USA : President Joe Biden 3rd Nov 2020

[Liam-]

How anyone can talk down trumps obvious play for autonomy is unbelievable. .. Surely even the reddest necks won't go for that in the US?

Of course they will, as long as the person in charge hates the same people they do

[arista]

Did she mention his name? No.

She’s allowed to tell people to vote, it’s very telling though that she says to reject hatred and people naturally assume she’s attacking Trump, is shows what people really think of him


NO
she attacked Trump years ago
First

[Liam-]

NO
she attacked Trump years ago
First


Ah, so he’s a petty bitch that holds grudges, got it

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Ah, so he’s a petty bitch that holds grudges, got it


Everyone Knows if you Attack Trump
he Holds a grudge Forever

[arista]

https://i.imgur.com/DxDxdGw.gif


Yes thats what many say.

[arista]

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[Liam-]

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[Beso]

Everyone Knows if you Attack Trump
he Holds a grudge Forever

Maybe hes still in the closet.

[Kizzy]

What I don't understand is why there's even the 'will you accept the decision' question anyway... if he is voted out of office he ceases to be chief in command of the army doesn't he? So he will simply be removed from the white house.

[bots]

even if he contests the election and it goes to court, his term ends in january, if there is no agreed president by that time, the speaker (probably Nancy) runs the country until a new president is installed. The term isn't extended to take account of a court battle

[The Slim Reaper]

What I don't understand is why there's even the 'will you accept the decision' question anyway... if he is voted out of office he ceases to be chief in command of the army doesn't he? So he will simply be removed from the white house.

Pretty sure that it's until the next person is sworn in. Once the next person is sworn in, then he can be removed physically as none of the services are answerable to him. He does have the period between the election and signing day where he has powers to do all manner of crazy stuff, like forcing martial law as the easiest example, to try and make sure the next person can't be sworn in.

[bots]

Pretty sure that it's until the next person is sworn in. Once the next person is sworn in, then he can be removed physically as none of the services are answerable to him. He does have the period between the election and signing day where he has powers to do all manner of crazy stuff, like forcing martial law as the easiest example, to try and make sure the next person can't be sworn in.

executive orders can be over turned the moment his term ends by the speaker if there is no current president

[The Slim Reaper]

executive orders can be over turned the moment his term ends by the speaker if there is no current president

He may not have to use executive orders, there are constitutional procedures he can use.

[Kizzy]

But don't the Dems run Congress? he won't get any laws passed will he?

[The Slim Reaper]

Dems hold the house, R's hold the senate and the court, 3 out of the 9 justices will owe their seats directly to him by the time the election comes around. 6-3 advantage to R's.

[bots]

there are certain non permanent things he can do unilaterally without needing to go to congress ... it all depends what the new shape of the houses are after the election

[The Slim Reaper]

It's actually pretty crazy that this is even a discussion. People wonder how germany ended up where they did; watching the US and UK today is how. Rights are being continually eroded, and laws are being increasingly ignored.

[Tom4784]

These next few months will determine the course of democracy worldwide. If Trump loses the election and manages to keep the presidency, then that will be noted by his peers all around the world. When Trump won the presidency in 2016, you soon saw Jair Bolsonero's rise to power in Brazil along with Racists and fascists gaining prominence in many western countries of which they had little to none before, if he holds onto power by ignoring the election, others will follow suit, or at least try to.

Donald Trump must be stopped.

[The Slim Reaper]

Good news.

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[Tom4784]

Yes, that's good, but I do think that the republicans will soon ignore it if they get a whiff of Trump potentially getting away with remaining in power. They refused to hold him accountable in the impeachment hearings so if he can remain in power then they'll probably bend over backwards to keep it that way.

[The Slim Reaper]

If there's one thing R's love more than trump, it's their senate cash cow.

Some of those senators will be up for reelection in the mid terms in 2022, doesn't guarantee anything but it makes it a lot less likely they support trump in doing crazy stuff, when he'll do that on his own. Where it gets murky is the effort to delegitimize any voting.

Although if I remember correctly from bush/gore, I think all that goes through the house, not the senate.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

trumps tax returns have leaked

The New York Times has obtained tax-return data for President Trump and his companies that covers more than two decades. Mr. Trump has long refused to release this information, making him the first president in decades to hide basic details about his finances. His refusal has made his tax returns among the most sought-after documents in recent memory.

Among the key findings of The Times’s investigation:

Mr. Trump paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years that The Times examined. In 2017, after he became president, his tax bill was only $750.

He has reduced his tax bill with questionable measures, including a $72.9 million tax refund that is the subject of an audit by the Internal Revenue Service.

Many of his signature businesses, including his golf courses, report losing large amounts of money — losses that have helped him to lower his taxes.

The financial pressure on him is increasing as hundreds of millions of dollars in loans he personally guaranteed are soon coming due.

Even while declaring losses, he has managed to enjoy a lavish lifestyle by taking tax deductions on what most people would consider personal expenses, including residences, aircraft and $70,000 in hairstyling for television.

Ivanka Trump, while working as an employee of the Trump Organization, appears to have received “consulting fees” that also helped reduce the family’s tax bill.

As president, he has received more money from foreign sources and U.S. interest groups than previously known. The records do not reveal any previously unreported connections to Russia.

It is important to remember that the returns are not an unvarnished look at Mr. Trump’s business activity. They are instead his own portrayal of his companies, compiled for the I.R.S. But they do offer the most detailed picture yet available.

Below is a deeper look at the takeaways. The main article based on the investigation contains much more information, as does a timeline of the president’s finances. Dean Baquet, the executive editor, has written a note explaining why The Times is publishing these findings.

The president’s tax avoidance
Mr. Trump has paid no federal income taxes for much of the past two decades.
In addition to the 11 years in which he paid no taxes during the 18 years examined by The Times, he paid only $750 in each of the two most recent years — 2016 and 2017.

He has managed to avoid taxes while enjoying the lifestyle of a billionaire — which he claims to be — while his companies cover the costs of what many would consider personal expenses.

This tax avoidance sets him apart from most other affluent Americans.
Taxes on wealthy Americans have declined sharply over the past few decades, and many use loopholes to reduce their taxes below the statutory rates. But most affluent people still pay a lot of federal income tax.

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In 2017, the average federal income rate for the highest-earning .001 percent of tax filers — that is, the most affluent 1/100,000th slice of the population — was 24.1 percent, according to the I.R.S.

Over the past two decades, Mr. Trump has paid about $400 million less in combined federal income taxes than a very wealthy person who paid the average for that group each year.

His tax avoidance also sets him apart from past presidents.
Mr. Trump may be the wealthiest U.S. president in history. Yet he has often paid less in taxes than other recent presidents. Barack Obama and George W. Bush each regularly paid more than $100,000 a year — and sometimes much more — in federal income taxes while in office.

Mr. Trump, by contrast, is running a federal government to which he has contributed almost no income tax revenue in many years.

A large refund has been crucial to his tax avoidance.
Mr. Trump did face large tax bills after the initial success of “The Apprentice” television show, but he erased most of these tax payments through a refund. Combined, Mr. Trump initially paid almost $95 million in federal income taxes over the 18 years. He later managed to recoup most of that money, with interest, by applying for and receiving a $72.9 million tax refund, starting in 2010.

The refund reduced his total federal income tax bill between 2000 and 2017 to an annual average of $1.4 million. By comparison, the average American in the top .001 percent of earners paid about $25 million in federal income taxes each year over the same span.

The $72.9 million refund has since become the subject of a long-running battle with the I.R.S.
When applying for the refund, he cited a giant financial loss that may be related to the failure of his Atlantic City casinos. Publicly, he also claimed that he had fully surrendered his stake in the casinos.

But the real story may be different from the one he told. Federal law holds that investors can claim a total loss on an investment, as Mr. Trump did, only if they receive nothing in return. Mr. Trump did appear to receive something in return: 5 percent of the new casino company that formed when he renounced his stake.

In 2011, the I.R.S. began an audit reviewing the legitimacy of the refund. Almost a decade later, the case remains unresolved, for unknown reasons, and could ultimately end up in federal court, where it could become a matter of public record.

Business expenses and personal benefits
Mr. Trump classifies much of the spending on his personal lifestyle as the cost of business.
His residences are part of the family business, as are the golf courses where he spends so much time. He has classified the cost of his aircraft, used to shuttle him among his homes, as a business expense as well. Haircuts — including more than $70,000 to style his hair during “The Apprentice” — have fallen into the same category. So did almost $100,000 paid to a favorite hair and makeup artist of Ivanka Trump.

All of this helps to reduce Mr. Trump’s tax bill further, because companies can write off business expenses.

Seven Springs, his estate in Westchester County, N.Y., typifies his aggressive definition of business expenses.
Mr. Trump bought the estate, which stretches over more than 200 acres in Bedford, N.Y., in 1996. His sons Eric and Donald Jr. spent summers living there when they were younger. “This is really our compound,” Eric told Forbes in 2014. “Today,” the Trump Organization website continues to report, “Seven Springs is used as a retreat for the Trump family.”

Nonetheless, the elder Mr. Trump has classified the estate as an investment property, distinct from a personal residence. As a result, he has been able to write off $2.2 million in property taxes since 2014 — even as his 2017 tax law has limited individuals to writing off only $10,000 in property taxes a year.

The ‘consulting fees’
Across nearly all of his projects, Mr. Trump’s companies set aside about 20 percent of income for unexplained ‘consulting fees.’
These fees reduce taxes, because companies are able to write them off as a business expense, lowering the amount of final profit subject to tax.

Mr. Trump collected $5 million on a hotel deal in Azerbaijan, for example, and reported $1.1 million in consulting fees. In Dubai, there was a $630,000 fee on $3 million in income. Since 2010, Mr. Trump has written off some $26 million in such fees.

His daughter appears to have received some of these consulting fees, despite having been a top Trump Organization executive.
The Times investigation discovered a striking match: Mr. Trump’s private records show that his company once paid $747,622 in fees to an unnamed consultant for hotel projects in Hawaii and Vancouver, British Columbia. Ivanka Trump’s public disclosure forms — which she filed when joining the White House staff in 2017 — show that she had received an identical amount through a consulting company she co-owned.

Money-losing businesses
Many of the highest-profile Trump businesses lose large amounts of money.
Since 2000, he has reported losing more than $315 million at the golf courses that he often describes as the heart of his empire. Much of this has been at Trump National Doral, a resort near Miami that he bought in 2012. And his Washington hotel, opened in 2016, has lost more than $55 million.

An exception: Trump Tower in New York, which reliably earns him more than $20 million in profits a year.

The most successful part of the Trump business has been his personal brand.
The Times calculates that between 2004 and 2018, Mr. Trump made a combined $427.4 million from selling his image — an image of unapologetic wealth through shrewd business management. The marketing of this image has been a huge success, even if the underlying management of many of the operating Trump companies has not been.

Other firms, especially in real estate, have paid for the right to use the Trump name. The brand made possible the “The Apprentice” — and the show then took the image to another level.

Of course, Mr. Trump’s brand also made possible his election as the first United States president with no prior government experience.

But his unprofitable companies still served a financial purpose: reducing his tax bill.
The Trump Organization — a collection of more than 500 entities, virtually all of them wholly owned by Mr. Trump — has used the losses to offset the rich profits from the licensing of the Trump brand and other profitable pieces of its business.

The reported losses from the operating businesses were so large that they often fully erased the licensing income, leaving the organization to claim that it earns no money and thus owes no taxes. This pattern is an old one for Mr. Trump. The collapse of major parts of his business in the early 1990s generated huge losses that he used to reduce his taxes for years afterward.

Large bills looming
With the cash from ‘The Apprentice,’ Mr. Trump went on his biggest buying spree since the 1980s.
“The Apprentice,” which debuted on NBC in 2004, was a huge hit. Mr. Trump received 50 percent of its profits, and he went on to buy more than 10 golf courses and multiple other properties. The losses at these properties reduced his tax bill.

But the strategy ran into trouble as the money from “The Apprentice” began to decline. By 2015, his financial condition was worsening.

His 2016 presidential campaign may have been partly an attempt to resuscitate his brand.
The financial records do not answer this question definitively. But the timing is consistent: Mr. Trump announced a campaign that seemed a long shot to win, but was almost certain to bring him newfound attention, at the same time that his businesses were in need of a new approach.

The presidency has helped his business.
Since he became a leading presidential candidate, he has received large amounts of money from lobbyists, politicians and foreign officials who pay to stay at his properties or join his clubs. The Times investigation puts precise numbers on this spending for the first time.

A surge of new members at the Mar-a-Lago club in Florida gave him an additional $5 million a year from the business since 2015. The roofing materials manufacturer GAF spent at least $1.5 million at Doral in 2018 as its industry was seeking changes in federal regulations. The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association paid at least $397,602 in 2017 to the Washington hotel, where it held at least one event during its World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians.

In his first two years in the White House, Mr. Trump received millions of dollars from projects in foreign countries, including $3 million from the Philippines, $2.3 million from India and $1 million from Turkey.

But the presidency has not resolved his core financial problem: Many of his businesses continue to lose money.
With “The Apprentice” revenue declining, Mr. Trump has absorbed the losses partly through one-time financial moves that may not be available to him again.

In 2012, he took out a $100 million mortgage on the commercial space in Trump Tower. He has also sold hundreds of millions worth of stock and bonds. But his financial records indicate that he may have as little as $873,000 left to sell.

He will soon face several major bills that could put further pressure on his finances.
He appears to have paid off none of the principal of the Trump Tower mortgage, and the full $100 million comes due in 2022. And if he loses his dispute with the I.R.S. over the 2010 refund, he could owe the government more than $100 million (including interest on the original amount).

He is personally on the hook for some of these bills.
In the 1990s, Mr. Trump nearly ruined himself by personally guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, and he has since said that he regretted doing so. But he has taken the same step again, his tax records show. He appears to be responsible for loans totaling $421 million, most of which is coming due within four years.

Should he win re-election, his lenders could be placed in the unprecedented position of weighing whether to foreclose on a sitting president. Whether he wins or loses, he will probably need to find new ways to use his brand — and his popularity among tens of millions of Americans — to make money.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-takeaways.html

[Kizzy]

I hope Americans find that information renders him unelectable!

[arista]

The First Debate of Trump Vs Biden

Is Live Wednesday 2AM on SkyNewsHD and BBCNewsHD

[Tom4784]

His base will support him blindly until the end of time, but hopefully it'll hold sway with the undecided.

[GiRTh]

The ten key points from Donald Trump's tax returns (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/28/ten-biggest-revelations-trumps-tax-returns/)

Just wow. Donnie only paid $750 in tax year 2016 while Obama paid over a million in his first year in office.

[bots]

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[arista]

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[Swan]

Yeah, it's Biden's to lose now.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

...that’s so dodgy...a multi millionaire not paying tax at all for several years and one year only paying 750 dollars...a multi millionaire...?...how could he not have been investigated in the blink of an eye, I mean it would have jumped off the page at them....that’s so, so dodgy, surely...that, that could have happened...

[bots]

trump supporters will think he did well managing to evade tax :laugh:

[Ammi]

...I’m just totally focused on how the tax office could have not noticed a multi millionaire either not paying tax at all or just a few hundred dollars...:laugh:...does the Donald own all of the tax office staff or something.../...weird and incredible...

[Josy]

Not a trump supporter here before anyone suggests it...

Is this even that unusual though? Or is it just because its trump :shrug: most big businesses pay very little if any tax and it's not the business owner personally that files the returns it's the accountants.

[arista]

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[Josy]

The ten key points from Donald Trump's tax returns (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/28/ten-biggest-revelations-trumps-tax-returns/)

Just wow. Donnie only paid $750 in tax year 2016 while Obama paid over a million in his first year in office.Doesnt trump donate his presidential salary to various charities?

I'm sure I read that earlier.

[bots]

Not a trump supporter here before anyone suggests it...

Is this even that unusual though? Or is it just because its trump :shrug: most big businesses pay very little if any tax and it's not the business owner personally that files the returns it's the accountants.

these are trumps personal taxes, he has no income and he has personal loans for 1.1 billion ... underwritten by him personally. He hasn't kept a clear partition between the business and personal.... rules applicable for business are not applicable on a personal level ... and that's where he has ****ed up

[Josy]

these are trumps personal taxes, he has no income and he has personal loans for 1.1 billion ... underwritten by him personally. He hasn't kept a clear partition between the business and personal.... rules applicable for business are not applicable on a personal level ... and that's where he has ****ed upAh right I wasnt aware it was his personal tax

[bots]

Doesnt trump donate his presidential salary to various charities?

I'm sure I read that earlier.

he says it, but that doesn't make it true :laugh:

Everybody is going yeah first debate tomorrow ... but Trump will just lie and be a tit, same as he always does. its not a useful platform at all :hee:

[GiRTh]

In 2016 Trump campaigned on getting rid of the billionaire tax loop holes but instead he took advantage of them These reports also show he's a terrible business man. He's got over $300 million dollars in loans that will soon become due. He's got nowhere near enough money to pay them. His finances are a house of cards.

[Tom4784]

Yeah, it's Biden's to lose now.

I'm not counting out that fat twat until the last vote is counted. It was Hillary's to lose before Russia got involved.

[Ammi]

...yeah, I don’t think it was ever Biden’s to lose and it still isn’t...it’s like that thing/expression of ‘possession is 9/10 of the law’...it’s very hard for someone to ‘take from’ and much easier for someone to ‘hold onto or retain’...I think that can often apply to voting as well and elections as a general..it’s not enough to have a voting mindset of, no Trump, no Trump, no more, no more...many voters also have to actively support a belief in Biden, they have to belief that he’s their man and would make the president that they need right now...I personally..(..and sadly..)...think the most ‘done deal’ is still the Donald for the win...and I’m not sure what ‘wrongs’ he could do that would change that because he’s done so many already that have been overlooked/excused etc by his voting supporters...we’ll see, it’ll be interesting...

...it’s a crazy old world though or will be if ‘money and taxes’ are eventually the crime what did him in and lost his votes... when he’s committed so many ‘crimes against human..’...and that support kept on coming...

[Swan]

I know people will disagree, but i still think if Biden aces the debates, i have absolutely no doubt he'll win.

First one is tonight right? Well Technically tomorrow. Shall be interesting. I have a late ish stream tonight, so i'll be up and watching after that.

[Swan]

I'm not counting out that fat twat until the last vote is counted. It was Hillary's to lose before Russia got involved.

Tbf those leaked Emails didn't help her either.

[bots]

Hillary was not well liked, i said from the outset of that election that she would lose, and i put money on it too, so I don't think it was a surprise at all.

This election is somewhat different. I don't think Biden is well liked, but people have had 4 years to experience Trump now ....and if the majority think that he is still best for the country, well, it's their choice, but America will never be respected again in the wider community

[Nicky91]

Hillary was not well liked, i said from the outset of that election that she would lose, and i put money on it too, so I don't think it was a surprise at all.

This election is somewhat different. I don't think Biden is well liked, but people have had 4 years to experience Trump now ....and if the majority think that he is still best for the country, well, it's their choice, but America will never be respected again in the wider community

4 years experiencing him as president, and a longer time of Trump annoying majority of american people on twitter with his huge amount of insults to opposition, bragging about soleimani's murder, bragging about how greatly he has handled the coronacrisis, bragging about how he made america great again

[Swan]

4 years experiencing him as president, and a longer time of Trump annoying majority of american people on twitter with his huge amount of insults to opposition, bragging about soleimani's murder, bragging about how greatly he has handled the coronacrisis, bragging about how he made america great again

Do you honestly think the average undecided voter is gonna be like 'oh yeah some of trumps tweets annoyed me, im voting for biden bro'........Please!

[Nicky91]

Do you honestly think the average undecided voter is gonna be like 'oh yeah some of trumps tweets annoyed me, im voting for biden bro'........Please!

its not only that from Trump i know


also his lies and deception, and now the news gotten out he tried to deter some people last election, also works against him


and about his taxes, he can say fake news but he never ever reveals anything about his taxes, which makes it quite shady

[bots]

Do you honestly think the average undecided voter is gonna be like 'oh yeah some of trumps tweets annoyed me, im voting for biden bro'........Please!

the majority of the population don't have twitter or fb .... they will have been concerned about losing their jobs/dying ... that matters to them, i can't really see anything else being a factor in this election ... did he do a good job of handling the pandemic will be the only thing that determines the election result

[Swan]

the majority of the population don't have twitter or fb .... they will have been concerned about losing their jobs/dying ... that matters to them, i can't really see anything else being a factor in this election ... did he do a good job of handling the pandemic will be the only thing that determines the election result

Exactly.

People wont be voting based on a tweet he posted, or any of his twitter ramblings. There's real things that need addressing.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/SandraSentinel/status/1310750831839457280

yup paranoia is real among trump supporters :joker:

[Nicky91]

how low the trump supporters can get, bring down the opposition no matter what but when it comes to their ''hero'' his taxes they don't want to know anything of the truth

[arista]

The First Debate of Trump Vs Biden

Is Live Wednesday 1:30 AM on SkyNewsHD and BBCNewsHD


Good News you can record it a 1:30AM Live

Due to start at 2AM
9PM there in USA




Chris Wallace is in charge of those 2.

[arista]

Great reports by the LBC USA reporter
he said Biden has to watch his temper

He lost it last week when a reporter asked for
an inquiry for Hunter Biden's deals abroad.

[Tom4784]

Trump is committing tax fraud left right and centre and his finances are a house of cards that make him a liability in a position of power but Biden lost his temper once so that's comparable...

[Oliver_W]

I know it's in American time but 2am, jeeeez ... I won't be able to catch up til tomorrow afternoon ...

Let's see how many times Trump lies, and if Biden can manage to string many full sentences together...

[Tom4784]

Tbf those leaked Emails didn't help her either.

Emails that were leaked by Russia to aid Trump.

Trump literally mocked a disabled reporter's disability on camera and told a reporter that he can grab women by their pussy with no negative blowback. Nevermind the fact that he called Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers. I will always be confused by how not one of these things could have destroyed him.

[Liam-]

The myth that Biden can’t string a sentence together is so easily debunked if people actually watched his appearances rather than clips circulated by right wing mouth pieces

[Tom4784]

The myth that Biden can’t string a sentence together is so easily debunked if people actually watched his appearances rather than clips circulated by right wing mouth pieces

I think people who think that are not interested in the facts tbh. They want to portray him as a sleepy senile geriatric and they'll do that while championing Trump.

[arista]

The myth that Biden can’t string a sentence together is so easily debunked if people actually watched his appearances rather than clips circulated by right wing mouth pieces


Yes But
Trump can make him lose his Temper

[Tom4784]

I think he'll be alright against broke-ass Trump.

[Oliver_W]

I wouldn't champion either tbh, they're both comical.

[Liam-]

I think people who think that are not interested in the facts tbh. They want to portray him as a sleepy senile geriatric and they'll do that while championing Trump.

He did a town hall recently, where he was at his best, but he misspoke a couple of times and that’s what was spread around online by the Trump sycophants, it’s such a lazy narrative, especially when Trump literally can’t go a single appearance without saying something stupid or wrong.

Yes But
Trump can make him lose his Temper

Trump could make a nun lose her temper.

And tbh, I think showing a bit of anger at the ridiculousness of Trump would perfectly capture the mood of many, many Americans and would probably show him as human and relatable

[Nicky91]

tbh everytime when Trump says ''fake news'' i can't help to think we're getting closer to the truth about him

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjFYDM9WAAAzQr7?format=png&name=small


Doing the Technical Tests.
For 9PM Live USA time

2AM Live for UK
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD

[arista]

Ch4HDnews is in USA now
showing how Trump gets support.
Also BLM group

[arista]

Bill Maher
SkyComedyHD shows his HBO show

He says Trump ain't going to leave
he thinks Trump will go like Scarface.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjGWvqGXgAETSFN?format=jpg&name=900x900

Chris Wallace ready

[GiRTh]

Anyone watching?

[GiRTh]

Is Donnie on coke? He cant shut the **** up.

[Nick.]

Chris Wallace really doesn't seem to have control over this

[GiRTh]

Biden wants to make speeches and coked up Donnie wont let him. Its actually a very good tactic. :bored:

[arista]

Anyone watching?

Yes.

[arista]

Is Donnie on coke? He cant shut the **** up.



No
he hates Biden.

[Tom4784]

Draft and Tax dodger Donald is a damn mess.

[arista]

Chris Wallace
can not shut Trump up.

Biden needs to slow down

[GiRTh]

Trumps killing him. He wont let him speak.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/30/02/33792152-8787715-image-a-33_1601429312416.jpg

[arista]

Trumps killing him. He wont let him speak.



He is now
but Trump comes back on his 2 minutes
with More Democrat attacks

[arista]

Chicago
is a Killing City, now, sadly.

[arista]

Biden will not bring in the National Guard,

[reece(:]

What a **** show.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/30/02/33790834-8787715-image-a-1_1601427689512.jpg
[UFC fighter Colby Covington
takes his seat as a guest of President Donald Trump]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/30/01/33751120-8787715-Security_fences_have_been_installed_around_the_deb ate_site-a-27_1601425238607.jpg


They had to put a Fence
around the Debate

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[reece(:]

Trump's obsession with Joe Biden's son and his cocaine addiction was disturbing and unwarranted.

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Ghastly.

[bots]

i've been catching up on it .... summary .... it was mental :shocked:

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[arista]

Biden keeps saying "Here's The Deal"


Bloody Parrot

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[arista]

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3 Died in this Evil Car attack
Charlottesville

[Brother Leon]

An absolute mess of a debate.

A positive for Biden is he at least didn’t look like a complete fool and that’s essentially all he needs to do from now until Election Day.

[arista]

An absolute mess of a debate.

A positive for Biden is he at least didn’t look like a complete fool and that’s essentially all he needs to do from now until Election Day.



On CNN HD Live
A group of undecided voters
gave Trump as the Winner.

[arista]

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Biden stop laughing

[caprimint]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjIqz7bXYAEUr9T?format=jpg&name=medium

[Denver]

If your whole campaign is go attack the children of your opponent and pledge allegiance to White Supremacists then you know your a bad leader, a assassination in waiting Trump

[arista]

If your whole campaign is go attack the children of your opponent and pledge allegiance to White Supremacists then you know your a bad leader, a assassination in waiting Trump

An assassination in waiting For Biden.

[Denver]

The fact the president made it very clear in the debate that he wants a civil war is alarming

[Brother Leon]

Biden’s constant digs at Bernie and Medicare for All could cost him. And then the Dems will wonder why that whole demographic decided to stay at home.

[arista]

Biden’s constant digs at Bernie and Medicare for All could cost him. And then the Dems will wonder why that whole demographic decided to stay at home.


Yes Biden, not liked by many.

[bots]

the debate was pointless, people have already made up their minds who they are voting for

[Denver]

The fact he is asking white supremacist to go to the polling booths to intimidate the people to vote Trump tells you how scared he is, but its a criminal offence and the booths will know be on high security

[caprimint]

"Joe you've been holding smaller events..."
Trump: "Because nobody shows up"

**** sake :joker:

[arista]

The debate was pointless, people have already made up their minds who they are voting for


You are Very Wrong
a group of undecided voters
were Live on CNN HD



And they preferred Trump
to"Here's The Deal" Parrot Biden.

[reece(:]

The fact he is asking white supremacist to go to the polling booths to intimidate the people to vote Trump tells you how scared he is, but its a criminal offence and the booths will know be on high security

All he has are cherry picked divisive, disrespectful and vile opinions; hopefully the majority see through it. Scare tactics are a major tool in his arsenal, the irony of him ranting about postal votes trying to rig the vote whilst he's trying to intimidate people into not showing up.

[Oliver_W]

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Ghastly.

Not watched it yet so don't know the full context, but of he'd have said something like "stay at home, leave the rioting thugs to the authorities", that's something everyone could get behind tbh

[Oliver_W]

He's not exactly wrong about Antifa, no-one wants constant riots on tjeir doorstep, whatever the people behind them claim to represent. Still not even sure who the Proud Boys are, but if they're violent thugs too, one of the candidates could have won a lot of people over by saying they'd sort them both out.

[arista]

Not watched it yet so don't know the full context, but of he'd have said something like "stay at home, leave the rioting thugs to the authorities", that's something everyone could get behind tbh


Yes I recorded it so I could watch it
fully awake.


Just over 90mins

[arista]

He's not exactly wrong about Antifa, no-one wants constant riots on tjeir doorstep, whatever the people behind them claim to represent. Still not even sure who the Proud Boys are, but if they're violent thugs too, one of the candidates could have won a lot of people over by saying they'd sort them both out.


They are even in the UK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

Started by a British Born fella
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes
Originally started the proud boys, as a prank.



But Left Wing Antifa is Evil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
[Violent Direct Action rather than through policy reform.]

[Oliver_W]

They are even in the UK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

Started by a British Born fella
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes



But Left Wing Antifa is Evil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
[Violent Direct Action rather than through policy reform.]

I know some people soil themselves when one "both sides" a certain issue, but in this case both sides really are awful. Bringing violence to the streets isn't acceptable no matter what they call themselves, and whatever they pretend to stand for goes out the window once they take the opportunity to engage in destruction and violence.

[bots]

none of the pro dem media outlets could find anything positive to say about Biden, that should worry their campaign. As an outsider looking in, i just thought ... why would you vote for either of these people. You can't win an election based on negatives

[Oliver_W]

none of the pro dem media outlets could find anything positive to say about Biden, that should worry their campaign. As an outsider looking in, i just thought ... why would you vote for either of these people. You can't win an election based on negatives

I'd vote Green if I lived in the states, and would have done in the last election here if I didn't personally know and dislike my local candidate :hehe:

[Nicky91]

Biden was sooo correct about Trump on two things

worst president in the history of america

and how Trump only looks at stupid economy while people are dying


Trump going into defensive mode like some vile bully is disgusting to see :yuk:

[arista]

The whole Debate is on, again
CNN HD now

[arista]

[BLEACH IN THE ARM

'And by the way maybe inject some bleach into your arm, that'll take care of it,' Biden said, mocking Trump's statement about injecting disinfectant to treat coronavirus.]



Biden was stupid yesterday
saying that........

[Liam-]

Trump really is an embarrassment

[Cherie]

Apparently they were both equally horrific?

Second time American has had to choose between a rock and a hard place in recent times

[Liam-]

Apparently they were both equally horrific?

Second time American has had to choose between a rock and a hard place in recent times

That is false, Biden was clear, concise and spoke to the people about things that needed to be spoken about, when he was allowed to speak by an overbearing gob****e with his freedom at stake, that kept interrupting and bloviating like a schoolyard bully, there is no comparison between the two

[arista]

That is false, Biden was clear, concise and spoke to the people about things that needed to be spoken about, when he was allowed to speak by an overbearing gob****e with his freedom at stake, there is no comparison between the two


Biden also kept talking bad
like saying Get Bleach injected into Trumps arm.

[Liam-]

Also, only one of them not only refused, 3 times, to condemn white supremacy and racist groups, they actually actually emboldened them and called them to arms against people that disagree with him, there is no possibly way for it to be a ‘both sides bad’ scenario in this

[Nicky91]

Biden also kept talking bad
like saying Get Bleach injected into Trumps arm.

well according to trump's logic at start of covid crisis, bleach is good against that virus

[bots]

Biden didn't have the quick wit to counter Trumps aggressiveness, that was painfully obvious. Trump is abhorrent, but Biden is useless

[arista]

Biden didn't have the quick wit to counter Trumps aggressiveness, that was painfully obvious. Trump is abhorrent, but Biden is useless


Yes Biden
is not best as a proper leader

[bots]

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[caprimint]

Honestly it was an embarrassing episode for Biden. No substance to what he was saying, Trump shut down ALL of his points that he tried to use against him and Biden couldn't keep up with him. He also refused to answer any of Trump's questions.

[bots]

Honestly it was an embarrassing episode for Biden. No substance to what he was saying, Trump shut down ALL of his points that he tried to use against him and Biden couldn't keep up with him. He also refused to answer any of Trump's questions.

that's a somewhat bias summary of events if i may say so :laugh:

Trump was abhorrent throughout

[caprimint]

A few highlights

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[arista]

also Liam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)


Your pathetic Biden
thinks Antifa is not a group
just a idea?

It is
left-wing political movement in the United States
that is Evil

[Liam-]

also Liam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)


Your pathetic Biden
thinks Antifa is not a group
just a idea?

It is
left-wing political movement in the United States
that is Evil

It’s a political movement, not an organisation or a group, are you saying people who are against facism are evil Arista?

[Tom4784]

If your whole campaign is go attack the children of your opponent and pledge allegiance to White Supremacists then you know your a bad leader, a assassination in waiting Trump

Assassination is more of a Right Wing thing, considering the presidents that have been assassinated.

[Tom4784]

Honestly, you can't see the forest for the trees if you see Trump standing up for white supremacists on national TV and acting like a child, refusing to let anyone speak as anything more than an embarrassing loss for Trump.

[joeysteele]

It was really embarrassing to watch.
Both failed to impress.
I knew Trump would fail to, hoped for better from Biden.
If I was American, I'd be ashamed of this spectacle going out to the World media.

[Nicky91]

Honestly, you can't see the forest for the trees if you see Trump standing up for white supremacists on national TV and acting like a child, refusing to let anyone speak as anything more than an embarrassing loss for Trump.

or if you can't defend yourself in another way than bringing your opposition down with his ''you are the worst of the worst of your class, don't ever talk to me about smart again''

[arista]

It’s a political movement, not an organisation or a group, are you saying people who are against fascism are evil Arista?


This Group uses Violence
they are Evil.

They maybe again fascism but infact they are now fascists, themselves


Biden ignores it

[Oliver_W]

It’s a political movement, not an organisation or a group, are you saying people who are against facism are evil Arista?

Most people are against fascism. Most people are also against communism, caliphates, dictatorships, and plutocracies. But most people don't think being against these things gives them the riot to take their temper tantrums out on the rest of the world.

It doesn't matter what they call themselves, constant violence and rioting is never the answer.

[Liam-]

This Group uses Violence
they are Evil.


Biden ignores it

It’s not a group Arista, no matter how many times you try and say it is

[Tom4784]

The Right Wing are desperate for a boogeyman which is why they always try to paint Antifa as a group when it just doesn't work. Crying antifa is a dogwhistle for the gullible of voters and nothing more.

[Nicky91]

Most people are against fascism. Most people are also against communism, caliphates, dictatorships, and plutocracies. But most people don't think being against these things gives them the riot to take their temper tantrums out on the rest of the world.

It doesn't matter what they call themselves, constant violence and rioting is never the answer.

fascists, dictators, communists, right wing and people who support either of those do not listen to normal reason

so violence and rioting is a good last resort option

[arista]

It’s not a group Arista, no matter how many times you try and say it is


There are Evil Antifa Gangs


https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-VD406_PYROOZ_M_20170915122229.jpg

[Liam-]

There are Evil Antifa Gangs

Nope, even gangs have a hierarchy, Antifa is an ideology, not a group or organisation, are you saying people who are against facism are evil?

[Oliver_W]

Nope, even gangs have a hierarchy, Antifa is an ideology, not a group or organisation, are you saying people who are against facism are evil?

Do you think being against fascism excuses their violent acts?

[arista]

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[arista]

Nope, even gangs have a hierarchy, Antifa is an ideology, not a group or organisation, are you saying people who are against fascism are evil?


No they are Now Fascists, themselves

[arista]

Do you think being against fascism excuses their violent acts?


Yes shows how Silly
Liam is on this topic.

[Liam-]

No they are Now Fascists, themselves

Incorrect, stop watching Fox

[bots]

there have been plenty people out there causing trouble, plenty identify with the right and plenty identify with the left. Trying to hide an issue by saying they are not named correctly is being disingenuous

[Liam-]

Biden has condemned lawlessness and criminal behaviour from all sides and all ideologies many, many times, Trump, has not, he refuses to offend his core base of racist thugs, instead he panders to them and riles them up

[Oliver_W]

Incorrect, stop watching Fox
Maybe they're not quite fascists, but one could make the argument they're engaging in domestic terrorism. Especially as the victims of their violence have nothing to do with fascism.

[Nicky91]

Incorrect, stop watching Fox

i never watch Fox for the news, only Fox i tune into are fox netherlands for my series, and foxsports for football


reliable american news are CBS, NBC, and also who got their 8th Emmy recently, CNN

[bots]

republicans have come out after the debate and said trump would never condemn people who vote for him ... and that is the simple truth

[Nicky91]

republicans have come out after the debate and said trump would never condemn people who vote for him ... and that is the simple truth

it keeps puzzling me why republicans need to defend such moron time to time again

they do deserve someone better for sure, someone who takes the job of president of the free world more seriously rather than a power hungry moron who'll do anything to stay in power

[Liam-]

republicans have come out after the debate and said trump would never condemn people who vote for him ... and that is the simple truth

Exactly, Biden is the only one of them with enough integrity to fully condemn violence in all forms, even if it might lose him some votes, that’s what a president is meant to do, not tickle the balls of dangerous, violent, racist extremists

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Tom4784]

No they are Now Fascists, themselves

This is what happens when you mistake propaganda for truth.

[Swan]

Im watching now, what a mess.

The bookies preferred Biden. His odds have shortened slightly, Trump's drifted.

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/politics/20200930-us-presidential-election-2020-odds-joe-biden-shortens-following-presidential-debate

Not a whole deal of policy was discussed by either man. Rather, there was plenty of bickering but neither Trump or Biden landed any knockout blows

Trump will have hoped to see Biden slip up more throughout the 90 minute long debate but no huge errors came from Biden.

Biden has edged further ahead in the bid to become the new President, but Trump is far from out of it yet.

Second quote is interesting "no huge errors came from Biden" Two more debate, if Biden doesn't mess up (lets be fair, that's about a 50/50 chance) he should win. Still a long way to go.

[user104658]

Im watching now, what a mess.

The bookies preferred Biden. His odds have shortened slightly, Trump's drifted.

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/politics/20200930-us-presidential-election-2020-odds-joe-biden-shortens-following-presidential-debate







Second quote is interesting "no huge errors came from Biden" Two more debate, if Biden doesn't mess up (lets be fair, that's about a 50/50 chance) he should win. Still a long way to go.

Trump doesn't know how to stay quiet for long enough to let someone else mess up. I think he knows he's supposed to do that, but he's so strongly compelled to hear his own voice that he just can't. How can Biden make a mistake if every time he starts saying anything, Trump talks over him? :think:

[user104658]

If Trump drifts to 2/1 I'm taking those odds :whistle:

Got the ****er at 5/1 last time but I only put £50 on him.

[caprimint]

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Biased moderator Chris Wallace trying to help Sleepy Joe out only made Trump do his job better. :clap1:

[Swan]

Trump doesn't know how to stay quiet for long enough to let someone else mess up. I think he knows he's supposed to do that, but he's so strongly compelled to hear his own voice that he just can't. How can Biden make a mistake if every time he starts saying anything, Trump talks over him? :think:

True.

If Trump drifts to 2/1 I'm taking those odds :whistle:

Got the ****er at 5/1 last time but I only put £50 on him.

I would snap up 5/1 now lol, but wouldn't risk on 2/1 :laugh:

Someone in the UK placed a £200k bet on Trump. Think that was about 3/4 weeks ago.

https://news.paddypower.com/politics/2020/09/10/us-presidential-election-betting-bettor-places-200000-on-donald-trump-to-be-re-elected/

Wasn't you was it Toy Soldier? :think:

[caprimint]

I was gonna bet on him last week at like 6/5 and now he's on 11/8 already, hopefully keeps drifting

[Swan]

He's been steadily drifting for about a month now.

[user104658]

True.



I would snap up 5/1 now lol, but wouldn't risk on 2/1 :laugh:

Someone in the UK placed a £200k bet on Trump. Think that was about 3/4 weeks ago.

https://news.paddypower.com/politics/2020/09/10/us-presidential-election-betting-bettor-places-200000-on-donald-trump-to-be-re-elected/

Wasn't you was it Toy Soldier? :think:

I could be tempted to spaff £100 at 2/1, just to cheer myself up if he wins. I only bet on novelties (politics and celeb crap) but I wouldn't place any bet at 6/5 let alone £200k :joker:. I put £80 on Gary Bussey in CBB at 5/6 back when I didn't really have it to lose - the bet was a no-brainer but it still wasn't fun, not enough of a profit to be worth the risk. 2/1 is about as low as I'd go.

[user104658]

Obligatory brag that I had £10 on Helen Wood at 33/1. I like to bring that up occasionally :laugh:.

[bots]

Obligatory brag that I had £10 on Helen Wood at 33/1. I like to bring that up occasionally :laugh:.

i bet on trump winning and i bet on helen too :laugh:

[Swan]

I could be tempted to spaff £100 at 2/1, just to cheer myself up if he wins. I only bet on novelties (politics and celeb crap) but I wouldn't place any bet at 6/5 let alone £200k :joker:. I put £80 on Gary Bussey in CBB at 5/6 back when I didn't really have it to lose - the bet was a no-brainer but it still wasn't fun, not enough of a profit to be worth the risk. 2/1 is about as low as I'd go.

Obligatory brag that I had £10 on Helen Wood at 33/1. I like to bring that up occasionally :laugh:.

:cheer2:

Make sure to slide in my DM's with any tips in the future, all i seem to do atm is lose bets (on football, granted) :laugh:

[bots]

:laugh:

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[Liam-]

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[Tom4784]

Putting a muzzle on Trump until it's his time to speak would be a start. Although if he keeps supporting White supremacy in these debates, I'll be glad to give him the rope to hang himself.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/10EDC/production/_114704396_gettyimages-1277464431.jpg
[USA Election 2020: Debate pulled in 65 million TV viewers]

[The TV viewership for Tuesday's clash was lower
than the 2016 debates, but final streaming counts are pending.
The 2016 showdown between Mr Trump and Hillary Clinton broke TV records,
pulling in 84 million viewers.
That one shattered the previous viewership
record of 80.6 million set in the 1980 Reagan-Carter debate.
On Tuesday night, around 64.7 million
people tuned in on eight channels for the
first primetime political duel between
the White House contenders, according to Nielsen.
Mr Trump on Wednesday responded to the
preliminary numbers by saying
"some day these Fake Media Companies are
going to miss me, very badly".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54365868

[Ammi]

...I got to watch some of their debate yesterday../...well most of it, I think...what it showed to me was two people who should never, ever be president...it’s incredible that these are the two contender in the ring...

...obviously, Trump has to go though in the interests of the USA and the world...

[JerseyWins]

Everyone's saying how much of a **** show this was & I heard/saw parts of it and sure seemed like that's the best way to describe it :joker:

When is the next one? I actually kinda wanna watch

[Ammi]

Everyone's saying how much of a **** show this was & I heard/saw parts of it and sure seemed like that's the best way to describe it :joker:

When is the next one? I actually kinda wanna watch

...the most cringeworthy reality TV show ever that you’re totally addicted to...?...

[Ammi]

...it was a bit like one of those playground fights of primary school children.../...how they’re sometimes portrayed anyway...

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Iy87qFTu0gDegw0/giphy.gif

[Ammi]

...I mean, this is to decide a world leader...

[Ammi]

...for goodness sake, Jersey...I’m praying for you...I’m praying for us all...

[bots]

it shows that trump is not the only problem with the american political system, he is just a symptom. It doesn't select the best candidates for the job

[user104658]

it shows that trump is not the only problem with the american political system, he is just a symptom. It doesn't select the best candidates for the job

It feels quite recently MORE broken though... at least within my lifetime. Even ol' Gee Dubya was far more presidential than this pantomime. I'm utterly baffled that Biden ended up as the opposition to Trump. I'm not saying it should have been Sanders either - I like him more but let's face it he's a hair away from the retirement home as well. Where are the respectable, authoritative candidates??

[Niamh.]

How on Earth are those two man babies the best possible candidates in America? What a joke

[bots]

It feels quite recently MORE broken though... at least within my lifetime. Even ol' Gee Dubya was far more presidential than this pantomime. I'm utterly baffled that Biden ended up as the opposition to Trump. I'm not saying it should have been Sanders either - I like him more but let's face it he's a hair away from the retirement home as well. Where are the respectable, authoritative candidates??

Reagan got elected ... a B movie actor fgs :laugh: and he quite clearly had dementia

[Liam-]

I fail to see how people are seeing the two as bad as each other

[bots]

I fail to see how people are seeing the two as bad as each other

i don't think anyone is saying that, but on a scale of crap to average, they both sit in the crap category

[Niamh.]

i don't think anyone is saying that, but on a scale of crap to average, they both sit in the crap category

Pretty much

[bots]

Basically Trump is a turd and Biden is a turd with a bow tie on

[Nicky91]

i don't think anyone is saying that, but on a scale of crap to average, they both sit in the crap category

:umm2: its basically do the american people want another 4 years with the massive failure that is Trump, mr i solely think about economy in coronacrisis

and if he is voted in another term, he'll continue as it goes right now, only thinking about economy

also he and his family did NOT wear a mask at that debate night


at least Biden has the decency of showing the right example to the public by wearing a mask

[Oliver_W]

Whoever told Biden to keep staring right into the camera as he speaks needs to be sacked. It was skin-crawlingly creepy. I could practically feel him sniffing my hair.

[Tom4784]

Whoever told Biden to keep staring right into the camera as he speaks needs to be sacked. It was skin-crawlingly creepy. I could practically feel him sniffing my hair.

I don't think anything Biden did was noticeable, mainly because the draft/tax dodger kept screeching like a tantrumming child over everyone.

[Oliver_W]

I don't think anything Biden did was noticeable, mainly because the draft/tax dodger kept screeching like a tantrumming child over everyone.

To be fair it was a waste of time for both, neither came across "well" enough to win anyone over, or "bad" enough to put someone off who might have voted for them anyway.

Dodging the draft is a redundant thing to moan about, no-one should be forced into the military.

[Tom4784]

To be fair it was a waste of time for both, neither came across "well" enough to win anyone over, or "bad" enough to put someone off who might have voted for them anyway.

Dodging the draft is a redundant thing to moan about, no-one should be forced into the military.

You can't 'both sides' this to make Biden look just as bad as Trump, there was a clear worse side here and that was the side that refused to denounce white supremacy.

The draft is relevant because Trump uses the military as a prop, and it's just another example of him flouting the law. I disagree with drafts but many of the people who he admonishes were, like him, old enough to be drafted and did so.

He dodges taxes, he dodged the draft, he dodges denouncing hatred.

[bots]

Trump is behind in the polls, so logically he wants to win over those who have switched back to the dems ... which is believe it or not, married middle aged women .... his performance the other evening would not win them back :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

You can't 'both sides' this to make Biden look just as bad as Trump, there was a clear worse side here and that was the side that refused to denounce white supremacy.

I'm not "both sides"ing, I'm ... "neither sides"ing :laugh: neither one of them shined or bombed. Biden looked creepy, Trump looked ... like Trump :laugh: it was a mess, neither deserve to be voted in.

[user104658]

To be fair it was a waste of time for both, neither came across "well" enough to win anyone over, or "bad" enough to put someone off who might have voted for them anyway.

Dodging the draft is a redundant thing to moan about, no-one should be forced into the military.

There is actually SOME evidence that Trump has put off a few of his less committed supporters by failing to distance himself from actual white supremacist groups. Publicly, anyway. They may well still put an X in the box - they're just less willing to announce their allegiance, but given how heavily influenced elections are by tribalism these days, that's actually quite important.

[Oliver_W]

There is actually SOME evidence that Trump has put off a few of his less committed supporters by failing to distance himself from actual white supremacist groups. Publicly, anyway. They may well still put an X in the box - they're just less willing to announce their allegiance, but given how heavily influenced elections are by tribalism these days, that's actually quite important.

I've not seen that bit - I was just randomly clicking through on youtube, I guess that bit wasn't one I landed on:laugh:

Dodgy if true, but tabloids are notorious for making a headline out of half a quote.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjPUVBYXkAM1BBo?format=jpg&name=900x900

[caprimint]

Everyone's saying how much of a **** show this was & I heard/saw parts of it and sure seemed like that's the best way to describe it :joker:

When is the next one? I actually kinda wanna watch
15th & 22nd October

[user104658]

I've not seen that bit - I was just randomly clicking through on youtube, I guess that bit wasn't one I landed on:laugh:

Dodgy if true, but tabloids are notorious for making a headline out of half a quote.

It's not so much a quote as a dogged refusal to say that white supremacy is a bad idea. He just umms and ahhs around the topic and refuses to say anything. Whether that's because he actually agrees with it or because he knows that denouncing it would probably impact his poll numbers more strongly than not doing so ( :umm2: ) is up for debate, but the effect is the same. People who are generally pro-Trump but don't want to, or can't (e.g. due to employment) openly be seen to support the supremacist groups have to take down their banners and stop their vocal support even if their voting intention stays the same.

[caprimint]

:umm2: its basically do the american people want another 4 years with the massive failure that is Trump, mr i solely think about economy in coronacrisis

and if he is voted in another term, he'll continue as it goes right now, only thinking about economy

also he and his family did NOT wear a mask at that debate night


at least Biden has the decency of showing the right example to the public by wearing a mask
Trump already spoke about how he only wears masks when he feels it's in an appropriate situation, not for the sake of it to appeal to the public.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjJwZ-PX0AELkfq?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjJwZ-MWkAAtP4c?format=jpg&name=small

[caprimint]

For every vote Trump "lost" he also gained one, so there's really no point in that argument

Trump will still win by a landslide

[Liam-]

Nobody will have watched that debate and decided to vote for Trump off the back of it

[arista]

Nobody will have watched that debate and decided to vote for Trump off the back of it


Not True
CNN HD had a group of undecided voters
and after that Debate more said they will now vote Trump

[bots]

Not True
CNN HD had a group of undecided voters
and after that Debate more said they will now vote Trump

doesn't mean that they will

[Liam-]

Anybody that is going to vote for trump, has already decided to vote for Trump, because he doesn’t appeal to new voters, the only people he appeals to are his already devoted core base of Trumpers, hence why he refuses to condemn organisations like Proud Boys and white supremacy in general

[arista]

Anybody that is going to vote for trump, has already decided to vote for Trump, because he doesn’t appeal to new voters, the only people he appeals to are his already devoted core base of Trumpers, hence why he refuses to condemn organisations like Proud Boys and white supremacy in general


Keep Up
he has now

[Beso]

44mins 40 seconds into the debate..

Biden, after making point one says.

"And number two"

Trump replies instantly,

"You're a number 2"


Trump wins the debate in my opinion.

[Beso]

49.50 seconds and biden stumbles his words again and says stalking instead of talking..he then licks his lips with his slithering tongues.

[Liam-]

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These are the people Trump refuses to condemn, because they’re his core supporters, he thrives on the violence and the hatred

[Tom4784]

I'm not "both sides"ing, I'm ... "neither sides"ing :laugh: neither one of them shined or bombed. Biden looked creepy, Trump looked ... like Trump :laugh: it was a mess, neither deserve to be voted in.

Same thing, different name, it's still false equivalency.... unless you think refusing to denounce white supremacy is as bad as looking into the camera and 'looking creepy'.

[Liam-]

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[Liam-]

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Even more Trump sycophants charged, this time, for election fraud, the sweet sweet irony

[Ammi]

Trump self-isolates after close aide tests positive for coronavirus...


https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-self-isolates-after-close-aide-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-12087429

[arista]

Trump self-isolates after close aide tests positive for coronavirus...


https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-self-isolates-after-close-aide-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-12087429


Yes he awaits the test result

[bots]

Yes he awaits the test result

he talked previously about the 20 minute test that he took regularly, so one could take from that, that they already know the result and are waiting on the slower test for confirmation

[arista]

Live CNN HD

Trump has Covid-19

[Ammi]

... Melania has tested positive as well../...both of them...

[Josy]

BREAKING: Donald Trump and his wife Melania have tested positive for coronavirus.

[arista]

... Melania has tested positive as well../...both of them...


Yes both.

[Oliver_W]

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While this is a serious case of turning lemons into lemonade, it goes to show how stupid the media think the public are, trying to say he's never denounced it.

I normally avoid jokes like this because I'm above the age of seven, but maybe I should have said oranges into orangeade?

[arista]

The Next Live Debate
is the Vice Presidents

Pence Vs Harris

Thursday next week
8/10/20
Live Midnight our time

[Liam-]

Kamala is going to eat him alive

[Swan]

Kamala is going to eat him alive

I doubt it, she's a terrible debater as proven earlier this year.

[arista]

Good of Biden
to take down all Negative ads of Trump.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjUSR_aU8AAyIlN?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Trump's stupidity is infectious too it seems, if this woman also more than likely did not wear a face mask

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjYm_arWsAEKdy0?format=jpg&name=large

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The Vice-Presidential Debate
Is Live
1:30AM Thursday Starting 2AM 90mins, no ads
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
CNN HD


Kamala Harris and Mike Pence will be up on the stage.
The debate will take place at the University of Utah.

[arista]

White House Press Secretary

Kayleigh McEnany.

Now has Covid-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/oct/05/donald-trump-coronavirus-covid-19-walter-reed-joe-biden-live-updates

[Liam-]

The White House virus

[caprimint]

King of coming back STRONGER than before :worship:

[Crimson Dynamo]

King of coming back STRONGER than before :worship:

welcome back MInt :love:

[arista]

Pence and Harris are to be separated by plexiglass

[The Slim Reaper]

Biden leading trump by 16 points in the latest CNN poll. It probably isn't by that much, but the key finding is that Trumps base has remained perfectly intact trough all of it, but the independents/conservative dems that he needed to win over seemed to have now fully made up their minds to support Biden, and there's only a month left, so I don't see a legal path for him to win at this point, although legality is not really top of trumps list of priorities.

[Swan]

Yeah well as much as you dismiss the betting odds, they reflect that trend too. Biden's odds are shortening, Trump's drifting. Looking more and more like it's Biden's to lose now.

[bots]

the swing states are the only things worth watching, and they are closer and the republicans are doing a lot of voter suppression tricks ... so it's not a done deal

[The Slim Reaper]

This is just unnecessary cruelty and absolutely guarantees he can't win (legally).

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US markets react to the news.

Scroll right.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjqtyynXsAE8Bul?format=jpg&name=large

[Liam-]

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Who said the arts were a waste of time?

[Tom4784]

Holding relief bills hostage is just indefensible.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1313826429772201985

actress Zoe Kravitz found a very unusual way to get people into voting for democrats

[The Slim Reaper]

This is really bad for Trump as Rasmussen skews right.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjvMTWCVgAA8pFo?format=png&name=900x900

[arista]

Tonight Live
BBCnewsHD
SkyNewsHD
CNN HD
Times Radio DAB
Radio 5

Pence Vs Harris

From 1:30AM UK time

Starting 2AM

[The Slim Reaper]

Any man that calls his wife, mother, is a weirdo in my book. I don't really think tonight is in anyway important, but I think Harris' prosecutorial background will serve her well when laying out the failings of the trump administration.

[Swan]

Think we'll see a more dignified debate tonight. Trump's performance didn't help him, and Biden didn't really say anything of note (neither did) over the petty arguing and bickering in their first debate. I imagine Harris would have be prepped pretty well and told not to be too argumentative tonight. Pence needs to be cool, calm and collected and let his opposition speak, he needs to show restraint (something Trump knows nothing about).

I don't think it'll make much of a difference either way, but it should be interesting.

[bots]

Pence ought to be held to account for the covid response as he was supposed to be in charge of it. Other than that, it's a waste of time

[arista]

Think we'll see a more dignified debate tonight. Trump's performance didn't help him, and Biden didn't really say anything of note (neither did) over the petty arguing and bickering in their first debate. I imagine Harris would have be prepped pretty well and told not to be too argumentative tonight. Pence needs to be cool, calm and collected and let his opposition speak, he needs to show restraint (something Trump knows nothing about).

I don't think it'll make much of a difference either way, but it should be interesting.


Yes
Healthcare Cut Backs
will be the hot point.