UK General election June 8 2017

[MTVN]

After today's news I think it'll be best to have one main thread to discuss everything as the campaigning gets underway and the country goes to the polls again for a national vote for the third time in three years

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Latest poll since the announcement

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Timeline for the election

Wednesday 19 April: The debate on an early dissolution of Parliament. The other major event of the day will be PMQs.

Tuesday 2 May: The final sitting day available to the Commons and Lords.

Wednesday 3 May: Dissolution day

Thursday 4 May: Local and mayoral elections and (possibly) the Manchester Gorton by-election.

Thursday 11 May: Deadline for nominations

Monday 22 May: Deadline for registering to vote

Thursday 8 June: Polling Day

Still the formality of May getting enough support in the Commons tomorrow to overturn the fixed parliament act but Labour and the Lib Dems are going to support the motion and the SNP have said they won't oppose it so it should easily pass

[Rob!]

I honestly think she's made a very risky move doing this. Is it possible she's completely underestimated the anti Brexit vote?

[Braden]

I honestly think she's made a very risky move doing this. Is it possible she's completely underestimated the anti Brexit vote?

I don't think that's too signifcant considering the statistics of Tory support since Brexit, tbh.

[the truth]

I honestly think she's made a very risky move doing this. Is it possible she's completely underestimated the anti Brexit vote?

the 48% anti brexit vote may give labour , snp , plaed and libs an extra few percent but theyre still light years behind...conversely the 52% brexiteers will vote may and ukip

[the truth]

emily idiotberry avoided the brexit questions and claimed labour are the party for the economy? lol ...why does anyone think this idiot and dianne "all brexiteers are racists" abbott are going to do anything other than lay the tory landlside victory on a plate

[Brillopad]

I honestly think she's made a very risky move doing this. Is it possible she's completely underestimated the anti Brexit vote?

There's more pro-Brexit and anti-remoaners. The disgusting antics of the remoaners who have tried to overturn a public vote because it didn't go their way has fuelled an anti-remoaners movement. And Corbyn would open the flood gates putting us all at Considerable risk. People aren't stupid.

[Northern Monkey]

No doubt Brexit will be a massive decider in this.However there are areas who will always be blue or red and dont ever change.Many Labour areas will always be Labour even if they voted leave.Those areas of the north who were hit worst by Thatcher in the eighties.It is engrained in those communities that the Tories are bad.
I'm in a very strong Labour area so it's usually pointless me voting.
Anyway.I have no horse in this race but it's going to interesting spectating.

[ebandit]

...only interest for myself will be how few bother to vote......................

Mark L

[joeysteele]

Interesting time, as one commentator pointed out this morning TM has managed to convince us all that she is a steadfast, thoughtful leader who makes a decision and sticks to it, yet she is nothing of the sort, she did a U turn on being a remainer, she has done a U turn on the country not needing a snap election in favour of a steady hand on the ship, what will she do a U turn on next, hard Brexit? don't be surprised :joker:

I don't believe she was ever a remain supporter,as Home Secretary she said very little indeed in the campaign.
More deceit from her.

I think she expected remain to win and presented herself as a remain supporter in order to position herself to take over from David Cameron when he decided to go.

I don't trust anything she says and never have,believing her to be a truly hopeless Home Secretary too.

[Brillopad]

I don't believe she was ever a remain supporter,as Home Secretary she said very little indeed in the campaign.
More deceit from her.
I think she expected remain to win and presented herself as a remain supporter in order to position herself to take over from David Cameron when he decided to go.

I don't trust anything she says and never have,believing her to be a truly hopeless Home Secretary too.

All supposition, nothing more. If you support Corbyn then it's quite bizarre that you feel you can accuse any other politician of being 'hopeless'.

[Sticks]

Let me put this scenario to you

A white haired gentleman, who is a darling of the left of the Labour Party and is party leader. He goes up against a female leader of the conservative party and prime minister in a general election, she calls, and he is roundly beaten giving her a majority in parliament of well over 100+ seats.

Does this scenario seem far fetched or familiar? :shocked:

It was Michael Foot versus Margaret Thatcher in the 1983 General Election.

From a YouTube clip (Link) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ9y0A1kYYs&t=72s)
The 1983 UK general election was held on 9 June 1983. It gave the Conservative Party under Margaret Thatcher the most decisive election victory since that of Labour in 1945.

The opposition vote split almost evenly between the SDP/Liberal Alliance and Labour. With its worst performance since 1918, the Labour vote fell by over 3 million from 1979 and this accounted for both a national swing of almost 4% towards the Conservatives and their larger parliamentary majority of 144, even though the Conservatives' total vote did fall slightly

Sadly I can not find any Labour Party election broadcasts from 1983, so this news clip will have to suffice

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So does anyone else see a parallel with current events? :laugh:

[arista]

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[Sticks]

1983 again, on steroids

[Cherie]

100.00 off energy bills for workers, what does that mean, :laugh: and given they have gone up 100.00 recently it just takes people back to where they started, and won't make up for those tax hikes :idc:

[Kizzy]

The sun and the mail putting the boot in.... hmmm Mr Murdock switched alliances again?

[Cherie]

Mrs May has dropped a little in the polls since she confirmed keeping foreign aid but hasn't confirmed the triple pension lock or no tax rises, its almost like she doesn't want the job, Brexit is a true poisoned chalice :hehe:

[Kizzy]

Do we believe the tories are polling to win Wales?..... no way boyo!


https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Kizzy]

Well worth a tenner on the nose :)


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-surge-in-bets-announcement-four-extra-bank-holidays-labour-leader-party-a7699121.html

[Kizzy]

Lest we forget...

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( This hangs in the US Holocaust Memorial Museum)

https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-muslim-majority-travel-ban-list-early-warning-signs-fascism-holocaust-museum-7554621?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

[DemolitionRed]

I would rather live with Jeremy Corbyn's gentle dithering in pursuit of a better world than give May a mandate to destroy what remains of British democracy.

George Mombiot.

[Brother Leon]

Pretty easy choice for me

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[Sticks]

The problem is that as with 1983, the labour leader is so unpopular, if you look at the lead the Conservative Party has, people will rather have May than Corbyn, just like in 1983 they preferred Thatcher to Foot.

It does not matter what Corbyn or Labour promises, this is a re-run of 1983 and May is on course to a 200+ majority (unfortunately)

I have read the runes and they point to 1983

[arista]

Final PMQ's in 28mins
as we are on Election now.

BBC2HD and SkyNewsHD Live
and Radio 5.

[Kizzy]

The problem is that as with 1983, the labour leader is so unpopular, if you look at the lead the Conservative Party has, people will rather have May than Corbyn, just like in 1983 they preferred Thatcher to Foot.

It does not matter what Corbyn or Labour promises, this is a re-run of 1983 and May is on course to a 200+ majority (unfortunately)

I have read the runes and they point to 1983

Mine point to 1984 :smug:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/25/vote-labour-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may

[Kizzy]

If I hear a tory say 'strong and stable' one more time.... who's idea was this mind ****ery?

[Kizzy]

Labour are ruling out Jeremy Corbyn taking part in any TV debates that do not feature Theresa May, Huffington Post’s Paul Waugh reports.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/26/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-final-pmqs-politics-live

[Cherie]

Labour are ruling out Jeremy Corbyn taking part in any TV debates that do not feature Theresa May, Huffington Post’s Paul Waugh reports.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/26/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-final-pmqs-politics-live

That's a bit stupid of him really.

[Braden]

Labour are ruling out Jeremy Corbyn taking part in any TV debates that do not feature Theresa May, Huffington Post’s Paul Waugh reports.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/26/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-final-pmqs-politics-live

That's really disappointing. He has more to prove than May, why would he not take part in TV debates?

[Brillopad]

That's really disappointing. He has more to prove than May, why would he not take part in TV debates?

I think this new found 'fight' in him has gone to his head. I think he thinks everyone cares and he has clout.

[Withano]

I think this new found 'fight' in him has gone to his head. I think he thinks everyone cares and he has clout.

Most people intending on voting care about the leaders' opinions.
I'm completely disappointed in any leader that isn't prepared to share theirs on a live platform alongside other leaders.

[Cherie]

That's really disappointing. He has more to prove than May, why would he not take part in TV debates?

I think this new found 'fight' in him has gone to his head. I think he thinks everyone cares and he has clout.

Most people intending on voting care about the leaders' opinions.
I'm completely disappointed in any leader that isn't prepared to share theirs on a live platform alongside other leaders.

Ridiculous decision and it will cost him votes. an empty podium standing in for May would have spoke volumes.

[joeysteele]

Ridiculous decision and it will cost him votes. an empty podium standing in for May would have spoke volumes.

I agree.

Although it seems she can promise nothing,throw out most of the last manifesto.
Insist her word is sound but backtrack on most she says.
.... and still get solidly supported or not criticised one inch.

Beyond belief or it should be,at least in my view anyway.

[DemolitionRed]

If I hear a tory say 'strong and stable' one more time.... who's idea was this mind ****ery?

And the anagram of those words make "Satans lord" :spin:

[DemolitionRed]

I agree.

Although it seems she can promise nothing,throw out most of the last manifesto.
Insist her word is sound but backtrack on most she says.
.... and still get solidly supported or not criticised one inch.

Beyond belief or it should be,at least in my view anyway.

I think the majority of voters only give politics a cursory glance.

[Sticks]

That's really disappointing. He has more to prove than May, why would he not take part in TV debates?

Because Labour wants to have nothing to do with the other opposition parties and a total rejection of the idea of a progressive alliance favoured by the Green Party, Plaid and SNP and a few others apart from UKIP.

Labour has always been arrogant refusing to do any deals and thereby allowing the Conservative Party in, that is why these calls for tactical voting are doomed to fail. Labour wants to do it on their own.

It seems they hate the other opposition parties more than the Tories and this clip from the Life of Brian illustrates the problem

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[Northern Monkey]

Yeah the TV debates won't benefit the Tories at all.
Labour however desperately need to take part and pull out their A game.

[Greg!]

Watched PMQs today (lol). Jezza Corbyn is useless. Angus Robertson holds Theresa May to account better than him and he's only allowed two questions

[Braden]

Because Labour wants to have nothing to do with the other opposition parties and a total rejection of the idea of a progressive alliance favoured by the Green Party, Plaid and SNP and a few others apart from UKIP.

Labour has always been arrogant refusing to do any deals and thereby allowing the Conservative Party in, that is why these calls for tactical voting are doomed to fail. Labour wants to do it on their own.

It seems they hate the other opposition parties more than the Tories and this clip from the Life of Brian illustrates the problem

kHHitXxH-us

That's always annoyed me. I'm a member of The Green Party, so I'm aware of the idea of a progressive alliance. Labour always seems to rebuke it though (I guess, because they feel they'd be criticised if they their triumph would not be wholly their own doing ). However, I did read a news update suggesting that they have came together at last, but I'm not sure if there's any truth that considering what you've said.

[the truth]

I think the majority of voters only give politics a cursory glance.

lol labour voters seem to think everyone who doesnt agree with them must be ill informed ill educated muppets....lol they need to take a long hard look at themselves

[Withano]

The ageing population is steering the vote again, Corbyn is more popular than May for those younger than 40

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-polls-snap-general-election-2017-live-poll-under-40s-young-people-older-winning-a7702616.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[Livia]

It's no secret I am not, in any way, a supporter of Corbyn. However, I think Boris Johnson's comments this morning, childishly calling him silly names, was damaging to the Tories, rather than to Corbyn himself. I was an election agent for many elections, European, Parliamentary, County and District... and I have never run a negative election campaign, it makes people look small. Cut out the name calling and show us you're taking things seriously.

[joeysteele]

It's no secret I am not, in any way, a supporter of Corbyn. However, I think Boris Johnson's comments this morning, childishly calling him silly names, was damaging to the Tories, rather than to Corbyn himself. I was an election agent for many elections, European, Parliamentary, County and District... and I have never run a negative election campaign, it makes people look small. Cut out the name calling and show us you're taking things seriously.

It is,all you say I agree with there.

Also my massive full credit to you for doing so too.
I hate negative campaigning too, it's in my view unnecessary.

[Cherie]

The ageing population is steering the vote again, Corbyn is more popular than May for those younger than 40

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-polls-snap-general-election-2017-live-poll-under-40s-young-people-older-winning-a7702616.html?cmpid=facebook-post

The older generation use the power of the ballot box, anyone over 18 and under 40 who doesn't use their vote is contributing to the older generation steering the vote

[Withano]

The older generation use the power of the ballot box, anyone over 18 and under 40 who doesn't use their vote is contributing to the older generation steering the vote

Well theres more 40+'s than 18-40s

Infact over 40s nearly make up half of the UK by themselves at ~49.4%

There isnt much anybody can do about an age divide in the vote in this country, the UK has an ageing population.

[Northern Monkey]

It's no secret I am not, in any way, a supporter of Corbyn. However, I think Boris Johnson's comments this morning, childishly calling him silly names, was damaging to the Tories, rather than to Corbyn himself. I was an election agent for many elections, European, Parliamentary, County and District... and I have never run a negative election campaign, it makes people look small. Cut out the name calling and show us you're taking things seriously.

He called Corbyn a "mutton headed mugwump" :joker:

I don't even know what that means.Sounds like something from Harry Potter.

But yeah,The Tories don't need to try and damage Corbyn.He's doing a great job of it himself.

[Kizzy]

And the anagram of those words make "Satans lord" :spin:

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[Kizzy]

'I don’t think [who becomes prime minister is] the real issue in this campaign. I think the real issue is blank cheque. It’s what mandate does she claim, both on Brexit and on the health service, education and all the other things. And I think the most powerful argument for Labour in this election, because of the way the polls are and the way the opinion polls are on the leadership issue, the most powerful argument for Labour is to say it is important for our democracy that the government is held properly to account and that she needs a strong opposition.'

Like you were tony?.....pffffffffftttttttttttttttttt.

How is he still in the Labour party?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/27/general-election-2017-zac-goldsmith-boris-johnson-brighton-tactical-politics-live?page=with:block-5901b5ede4b0e81396c87246#block-5901b5ede4b0e81396c87246

[Black Dagger]

Boris is a ****ing moron. Sick of people making out as if he's this endearing figure head when he's a diabolical, arrogant, dangerous tool.

Keep him as the spokesperson though he can't help himself, Theresa will be wanting shot.

[Kizzy]

Laura Kuenssberg ✔ @bbclaurak
Corbyn says 'I don't do personal attacks' but says disappointing the tories are doing negative campaigning
11:52 AM - 27 Apr 2017

That's not personal Kuenssberg you silly twunt ( that's personal)

[Cherie]

Well theres more 40+'s than 18-40s

Infact over 40s nearly make up half of the UK by themselves at ~49.4%

There isnt much anybody can do about an age divide in the vote in this country, the UK has an ageing population.

are you saying all over 40s vote Tory? If you take the attitude that it's pointless because your age group is in the minority you are defeated before you start

[Northern Monkey]

are you saying all over 40s vote Tory? If you take the attitude that it's pointless because your age group is in the minority you are defeated before you start

It's not true anyway.All the old people i talk to round our end are Labour through and through.

[Cherie]

It's not true anyway.All the old people i talk to round our end are Labour through and through.

And what about the percentage of over 80/90s who will be too ill to bother to vote, blaming everything on the older generation when you can't be arsed to go and vote is easy isn't it :laugh:

[Withano]

are you saying all over 40s vote Tory? If you take the attitude that it's pointless because your age group is in the minority you are defeated before you start

Obviously not what I'm saying is it

[Cherie]

Obviously not what I'm saying is it

What are you saying?

[Sticks]

Boris is a ****ing moron. Sick of people making out as if he's this endearing figure head when he's a diabolical, arrogant, dangerous tool.


But at least he is not Ed Milliband :joker:

[Withano]

What are you saying?

That theres a clear age divide that is steering the vote, and I found it interesting and relevant to the thread.

[Cherie]

That theres a clear age divide that is steering the vote, and I found it interesting and relevant to the thread.

and I said the only reason that is happening is due to the older generation being more likely to vote. You can talk about percentages all you like but the fact is the young just don't bother.

[Withano]

and I said the only reason that is happening is due to the older generation being more likely to vote. You can talk about percentages all you like but the fact is the young just don't bother.

Seems like a different point. It isnt because they are more likely to vote, it is because they are simply more.
There is an ageing population in the UK who take up a prominent proporion of the consensus. If 50% of over 40s vote, and 50% of under 40s vote, the under 40s are still outvoted as results arent weighted by age.

[Cherie]

From yougov

Age: The new dividing line in British politics

In electoral terms, age is the new class. The starkest way to show this is to note that Labour is 19% ahead when it comes to 18-24 year-olds and the Conservatives are ahead by 49% among the over 65s. Our analysis suggest that the current tipping point – which is to say the age where voters are more likely to favour the Conservatives over Labour – is 34.

In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around 8% and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by 6%. This age divide could create further problems for Labour on 8 June. Age is also a big driver of turnout, with older people being far more likely to vote than young people. It’s currently too early to tell the exact impact this could have on the final result.

[Withano]

It’s currently too early to tell the exact impact this could have on the final result

Cant imagine it will, because the proportion of young people would not only need to meet the the proportion of elder voters, they would need to exceed it by a large margin... potentially an impossible margin.. Labour needs to appeal to a slightly older demographic somehow.

[Kizzy]

Freaky weather today, sky is black and there were huge hailstones, it can mean only one thing....

Theresa May is in Leeds :eek:

'Then she wheels out one of the key lines from her speech, saying Leeds is a traditionally Labour area: “Although it may say Labour on the ballot, it will be Jeremy Corbyn who gets the votes.” Every vote counts, she adds.

May says the Brexit negotiations “could get tough”, meaning she needs as big a mandate as possible.

We’ve already had three uses of “strong and stable leadership” and one of “coalition of chaos”. And two of “in the national interest

May is now saying, “we must not be complacent”, reiterating her admittedly unconvincing argument that the polls could be wrong and Labour could win power. I’ve lost count of the number of uses of “strong and stable leadership”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/27/general-election-2017-zac-goldsmith-boris-johnson-brighton-tactical-politics-live

[Kizzy]

Come on you dirty polluting corrupt warmongering toads!!

Get that info out!!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/high-court-judge-order-air-pollution-plan-government-publish-controversial-bomb-a7705851.html

[joeysteele]

I wonder if it's possible it could be up to 30 Con MPs,'' might'' end up being charged over electoral wrongdoing.
Is this the possibly real reason for this election as losing that number of MPs would have left this PM in dire straits in parliament.

Not saying they will be charged but if this calling of this election is to insure and being used to offset that 'possibility',that should be a National disgrace by any standards.

[DemolitionRed]

I wonder if it's possible it could be up to 30 Con MPs,'' might'' end up being charged over electoral wrongdoing.
Is this the possibly real reason for this election as losing that number of MPs would have left this PM in dire straits in parliament.

Not saying they will be charged but if this calling of this election is to insure and being used to offset that 'possibility',that should be a National disgrace by any standards.

Without a doubt she's in a position where she could potentially lose majority control.

[DemolitionRed]

Freaky weather today, sky is black and there were huge hailstones, it can mean only one thing....

Theresa May is in Leeds :eek:

'Then she wheels out one of the key lines from her speech, saying Leeds is a traditionally Labour area: “Although it may say Labour on the ballot, it will be Jeremy Corbyn who gets the votes.” Every vote counts, she adds.

May says the Brexit negotiations “could get tough”, meaning she needs as big a mandate as possible.

We’ve already had three uses of “strong and stable leadership” and one of “coalition of chaos”. And two of “in the national interest

May is now saying, “we must not be complacent”, reiterating her admittedly unconvincing argument that the polls could be wrong and Labour could win power. I’ve lost count of the number of uses of “strong and stable leadership”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/27/general-election-2017-zac-goldsmith-boris-johnson-brighton-tactical-politics-live

“We can see how tough those negotiations are going to be at times,” May said. “We need the strongest possible hand, the strongest possible mandate and the strongest possible leadership as we go into those talks. Yet our opponents are already seeking to disrupt those negotiations – at the same time as 27 other European countries line up to oppose us.” May then turned to her right hand man and with puckered lips that resembled the creases in her tartan suit, she said, "I'm a celebrity, get me out of here"

[Cherie]

2.4 million young people are not on the electoral roll, Jeremy has asked them to step up, will they, or will they be too busy following someone on Twitter :hee:

Jeremy Corbyn will make a direct plea to young people to "step up" and register to vote.

The Labour leader believes that more than two million young people who are missing from the electoral register could be key to his success.

Mr Corbyn will argue that young people are being "held back" by the Conservatives and he will urge them to overcome "apathy and resignation" and make sure they cast their vote.

:: Why it might be worth a punt on a Corbyn win

He will say: "Over 2.4 million young people are missing from the UK's electoral register. Barely 40% of 18 to 24-year-olds turn out to vote.

"The Conservatives are more than happy with this state of affairs. Apathy and resignation will secure them seats on election day."

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn takes his case to Scotland to try to win back voters
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Mr Corbyn will make a direct plea to young people to register to vote
Young people certainly helped Mr Corbyn gain the leadership of his party and he clearly sees them as playing a crucial role in this election if they can overcome their historic tendency to stay away from the ballot box.

Labour's anti-austerity stance and desire to ban tuition fees could also encourage young voters to back the party.

However, 75% of all 18 to 24-year-olds who voted in the referendum wanted to remain in the EU, meaning many could be attracted to the Liberal Democrats, who are pitching themselves as the anti-Brexit party.

During a speech in east London, Mr Corbyn will question the Conservatives' intentions over Brexit. He will cast scepticism over Theresa May's plan for a trade deal with the US and he will accuse the Conservatives of preparing to deliver a deal which will only benefit the wealthy.

He will warn that "a Brexit for the few is now brewing, one where any money saved is handed out as tax cuts to the super-rich and their corporations, where new trade deals with the US and elsewhere are used to drive down our working conditions, and environmental and food standards".

Jeremy Corbyn
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Labour pains: The party approaches the 20th anniversary of it's 1997 victory
Responding to extracts of the speech, Conservative Party chairman Patrick McLoughlin said: "At this election there is a very clear choice on the ballot paper.

"Do you want Theresa May to protect Britain's interests through Brexit and beyond - or the weak, floundering and nonsensical Jeremy Corbyn who doesn't even have the confidence of three quarters of his own MPs?"

Meanwhile, in an interview with the i newspaper, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said he wants to be the leader of the opposition. He described Jeremy Corbyn as "a perfectly nice man" but "demonstrably the worst leader in British political history in terms of effectiveness".

He added: "Britain needs a decent strong opposition and I'm asking the British people to give that job to me."

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[Cherie]

Leave 51.9 .....17,410,742
Remain 48.1....16,141,241

72 per cent turn out

So it seems to me that 2 million who aren't on the electoral roll could have made a difference one way or the other either strengthening the Brexit cause or tipping us into remain...so please stop blaming others for the fate of the country if you can be be bothered to vote

[Withano]

Leave 51.9 .....17,410,742
Remain 48.1....16,141,241

72 per cent turn out

So it seems to me that 2 million who aren't on the electoral roll could have made a difference one way or the other either strengthening the Brexit cause or tipping us into remain...so please stop blaming others for the fate of the country if you can be be bothered to vote

I think youre assuming that a lot of the people that arent on the register want to vote but cba.. I cant imagine thats true. Some people just have no interest in these things, or are content with all main parties.

[Cherie]

I think youre assuming that a lot of the people that arent on the register want to vote but cba.. I cant imagine thats true. Some people just have no interest in these things, or are content with all main parties.

In that scenario you can't say the older generation are steering the result, its the "contents/no interest/apathetic" that are driving it, as a young person you should be livid that so many can't be bothered not blaming it on people who can

[Withano]

In that scenario you can't say the older generation are steering the result, its the "contents/no interest/apathetic" that are driving it, as a young person you should be livid that so many can't be bothered not blaming it on people who can

Ive never presumed that the non-voters would all vote a similar way if they were forced to vote? Cant imagine theres any data to support this presumption but Id imagine theyd be scattered pretty normally.. Interesting theory though.

[Cherie]

Ive never presumed that the non-voters would all vote a similar way if they were forced to vote? Cant imagine theres any data to support this presumption but Id imagine theyd be scattered pretty normally.. Interesting theory though.

its far for a theory going by your earlier post

The ageing population is steering the vote again, Corbyn is more popular than May for those younger than 40

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post
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[Withano]

its far for a theory going by your earlier post

The ageing population is steering the vote again, Corbyn is more popular than May for those younger than 40

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post
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But non-voters of all ages surely don't significantly lean either side do they? How would they test that? Your link doesnt work for me

It just seems rational for me to believe that the majority of voters under 40s like labour
The majority of voters over 40s like tories
The majority of non-voters like neither/both

[Cherie]

But non-voters of all ages surely don't significantly lean either side do they? How would they test that? Your link doesnt work for me

The link seems to work for JC given he is saying more or less the same thing, I'll take that

[Withano]

The link seems to work for JC given he is saying more or less the same thing, I'll take that

I meant it literally didnt work, not that its not good enough lol

[Cherie]

I meant it literally didnt work, not that its not good enough lol

Oh right, that link is from your post about the under 40s :laugh:

[Sticks]

But the policies of the Labour Party in 1983 were so extreme people ran to the Conservative Party

To quote Former Governor Clinton of Arkansas, "It's the economy stupid"

By proposing public spending plans without saying where you will find the money, and promising to penalise the well off, like Labour did in the 1960's and 70's is economic illiteracy. Dennis Heally said he would squeeze and squeeze the rich until the pips squeak, and what happened, a massive brain drain. The Beetles were taxed at 95% of their income, hence their song, the taxman.

Guess what Labour is doing now? Writing cheques that a large number of influential votes believe they will have to cash.

Remember what happened in 1983 :nono:

[Brillopad]

But the policies of the Labour Party in 1983 were so extreme people ran to the Conservative Party

To quote Former Governor Clinton of Arkansas, "It's the economy stupid"

By proposing public spending plans without saying where you will find the money, and promising to penalise the well off, like Labour did in the 1960's and 70's is economic illiteracy. Dennis Heally said he would squeeze and squeeze the rich until the pips squeak, and what happened, a massive brain drain. The Beetles were taxed at 95% of their income, hence their song, the taxman.

Guess what Labour is doing now? Writing cheques that a large number of influential votes believe they will have to cash.

Remember what happened in 1983 :nono:

Sounds like history repeating itself. I am never surprised by how many ignore the obvious - WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM! Just a minor detail after all.

[Cherie]

It might be coming from the massive saving of not paying into the EU :hehe:

[Sticks]

So where is that £350 billion for the NHS then?

[Cherie]

So where is that £350 billion for the NHS then?

No idea.

[Sticks]

No idea.

But it was promised, on a big red coach and that was why everyone voted to leave :conf:

[Cherie]

But it was promised, on a big red coach and that was why everyone voted to leave :conf:

Maybe one of the members who voted to leave based on this slogan can explain

[smudgie]

Maybe one of the members who voted to leave based on this slogan can explain

Did people who voted to leave vote based on that slogan?
I dare say some did, but I would think more of us looked long and hard at other aspects of it.

[Cherie]

Did people who voted to leave vote based on that slogan?
I dare say some did, but I would think more of us looked long and hard at other aspects of it.

I don't if they did or not that's why I asked, Sticks seems to be making the assumption they all did.

[smudgie]

I don't if they did or not that's why I asked, Sticks seems to be making the assumption they all did.

I would imagine loads of people will have voted either way for different reasons.
As long as they put a bit of thought into it.
I was undecided for a while.

[MTVN]

Biggest car crash of an interview since Natalie Bennett

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/

[smudgie]

Biggest car crash of an interview since Natalie Bennett

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/

She is one of the Tories best weapons, what an absolute idiot she is.:joker:

[Cherie]

What an embarrassment she is

[Greg!]

Diane Abbott is an absolute joke :joker:

Is anyone really struggling to decide on who to vote for? I feel like if I lived in England I'd have no clue. The Tories are vile. Labour is a complete mess. The Lib Dems are sellouts and snakes. I like the greens but it would be a wasted vote. It's really depressing

[joeysteele]

It was a badly prepared for interview but I got what she was meaning.
She stated 10,000 more Police officers.
To be done over 4 years.
Her £80 million figure was yearly cost,over 4 years coming to just over £300 million total cost as it was rolled out.

Terrible planning and a mess how she struggled when never needing to but the figures are right, as planned with the funding costed from the capital gains tax changes.

[Scarlett.]

XhesL_SVoHA

[reece(:]

Lmao has anyone seen the pics of Theresa waffling down chips?

[Kizzy]

Ha ha the police look like they'd like to boo her to, May the force is not with you! :joker:

[Brillopad]

Ha ha the police look like they'd like to boo her to, May the force is not with you! :joker:

Bristol - the force! :joker:

What a lorra, lorra people there were there. I don't think she needs to break her heart over that one.

[Kizzy]

Bristol - the force! :joker:

What a lorra, lorra people there were there. I don't think she needs to break her heart over that one.

I was referring to the police force :/

[Livia]

Meanwhile back in the magical Kingdom of Islington where everything is decaff and dairy free... Corbyn's still promising the earth without clue where the money's coming from. We could ask Diane Abbott! On no... wait...

[Brillopad]

Meanwhile back in the magical Kingdom of Islington where everything is decaff and dairy free... Corbyn's still promising the earth without clue where the money's coming from. We could ask Diane Abbott! On no... wait...

Spot on! :joker:

[arista]

If Labour get in they will Stop all of the hospital closure program
day 1


ref: DP BBC2HD

[Brillopad]

If Labour get in they will Stop all of the hospital closure program
day 1


ref: DP BBC2HD

Hospitals won't be much good if we get blown to smithereens!

[Scarlett.]

Hospitals won't be much good if we get blown to smithereens!

By who?

[Brillopad]

By who?

By whomever decides to take advantage of a country such as Britain with a big bullseye on it - a major Western country without nuclear protection.

[Scarlett.]

By whomever decides to take advantage of a country such as Britain with a big bullseye on it - a major Western country without nuclear protection.

You heard of a thing called NATO, right?

[Brillopad]

You heard of a thing called NATO, right?

I have, right!

We are a nuclear weapon state and need to stay that way.

[Scarlett.]

I have, right!

We are a nuclear weapon state and need to stay that way.

Even if we're not, we're not likely to be nuked. It's such an out there thing to bring up.

[Brillopad]

Even if we're not, we're not likely to be nuked. It's such an out there thing to bring up.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. We live in a dangerous world, getting more so by the day, it wouldn't be a wise move to get rid of our nuclear weapons in my opinion.

[Northern Monkey]

Meanwhile back in the magical Kingdom of Islington where everything is decaff and dairy free... Corbyn's still promising the earth without clue where the money's coming from. We could ask Diane Abbott! On no... wait...

You're on fire today:laugh:

[joeysteele]

I don't think any party leader is promising the earth.
Labour are talking about housing,all parties agree we need a great deal more.
Labour's promised a £10 minimum wage,the Tories plan increases to that too,the extra added on as to Labour's plans will hardly break any bank.
Labour has promised 10,000 more Police officers,which tge Police want and would like more.
That will be paid for out of capital gains tax changes.
Estimated at over 2 billion.
It doesn't look to me like any reckless moves at all.
However let's be fair and see what is in the manifestos of all the parties, and see the full costings included then.

Very little really is being promised in reality thus far and all the things Labour is promising are badly needed.

I only wish Labour,or any other party would now take the dive into deeper waters and promise to ensure the NHS remains the service as it was intended.
Stating they will look at raising taxes to ensure that too.
Rather than allow the Cons to continue just running the NHS down and doing next to nothing really positive with it.

Except to demoralise and be confrontational towards just about all the staff working in the NHS.

[Kizzy]

Meanwhile back in the magical Kingdom of Islington where everything is decaff and dairy free... Corbyn's still promising the earth without clue where the money's coming from. We could ask Diane Abbott! On no... wait...

Capital gains tax, that's where it's coming from.

As for promising the earth any news yet on what mays 'strong and stable' govt will consist of? That's when she decides to magically reappear from under her rock.

[Kizzy]

oooh... :D

Several whistleblowers have made explosive new allegations about Conservative election fraud. Speaking to The Canary, they claim the market research company they worked for started telephone polling for the Conservatives’ election campaign in November 2014 and continued up until the day of the general election in May 2015. The Canary has seen internal email evidence that appears to confirm those dates. But the Conservative Party appears to have only declared spending for work carried out by the company between March and May 2015.

Failure to properly declare election expenses is illegal.

The whistleblowers also say that the company conducted a separate, “secret” campaign for the Conservative Party. In that campaign, they called voters in key marginal constituencies “on behalf of David Cameron’s campaign” and asked them to volunteer for their local Conservative candidates. This raises serious questions about whether some of this work should have been declared by local candidates in targeted constituencies.

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/03/breaking-whistleblowers-come-forward-new-election-fraud-evidence-every-voter-needs-see/

[Brillopad]

oooh... :D

Several whistleblowers have made explosive new allegations about Conservative election fraud. Speaking to The Canary, they claim the market research company they worked for started telephone polling for the Conservatives’ election campaign in November 2014 and continued up until the day of the general election in May 2015. The Canary has seen internal email evidence that appears to confirm those dates. But the Conservative Party appears to have only declared spending for work carried out by the company between March and May 2015.

Failure to properly declare election expenses is illegal.

The whistleblowers also say that the company conducted a separate, “secret” campaign for the Conservative Party. In that campaign, they called voters in key marginal constituencies “on behalf of David Cameron’s campaign” and asked them to volunteer for their local Conservative candidates. This raises serious questions about whether some of this work should have been declared by local candidates in targeted constituencies.

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/03/breaking-whistleblowers-come-forward-new-election-fraud-evidence-every-voter-needs-see/

Yeah, yeah, all unproven claims jumped on by a left wing rag who are trying to present it as fact for obvious reasons. No scruples.

[Kizzy]

We will see... :)

[Brillopad]

We will see... :)

Indeed.

[Kizzy]

3b6Zw4dNyo4

[Northern Monkey]

'Whistleblowers' 'The Canary'


Sounds legit

[Kizzy]

'Whistleblowers' 'The Canary'


Sounds legit

What do you have a problem with?...

If it wasn't 'legit' then there would be a legal issue wouldn't there posting it?...but there it is.

[Brillopad]

Who even is that idiot? Why are you expecting anyone to listen to his rantings?

Weird.

[Brillopad]

Won't be watching the BBCs coverage of the election anymore - talk about bias. That vile political correspondent Laura ? Had an ugly permanent sneer on her face punctuated by constant sarcasm and undermining comments of May. Repulsive woman. Not very professional in my opinion.

She was totally nausiating.

[smudgie]

Won't be watching the BBCs coverage of the election anymore - talk about bias. That vile political correspondent Laura ? Had an ugly permanent sneer on her face punctuated by constant sarcasm and undermining comments of May. Repulsive woman. Not very professional in my opinion.

She was totally nausiating.

Aye, but to be fair, that is her interview manner, no matter who she is interviewing.
I think her sneer is more down to her facial expression, she has a bit of a lop sided look about her when she gets going.

[Jack_]

Won't be watching the BBCs coverage of the election anymore - talk about bias. That vile political correspondent Laura ? Had an ugly permanent sneer on her face punctuated by constant sarcasm and undermining comments of May. Repulsive woman. Not very professional in my opinion.

She was totally nausiating.

That's funny, because she's often (quite rightly) criticised for her blatant disdain towards Corbyn.

Your post is therefore in fact evidence of the BBC's ability to remain largely impartial. And, since I do so every year, I'll take this opportunity to point out that their election night coverage is far and away better than any other broadcaster.

[Kizzy]

Who even is that idiot? Why are you expecting anyone to listen to his rantings?

Weird.

Oh, is it only monkey that can post people voicing their opinions on contemporary issues?... :/

[Brillopad]

That's funny, because she's often (quite rightly) criticised for her blatant disdain towards Corbyn.

Your post is therefore in fact evidence of the BBC's ability to remain largely impartial. And, since I do so every year, I'll take this opportunity to point out that their election night coverage is far and away better than any other broadcaster.

You are welcome to it and her. Enjoy!

[Jack_]

You are welcome to it and her. Enjoy!

Just pointing out inaccuracies where I see them, that's all :)

[Kizzy]

“All of these acts have been deliberately timed to affect the result of the general election that will take place on 8 June.”

Have they?.... up until a couple of weeks ago nobody knew there was going to be an election on the 8th of june :/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-uk-eu-new-low-relationhips-amid-pm-attack-a7716481.html

[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-5HmpIXkAAW8Fv.jpg

:joker: :joker: :joker: damn right!

[Cherie]

'Whistleblowers' 'The Canary'


Sounds legit

For someone who doesn't support a party you are doing a great impression of being a Tory :hee:

[Kizzy]

For someone who doesn't support a party you are doing a great impression of being a Tory :hee:

:joker::joker:

I try and lure him from the dark side Cherie, but they drag him back kicking and screaming :(

[ebandit]

catch 22...........labour not seen as viable proposition

..........so voters avoid

..........so don't appear to be a viable choice

Mark L

[Northern Monkey]

For someone who doesn't support a party you are doing a great impression of being a Tory :hee:

Never in my life voted Tory.Never will.Just pissed off with Labour for making me unable to give them my vote.Corbyn would get my vote if he was more moderate in many of his views.
I agree with him on certain issues.
Labour would make me happy with a more centre ground leader.
They keep putting jokers in the job.

[joeysteele]

Different times admittedly but election campaigns can go wrong badly and at the last minute too,depending on other events.
Reading through political history, an extremely popular Pm Harold Wilson, saw local election results mark a good recovery for the then Labour govt.
He after them called an election in mid June.

He was against heath as Conservative leader who was wrongly seen as a joke by some voters.
During the election,Labour had 12% and higher leads with Wilson far and away the more popular leader.

Come election day and the run in of the final days,the end result was a shock win for Heath's Conservatives,with an overall majority of 30,overturning Labour's previous 90+ overall majority won in 1966.

Election outcomes can become not the result expected at the time of calling them
Things can be altered considerably even moreso nearer the end of the campaign period.

So hopefully this smug arrogant lot could yet find all things will not go as expected by this PM as to her greed of wanting a bigger majority.

She already had one of 12, Sinn Feint do not take their Westminster seats,so her majority rises to 16,then she also can rely on Conservative poodles the Dup,taking her to over 30 as a working majority then also Carswell's vote too,whatever party he calls himself now.

Voters should think on that she has a good majority of votes in Parliament right now.
She is not happy with what the Cons got from voters in 2015, now she wants even more.
I hope her greed rebounds on her as it really ought to in my view.

[Livia]

Different times admittedly but election campaigns can go wrong badly and at the last minute too,depending on other events.
Reading through political history, an extremely popular Pm Harold Wilson, saw local election results mark a good recovery for the then Labour govt.
He after them called an election in mid June.

He was against heath as Conservative leader who was wrongly seen as a joke by some voters.
During the election,Labour had 12% and higher leads with Wilson far and away the more popular leader.

Come election day and the run in of the final days,the end result was a shock win for Heath's Conservatives,with an overall majority of 30,overturning Labour's previous 90+ overall majority won in 1966.

Election outcomes can become not the result expected at the time of calling them
Things can be altered considerably even moreso nearer the end of the campaign period.

So hopefully this smug arrogant lot could yet find all things will not go as expected by this PM as to her greed of wanting a bigger majority.

She already had one of 12, Sinn Feint do not take their Westminster seats,so her majority rises to 16,then she also can rely on Conservative poodles the Dup,taking her to over 30 as a working majority then also Cartwheels vote too,whatever party he calls himself now.

Voters should think on that she has a good majority of votes in Parliament right now.
She is not happy with what the Cons got from voters in 2015, now she wants even more.
I hope her greed rebounds on her as it really ought to in my view.

A leader wanting more seats equates to greed? That's a very strange point of view from someone involved in politics. I thought that was the name of the game.

Looking to the past will not help predict the election next month in my opinion. Politics has seen nothing like the events in the last couple of years and the electorate is a very different body now. The local election results on Thursday/Friday showed a massive swing to the Conservatives and humiliating losses to Labour. This morning Corbyn is saying he can turn it around. He's hopeless, desperate to hang on to the leadership while his party collapses all around him. The denial is palpable... I imagine some Labour supporters today are wishing Andy Burnham had got the job, he's obviously far more popular than Corbyn, who looks like he won't step down until Labour is beyond saving.

I'm going to look forward to reading through this thread on 9th June.

[joeysteele]

A leader wanting more seats equates to greed? That's a very strange point of view from someone involved in politics. I thought that was the name of the game

Looking to the past will not help predict the election next month in my opinion. Politics has seen nothing like the events in the last couple of years and the electorate is a very different body now. The local election results on Thursday/Friday showed a massive swing to the Conservatives and humiliating losses to Labour. This morning Corbyn is saying he can turn it around. He's hopeless, desperate to hang on to the leadership while his party collapses all around him. The denial is palpable... I imagine some Labour supporters today are wishing Andy Burnham had got the job, he's obviously far more popular than Corbyn, who looks like he won't step down until Labour is beyond saving.

I'm going to look forward to reading through this thread on 9th June.

Oh I think it good to look back,if politicians did a bit more looking back as to policymaking,they may avoid the same errors when things went wrong.

Elections can bring about changes unexpected as looking back to 1970 demonstrated.
If elections were just scripted with no likely change possible,what is the point of them then.

She did not need to call this election,she had,as I listed a comfortable command of votes in Parliament.
When has she ever lost a vote really yet since becoming PM.

She was the one stressing and totally ruling out any new election repeatedly until 2020.
All she has demonstrated, to me anyway, is even when she insists her word is sacrosanct,it clearly is not the case at all that it is.

Politics is near always in a different place of course,which is why I stated clearly at the very start of my post with it being different times.

The comparison however of a highly popular PM against a seemingly much weaker opposition leader then.
Doing much better in the then recent local elections and calling an election after with a lead in polling of between 12% to 18% is, in my opinion,maybe not yours,a valid consideration.


To your point on Andy Burnham,I totally agree and I am one,as you stated, who wish he was the leader,
I actually even hoped,when I was not a Labour supporter in 2010,that he could have won the leadership over either Miliband even.

Andy Burnham I respect in politics along with many others of all Parties too.

Anyway,I think it good to look back as to politics and what you often find is elections can be tricky.
Even when as this one is, at present being taken for granted by Con supporters,in that only a much greater majority for Mrs May and Co should be the only outcome.
I'd like to think it just possible voters may not like that sort of arrogance.

Mrs May is the one telling voters what they gave the Conservatives just 2 years ago is not good enough,that she is wanting more from them than last time now, at this time in this election.
I'm not saying that,she is.

[DemolitionRed]

Use Your Vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3y-tchDmJA

[Sticks]

Use Your Vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3y-tchDmJA

Does anyone know how he got on? :conf:

[DemolitionRed]

Does anyone know how he got on? :conf:

No but I would of voted for him!

[Kizzy]

Use Your Vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3y-tchDmJA

I thought that was Eileen off corrie! :joker:

[Kizzy]

Gettin!!!

:D

'If voted into government on 8 June, the Labour Party will scrap university tuition fees. On the day Labour launched its education proposals, this may be the one that wins it the general election.

The game-changing promise

While New Labour introduced tuition fees under Tony Blair, current leader Jeremy Corbyn voted against them. Corbyn also voted consistently against the subsequent rises implemented by the Tory-Lib Dem Coalition government. And if voted into Number 10 on 8 June, he will continue his commitment to free universal education by scrapping the fees altogether.

Speaking about the plan, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell said:

It’s not a commodity to be bought and sold.

So we want to introduce – just as the Attlee government with Nye Bevan introduced the National Health Service – we want to introduce a national education service.

Free at the point of need throughout life. And that means ending the cuts in the schools at primary and secondary level. It means free childcare. It means free school training when you need it throughout life.

And yes, it means scrapping tuition fees once and for all so we don’t burden our kids with debt for the future.'

SbyrWiraDEQ

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/10/labour-just-announced-the-policy-that-could-win-it-the-general-election-video/

[Wizard.]

^^ I'm fine paying the current tuition fees. I'd rather pay them than get it for free at the expense of the country.

[Kizzy]

^^ I'm fine paying the current tuition fees. I'd rather pay them than get it for free at the expense of the country.

Good for you.

[Cherie]

wow, if that doesn't get the youth off their arses to vote nothing will...when would it kick in though..

[Cherie]

^^ I'm fine paying the current tuition fees. I'd rather pay them than get it for free at the expense of the country.

I get the impression you are pretty well off though :think: I don't want my son coming out with 50K worth of debt tyvm

[Alf]

Gettin!!!

:D

'If voted into government on 8 June, the Labour Party will scrap university tuition fees. On the day Labour launched its education proposals, this may be the one that wins it the general election.

The game-changing promise

While New Labour introduced tuition fees under Tony Blair, current leader Jeremy Corbyn voted against them. Corbyn also voted consistently against the subsequent rises implemented by the Tory-Lib Dem Coalition government. And if voted into Number 10 on 8 June, he will continue his commitment to free universal education by scrapping the fees altogether.

Speaking about the plan, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell said:

It’s not a commodity to be bought and sold.

So we want to introduce – just as the Attlee government with Nye Bevan introduced the National Health Service – we want to introduce a national education service.

Free at the point of need throughout life. And that means ending the cuts in the schools at primary and secondary level. It means free childcare. It means free school training when you need it throughout life.

And yes, it means scrapping tuition fees once and for all so we don’t burden our kids with debt for the future.'

SbyrWiraDEQ

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/10/labour-just-announced-the-policy-that-could-win-it-the-general-election-video/So those are the pros, what are the cons?

[Wizard.]

Good for you.

When Labour offer people the world and everything in it their credibility goes down the drain!

[Wizard.]

I get the impression you are pretty well off though :think: I don't want my son coming out with 50K worth of debt tyvm

No, I live independently from my parents and receive the highest student loan with 9,000 a year tuition fees for 4 years so it all totals 50,000 but I entered University aware of this and I think paying back a small percentage each month once earning over £21,000 is a pretty fair deal. I'm not well off AT ALL but I am not going to go around asking for everything to be handed to me.

[Cherie]

When Labour offer people the world and everything in it their credibility goes down the drain!

They will have to show how they are going to pay for it, they manage to pay tuition fees in Scotland and fees in Wales are a third of what they are in England where is the fairness in that?

[Wizard.]

They will have to show how they are going to pay for it, they manage to pay tuition fees in Scotland and fees in Wales are a third of what they are in England where is the fairness in that?

The only reason they get it free or cheap is because it is subsidized by the British government, I actually agree with you that it's not fair at all and I would like to see Scotland and Wales pay £9,000 like us in England.

[Cherie]

No, I live independently from my parents and receive the highest student loan with 9,000 a year tuition fees for 4 years so it all totals 50,000 but I entered University aware of this and I think paying back a small percentage each month once earning over £21,000 is a pretty fair deal. I'm not well off AT ALL but I am not going to go around asking for everything to be handed to me.

9,000 x 4 = 36, the 50k kicks when you have to pay for Halls and rent accommodation in subsequent years?

[Wizard.]

9,000 x 4 = 36, the 50k kicks when you have to pay for Halls and rent accommodation in subsequent years?

Yes £36,000 for tuition then 4 x £3,500 for my student loan = £14,000 totaling £50,000 I will probably never pay it off although I hope I can, but it's a pretty fair system and I am grateful because without it I couldn't afford to go to university. University will allow me to earn more than enough to pay it back.

If you make University free the taxpayer is still paying for it. Wait until tax is extortionate to fund all of Labours projects then you'll be begging for students to pay for their OWN education and not everyone else.

[Kizzy]

Do you live with your parents? I'll ask you again ow you feel when you are trying to save for your own home, or run a car.

[Wizard.]

Labour want to introduce a National Education Service funded by raising corporation tax, but then businesses will eff off to other countries and our economy will be screwed. Then everything collapses. Scream Marxism all you like but at the end of the day without big business, you become a minuscule little Britain that nobody wants to touch with a barge pole. But that's okay because I can be spoonfed by Jeremy Corbyn, John MCdonall and Diane 'Racist' Abbott.

[Wizard.]

Do you live with your parents? I'll ask you again ow you feel when you are trying to save for your own home, or run a car.

I previously said I live independently from my parents. I get nothing from my single mother actually she borrows money off of me.

[Cherie]

Yes £36,000 for tuition then 4 x £3,500 for my student loan = £14,000 totaling £50,000 I will probably never pay it off although I hope I can, but it's a pretty fair system and I am grateful because without it I couldn't afford to go to university. University will allow me to earn more than enough to pay it back.

If you make University free the taxpayer is still paying for it. Wait until tax is extortionate to fund all of Labours projects then you'll be begging for students to pay for their OWN education and not everyone else.

But if you never pay it off the taxpayer still pays for it :shrug:

[Kizzy]

I previously said I live independently from my parents. I get nothing from my single mother actually she borrows money off of me.

Yes sorry you did, you may be happy now the student loan and any grants you may be entitled to are propping you up, fast forward a to when you want to buy... That student debt suddenly becomes a millstone.

What's wrong with tax subsidising uni fees anyway? I'm tax payer and I don't mind one bit if I am aiding the next generation fund their careers, that's how society in this country was built.

[Kizzy]

But if you never pay it off the taxpayer still pays for it :shrug:

Good point!

That is how we are funding our futures atm the debt of the young :(

[Cherie]

I previously said I live independently from my parents. I get nothing from my single mother actually she borrows money off of me.

I don't mean to be patronising, my son is at Uni and he is the same as you he thinks nothing of being in debt, I think its a terrible way to start your life

[Greg!]

^^ I'm fine paying the current tuition fees. I'd rather pay them than get it for free at the expense of the country.

Yes well lots of people aren't fine with it and can't afford to go to uni even if they want to due to tuition fees.

The only reason they get it free or cheap is because it is subsidized by the British government, I actually agree with you that it's not fair at all and I would like to see Scotland and Wales pay £9,000 like us in England.

Absolutely not the case. Scotland pays more tax per head of population than anywhere else the UK. I'm fine with that if it means people get free education throughout their lives.

Yes £36,000 for tuition then 4 x £3,500 for my student loan = £14,000 totaling £50,000 I will probably never pay it off although I hope I can, but it's a pretty fair system and I am grateful because without it I couldn't afford to go to university. University will allow me to earn more than enough to pay it back.
.

That's bad that you'll never pay it off. Why are you "grateful" for being burdened with debt for the rest of your life?? Just seems bizarre.

[Withano]

Labour want to introduce a National Education Service funded by raising corporation tax, but then businesses will eff off to other countries and our economy will be screwed. Then everything collapses. Scream Marxism all you like but at the end of the day without big business, you become a minuscule little Britain that nobody wants to touch with a barge pole. But that's okay because I can be spoonfed by Jeremy Corbyn, John MCdonall and Diane 'Racist' Abbott.

There are plenty of countries that have free education and large businesses.

[Kizzy]

Riley Has Tom Watson been to do talks at your uni?... :hehe:

[Wizard.]

Riley Has Tom Watson been to do talks at your uni?... :hehe:

No, he's probably too busy at a festival or something or slagging someone off.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Greg!;9301341]



Absolutely not the case. Scotland pays more tax per head of population than anywhere else the UK. I'm fine with that if it means people get free education throughout their lives.




How is that worked out, and what extra tax do you pay?

[Wizard.]

A moral argument is that, tuition fees are an investment in your future and how are you suppose to value your education when you take it for granted that it's free?

[Greg!]

How is that worked out, and what extra tax do you pay?

Higher earners pay slightly more income tax than the rest of the UK for one. The tories are always banging on about it like it's a bad thing

[Denver]

Higher earners pay slightly more income tax than the rest of the UK for one. The tories are always banging on about it like it's a bad thing

Why should they pay for someone else education

[Northern Monkey]

A draft of Labour's general election manifesto has been leaked, including plans to nationalise the energy industry and scrap tuition fees.
The BBC has seen a copy of the document, which has not yet been formally signed off, with the Mirror and the Daily Telegraph also reporting details.
These include nationalising railways, bus firms and the Royal Mail and renewing the Trident weapons system.
Labour would not comment on leaks.

General election 2017: Labour pledges in 'manifesto leak'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39877439

[Northern Monkey]

Not against any of the things mentioned so far

[Kizzy]

Sounds brilliant, are we really going to vote for austerity, bombs and crippling youth debt over this? :(

[Kizzy]

Might have known the torygraph would be included in this leak, they have a mole in the cabinet I bet :/

[Greg!]

Sounds brilliant, are we really going to vote for austerity, bombs and crippling youth debt over this? :(

Sadly yes!

[Denver]

Why should University be free? Its a privilege not a right

[Greg!]

It should be a right if you get the grades.

[Denver]

No its expensive so if you want it you pay.

You already get 10 years free education

[Kizzy]

Responding to press reports that a draft of the Labour manifesto has been leaked, a senior Conservative campaign source said:

"This is a total shambles. Jeremy Corbyn's plans to unleash chaos on Britain have been revealed. The commitments in this dossier will rack up tens of billions of extra borrowing for our families. Jobs will be lost, families will be hit and our economic security damaged for a generation."


So what?... We're all up to our eyes in debt anyway from 21+ many are 10s of thousands in debt.

[Denver]

Well all Labour want to do is give give give yet to fund this his plan is to borrow billions of pounds

[Kizzy]

No its expensive so if you want it you pay.

You already get 10 years free education

Why is it? tutors are only teachers, why should you be held to ransom for information in this way?

If we want to cut immigration we're going to have to educate our young people to a decent standard, we can't achieve this by relying on the privileged few.

[Kizzy]

Well all Labour want to do is give give give yet to fund this his plan is to borrow billions of pounds

This govt have doubled the national debt and we STILL have jack to show for it, the can't lecture anyone on mismanagement of funds.

[Denver]

Why is it? tutors are only teachers, why should you be held to ransom for information in this way?

If we want to cut immigration we're going to have to educate our young people to a decent standard, we can't achieve this by relying on the privileged few.

it cost around £8-10,000 per year of Uni so if someone wants to be say a brain surgeon that needs up to 15 years training you add that up and thats a lot of money for free

[joeysteele]

If this turns out to be the final draft,it looks rather impressive.
Great to see tuition fees back in play to be abolished too.

Not bad at all and nationalising energy is right in line with what I'd like to see.

[Denver]

You all cried about taxes being raised but they will have to be at atleast 35% to fund this

[Kizzy]

it cost around £8-10,000 per year of Uni so if someone wants to be say a brain surgeon that needs up to 15 years training you add that up and thats a lot of money for free

yes it is, but thin of the productivity saved by the life saving ability of the surgeon ... he/she is cost effective over time.

Don't forget too that these fees are not wanted by the tutors, they were dead against them.. the money doesn't go to them, nor is it the cost of the course provision itself. All the fees and the loans are is an insurance, that you remain an in debt wage slave for most of your adult life.

[Kizzy]

You all cried about taxes being raised but they will have to be at atleast 35% to fund this

So be it, sometimes you have to focus on the greater good.

[joeysteele]

The costings will need to be seen obviously but even a bit of borrowing should be in order 'if' needed to fund part of the proposals.

This govt.has borrowed and rightly so,it is still at this time a good time to borrow.
Far better to do so now than maybe 'have' to at less favourable rate times in the future.

If Labour were closer in the polls,I think this would have helped swing things.
I feel a good few things listed will appeal to the public.
.
When I join in canvassing for Labour next week,recalling when I did in 2015, these were things many people would have liked to hear.
So I'm looking forward to that more now,if these are some of the final policies.

[Northern Monkey]

This is all good stuff.Depending on if it works out cost wise and what else they're offering I could possibly,maybe be persuaded by Labour.

Part of me wonders if Labour leaked this early themselves?It might not be a bad tactic.
Manifesto leak with all positives in it.

[Denver]

VETERAN presenter Nick Robinson is at war with BBC bosses after being left out of the election team.

Young stars Steph McGovern, 34, and Tina Daheley, 36, have key presenting roles instead.

Former political editor Nick, 53, hosts Radio 4’s Today show and has been part of the BBC’s election coverage since 2001.

He has demanded a meeting with Jonathan Munro, the head of newsgathering, and James Harding, the director of news and current affairs.

A source said: “Nick is really unhappy and downright confused. He wasn’t told in advance and only discovered when the line-up was announced earlier this week.

[DemolitionRed]

This is all good stuff.Depending on if it works out cost wise and what else they're offering I could possibly,maybe be persuaded by Labour.

Part of me wonders if Labour leaked this early themselves?It might not be a bad tactic.
Manifesto leak with all positives in it.

This is what's drawing me back towards Labour too. A rising corporation tax above basic rate income tax is going to bring back £billions in tax avoidance. It will encourage investment, which will create growth, which will increase wages. Over all its going to stop the present stagnation.

[joeysteele]

This is what's drawing me back towards Labour too. A rising corporation tax above basic rate income tax is going to bring back £billions in tax avoidance. It will encourage investment, which will create growth, which will increase wages. Over all its going to stop the present stagnation.

Exactly, it really is time to bring to an end the 7 years of endless austerity cuts that have failed.
Yet more still to come as the Cons stick with that discredited and failed policy.

A change is needed and much of what is in the ideas leaked here, address across the board in my view,a better way that now warrants trying at least.

It's no surprise the Cons describe it as a shambles.
What is a shambles is their insistence austerity is really all they have, more persecution of sick and disabled with a real shambles of also their Universal credit policy.
Not to mention the other unsavoury policy they seem to think relevant at this time as to blood sports,despite all that is going on as to the UK at this time.

These are good ideas from Labour,it is a whole Party as a govt.who will implement this,not just one individual.

It has to be even a bit better than just more of the same failed policies of austerity and division from this Conservative Party.

[MTVN]

862614331938283520

Typical Corbyn!

[Denver]

Not Corybn trying to murder Conservative voters so he can win

[Kizzy]

Not Corybn trying to murder Conservative voters so he can win

How do you know how BBC camera operatives vote?....:/

[Kizzy]

862614331938283520

Typical Corbyn!

Wow I know the BBC is avidly trying to discredit him ...but launching themselves under his car?!

That's dedication! :laugh:

[Denver]

How do you know how BBC camera operatives vote?....:/

He looks Conservative

[Kizzy]

He looks Conservative

What? :joker:

[Kizzy]

From Matt Wrack, general secretary of the Fire Brigades Union

We wholeheartedly welcome the Labour pledge to protect fire and rescue services from further destructive cuts.

Since the Tories came into government they have undertaken an unprecedented and savage assault on fire services.

Over 10,000 frontline firefighter posts have been axed, response times to emergencies are getting slower and fire deaths are on the rise for the first time in decades.

There is a clear choice in this election between a Labour government who will invest in public services and scrap the pay cap or a Tory one that will continue to make life-threatening cuts.

Labour stands on a manifesto that will tilt power back towards working people.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/11/general-election-2017-labour-leaked-manifesto-politics-live

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/what-was-the-motivation-for-leaking-labours-manifesto-10872185

What was the motivation for leaking Labour's manifesto?

Did someone leak Labour's draft policies to expose Mr Corbyn or to protect his radical ideas? Sky's Jason Farrell takes a look.


Labour meets to agree election manifesto after draft is leaked
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-meets-to-agree-election-manifesto-after-draft-is-leaked-10872367

[Locke.]

How long is the wait usually to be confirmed as a voter? I've never cared enough to vote before but applied through the website about a week ago and haven't had any confirmation since.

[arista]

How long is the wait usually to be confirmed as a voter? I've never cared enough to vote before but applied through the website about a week ago and haven't had any confirmation since.


Phone them
give them the Date you sent it online

[DemolitionRed]

How long is the wait usually to be confirmed as a voter? I've never cared enough to vote before but applied through the website about a week ago and haven't had any confirmation since.

I have your application form sitting on my desk. If you tell me who you are voting for I'll get right back :hee:

[Kizzy]

Could I please urge people to vote Labour and where there is no Labour candidate Green, and visa versa.

Thanks :)

[Wizard.]

Could I please urge people to vote Labour and where there is no Labour candidate Green, and visa versa.

Thanks :)

Yes I will listen to you and give my valuable vote to Labour, random stranger on the internet.

Is this how lefties are really trying to get votes? Please and thank yous.

[JTM45]

Vote Labour people!!!!
The Tories are looking scummier by the second (anyone see Question Time tonight ?). Don't believe a word that they say 'cause it's all lies.

[Denver]

Vote Conservatives they wont stab you in the back like Corybn

[JTM45]

Vote Conservatives they wont stab you in the back like Corybn

Thanks! I needed a laugh.:laugh:

...........and who's this 'Corybn' you speak of ?

[Kizzy]

Yes I will listen to you and give my valuable vote to Labour, random stranger on the internet.

Is this how lefties are really trying to get votes? Please and thank yous.

Yes, maybe I should try the tory way and just take your rights and your house away?

[DemolitionRed]

You all cried about taxes being raised but they will have to be at atleast 35% to fund this

Its Corporation Tax Adam... why the hell would we cry about a raise in corporation tax?

[DemolitionRed]

Vote Conservatives they wont stab you in the back like Corybn

Corbyn hasn't stabbed us in the back. Was that predicting ?

[JTM45]

I think the people posting extremely gullible views on the Tories credibility, honesty and general likeliness to actually keep any of their promises must just be too young to have experienced them at the full depths of their foul depravity. :shrug:

[Withano]

Yes, maybe I should try the tory way and just take your rights and your house away?

:joker:

[Kizzy]

The hostility to Corbyn in the press paradoxically acts to strengthen him, according to Tom Crewe in the London Review of Books.

If the majority of Britain’s media outlets weren’t unremittingly and unthinkingly hostile – or, in the case of the BBC, occasionally and seemingly unknowingly hostile – it would be far easier to judge Corbyn’s leadership on its own merits and against its own objectives, without having always to make allowances for the effect the onslaught may have had on his behaviour as well as on his and the party’s polling. As it is, Corbyn has been given the equivalent of a get-out-of-jail-free card by many of his supporters. This is reasonable enough, but media hostility has also meant that from the very beginning the Corbyn project has been heavily invested in the idea that the greatly increased Labour membership (528,000) should play the key role in disseminating the party’s message, with Momentum activists (in theory, at least) acting as the shock troops. This is the crux of Corbyn’s vision of the Labour Party as a ‘social movement’. As a political strategy it has so far gone largely unexamined. But there is no doubt that Corbyn’s supporters believe strongly in it, and a political dynamic has been created whereby Corbyn’s weakness calls for ever greater efforts on his behalf: the problem can only be that more people need to hear his message, direct from the source.'


Can anyone decipher this for me please?

From what I understand it appears incredulous that some may look beyond the media drubbing and actually like what they hear from this man and stand behind his vision for the UK...

If more people heard the news from the source and not the spin I feel there would be an increase in support I don't support Corbyn because I feel sorry for him... that's a rather patronising suggestion imo, it's suggesting that he has support not because he is coherent and lucid in what he says but simply because it's unfair not to due to his ill treatment in the press :/

God forbid that the Labour leader, the Labour members and voters should re edify what the Labour party was formed for and what it now stands for.... Surely that's someone elses job?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/12/general-election-2017-no-more-handholding-trump-corbyn-politics-live

[Kizzy]

Unbelievable! of all the issues facing the public in the UK this is what may chooses to focus on ffs!!

GET HER OUT!!!

'Theresa May has defended her support for fox hunting, arguing that foxes must be killed and that hunting them with dogs on horseback is the most humane way of doing so.

The Prime Minister said she had “always supported fox hunting” and that she would give Parliament a vote on bringing back the animal killings.

“Some of the other forms of dealing with foxes can be cruel, so my view is it should be a free vote for Parliament so members of parliament individually should be able to exercise their view on this matter,” she said.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-fox-hunting-conservatives-tories-ban-bring-back-repeal-hunting-act-general-election-2017-a7737881.html

[Northern Monkey]

Unbelievable! of all the issues facing the public in the UK this is what may chooses to focus on ffs!!

GET HER OUT!!!

'Theresa May has defended her support for fox hunting, arguing that foxes must be killed and that hunting them with dogs on horseback is the most humane way of doing so.

The Prime Minister said she had “always supported fox hunting” and that she would give Parliament a vote on bringing back the animal killings.

“Some of the other forms of dealing with foxes can be cruel, so my view is it should be a free vote for Parliament so members of parliament individually should be able to exercise their view on this matter,” she said.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-fox-hunting-conservatives-tories-ban-bring-back-repeal-hunting-act-general-election-2017-a7737881.htmlShe can't honestly expect us to believe that setting dogs to rip them to pieces is the most humane way of controlling Fox populations:facepalm:

[MTVN]

She's not really focusing on it, she was asked a question specifically about it when she was doing the live stream Q&A. It's the anti-hunt people who seem completely obsessed with it despite the vast majority of them being completely detached from the issues surrounding it and living far away from the areas it happens in

[smudgie]

Hardly making it an issue of focus when she says in answer to the question that it is not the most important issue and says clearly that she is not saying she is bringing it back.
She was asked a question and answered it honestly, the fox hunting vote has been on the cards before she came into power.:shrug:

[Livia]

If anything it will be up for a free vote. No way would they be stupid enough to risk the uproar the reintroduction of hunting would cause.

[DemolitionRed]

If anything it will be up for a free vote. No way would they be stupid enough to risk the uproar the reintroduction of hunting would cause.

And we all know that a free vote would go against May. Hence this is still all about political deflection.

[DemolitionRed]

Perhaps she needs to change her popular slogan to "Strong, stable and cruel leadership".

[MTVN]

Labour release their manifesto and funding document but don't say how they are going to fund all their nationalisation projects which would cost in the tens of billions..

[Cherie]

The hostility to Corbyn in the press paradoxically acts to strengthen him, according to Tom Crewe in the London Review of Books.

If the majority of Britain’s media outlets weren’t unremittingly and unthinkingly hostile – or, in the case of the BBC, occasionally and seemingly unknowingly hostile – it would be far easier to judge Corbyn’s leadership on its own merits and against its own objectives, without having always to make allowances for the effect the onslaught may have had on his behaviour as well as on his and the party’s polling. As it is, Corbyn has been given the equivalent of a get-out-of-jail-free card by many of his supporters. This is reasonable enough, but media hostility has also meant that from the very beginning the Corbyn project has been heavily invested in the idea that the greatly increased Labour membership (528,000) should play the key role in disseminating the party’s message, with Momentum activists (in theory, at least) acting as the shock troops. This is the crux of Corbyn’s vision of the Labour Party as a ‘social movement’. As a political strategy it has so far gone largely unexamined. But there is no doubt that Corbyn’s supporters believe strongly in it, and a political dynamic has been created whereby Corbyn’s weakness calls for ever greater efforts on his behalf: the problem can only be that more people need to hear his message, direct from the source.'


Can anyone decipher this for me please?

From what I understand it appears incredulous that some may look beyond the media drubbing and actually like what they hear from this man and stand behind his vision for the UK...

If more people heard the news from the source and not the spin I feel there would be an increase in support I don't support Corbyn because I feel sorry for him... that's a rather patronising suggestion imo, it's suggesting that he has support not because he is coherent and lucid in what he says but simply because it's unfair not to due to his ill treatment in the press :/

God forbid that the Labour leader, the Labour members and voters should re edify what the Labour party was formed for and what it now stands for.... Surely that's someone elses job?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/12/general-election-2017-no-more-handholding-trump-corbyn-politics-live



He should appear on TV more and have more interviews so the public can judge for themselves, I saw him being interviewed last night by Julie Etchingham and he came across well, rather than the bumbling idiot the press would have you believe

[Cherie]

I also liked that he used May's FB live platform to put his point about debating across.

[Cherie]

She can't honestly expect us to believe that setting dogs to rip them to pieces is the most humane way of controlling Fox populations:facepalm:

yeah I thought her comment about culling was atrocious, would most people accept a badger or a deer being culled in this way...nope

[Northern Monkey]

Labour release their manifesto and funding document but don't say how they are going to fund all their nationalisation projects which would cost in the tens of billions..

Yeah,Everything looks like it will be popular.
Just waiting for the full costings.

If the renationalisation can be paid for somehow then you never know.Labour could do a little better than expected.Maybe even a vote from me.

The problem is their image crisis.Many people don't vote on policy.I've seen interviews with people on the street who say things like 'I wouldn't vote for Corbyn if it's the last thing i do'.
They have a real problem there.

The Daily Politics summed it up nicely.Somebody said that - "everything on the menu might look nice but if you don't like the restaurant you might not stay and eat"

[Northern Monkey]

yeah I thought her comment about culling was atrocious, would most people accept a badger or a deer being culled in this way...nope

I didn't watch but i got the gist from the comments

[Alf]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_8HioqVoAAZR1V.jpg:large

[Cherie]

Yeah,Everything looks like it will be popular.
Just waiting for the full costings.

If the renationalisation can be paid for somehow then you never know.Labour could do a little better than expected.Maybe even a vote from me.

The problem is their image crisis.Many people don't vote on policy.I've seen interviews with people on the street who say things like 'I wouldn't vote for Corbyn if it's the last thing i do'.
They have a real problem there.

The Daily Politics summed it up nicely.Somebody said that - "everything on the menu might look nice but if you don't like the restaurant you might not stay and eat"

I can't understand how May is so popular, she is your typical hooray henry type to me :shrug: I don't find her very honest either

[Northern Monkey]

I can't understand how May is so popular, she is your typical hooray henry type to me :shrug: I don't find her very honest either

Well she'll get all the usual Tory votes and Corbyn has alienated everyone who earns over 80k in his manifesto.But i think May comes over as quite 'strong and stable' :facepalm: wheras Corbyn has been quite the opposite.Brexit coming up and people are subconsciously nervous about it.Not to mention the media annihilating him.Plus she's a woman which will work in her favour.It would take an act of god for a Labour victory no matter how good the manifesto is imo.

[Northern Monkey]

I think almost any other leader on this manifesto would do pretty well.Corbyn is the weak link.Keep the manifesto and ditch the leader.I think that will be recognised after this election and Jezza will be growing veggies on his allotment

[Alf]

Well she'll get all the usual Tory votes and Corbyn has alienated everyone who earns over 80k in his manifesto.But i think May comes over as quite 'strong and stable' :facepalm: wheras Corbyn has been quite the opposite.Brexit coming up and people are subconsciously nervous about it.Not to mention the media annihilating him.Plus she's a woman which will work in her favour.It would take an act of god for a Labour victory no matter how good the manifesto is imo.80k? is that who he's claiming to be rich?

Well you shouldn't be surprised to know that Corbyn earns just under 80k. He earns something like 76k. What a stroke of luck that he falls just short of being well-off.

My question to him is, why 80k? why not 70k? I'd say 70k a year makes you well-off.

[smudgie]

80k? is that who he's claiming to be rich?

Well you shouldn't be surprised to know that Corbyn earns just under 80k. He earns something like 76k. What a stroke of luck that he falls just short of being well-off.

My question to him is, why 80k? why not 70k? I'd say 70k a year makes you well-off.

He earns over £130k as leader of the opposition.
He is comfortable, has always been comfortable.
He is the one brought up in the big house, Theresa May is a vicars daughter...:shrug:

[Alf]

He earns over £130k as leader of the opposition.
He is comfortable, has always been comfortable.
He is the one brought up in the big house, Theresa May is a vicars daughter...:shrug:The basic salary for a MP is 74k. So they will miss out on the rich tax. But then there's added expenses, which would take them well over 80k.

[joeysteele]

yeah I thought her comment about culling was atrocious, would most people accept a badger or a deer being culled in this way...nope

I cannot print here what I'd like to use to describe her comment as to culling.
It just shows further the rotten mind she really has and very warped sick thinking.

For any thinking her vote to legalise foxhunting will be lost,I wish they could be made to fully guarantee that.
With a great number of Con MPs,even in a freevote,this will be passed.
She supports it,if she does get a much larger of Con MPs elected,they will be grateful to her for that.
So freevote aside,since she strongly supports this vile act,and the fact she wants it back by proposing legislation to do so.
They will,with token abstentions likely only,ensure more than enough to votes for her to get this barbarism legalised again.

Anyone voting Conservative will open the door for this to be back,a door that should never be thought of as to opening ,never mind voting for it to be.

This election is tedious really,policies don't matter,all she is making this election about is brexit,claiming she needs a stronger mandate for negotiations.
That from someone who only caused dismay and anger across her brief as home Secretary,even with the Police forces.
She has never successfully negotiated anything.
Why should she be trusted with brexit after her past record in govt.

Also as to both main parties I am really sick to death of hearing 'strong and stable' and from Labour 'the many not the few'.
An election needs to inform across on all important issues,not be about who says the slogans the most times.
Theresa May has in my view,one thing only she is good at, that is completely deceiving voters across the board.

[DemolitionRed]

80k? is that who he's claiming to be rich?

Well you shouldn't be surprised to know that Corbyn earns just under 80k. He earns something like 76k. What a stroke of luck that he falls just short of being well-off.

My question to him is, why 80k? why not 70k? I'd say 70k a year makes you well-off.

But if he becomes PM he will be earning £150,000 a year and this tax will only come about when he's PM!

[Cherie]

80k? is that who he's claiming to be rich?

Well you shouldn't be surprised to know that Corbyn earns just under 80k. He earns something like 76k. What a stroke of luck that he falls just short of being well-off.

My question to him is, why 80k? why not 70k? I'd say 70k a year makes you well-off.

He actually earns 137 k confirmed himself on his interview last night

[Cherie]

The basic salary for a MP is 74k. So they will miss out on the rich tax. But then there's added expenses, which would take them well over 80k.

He gets more than an MP as he is leader of the party

[Cherie]

I cannot print here what I'd like to use to describe her comment as to culling.
It just shows further the rotten mind she really has and very warped sick thinking.

For any thinking her vote to legalise foxhunting will be lost,I wish they could be made to fully guarantee that.
With a great number of Con MPs,even in a freevote,this will be passed.
She supports it,if she does get a much larger of Con MPs elected,they will be grateful to her for that.
So freevote aside,since she strongly supports this vile act,and the fact she wants it back by proposing legislation to do so.
They will,with token abstentions likely only,ensure more than enough to votes for her to get this barbarism legalised again.

Anyone voting Conservative will open the door for this to be back,a door that should never be thought of as to opening ,never mind voting for it to be.

This election is tedious really,policies don't matter,all she is making this election about is brexit,claiming she needs a stronger mandate for negotiations.
That from someone who only caused dismay and anger across her brief as home Secretary,even with the Police forces.
She has never successfully negotiated anything.
Why should she be trusted with brexit after her past record in govt.

Also as to both main parties I am really sick to death of hearing 'strong and stable' and from Labour 'the many not the few'.
An election needs to inform across on all important issues,not be about who says the slogans the most times.
Theresa May has in my view,one thing only she is good at, that is completely deceiving voters across the board.

I think Brexit will go one of two ways, we will remain in the single market or we will walk away there won't be any deal

[Cherie]

He earns over £130k as leader of the opposition.
He is comfortable, has always been comfortable.
He is the one brought up in the big house, Theresa May is a vicars daughter...:shrug:

Makes you wonder why she is all for the rich getting richer while he on the other hand wants more fairness :laugh:

[smudgie]

The basic salary for a MP is 74k. So they will miss out on the rich tax. But then there's added expenses, which would take them well over 80k.

He gets the basic salary plus an extra salary for being leader.
It was on his interview last night on ITV.

[Alf]

He gets the basic salary plus an extra salary for being leader.
It was on his interview last night on ITV.Still, it works out well for all the other MPs. They just miss out.

[MTVN]

Anyone earning over £100k will effectively be paying tax of 73.2% once everything is factored in, that's crazy

[smudgie]

Anyone earning over £100k will effectively be paying tax of 73.2% once everything is factored in, that's crazy

Yep, let us hope it doesn't chase the high earners away from the country like last time.

[DemolitionRed]

From what I understand; it will be 45% after £80,000 and up to £123,000. Any earnings after 123K will be taxed at 50%.

http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Funding%20Britain%27s%20Future.PDF
Labour said it would raise £48.6bn from higher taxes, including placing levies on companies with excessive pay, raising corporation tax to 26%, cracking down on tax avoidance and ending corporate tax relief.

If we want to get rid of the disease that is presently running this country, we need to be radical. Unfortunately, I don't think this is radical enough.

On the whole though, I think the Labour Manifesto is the best we've seen in a long time; especially corporation tax.

[joeysteele]

From what I understand; it will be 45% after £80,000 and up to £123,000. Any earnings after 123K will be taxed at 50%.

http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Funding%20Britain%27s%20Future.PDF
Labour said it would raise £48.6bn from higher taxes, including placing levies on companies with excessive pay, raising corporation tax to 26%, cracking down on tax avoidance and ending corporate tax relief.

If we want to get rid of the disease that is presently running this country, we need to be radical. Unfortunately, I don't think this is radical enough.

On the whole though, I think the Labour Manifesto is the best we've seen in a long time; especially corporation tax.




Good post again.

As to your last paragraph, I agree, this is a really good manifesto from Labour.

[Kizzy]

She's not really focusing on it, she was asked a question specifically about it when she was doing the live stream Q&A. It's the anti-hunt people who seem completely obsessed with it despite the vast majority of them being completely detached from the issues surrounding it and living far away from the areas it happens in

She has promised a vote, that is doing more than touch on it in a Q&A, and why would how close you are geographically matter to how you respond to something ethically?

[Kizzy]

He should appear on TV more and have more interviews so the public can judge for themselves, I saw him being interviewed last night by Julie Etchingham and he came across well, rather than the bumbling idiot the press would have you believe

He's all over the place, have a look on you tube he's been interviewed by everyone and his dog over the last few weeks, he is in Yorkshire now my niece has been to a talk today at uni where he is the guest. He was in Leeds the other day and I missed him there were literally 1000s of people to greet him :)

He is far far from a bumbling idiot.

[DemolitionRed]

Good post again.

As to your last paragraph, I agree, this is a really good manifesto from Labour.

Thanks Joey :hug:

[DemolitionRed]

He's all over the place, have a look on you tube he's been interviewed by everyone and his dog over the last few weeks, he is in Yorkshire now my niece has been to a talk today at uni where he is the guest. He was in Leeds the other day and I missed him there were literally 1000s of people to greet him :)

He is far far from a bumbling idiot.

He certainly knows how to pull a crowd!

[Cherie]

He's all over the place, have a look on you tube he's been interviewed by everyone and his dog over the last few weeks, he is in Yorkshire now my niece has been to a talk today at uni where he is the guest. He was in Leeds the other day and I missed him there were literally 1000s of people to greet him :)

He is far far from a bumbling idiot.

What I meant was more mainstream TV... YouTube isn't going to attract the age of voters Labour needs

[Kazanne]

As an afterthought on the foxhunting issue,people must be aware it still goes on even though it's been made illegal,so I am asking why the scum who do it are not brought to task,so even though it is banned it still goes on,so even if it came back it would be any different than it is now,it needs banning properly and policing or not at all,no good just having a law that people can just ignore (and they do) it must have been so good for the other parties when this leaked though as it's given them something to bash the Tories for although people from ALL parties fox hunt. If it goes to a vote ,let it be banned for good.

[MTVN]

From what I understand; it will be 45% after £80,000 and up to £123,000. Any earnings after 123K will be taxed at 50%.

http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Funding%20Britain%27s%20Future.PDF
Labour said it would raise £48.6bn from higher taxes, including placing levies on companies with excessive pay, raising corporation tax to 26%, cracking down on tax avoidance and ending corporate tax relief.

If we want to get rid of the disease that is presently running this country, we need to be radical. Unfortunately, I don't think this is radical enough.

On the whole though, I think the Labour Manifesto is the best we've seen in a long time; especially corporation tax.

The figure I mentioned factors in other taxes such as National Insurance. From the BBC live feed today:

High earners facing effective tax rate of 73.2%

As things stand Labour's plans could mean people earning between £100,000 and £123,000 will pay 73.2% in tax once employer and employee National Insurance contributions, as well as income tax, are factored in.

That, the Institute for Fiscal Studies points out, is because the party hasn't removed "the absurd and arbitrary marginal income tax band" affecting this group "which arises from the policy described as withdrawing the personal allowance".

The personal allowance - the amount you can earn without it being taxed at all - currently stands at £11,000 but is withdrawn where an individual’s income exceeds £100,000.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-39906665

[Kizzy]

What I meant was more mainstream TV... YouTube isn't going to attract the age of voters Labour needs

It is mainstream.. I just meant all the interviews from across the TV channels are on youtube.

[Kizzy]

The figure I mentioned factors in other taxes such as National Insurance. From the BBC live feed today:

High earners facing effective tax rate of 73.2%

As things stand Labour's plans could mean people earning between £100,000 and £123,000 will pay 73.2% in tax once employer and employee National Insurance contributions, as well as income tax, are factored in.

That, the Institute for Fiscal Studies points out, is because the party hasn't removed "the absurd and arbitrary marginal income tax band" affecting this group "which arises from the policy described as withdrawing the personal allowance".

The personal allowance - the amount you can earn without it being taxed at all - currently stands at £11,000 but is withdrawn where an individual’s income exceeds £100,000.


The personal allowance is £11,500... They can't even get the basics right! :joker:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-39906665

[DemolitionRed]

As an afterthought on the foxhunting issue,people must be aware it still goes on even though it's been made illegal,so I am asking why the scum who do it are not brought to task,so even though it is banned it still goes on,so even if it came back it would be any different than it is now,it needs banning properly and policing or not at all,no good just having a law that people can just ignore (and they do) it must have been so good for the other parties when this leaked though as it's given them something to bash the Tories for although people from ALL parties fox hunt. If it goes to a vote ,let it be banned for good.

Its a good point and you're right, it does still go on. The difference between then and now is, its now illegal for dogs to kill the fox and not more than two dogs are allowed on the hunt. The dogs are allowed to flush a fox out but only for the chase. Terriermen are now illegal. These are the guys that used to stick poles covered in barbed wire down burrows and drag the terrified and now wounded fox out to give to the hounds.

The problem is, people are still so keen to fox hunt, they have taken to 'lamping' (going out under the cover of darkness).

[DemolitionRed]

Oh and another thing that is no longer permitted is the import of foxes to the UK.

[DemolitionRed]

The figure I mentioned factors in other taxes such as National Insurance. From the BBC live feed today:

73% of what though? Its certainly not 73% of their entire earnings!