Tories are offering tax cuts to the rich whilst hammering people like my niece.

[joeysteele]

It wont solve anything getting angry and frustrated,especially when the people you are angry and frustrated over don't even hear you Joey,and just WHO has TM killed that is disabled,because that is what is basically being said,which imo is ludicrous.

I think Jack_ has ably outlined that in his subsequent post perfectly.
The new assessments post 2010 and in the last year as to new criteria for such assessments come from this governments policy.

Anyway,not to waste my time as sadly maybe you are one of the not listening people.

[the truth]

Yes, the name is the same. But the ideological and policy platform of the party is in complete contrast to what it was ten years ago. There's no argument to be had here.

Some of those reasons you cite for male suicide are true, but the overarching theme of male's mental health is always that it is not seen as 'manly' to open up and talk about it. People don't realise just how damaging the very phrase 'man up' actually is, or indeed how stupid it sounds. Until we as a society can have a serious debate about the socially constructed notions about what it means to be a 'man', along with some of the other issues you've raised, we will change nothing.

Again, I'm not getting into the previous Labour governments policies because it's not relevant. Nor am I going to enter a discussion about their policy platform at this election, since it's over and there's no point getting into the nuances of a campaign we've just endured for seven weeks. I will concede however that while much of the manifesto was great, it needs work in a few areas - and being clearer on concessions to SMEs and the self-employed is crucial to winning over parts of the electorate that aren't yet convinced. Hopefully they'll work on this.

And on the anti-terror legislation point, again, we'd be entering pre-election campaign territory again and it's futile. All I'll say is that several members of the cabinet, as well as Theresa May herself, have voted against or abstained on much of that legislation. It was trotted out as a last ditch fear mongering attempt, when in actual fact there can be plenty of justifiable reasons why someone would vote against such legislation. To ignore the context is to ignore reality.

blaming all this on the term Man up is just gimmick...yes .its a dumb phrase. But its ireelevant in the bigger picture men need fundamental help not patronising advice...Oh men need to talk more and open up more? to who? there is no support structure in place at all. Our limited public resources are wasted (plastic surgery, 60 year old sex allegations that are now wasting over half the police budget, we dont even have a statue of limitation on this as they do in america)

But what young men need is infinitely more support and less bias int he system in favour of women and mothers across the board. Im afraid in some case they are competing for the same limited help and resources and women are getting the lions share of help in the courts, the hospitals, the trusts, the charities , the spending etc Far far more is spent on womens cancer, even though more men die of it, far more is spent per head on female health, even though men die 5 years younger on average, there are tens of thousands of womens refuge outlets and none for men, infinitely more help for female victims of violence, even though almost as many men have suffered at the hands of women... I couldnt care else if you want to brand that sexist, its the truth. Our politicians are simply to spineless so address it head on. Yes Im sure if we get rid of the term man up , the problems will all disappear....fatherless boys , boys with no male role models in their lives, men with billions of pounds men less in support and funding across the western society, all their problems will magically disappear when we drop the term man up and men talk about their feelings....

[smudgie]

It wont solve anything getting angry and frustrated,especially when the people you are angry and frustrated over don't even hear you Joey,and just WHO has TM killed that is disabled,because that is what is basically being said,which imo is ludicrous.

There are figures on the Internet, Jack has shown some.
However, there was another set of figures, taking into account how many people not claiming die as well, can't remember the percentages but it throws a light on it.
Absolutely no doubt at all that people are losing claims that they really qualify for.
The whole lot needs looking at, I was fortunate enough to have a nurse come to the house to do my assessment, she was very good.
Nobody other than a qualified nurse or doctor should do these assessments, I would also like to know why there is not more advice from the persons GP taken into account.
Some have and will continue to try and screw the system, but surely there must be a better way to sort it all out.

[the truth]

I think Jack_ has ably outlined that in his subsequent post perfectly.
The new assessments post 2010 and in the last year as to new criteria for such assessments come from this governments policy.

Anyway,not to waste my time as sadly maybe you are one of the not listening people.

Much of the money was wasted by false claimants and the breed for benefits culture. you should be angry with them too

[smudgie]

Much of the money was wasted by false claimants and the breed for benefits culture. you should be angry with them too

Indeed.
I think that may well be one of the reasons they appear so harsh at times now.:shrug:

[Brillopad]

I think Jack_ has ably outlined that in his subsequent post perfectly.
The new assessments post 2010 and in the last year as to new criteria for such assessments come from this governments policy.

Anyway,not to waste my time as sadly maybe you are one of the not listening people.

Because what is being said is not worth hearing perhaps! :shrug:

[joeysteele]

Much of the money was wasted by false claimants and the breed for benefits culture. you should be angry with them too

Totally disagree,which will come as no surprise.

Except in that I am angry at anyone claiming benefits who should not be but all statistics and all programmes which have dealt with that issue, all state it's a very small number who do so.

[the truth]

There are figures on the Internet, Jack has shown some.
However, there was another set of figures, taking into account how many people not claiming die as well, can't remember the percentages but it throws a light on it.
Absolutely no doubt at all that people are losing claims that they really qualify for.
The whole lot needs looking at, I was fortunate enough to have a nurse come to the house to do my assessment, she was very good.
Nobody other than a qualified nurse or doctor should do these assessments, I would also like to know why there is not more advice from the persons GP taken into account.
Some have and will continue to try and screw the system, but surely there must be a better way to sort it all out.

Its tragic, but thousands lost their benefits wrongfully under labour too...sadly the systems are not foolproof...the fact labour bankrupted us and gave away obscene amounts of benefits to non disabled breed for benefits people is all part of the problems we have now with austerity

I would urge anyone and everyone though who knows anyone who was turned down and is genuinely disabled or sick to fight every step of the way for justice...take photos of everything, get evidence of everything and keep it safe, write letters, get letters from specialists etc in the end the truth will win

[the truth]

Totally disagree,which will come as no surprise.

Except in that I am angry at anyone claiming benefits who should not be but all statistics and all programmes which have dealt with that issue, all state it's a very small number who do so.

You disagree with stopping false claimants? wtf

[Kizzy]

Look she doesn't mind shaking that magic money tree when her pals are out of a job... Tough titties love that's democracy, we vote in who we want to represent us...you better not be publicly funding these parasites!

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/13/theresa-may-rolls-new-unemployment-benefits-tory-mps-lost-seats/

[joeysteele]

You disagree with stopping false claimants? wtf

Do you read posts or just set out to wind-up.
I said clearly I am angry at anyone wrongly claiming benefits.

I dont accept it is a great number.
I also do not agree with imposing massive stresses on already sick and disabled genuine claimants,by the cruel new assessment criteria by this govt,no other,this govt.

,,

[bots]

There is a lot of vitriol being expressed in this thread that is pretty disgusting. What people should understand is that all it does is increase the resolve of those its directed against and their supporters.

[the truth]

Do you read posts or just set out to wind-up.
I said clearly I am angry at anyone wrongly claiming benefits.

I dont accept it is a great number.
I also do not agree with imposing massive stresses on already sick and disabled genuine claimants,by the cruel new assessment criteria by this govt,no other,this govt.

,,

How do you know it wasnt a great number? how did the public sector build up £100s of billions of debt?

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/hDVAinX3To2Aw8FlGN7F_140617%20Telegraph.JPG

[Scarlett.]

This is what karma looks like
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[DemolitionRed]

Anti May?
Anti Brexit?

What the ******* happened, Daily Mail?

Posting not because its a good link, but because it represents a significant shift in the landscape. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614492/Wounded-knees-PM-faces-civil-war.html

[MTVN]

Anti May?
Anti Brexit?

What the ******* happened, Daily Mail?

Posting not because its a good link, but because it represents a significant shift in the landscape. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614492/Wounded-knees-PM-faces-civil-war.html

The Mail on Sunday actually backed Remain in the referendum in contrast to the Daily Mail

[DemolitionRed]

here's the latest from Glastonbury

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[Kizzy]

This is a good example of, well either fake news or misinformation... there was not a 'youthquake' this made up word ( like PC) was driven into the public consciousness on purpose to undermine both the Labour party and young people, and in some instances it worked. Nice to know it was just media inspired propaganda! :/

'The youth surge that was credited with helping Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party defy electoral expectations in last year’s general election did not actually exist, a new study has found.

The British Election Study (BES) said turnout among young people did not increase in 2017 and may even have fallen among the youngest voters, debunking the idea of a “youthquake” that was widely thought to explain Labour’s improved performance.

While Labour did do better among young voters than in 2015, Mr Corbyn did not, as has been suggested, significantly increase turnout among young people who had not previously cast a ballot'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/youth-vote-election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-no-change-18-25-labour-momentum-upset-theresa-may-a8183461.html

[Beso]

This is what karma looks like
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2017-06-15/Favourability%20June-01.png

:p

[chuff me dizzy]

Hes spot on !! Ive never seen the country in such a mess

[Brillopad]

This is a good example of, well either fake news or misinformation... there was not a 'youthquake' this made up word ( like PC) was driven into the public consciousness on purpose to undermine both the Labour party and young people, and in some instances it worked. Nice to know it was just media inspired propaganda! :/

'The youth surge that was credited with helping Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party defy electoral expectations in last year’s general election did not actually exist, a new study has found.

The British Election Study (BES) said turnout among young people did not increase in 2017 and may even have fallen among the youngest voters, debunking the idea of a “youthquake” that was widely thought to explain Labour’s improved performance.

While Labour did do better among young voters than in 2015, Mr Corbyn did not, as has been suggested, significantly increase turnout among young people who had not previously cast a ballot'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/youth-vote-election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-no-change-18-25-labour-momentum-upset-theresa-may-a8183461.html

Youthquake - is an acceptable and relevant addition to made-up words. If the PC brigade can do it - so can everyone else.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i wonder what happened to DR?

[Greg!]

This thread/election was iconic. I want another one, it was a bloody scream!
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[Greg!]

Miss Amber Rudd getting 5 recounts and somehow scraping through with about 5 votes was a howl

[reece(:]

Amber Rudd and her 10th recount <3

[Greg!]

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[reece(:]

Legends only

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0f9utCWwAAFXBG.jpg

[Beso]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBjR6AcXoAALIJD.jpg

Krankies on tour.

[Matthew.]

When I saw this thread was bumped, I thought it was a 2019 one and nearly died