Sir Keir Starmer & his Labour Party

[Kizzy]

That's ridiculous , Sir Keir isn't a Blairite. Policy wise he's pretty similar to Corbyn.

Prior to his electionary as leader that was true... but now?
Where are his socialist values now...I don't see them.

[Oliver_W]

Prior to his electionary as leader that was true... but now?
Where are his socialist values now...I don't see them.

So you think he changed since becoming leader, how so?

[Kizzy]

So you think he changed since becoming leader, how so?

By abandoning his socialist values.. I just kinda said that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Starmer is nowhere near Corbyn policy-wise, he's currently at war with the left wing of his party. Bizarre.

[Oliver_W]

By abandoning his socialist values.. I just kinda said that.

Which ones?

[UserSince2005]

starman is a puppet on a string.

[Kizzy]

Which ones?

The ones he had prior to his role as labour leader . Google is your friend.

[Oliver_W]

The ones he had prior to his role as labour leader . Google is your friend.

You're not being very clear. Why do you think he's abandoned his values? Nothing he's said or done seems to suggest be had. Where are you getting it from?

[The Slim Reaper]

You're not being very clear. Why do you think he's abandoned his values? Nothing he's said or done seems to suggest be had. Where are you getting it from?

Let's put this in reverse, which of his pre-election pledges has he kept?

[Kizzy]

You're not being very clear. Why do you think he's abandoned his values? Nothing he's said or done seems to suggest be had. Where are you getting it from?

It's my opinion based on my observations, should you take a look back at his career then and now the difference is palpable.
If you don't agree fine.

[Oliver_W]

Let's put this in reverse, which of his pre-election pledges has he kept?

I didn't particularly keep up with what he pledged before tbh or the process , I didn't really pay attention until he was leader.

But I'd be interested to see why people think he's gone back on things he said he'd do.

[Kizzy]

I didn't particularly keep up with what he pledged before tbh or the process , I didn't really pay attention until he was leader.

But I'd be interested to see why people think he's gone back on things he said he'd do.

Then you are approaching this from a position of ignorance, you can't compare whether mine or anyones stance is valid until you educate yourself and get one of your own.

[Oliver_W]

Then you are approaching this from a position of ignorance, you can't compare whether mine or anyones stance is valid until you educate yourself and get one of your own.

"educate yourself" :joker: Bless.

I don't even believe you have an opinion apart from "Keith sucks" because you can't specify how he's apparently changed :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

I didn't particularly keep up with what he pledged before tbh or the process , I didn't really pay attention until he was leader.

But I'd be interested to see why people think he's gone back on things he said he'd do.

This is a bit overly simplistic, but will give you a quick overview.

https://evolvepolitics.com/fact-check-yes-keir-starmer-has-broken-or-rowed-back-on-a-large-proportion-of-his-labour-leadership-pledges-already/

Just for the record, Starmer still insists he's a socialist.

Just checked and it's from November, so further reneging has taken part since then.

[user104658]

"educate yourself" :joker: Bless.

I don't even believe you have an opinion apart from "Keith sucks" because you can't specify how he's apparently changed :shrug:

Damn you Keith :fist:

[Kizzy]

"educate yourself" :joker: Bless.

I don't even believe you have an opinion apart from "Keith sucks" because you can't specify how he's apparently changed :shrug:

Who's Keith?...

I don't want to debate with you because you have no counter..you don't know anything about his past values, you just admitted that so it would be entirely pointless.

I have an opinion, you don't.

[GoldHeart]

By abandoning his socialist values.. I just kinda said that.

I'm not a starmer fan tbh , and labour aren't taken seriously anymore . I've always been a labour supporter though.

[Oliver_W]

This is a bit overly simplistic, but will give you a quick overview.

https://evolvepolitics.com/fact-check-yes-keir-starmer-has-broken-or-rowed-back-on-a-large-proportion-of-his-labour-leadership-pledges-already/

Just for the record, Starmer still insists he's a socialist.

Just checked and it's from November, so further reneging has taken part since then.
Thanks for that, interesting read!

I'm not a starmer fan tbh , and labour aren't taken seriously anymore . I've always been a labour supporter though.
Labour's on the up now, opinion polls pretty much always have both the party and Sir Keir ahead of the Tories and BoJo.

[GoldHeart]

Thanks for that, interesting read!


Labour's on the up now, opinion polls pretty much always have both the party and Sir Keir ahead of the Tories and BoJo.

I won't hold my breath on labour winning the next election, we're always stuck in a Tory leadership. The faces may change but same old government :notimpressed: .

[Oliver_W]

I won't hold my breath on labour winning the next election, we're always stuck in a Tory leadership. The faces may change but same old government :notimpressed: .

I guess it depends on how long the Corona stuff goes on for. People have short memories when it comes to politics, but if the tories continue to **** it up making it stretch to <2 years from the election, it could cost them! Like without Corona, or rather his terrible handling of it, Trump would have probably walked into a second term. but his incompetence was really spotlighted by it, and now he's going.

The Tories have about four(?) years left to pretend to be decent before the next election, but that's also four years of being them.

BoJo won't be leading the party for the next election, I'm nearly certain. I'd be surprised if he's still PM next year tbh. Someone like Rishi Sunak heading the party in a post-Covid three years would make Labour's battle tougher.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yougov poll out today has tories up by 3 points on the back of record cronyism, disastrous handling of the pandemic, brexit shambles, and not feeding kids. With the vaccine on the way, tories will be comfortable way before the next election, and keir will still be trying to out tory the tories.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Starmer is spot on in that report and saying bereaved families are waiting for the true answers, not this government's PM and his Ministers deceit and spin.

There are hoards of them waiting for this inquiry,no wonder he wants it delayed as much as possible, Johnson's also repeatedly refused, yes refused, to meet with bereaved families.

He knows what could be coming from an inquiry, he certainly does.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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Of course when you are much younger
you say stupid things.

[Cherie]

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Of course when you are much younger
you say stupid things.

such a non story, must be a slow news week!

[Oliver_W]

Oh who cares? I'm sure you could trawl back through the decades and find almost every politician saying something which is completely opposite to what they say and think now. While I don't agree with abolishing the monarchy, it's generically student-socialism, and more "harmless" than, say ... Writing a book on how to privatise the NHS.

[Samm]

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Of course when you are much younger
you say stupid things.

he's right

[arista]

he's right


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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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The problem, Arista, is that he's not really liked by anyone apart from neoliberals. He's going to get his arse handed to him by the tories in the upcoming elections, and he hopefully might then realise he's fighting for the wrong people.

[arista]

The problem, Arista, is that he's not really liked by anyone apart from neoliberals. He's going to get his arse handed to him by the tories in the upcoming elections, and he hopefully might then realise he's fighting for the wrong people.


Yes BBC Laura
saying they have a problem.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes BBC Laura
saying they have a problem.

Trying to out-tory the tories will always be a problem. You can't really do anything if the British public enjoys cruelty and incompetence over compassion and collectivism, but they should at least be given a choice.

[arista]

https://order-order.com/2021/02/03/starmer-privately-concedes-he-may-have-called-for-ema-membership/


Yes Starmer admits he was wrong at PMQ's
claiming he never said it was wrong to leave the EU medicine group.

[bots]

the man got a knighthood, he knew the public respected the fund raising he did, he had a fabulous 100th birthday ... all shown to him while he was alive

[The Slim Reaper]

the man got a knighthood, he knew the public respected the fund raising he did, he had a fabulous 100th birthday ... all shown to him while he was alive

Sir Keir is 100? :smug:

[bots]

Sir Keir is 100? :smug:

the forum has done this to me a couple of times recently, where i am viewing one thread and end up posting on another ... it's witchcraft :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

the forum has done this to me a couple of times recently, where i am viewing one thread and end up posting on another ... it's witchcraft :laugh:

Oh yes, it's the forums fault. Of course :smug:

[bots]

Oh yes, it's the forums fault. Of course :smug:

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Cherie]

the man got a knighthood, he knew the public respected the fund raising he did, he had a fabulous 100th birthday ... all shown to him while he was alive

Well done Keir looking good on 100

[Oliver_W]

Well done Keir looking good on 100

And also for leading the Labour Party whilst being dead, apparently !

[Oliver_W]

1356707486179426308

How stupid, what's wrong with patriotism?

[Livia]

He's campaigned to abolish the monarchy.... and accepted a knighthood.

What a douche.

[Oliver_W]

He's campaigned to abolish the monarchy.... and accepted a knighthood.

What a douche.

Like I said upthread, wanting to abolish the monarchy is a very generic "student socialist" thing to do, I wouldn't hold it against him when it comes to his actual political life...

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Like I said upthread, wanting to abolish the monarchy is a very generic "student socialist" thing to do, I wouldn't hold it against him when it comes to his actual political life...

Until the Labour party and any leader of it, comes to be a paler blue version of this atrocious PM and government we have now.
Every fault, every thing said in the past, even anything about a leader's family, as in the shocking raising of the Miliband's Father.
All that will be highlighted, any time it looks like Labour is nestling into a possible route to greater success.

Starmer isn't my choice for leader, however he has more genuine compassion in my view, in his little finger than this PM and all.his Ministers have totally.

I'm waiting to see policies from Starmer, to me they are what matters and my hope is still, his in no way reflect the heartlessness, unjustified near discrimination to the sick, disabled and most vulnerable policies of this load of showers from 2010.

It's not cool to care about such individuals which is why when the left, of which I'm proud to now identify myself on, get called extremists for wanting deservedly much better for those groupings.

A blind eye will be turned to all wrongs of this odious creep we have as a Prime Minister..
Plus the, to me, heartless attitude to even those sick and disabled.

If I'm extreme for wanting a better treatment and support to those groupings then I'm extreme and happy to be.
Since it's this lot who carry out such heartlessness and discriminatory, often humiliating policies to those individuals.

It's clear the harder line Con supporters, don't give a jot for them, as they'll go on supporting their hard-line leaders and government with their votes.

It's starting again, as it has before, the slow digging up and highlighting of anything negative to any Labour leader really.
To do anything to protect this creep in power now.

Sadly we've no way of changing anything.
This lot know, all they have to do is hold onto around 38 to 43% of support and they'll near always be at least the largest party.
Then with the crawling, sickening DUP to back them can make power for anyone else near unmanageable.

Which is why, I believe it's time for a proper PR electoral system.
Rather than absolute power being handed to ANY party, from only around 4 in 10 who actually vote, or even less.

My hope is Labour reflecting on that will become the main party to want to offer that.
Every other party would support it.
EXCEPT the Cons.

That's the way Labour could gather stronger support and from the newer intake of voters too..
Who see the current voting system as a waste of time and which would never reflect the views of the majority of even those voting.

[arista]

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[arista]

[It's starting again, as it has before,
the slow digging up and highlighting
of anything negative to any Labour leader really.
To do anything to protect this creep in power now.]


Yes Joey it has
but this thread must have it all
his Party Political Broadcast last week
was good, except for the Music backing
which made it into to a future movie clip.

[bots]

im waiting on a PM that will tell the truth, you wouldn't think that was a big ask. Sadly, i'm not convinced Keir is anymore truthful than the current incumbent

[joeysteele]

[It's starting again, as it has before,
the slow digging up and highlighting
of anything negative to any Labour leader really.
To do anything to protect this creep in power now.]


Yes Joey it has
but this thread must have it all
his Party Political Broadcast last week
was good, except for the Music backing
which made it into to a future movie clip.

I don't think great harm is being done to him by the tittle tattle nonsense going on.

I think he has far more integrity than Johnson in his fingers than Johnson has all through.

Hard-line Con supporters won't agree and will at best say Starmer is no better than Johnson, however in my view he is.

Even at this stage with under 4 years to go to an election.
Anything can happen, however I'd doubt Labour can win an election under Starmer.
I think a hung parliament will likely result again.
I doubt that even Johnson will be leading the Cons then too.

A hung parliament worries me however, as I feel the UK no matter the broken divided situation the UK could be heading to.
What is needed is a colossal social change as to policies are required to rebuild justly and more compassionately after this pandemic is much more controlled.

For me that won't come from the Cons, no way.
I also can't see Labour under Starmer getting anything like the mandate for those changes either.

Which is why, I will work for and hope the Labour party under Starmer will embrace PR for elections in future if elected.
That I think is the only policy that will ignite interest of the majority of voters.

Although that will start major panic in the Con party and among their hard-line supporters..
Because it should mean NO party, none of them, will be likely to ever be able to govern again alone, only with consensus.
Which the Cons will absolutely hate.

Thereby removing whatever extremes there may be as to any.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[smudgie]

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That would be the death knell for Labour I reckon.

[The Slim Reaper]

Except it's not true. Starmer is openly expelling the left of his party, and no one is calling for JMcD.

[arista]

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[UserSince2005]

lol this shadow government make Jezza look like he knows what he was doing.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

lol this shadow government make Jezza look like he knows what he was doing.

All the things Corbyn was accused of doing - the Stalinist purges etc, are being done under KS, but no one says anything because he isnt a threat to the establishment - he is the establishment.

Starmer has suspended Jews for antisemitism. Honestly, and not a word in the media about it.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

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Well it doesn't in any way surprise me that Starmer is on 33%.
The most surprising and really puzzling thing for me is that 33% think Johnson a good PM.

That it's even possible a third of those polled think Johnson a best PM is to me really concerning after his display of near total incompetence.

The excuse for Starmer can be no one can know until he was or if he became PM really.
However they've already seen this inept PM in the job now.
So no excuses there.


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[arista]

[Woke radicals in the Oxford University Labour Club
have condemned
former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell for participating
in a panel event with “known transphobe”.
Selina Todd, a professor at one of the
colleges with supposedly
“a transphobic history”.
Even the glorious leaders of the Corbyn
revolution aren’t safe from the woke
march for perfection.]

[A statement released by the club say
they are “disappointed to
hear about John McDonnell’s acceptance” to appear at
the event “and have contacted
him directly to urge him to reconsider”]

https://order-order.com/2021/02/12/oxford-university-labour-cancel-john-mcdonnell-for-transphobia/

[Cherie]

[Woke radicals in the Oxford University Labour Club
have condemned
former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell for participating
in a panel event with “known transphobe”.
Selina Todd, a professor at one of the
colleges with supposedly
“a transphobic history”.*
Even the glorious leaders of the Corbyn
revolution aren’t safe from the woke
march for perfection.]

[A statement released by the club say
they are “disappointed to
hear about John McDonnell’s acceptance” to appear at
the event “and have contacted
him directly to urge him to reconsider”]

https://order-order.com/2021/02/12/oxford-university-labour-cancel-john-mcdonnell-for-transphobia/

*for known transphobe..read woman who has legitimate queries and concerns in all likelihood

[arista]

Keir has yet another Speech
today - NewsnightHD bbc2
began with him.


Last time it was his Mother.

Social Democracy,
and the Failed Conservatives.

It is still the Corbyn split?


Will have a Flag behind him?

[arista]

Keir is Live


Radio 5
LBC
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD

[arista]

He is saying the Mistakes
the Conservatives are making
are what they always made.

He said a Roadmap to Yesterday?


If Keir was Prime Minister
he would bring in a Recovery Bond


Its Like an Election Speech

[arista]

He is taking Media questions now

[arista]

[11:25

Starmer suggests recovery bond to
help rebuild the economy
In what sounds like the first major policy
announcement of his speech so far,
Sir Keir floats the idea
of a "British recovery bond".
He says it would "raise billions".
Trying to paint Labour as a fiscally-responsible party,
he says he understands the value of people's
hard-earned money they pay in taxes.

"For too long Labour has failed to realise
that the only way to deliver social justice
and equality is through a strong partnership
with businesses," he admits.
"Under my leadership, that mindset will change."

Preparing to wind up his speech,
Sir Keir says: "The last decade of failed Conservative ideology
and the last year of our collective suffering
demand that we now create a new, more secure future."]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-covid-news-live-updates-boris-johnson-awaits-latest-covid-data-as-he-plans-lockdown-easing-12220472

[The Slim Reaper]

No one is interested in what this tory has to say.

[arista]

No one is interested in what this tory has to say.


He is Not Conservative.


He has concluded

[joeysteele]

He is Not Conservative.


He has concluded

There's some good thinking in there.

A long way to go and detail will be important obviously nearer an election but I like what I've heard.

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-we-cant-return-to-business-as-usual-says-sir-keir-starmer-as-he-sets-out-post-coronavirus-vision-12221685

33seconds edit.

[smudgie]

British recovery bond sounds good.
Tories have been talking of this for the last couple of weeks.
The problems I see are that it will make the more well off more well off, not much help in it for the none savers.
Plus it costs more to have the bonds than it does to borrow.:shrug:

[arista]

British recovery bond sounds good.
Tories have been talking of this for the last couple of weeks.
The problems I see are that it will make the more well off more well off, not much help in it for the none savers.
Plus it costs more to have the bonds than it does to borrow.:shrug:



Yes he is talking Conservative plans
and putting more Cash into them.


Ref:Live Debate Times Radio DAB.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

He is Not Conservative.


He has concluded

Yes he is talking Conservative plans
and putting more Cash into them.


Ref:Live Debate Times Radio DAB.

https://i.imgur.com/GgqTg8C.gif

[arista]

The full Speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JNpefL5fYk

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

I think Starmer and Labour need to state they will bring in PR for voting.

Labour can be over 10% in votes in this daft outdated election system and still fall short of an overall majority in the next election.

In 2019, the Cons were just over 10% ahead of Labour on 43% of the votes cast, yet got an 80 overall majority.

Labour can get a 5 year term to be as formative of society in the next election, as was done in 1945 to 1951.

Then get PR in place.

One thing would then be certain, no extremes could ever likely govern alone again.

We'd never get absolute power given to a party, such as in 2005 with under 36% of votes cast giving Labour a 58 overall majority at that election.
Nor could we get inflicted on us, a Con government with an 80 overall majority to just ride over and dismiss the votes of the 56% who actually voted against it.

Cut the losses, Labour has more in common with most other Parties, the Cons really only attract extremes like UKIP or the 'un' Democrat Unionists of N. Ireland.
Although Johnson has singlehandedly just about upset them too.

The ONLY party, that would be staunchly against PR are the Cons and their harder line 30%- 33% supporters.
Even UKIP would have backed PR I think.

Starmer should consider it and really change politics for good.
After his 5 year term as Premier of a Labour government.

I actually think if he included the intention to adopt PR.
A bandwagon would roll, which would ensure it was supported and voted for.

Proper PR which would need to be agreed by Parties and passed in parliament.
Not the daft proposal which wasn't really PR we voted on from the coalition.

We hear in politics, there's prices worth paying for things.
Well yes,under PR my Party Labour would not ever likely be able to govern alone unfettered.

The price worth paying for me however would be the Cons would be spitting feathers and blowing their fuses as they'd likely never get absolute power again too.

[Oliver_W]

Bringing in PR wouldn't only change the voting system, but the entire parlimentary system, for want of better words. We vote for our local MP, so depending on how seats would be allocated under PR wouldn't some constituencies have an MP they didn't vote for?

[arista]

"need to state they will bring in PR for voting."



But they will not

[joeysteele]

Bringing in PR wouldn't only change the voting system, but the entire parlimentary system, for want of better words. We vote for our local MP, so depending on how seats would be allocated under PR wouldn't some constituencies have an MP they didn't vote for?

Doesn't need to be that way.

You'd always have access to MPs, however you'd know your vote mattered and that no single party could ever again take power absolutely on less than 50% of the votes cast.

Decades ago the 2 main parties got over 90% of all votes cast.
That's fallen in elections over time.
Even in 2019 around 25% of the votes cast near a quarter, were cast for parties all against the present government.
Yet they got a government with an 80 overall majority.

Quite frankly a lot of people haven't a clue who is, and even a number of those who vote either, who is their actual MP for the constituency.

Then you get seats won by a few hundred votes, where say possibly around 12000 voted Con, 11500 voted Labour, 7000 voting Lib Dem.a couple of thousand voting for smaller parties.
Yet the one a few hundred votes ahead gets the seat for 5 years.
When on that scenario possibly double number of voters voted against that MP in the constituency...

That's bonkers, no wonder people feel their votes don't matter and why between one fifth to a quarter of voters who could vote, just don't bother to.

It's time to join the 21st century and make real votes get the real results they should.
We use PR in the devolved assemblies.
It's time we elected governments the same way.

I really have come round to supporting PR.
It's why I voted LibDem in 2010, hoping for a coalition to get it..
Then the Lib Dems threw it out themselves for a daft crumbs throwing proposal via referendum from the Cons.

[joeysteele]

"need to state they will bring in PR for voting."



But they will not

There's a growing mood among Labour voters and members arista.

As a Con, you will fear PR most with respect and would never want it.
Because unless your party develops a real heart and true compassion, it would likely never be in government again under PR.

Let's see how things look in a couple of years.
If PR could tip a balance of attracting votes and power, there's even Labour MPs who think it really is time to seriously consider it now.

[arista]

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[arista]

[Keir Starmer backs move and distances
Labour from teaching unions fighting for a phased return]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/21/09/39571600-0-image-a-1_1613900061928.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9283419/Boost-plan-return-children-school-March-8-Keir-Starmer-backs-move.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_tvshowbiz

[Sir Keir today said he wanted all pupils in
England back in school on March 8.
He told Sky News Sophy Ridge on Sunday that
more coronavirus testing
and 'Nightingale classrooms'
could address some of the issues.

Sir Keir said: 'Ideally, I would like to see all schools back open
on March 8 and all children back into schools on March 8.]

[joeysteele]

Ideally I'd guess the vast majority of people would want schools back on March 8th.

However I remain unconvinced that's wise and think Starmer ill advised to support it.

I just can't see the point, when most restrictions may be left in place, where it's in any way wise to have schools return for only 3 weeks to be off again for Easter.
Just start them the week after Easter.

Not take any unnecessary risks AGAIN!!!

[The Slim Reaper]

Starmer on the BBC defending Hancocks law breaking. But he's not a tory :laugh:

[arista]

Starmer on the BBC defending Hancocks law breaking. But he's not a tory :laugh:


Is he?

[The Slim Reaper]

Is he?


He was earlier. Won't be calling for his resignation. He broke the law, but that's cool with Keir.

[arista]

On his very long recorded interview on Ridge
SkyNewsHD
he said he did not want him to Resign
but he must answer for the Buying contracts,

[The Slim Reaper]

He should be sacked, and then he should be in court. Starmer still blocking his MPs discussing the disastrous brexit. It's hard to imagine a better labour leader for the tories.

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[joeysteele]

He should be sacked, and then he should be in court. Starmer still blocking his MPs discussing the disastrous brexit. It's hard to imagine a better labour leader for the tories.

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I was warming to Hancock at only the present though, on the pandemic.

However I agree with you.
This is resignation territory and I too am dismayed at Starmer's reluctance to keep this more to the forefront of debate..

The media too, to protect Hancock and possibly the PM too, are keeping this quiet.
It would be another unforgivable scandal under Labour in the media.

Con supporters just brush it under the carpet too.

However yes, I think it is a resignation issue or sacking one.
Starmer is not showing strength on this at all.
For decency alone he should be calling for more action on this.

Not let Hancock get away with saying what he did today..
The court said he was wrong.
He should go.

[arista]

Ridge,
right after Starmer
she went Live to Former Shadow Chancellor
John McDonnell MP
he said all the Teaching Unions do now want every school open,
until it is safe.

[arista]

"The court said he was wrong."


Yes he was wrong to delay publishing the details
but he says it's due to the pressure of the pandemic.

[The Slim Reaper]

"The court said he was wrong."


Yes he was wrong to delay publishing the details
but he says it's due to the pressure of the pandemic.

Doesn't matter what he says. I'm sure everyone who breaks the law has an excuse.

[joeysteele]

"The court said he was wrong."


Yes he was wrong to delay publishing the details
but he says it's due to the pressure of the pandemic.

He acted unlawfully in his trusted Ministerial position.
Found so by the court and in law.

That's the only relevant fact of this.

[The Slim Reaper]

Absolutely zero concerns from him, despite others saying they were worried about it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuvJxcaWgAEEVnh?format=jpg&name=large

[The Slim Reaper]

"The court said he was wrong."


Yes he was wrong to delay publishing the details
but he says it's due to the pressure of the pandemic.

This you? :smug:

1212316725221482496


What a Horrible Git.

[bots]

i can understand that in emergency conditions like we had at the start of the pandemic, that we need to cut through red tape to get things done quicker. However, that doesn't mean that all due process is merrily thrown out the window and contracts be awarded to mates, which clearly went on and is totally corrupt and wrong

[arista]

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[arista]

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No Hugo - That's Bloody rude
you are as bad as our Slim.

[joeysteele]

I have to express my own disappointment.
I can't understand Starmer and his very low key murmurings on this serious issue.

Had this been Ashworth as Health secretary in a Labour government.
The media and the Cons with their cult hard-line supporters, would be screaming from the rooftops for Ashworth to go, and likely the government too.
Probably rightly so too.

I'm really dismayed at Starmer on this.

[bots]

he may have a strategy. It will be a much more potent win for labour if they can get his resignation over an inquiry outcome, because there will be an inquiry. If he has already gone the tories would just say ... yeah, he is long gone, move on

[joeysteele]

he may have a strategy. It will be a much more potent win for labour if they can get his resignation over an inquiry outcome, because there will be an inquiry. If he has already gone the tories would just say ... yeah, he is long gone, move on


Yeah, I can go with that.
Very good point there, thank you.

[arista]

1365378403768107008

[arista]

[Scottish Labour: Anas Sarwar becomes
new leader - 10 weeks before Holyrood elections
Mr Sarwar makes history as he becomes the
first ethnic minority leader of a UK political party.]

https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-labour-anas-sarwar-becomes-new-leader-10-weeks-before-holyrood-elections-12230362

[joeysteele]

[Scottish Labour: Anas Sarwar becomes
new leader - 10 weeks before Holyrood elections
Mr Sarwar makes history as he becomes the
first ethnic minority leader of a UK political party.]

https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-labour-anas-sarwar-becomes-new-leader-10-weeks-before-holyrood-elections-12230362

There's surely no way whatsoever that he could be as poor a leader as Richard Leonard was.
However, the bulk of former Labour votes are as yet still in the SNP fold.

So he has a mountain to climb.

[arista]

1363799942150635520



How Very Woke Of You.

[arista]

1367798819862220803

[Alf]

Frank Field said that Rishi's budget was the best he'd ever seen in his life.

Frank is proper Labour, before they became the party of the woke and far-left.

[joeysteele]

Most of the budget was expected and okay.
However, this NHS pay, well it is really not rise, more a cut, is unforgivable and deplorable.

[Zizu]

Most of the budget was expected and okay.
However, this NHS pay, well it it is really not rise, more a cut, is unforgivable and deplorable.



It is odd isn’t it ?!!

With all this money being thrown around I honestly expected the NHS workers ( hospital workers ) to get a huge rise or at least a substantial one-off cash bonus


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[arista]

He is Live
both news channels


Big Attack on the Conservative Party.

Big Attack on Scotland - Drug Deaths


Should be Press after he ends.


BBCnewsHD dumped his questions

[arista]

First Question from BBC

SkyNews asks are women safe?


Its on SkyNewsHD ONLY

[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

It is odd isn’t it ?!!

With all this money being thrown around I honestly expected the NHS workers ( hospital workers ) to get a huge rise or at least a substantial one-off cash bonus


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This baffles me, zizu. You're old enough to have seen different generations of tories in power, and yet you pretend to be surprised when they give their mates billions and the nurses nothing. Why?

[arista]

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[Zizu]

This baffles me, zizu. You're old enough to have seen different generations of tories in power, and yet you pretend to be surprised when they give their mates billions and the nurses nothing. Why?



It’s really not your place to doubt my sincerity...

Why would I ‘pretend’ to be surprised or disappointed fgs

As regards your dig at the Tories .. I don’t find them any different to any of the Labour governments over the decades .

They’ve all been inept and corrupt for as long as I can remember


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[The Slim Reaper]

It’s really not your place to doubt my sincerity...

Why would I ‘pretend’ to be surprised or disappointed fgs

As regards your dig at the Tories .. I don’t find them any different to any of the Labour governments over the decades .

They’ve all been inept and corrupt for as long as I can remember


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I wasn't doubting your sincerity, I was questioning why, despite the decades of evidence you have before you, you still thought Tories would do right by the NHS and nurses.

I wasn't saying anything about your sincerity or integrity.

Even the last decade alone, tories have been killing folks with austerity, so to even compare with the only labour gov we've had is just factually incorrect, when we now have more food banks in this country than branches of McDonalds.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

I wasn't doubting your sincerity, I was questioning why, despite the decades of evidence you have before you, you still thought Tories would do right by the NHS and nurses.



I wasn't saying anything about your sincerity or integrity.



Even the last decade alone, tories have been killing folks with austerity, so to even compare with the only labour gov we've had is just factually incorrect, when we now have more food banks in this country than branches of McDonalds.

You actually stated that I was PRETENDING to be surprised !!


As I’ve said before ... many times - I have no affiliation to any political party .

We’ve seen and suffered absolutely dreadfully under Labour over the decades so please stop trying to convince everyone that things under Labour would be a life of roses .



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[arista]

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Better days no Covid 2019 General Election,
Poor Jess pissed off, tired
and shocked with Labour Losses.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vicky.]

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Erm, those look like two seperate groups to me? Quite obviously so too.

[arista]

Erm, those look like two seperate groups to me? Quite obviously so too.



No
he made sure they all stayed 2mts apart
but failed on the Numbers

[Vicky.]

No
he made sure they all stayed 2mts apart
but failed on the Numbers

Well given half the 'group' a have their backs to the others..

Also would think canvassing would count as 'work'?

Not even sure why am replying here as don't give a crap about Starmer/Labour these days really. But no thrads are active bar this one :laugh:

[bots]

i wish the press would quit with these stupid, pointless pictures.

[arista]

Well given half the 'group' a have their backs to the others..

Also would think canvassing would count as 'work'?

Not even sure why am replying here as don't give a crap about Starmer/Labour these days really. But no threads are active bar this one :laugh:


Yes this thread has the Observer Front page today
which says Starmer
is going out to meet folks like you and your mates.


He wants to hear your side.


But on a great Political Debate
Early on Times radio DAB & Free online
many are saying they do not know what
Starmer stands for?

Lance Price gave Starmer a 9 out of 10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Price

But an Economist gave Starmer him 4 out of 10.

[arista]

Voters calling LBC Live with NAZ
debating Labour
are hating the Blair part of them.

Amazing the amount of callers already
not backing Starmer

[arista]

Another Live Debate
on LBC on Starmer.


The Key is the Local Elections next month
in my view he must take back some seats
if he does not, then its a problem.

[joeysteele]

Another Live Debate
on LBC on Starmer.


The Key is the Local Elections next month
in my view he must take back some seats
if he does not, then its a problem.


You're right.
Turnout is going to be important plus more I understand have opted for postal votes.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Cons do really well actually.

They will be very interesting, it will also surprise me if we hold the Hartlepool seat too.

[bots]

Sir Keir Starmer has apologised after visiting a church which has been criticised for its stance towards homosexuality.

The Labour leader visited Jesus House in London on Good Friday and later shared a video from his visit online.

But after a backlash including from his party's LGBT+ members, Sir Keir called it a mistake and deleted the clip.

He said he "completely" disagreed with the church's views on LGBT+ rights and was not aware of them beforehand.

"I apologise for the hurt my visit caused and have taken down the video," he said. "It was a mistake and I accept that."

Jesus House for All The Nations church is in Brent, north London, and is part of the Redeemed Christian Church of God denomination. It has recently opened up part of its premises as a vaccination centre.

The church's senior pastor, Agu Irukwu, has previously been criticised after speaking out against same-sex marriage and equality laws.

Following Sir Keir's visit, the LGBT+ Labour group called it "unacceptable" and said they had contacted Sir Keir to ask for an apology. It said the church was known for its "broadly anti-LGBT+ views".

However the group said it believed the explanation that it was a "genuine mistake" where "research had mistakenly not been carried out in advance of the visit".

After Sir Keir apologised, the group tweeted their thanks and added: "We are pleased that you have recognised and apologised for this mistake. We look forward to working with you to end conversion therapy and achieve equality for LGBT+ people."

Sir Keir is not the only public figure to have visited the church. Boris Johnson and the Prince of Wales have both been to the pop-up vaccination centre there in recent weeks without attracting widespread comment - although Mr Johnson did face criticism when he visited as mayor in 2009

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56644740

You would have thought after the associations Corbyn was linked with he would have learned

[arista]

[Sir Keir Starmer has apologised after visiting
a church which has been criticised for its
stance towards homosexuality.]


Yes at his last briefing
ITN pushed him to say
he would Ban It
if in power.
So he must stand firm on this.

[arista]

Labour Party Political Broadcast

Is Kier talking about his NHS
the whole broadcast.
Annoying backing Piano.

(Not in London)

6:54PM BBC1 (not every region)

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

I thought Corbyn was the one who did Stalinist purges?

[Tom4784]

Starmer's a useless wankstain, the sooner he ****s off, the better.

[arista]

Starmer's a useless wankstain, the sooner he ****s off, the better.


He's staying for the Next Election
in around 4 years


He wants to talk with Lads like you.

[The Slim Reaper]

He's staying for the Next Election
in around 4 years


He wants to talk with Lads like you.

His policies speak for themselves. He ditched his pre-election pledges and has rubber stamped every tory disaster or abstained.

He doesn't stand for anything other than being tory-lite.

[Tom4784]

He's staying for the Next Election
in around 4 years


He wants to talk with Lads like you.

His actions speak louder than words, until someone promising replaces him, I'm voting Green.

[arista]

His policies speak for themselves. He ditched his pre-election pledges and has rubber stamped every tory disaster or abstained.

He doesn't stand for anything other than being tory-lite.


He just did a TV Party Political Broadcast
he want's to help the NHS.


Under this Pandemic
he can not do alot.


So give him a chance
Slim.

[arista]

His actions speak louder than words, until someone promising replaces him, I'm voting Green.


That could be Dangerous
some seats were lost last time & elections before
because of UKIP type votes
stopping Labour
letting in Conservative power


I do respect you for at least voting, though

[Tom4784]

Nothing is stopping the tories anyway. We're a nation of bootlicking doormats that love to be treated badly by them and nothing's gonna change that.

[arista]

Nothing is stopping the tories anyway. We're a nation of bootlicking doormats that love to be treated badly by them and nothing's gonna change that.


I would have though the way
Johnson failed on Covid-19
that in a General Election
Labour can win.

[Tom4784]

Nah, Boris can do no wrong in the eyes of Tory voters. I know so many people that are sympathetic to him and act like he's doing his best and that's okay when it's not. We've basically become a one party system at this point, and things will only ever change when the public grow tired of being treated like ****, but they won't. They're prefer the boot on their necks as long as it belongs to Boris.

[The Slim Reaper]

He just did a TV Party Political Broadcast
he want's to help the NHS.


Under this Pandemic
he can not do alot.


So give him a chance
Slim.

Johnson has just brought US health insurance execs onto his team as advisors, so if Starmer gave a sh1t about the NHS he should be out in the media. We've been warning about troubles in Ireland for years now, because of brexit, so why isn't Starmer holding Johnson to account for putting a border in, when Johnson said that was something he would never do?

He will get a chance if he starts acting like the leader of an opposition supposedly on the left. I don't want to hear about putting more police on the streets, I want to hear how he will reduce income inequality, the need for foodbanks etc.

He wont out tory the tories, so it's pointless.

If, however, he does make proportional rep a big issue, then that would be at least be a start.

[The Slim Reaper]

Nah, Boris can do no wrong in the eyes of Tory voters. I know so many people that are sympathetic to him and act like he's doing his best and that's okay when it's not. We've basically become a one party system at this point, and things will only ever change when the public grow tired of being treated like ****, but they won't. They're prefer the boot on their necks as long as it belongs to Boris.

I think it's important to just add that Brits will happily accept a boot on the neck, as long as they believe their neighbour is getting 2 boots on the neck. for such a bunch of WW2 fawning, flag shagging, gallahads, we're actually a bunch of subservient conformists.

[Tom4784]

I think it's important to just add that Brits will happily accept a boot on the neck, as long as they believe their neighbour is getting 2 boots on the neck. for such a bunch of WW2 fawning, flag shagging, gallahads, we're actually a bunch of subservient conformists.

Pretty much. We're such a weak and pathetic country.

[arista]

Johnson has just brought US health insurance execs onto his team as advisors, so if Starmer gave a sh1t about the NHS he should be out in the media. We've been warning about troubles in Ireland for years now, because of brexit, so why isn't Starmer holding Johnson to account for putting a border in, when Johnson said that was something he would never do?

He will get a chance if he starts acting like the leader of an opposition supposedly on the left. I don't want to hear about putting more police on the streets, I want to hear how he will reduce income inequality, the need for foodbanks etc.

He wont out tory the tories, so it's pointless.

If, however, he does make proportional rep a big issue, then that would be at least be a start.


Its the Pandemic in the way.

[The Slim Reaper]

Its the Pandemic in the way.

Not sure how that could even be remotely true.

KS - Boris you were warned about putting a border in the Irish sea, you said you would never do it, you did it and now the troubles are starting up again, so this is on you.

Simplistic - but a quick point.

The pandemic is one of the reasons we needed an effective opposition, it shouldn't have been an excuse not to provide one at all.

[joeysteele]

Not sure how that could even be remotely true.

KS - Boris you were warned about putting a border in the Irish sea, you said you would never do it, you did it and now the troubles are starting up again, so this is on you.

Simplistic - but a quick point.

The pandemic is one of the reasons we needed an effective opposition, it shouldn't have been an excuse not to provide one at all.

I do agree here.

I'm disappointed with the level of intensity of opposition being near non existent.
The vaccines aside at present.

There's very little to have supported this government on and a great deal which should be highlighted more by the opposition, as to the dangerous wrongs this government has managed to get away with.
So far that is.

Even too, the Lib Dems seem wary of criticising the government too.

I'm really disappointed myself re Starmer actually at present and I fear he's got more negativity to come when the series of elections are held in May.

[Zizu]

Starmer's a useless wankstain, the sooner he ****s off, the better.



When he first got the Labour leadership I was kinda impressed with him but now everytime he opens his mouth he goes down in my estimation..


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[Vicky.]

I think it's important to just add that Brits will happily accept a boot on the neck, as long as they believe their neighbour is getting 2 boots on the neck. for such a bunch of WW2 fawning, flag shagging, gallahads, we're actually a bunch of subservient conformists.

This is possibly one of the truest (and most depressing) posts I have read on here.

[arista]

https://order-order.com/2021/04/08/labours-party-political-broadcast-broke-nhs-guidelines-on-logo-use/

[When Vote Leave plastered the NHS’s logo on the side
of the infamous campaign bus,
there was outrage from almost everyone on
the left of the political spectrum.
Labour’s then Shadow Health Secretary, Heidi Alexander,
was quick to jump onto the big red
outrage bus, going as far as writing
a letter to NHS England’s Chief Executive Simon Stevens
urging him to make a “clear statement”
distancing the public service from the campaign.
How times change.

Throughout last night’s party political broadcast
Keir Starmer tried to make the association
that a vote for Labour was
a “vote for our NHS”.
Labour diligently reminded listeners of
this fact by flashing the
NHS’s official logo on screen no less than
twelve times to drive the message
home subliminally. Naughty…]

[joeysteele]

I really believe myself Labour would near walk or certainly win the next election, IF, and if it was brave enough to, endorse as policy PR in elections from elections post 2024 onwards.

The Cons would be driven into panic, however it's one policy they'd never even want to steal.
Because they would then know, never again would there be a majority Con government, certainly not when only taking 43% of the votes cast.

I hoped Starmer would come round to that.
Maybe he yet will.
This minority of votes cast for one Party resulting in high overall majorities so said Party can ride over all other voters is obscene as a democracy.

As it was in 2005 when Labour with only around 35% of the votes cast got a 58 overall majority then too.

Really obscene and as far from real representative democracy as can be reached in my view.

[arista]

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[Gusto Brunt]

Keir Starmer is the biggest joke in UK politics. I wouldn't vote for him in a million years. His main problem is that he is empty headed. He doesn't have an original thought or policy.

He only says what he thinks people wants him to say. He looks stupid. He sounds very stupid. I always switch him off the radio and TV. Can't stand the dope.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/13/23/41718604-9467651-In_the_last_48_hours_the_rivalry_has_taken_a_more_ serious_turn_a-a-63_1618354502916.jpg
Today At PMQ's Starmer Demands a Vote
on Sleaze of David Cameron.




Lobbying Investigation Live in Parliament now

[arista]

Parliament
Labour Motion Vote
expected in 3 mins

[arista]

262 Ayes
357 Noes


Majority 95


Labour Plan Rejected

[joeysteele]

262 Ayes
357 Noes


Majority 95


Labour Plan Rejected

This result was hardly a surprise.

[arista]

This result was hardly a surprise.


Yes the Numbers.


Blame Corybn
2019 General Election.

[bots]

labour were never going to win that vote

[joeysteele]

Yes the Numbers.


Blame Corybn
2019 General Election.


Partly.
However I blame the Con MPs, they were never going to vote for more scrutiny on the issue.

Sadly most of their voters,( in my view), will not even bother to consider that.

[bots]

i remember all to clearly the amount of dodgy deals that Tony Blair and his batch of mp's got up to, so although its in the past now, they were as guilty even perhaps more so than anyone else. The reason labour are complaining is because they have been out of power for so long they haven't been able to exploit it themselves in recent times

[arista]

Rachel Reeves Labour MP
is happy now

The Treasury Committee announced
will Drag Cameron in and Sunak.


SkyNewsHD Live

The Prime Minister will be Angry.

[Zizu]

i remember all to clearly the amount of dodgy deals that Tony Blair and his batch of mp's got up to, so although its in the past now, they were as guilty even perhaps more so than anyone else. The reason labour are complaining is because they have been out of power for so long they haven't been able to exploit it themselves in recent times



It’s just as I said previously.. politics / politicians have been corrupt as long as I can recall ...that’s back to Harold Wilson and his cronies


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[arista]

Nothing is stopping the tories anyway. We're a nation of bootlicking doormats that love to be treated badly by them and nothing's gonna change that.



The Prime Minister now Angry


Rachel Reeves Labour MP
is happy now

The Parliament Treasury Committee announced
will Drag Cameron in and Sunak.

[arista]

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Starmer Out
again on todays Twitter


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerOut&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

[Crimson Dynamo]

labour are now at best a fringe group

pitiful

[bots]

it's a long way till the election yet .... remember when may called an election with the polls showing she would romp it and she very nearly lost it 4 weeks later

[Oliver_W]

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Starmer Out
again on todays Twitter


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerOut&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

How about no?

An outlier likely caused by the "Vaccine Boost" is no recent to ditch a leader who is polling well among Labour voters.

1382638865844932609

When those who don't like you are fans of Wrong-Daily, you're probably on the right path :joker:

[joeysteele]

There's only 91% total there.
The SNP and PC and N Irish politicians don't take up anything like 9%.

I think any faith put in polling, and as bots exampled 2017, which he's spot on on, is at best misguided.
There is a vaccine bounce to the Cons although, it's not a bounce as even in this poll, they are still barely at where they were in Dec 2019.

So let's see how things develop once the analysis really gets a chance to begin as to this government's overall mess on dealing with the lives of its citizens during this pandemic.
Except for the vaccine rollout.

Starmer does need to develop a more cutting style of delivery however and not be so cagey as to opposing this government.

It's commendable he has tried to be as accommodating to the actions of the government, however, he needs to do more of what his title is, leader of the OPPOSITION, and present solid, credible alternatives.

Plus, he could turn that polling round at a stroke if he adopted a policy of PR for all elections after the 2024 expected one.

[arista]

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[arista]

Keir Starmer kicked out of pub over lockdown response

SkyNewsHD Reports

[arista]

A clip was just on Ch5HDnews

Starmer in Bath
an Owner being held back by Starmer's men
He was Shouting at the Labour Leader

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/19/17/41945716-9487383-In_astonishing_scenes_in_Bath_today_Rod_Humphris_l andlord_of_the-m-7_1618848750563.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/19/15/41946540-9487383-As_the_politician_paused_the_landlord_waved_a_piec e_of_paper_at_-a-15_1618842916537.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/19/15/41945712-9487383-This_prompted_the_scenes_in_which_Mr_Humphris_dema nded_the_Labou-a-23_1618840889454.jpg
['He should be standing up for us': Labour-supporting landlord
who yelled 'Get out of my pub!' at Keir Starmer is
'furious' at leader for not providing
proper opposition to Boris Johnson]


[In astonishing scenes in Bath today,
Rod Humphris, the lockdown-sceptic landlord
of the Raven, had to be held back by the
Opposition Leader's security guards
as he demanded he leave, shouting,
'that man is not allowed in my pub'
and 'get out of my pub'.

The incident was captured on camera
by reporters amid a visit to the city
to support West of England metro mayoral
candidate Dan Norris ahead of the forthcoming elections.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9487383/Keir-Starmer-THROWN-Bath-pub-astonishing-bust-Labour-supporting-landlord.html

[bots]

peggie mitchell has been born again?

[arista]

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/19/pub-landlord-shouts-at-starmer-for-backing-covid-rules?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1618851987

[Beso]

His thugs assaulted the owner of that pub.

[Oliver_W]

Of course the landlord is a nutcase, how surprising :joker:

1384153383649435649

But good old Keir got his drink in the end :)

1384214413163470848

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A00B/production/_118117904_metro-resized.jpg

[arista]

The Pub Owner made comments
that "many on this thread" have stated,
that he does not stand up to Johnson PM,

[arista]

Rod the owner Phoned into Ch5HD AM Live
9:37AM

It was the Co-Owner that had invited Starmer in.

[arista]

His thugs assaulted the owner of that pub.


Yes His minder was a Big Fella
Who Grabbed him and pushed him back.


Starmer gave Rod his Glasses back
they were on his kneck,
the minder knocked them off.


Rod on the phone to Ch5HD Live
confirmed his Co-Owner had invited Starmer in.

[joeysteele]

This incident was actually pathetic.
It's a pub I'd give a wide berth to with an irrational co owner like that.

I'm not keen on Starmer but really, it was a ridiculous incident.

[bots]

it was very obviously a setup by the covid deniars

[arista]

This incident was actually pathetic.
It's a pub I'd give a wide berth to with an irrational co owner like that.

I'm not keen on Starmer but really, it was a ridiculous incident.


But that Co-Owner Rod
spoke direct to Starmer Face to face
outside FIRST
with his pub behind him


Rod did not know
his Co-Owner had invited him in the pub.

[Kazanne]

Im not keen n Starmer ,but did feel sorry for him in that instance ,there really is no need for such bad manners and the pub owner showed himself up imo ,fair play to Starmer for ignoring the ignorant so and so.

[Vicky.]

Rod the owner Phoned into Ch5HD AM Live
9:37AM

It was the Co-Owner that had invited Starmer in.

So it was just an attention grab from a rather petty person then. Invite them in, only so you can publically throw them out :rolleyes:

Flashbacks to BB putting people in who they know have dodgy histories that are easily searchable, simply to chuck them out in the first week for media cookies :laugh:

[arista]

So it was just an attention grab from a rather petty person then. Invite them in, only so you can publically throw them out :rolleyes:

Flashbacks to BB putting people in who they know have dodgy histories that are easily searchable, simply to chuck them out in the first week for media cookies :laugh:


The problem was Outside in the street
Rod the Co-Owner spent a few mins
talking direct to Starmer.
Before he Rushed into his Pub.

But Rod's Co-Owner had invited Starmer to that Pub,
in Bath.


Rod is happy to go on every news now
standing by what he first said to Starmer
"that he is allowing Johnson PM a free rein on killing so many etc."

Rod is in the Labour Party.

[arista]

Today Starmer is Demanding an Inquiry
into Johnson Paying for his Flat in Downing Street.

He is demanding to know is it paid for?
Who Paid it?
Is it Tax Payers Money?


Well Keir
I am sure Johnson can answer all those
when he feels like it..................................

[arista]

Good on Marr BBC1HD

Labours Angela Rayner MP
can not Justify an Outside Parliament Inquiry.

He pointed out to her
Labour is lagging in the Polls,


Utter Bliss

[arista]

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[arista]

[Labour reshuffle: Anneliese Dodds out
in Starmer's post-election reshuffle

Anneliese Dodds will now become
the Labour Party's chair - replacing deputy
leader Angela Rayner, who Sir Keir fired
from the role on Saturday.

Ms Rayner will instead replace Rachel Reeves in shadowing
Michael Gove at the Cabinet Office, as Ms Reeves is
promoted to the shadow chancellor role.

The Labour leader said he had faith in
his "refreshed and renewed team".

In a statement, he added that Labour "must be
the party that embraces the demand for
change across our country" - and that the
new shadow cabinet was the right one to take on the challenge.]

[After the announcement, Ms Rayner said she
would use her new role
to "focus on the future of work and the future of our economy".

And new shadow chancellor Ms Reeves said
she was "honoured" to take on the job,
tweeting: "Our economic recovery must be fair.
We must transform lives and back businesses
in every part of our country."

Sir Keir is facing criticism after losing control
of eight councils in his first test at the
ballot box since becoming leader last April.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57050659

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[joeysteele]

I like some of his changes particularly Wes Streeting brought into the shadow cabinet too.

Rachel Reeves is always to me more impressive, so pleased for her too.

Really big question mark hangs on him as leader however.
Labour generally isn't ruthless in getting rid of leaders.

So he's likely got to the next election at least unless more disasters are evident in future elections.

[arista]

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I agree Joey
Rachel is a Fair MP

[arista]

[Other movements in the reshuffle include:

Thangam Debbonaire changing from her housing brief to become the new shadow leader of the House of Commons - replacing Valerie Vaz who has been in the role since 2016

Lucy Powell replaces her as shadow housing secretary

Wes Streeting taking on a newly formed role as the shadow minister tackling child poverty

Alan Campbell will replace Nick Brown as chief whip having served as the deputy chief whip since 2010
Ms Dodds will also become the chair of the Labour Policy Review

Lisa Nandy is expected to remain as shadow foreign secretary,
while Jonathan Ashworth will stay in his role as shadow health secretary.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57050659

[bots]

1391499625299841029



Those words are basically a load of regurgitated tripe. Also, given that she has no say on the economy under the conservatives and in an opposition very much in the minority she can't influence or change anything. So the bottom line is that her twitter post is a complete mindless irrelevance

[arista]

[Labour hits out at 'cynical and ugly' voter
ID plans ahead of Queen's Speech (tomorrow)

A number of measures to tackle voting fraud
are expected to be introduced by the government,
including on voter ID.]

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11044321#post11044321

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

Also, given that she has no say on the economy under the conservatives and in an opposition very much in the minority she can't influence or change anything. So the bottom line is that her twitter post is a complete mindless irrelevance
In that case, it doesn't matter one whit what Starmer does with his Shadow Cabinet, and people have nothing to moan about :shrug:

[arista]

Labour has suspended Unite's assistant
general secretary from the party after
he tweeted that Home Secretary Priti Patel "should be deported".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57109007

[joeysteele]

In that case, it doesn't matter one whit what Starmer does with his Shadow Cabinet, and people have nothing to moan about :shrug:

EXACTLY.
It seems hard-line Cons just think Labour should do nothing, say nothing, don't criticise the government, however should be a stronger opposition, what???

They never like any Labour leader and get their knives out as soon as ones elected.

Johnson has been found to politically lie more than most, deceive, has been found to have acted unlawfully in power when proroguing parliament.
I'll avoid his part in the losses of lives in this pandemic.

Then he's Boris, friendly name term Boris.
His name is the last thing I'd call him.

The aim of hard-line Cons is to work for and see the end of the Labour party by calling for it to split.
Because they know if it did, their Party could then get away with more heartless policies against the vulnerable.

As a member I'll help fight inside the Party, to keep all together, to hopefully help build support for electoral reform.
To do my small part to help get the right policies, so that when some other voters do eventually realise the creep Johnson is.
Then turn on this government, Labour is ready to seize on that.

I am no fan of Starmer, his reshuffle looks good on paper.
I'm pleased Wes Streeting has been brought into the Shadow cabinet.

I hope this is a team that can start to change things.
Not listening to hard-line Cons, who Just want Labour to shut up and go away.
Get said what should be said and pointed out too.

[arista]

Labour has suspended Unite's assistant
general secretary from the party after
he tweeted that Home Secretary Priti Patel "should be deported".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57109007


Howard Beckett
was Live on All Out Politics SkyNewsHD 11:28AM
he took the tweet down, after 30mins
He Apologised right away.

He says he mean't Patel is evicting people in Glasgow?
He said deporting Refugees is Racist.

Howard is fighting this.

Some in Keir Starmer's wing
want Howard Removed from Unite Union.
(Ref :SkyNews Political Reporter)

[arista]

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Keir on ITV1HD
telling us all about his life
to Piers Morgan.

[Tom4784]

Who gives a **** who interviews him? He is a worthless pile of nothing as a leader and he should do the right thing and resign.

[arista]

Who gives a **** who interviews him? He is a worthless pile of nothing as a leader and he should do the right thing and resign.


He is sticking around for a year.


Some may tune in to hear about his parents struggles
I assume.

[joeysteele]

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Keir on ITV1HD
telling us all about his life
to Piers Morgan.

Not his wisest move this in my opinion arista.

[bots]

it can go either way really, it's certainly a bold move, i will give him that

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers have proved himself an excellent interviewer and a fair one so its a great choice

[arista]

Not his wisest move this in my opinion arista.



You never know
He is taking a Gamble
on ITV1HD around 9PM Piers Morgan's Life Stories

[arista]

[Sir Keir Starmer slumps 17 points behind PM in new
poll - and a third of Labour voters want him to quit]


https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-slumps-17-points-behind-pm-in-new-poll-and-a-third-of-labour-voters-want-him-to-quit-12307527

[Zizu]

[Sir Keir Starmer slumps 17 points behind PM in new
poll - and a third of Labour voters want him to quit]


https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-slumps-17-points-behind-pm-in-new-poll-and-a-third-of-labour-voters-want-him-to-quit-12307527



He’s done ... next

I’d give David Miliband a try ...


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[Tom4784]

He is sticking around for a year.


Some may tune in to hear about his parents struggles
I assume.

I don't give a **** about his past, he is a terrible leader and he should step aside if he isn't competent enough to do the job he's been given. Sob stories don't make up for inherent incompetence. This is the highest rung of UK politics, not the ****ing X-Factor.

[Oliver_W]

Not his wisest move this in my opinion arista.

Why? Morgan is fine lol, it's not like he's a right wing maniac.

[arista]

I don't give a **** about his past, he is a terrible leader and he should step aside if he isn't competent enough to do the job he's been given. Sob stories don't make up for inherent incompetence. This is the highest rung of UK politics, not the ****ing X-Factor.



Yes Very true,
he is not a Pop star.

[arista]

He’s done ... next

I’d give David Miliband a try ...






Sadly he is happy in New York City
and does not want the job,

[Zizu]

Sadly he is happy in New York City

and does not want the job,



Money and power are very powerful incentives ...


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[arista]

Money and power are very powerful incentives ...



Yes so far David M.
has had a better life, in NYC

[joeysteele]

Sadly he is happy in New York City
and does not want the job,

Not sadly.
I didn't want either Miliband really.

[bots]

david isn't even an mp, so he is at least 5 years away from being party leader assuming that he wanted to stand for parliament again, which is unlikely, then assuming he won the seat he was contesting, and then put his name forward for and won a leadership election. To say it is unlikely is quite an understatement :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Why? Morgan is fine lol, it's not like he's a right wing maniac.

Sorry Oliver, just seen this.

I Just feel there's times these sort of interviews don't help.
There's unfortunately a fair bit of negativity building against Starmer.

As is actually usual to any Labour leader that starts to seem to do well at times.

That negativity is affecting his presence.

Maybe this interview will help, or even make things worse.
I don't know.

If I'd been advising him, I'd have steered clear of this interview, with anyone, not just Morgan.

[Oliver_W]

Sorry Oliver, just seen this.

I Just feel there's times these sort of interviews don't help.
There's unfortunately a fair bit of negativity building against Starmer.

As is actually usual to any Labour leader that starts to seem to do well at times.

That negativity is affecting his presence.

Maybe this interview will help, or even make things worse.
I don't know.

If I'd been advising him, I'd have steered clear of this interview, with anyone, not just Morgan.
I've not really seen any credible negativity aimed at Starmer tbh. He's only had about a year to "fix' Labour, and that was mostly taken up by a pandemic which is currently being met with a rather successful vaccine rollout, and had a fairly successful furlough scheme...

I dunno, the Tories' success seems more like it's people looking at the successes, rather than Labour failing.

(It's just a shame the furlough and vaccine are overriding everything else, but heyho)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sorry Oliver, just seen this.

I Just feel there's times these sort of interviews don't help.
There's unfortunately a fair bit of negativity building against Starmer.

As is actually usual to any Labour leader that starts to seem to do well at times.

That negativity is affecting his presence.

Maybe this interview will help, or even make things worse.
I don't know.

If I'd been advising him, I'd have steered clear of this interview, with anyone, not just Morgan.

Id imagine its his team who have said "look people dont know you as a person, (insert focus group data that says that) and we need an interview that will have broad appeal - Morgan has that in spades - if he chose a political interviewer i doubt many would watch (as in non-political people)

I think its a smart move and will be a must watch

[joeysteele]

Id imagine its his team who have said "look people dont know you as a person, (insert focus group data that says that) and we need an interview that will have broad appeal - Morgan has that in spades - if he chose a political interviewer i doubt many would watch (as in non-political people)

I think its a smart move and will be a must watch

Yeah I'm open to that.
That makes a lot of sense.
I didn't think of it that way.

To Oliver, too, overlook my previous reservations, I'm convinced now.

[arista]

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[arista]

Tonight is the first
Big Meeting with Labour MP's and the Leader.

Debated today
on BBC2HD Politics Live.

[Kizzy]

Well you know my view...bring back Corbyn!! ;)

[joeysteele]

Well you know my view...bring back Corbyn!! ;)

Aw Kizzy.
Welcome back.
Great to see your post tonight.

[Kizzy]

Aw Kizzy.
Welcome back.
Great to see your post tonight.

Thank you :love:

[Beso]

Yes Very true,
he is not a Pop star.

His hair pretends to be Duran Duran sometimes.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1voFRPX0AIgw46?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Well you know my view...bring back Corbyn!! ;)


He is no longer in the Labour Party

[Kizzy]

He is no longer in the Labour Party

He's more Labour than any of these dork's in charge no are. And he always will be.

We don't have a Labour party now, there are moregular like the lib Dems and nobody wanted them!

[arista]

He's more Labour than any of these dork's in charge no are. And he always will be.

We don't have a Labour party now, there are moregular like the lib Dems and nobody wanted them!



Sure but he is now an independent MP

[Kizzy]

Why would he want to be associated with that shower of shiz?