Sir Keir Starmer & his Labour Party

[arista]

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Cry Away.

[arista]

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Dig Away.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/26/00/43442479-9618921-image-m-356_1621984114333.jpg

[arista]

Back in 2007

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/26/00/43319025-9618921-Keir_Starmer_with_his_parents_Rodney_and_Josephine _taken_on_his_-a-358_1621985213678.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/26/00/43319031-9618921-Sir_Keir_s_wife_Victoria_could_also_be_seen_wiping _away_tears_du-a-357_1621984129438.jpg
[Sir Keir's wife Victoria could also be seen
wiping away tears during parts of the show]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9618921/Labour-leader-Keir-Starmer-refuses-FOURTEEN-times-tell-Piers-Morgan-taken-drugs.html

ITV1HD 9:30PM Tuesday 1 June

[joeysteele]

I've thought again.
I'm still not on board this was a wise move.

It maybe can't do any further harm but knowing Morgan's style, there'll be a moment which gets picked up on.
More likely negatively.

[bots]

reading the article, i'm not sure it was smart. He was locked in to a no win situation on the drugs and sexual partners topics and if people manage to get through life without having personal family tragedy they are the exception rather than the rule.

Obviously, it very much depends on how its all edited, but I can predict the outcome now

[Livia]

He's just another unelectable Labour leader. I hope they sort themselves out before the next election or the Tories will be running virtually unopposed. Again.

[joeysteele]

reading the article, i'm not sure it was smart. He was locked in to a no win situation on the drugs and sexual partners topics and if people manage to get through life without having personal family tragedy they are the exception rather than the rule.

Obviously, it very much depends on how its all edited, but I can predict the outcome now

I've just been hearing about a drugs segment bots.

As you say depending on the edit, it's a wait and see.
However, that's one of those questioning lines which if a straight answer isn't given.
Then that is seized on by the media normally.

I am more edgy about this interview and the content of it.

I wouldn't be bothered if Labour have to seek a new leader myself.
I haven't wanted the last 3 who became so.
However, it's not a new leader that will likely help us now.

It's a new agenda, a new idea , a new narrative.
Which I may be proved wrong if it was followed, however I think PR for local and general elections could start that new agenda and grow considerably as to support for it too.

I already believe myself way over 50% of voters and the electorate who don't vote too, are believers of a fairer and more representative electoral voting system now.
Which would put the Con party into total panic in my view.
The ONLY party in the UK who'd NEVER ever want it

[bots]

i'm not a fan of PR at all, and I think it would be disastrous if it were implemented. The situation we had with May and Brexit is but a small taster of how it would be. Nothing would ever get done. Some may say that a good thing of course :laugh: but it gives power to fringe politics like we had with the northern irish group. That would be common place. So, no, i am certainly not a fan

[joeysteele]

i'm not a fan of PR at all, and I think it would be disastrous if it were implemented. The situation we had with May and Brexit is but a small taster of how it would be. Nothing would ever get done. Some may say that a good thing of course :laugh: but it gives power to fringe politics like we had with the northern irish group. That would be common place. So, no, i am certainly not a fan

Well for me and I believe the majority of voters too.
The fact we have an electoral system where in 2005 Labour could be in absolute power, only getting around 36% of the vote with a strong overall majority.
Where the last election gave the Cons around 43% of the vote with 57% of voters voting against them.
Yet taking power with an 80 overall majority against the desire of 57% of the electorate.
I find that the most Undemocratic representation possible and obscene.

If PR was the norm and it's used in part and in full, for the Scottish, Welsh and Irish elections.
For Mayoral elections.
Also the Police and Crime Commissioner elections.

It's ridiculous we don't have it for all elections now and I believe Parties would have to work and be forced to moderate and work together if it was the norm.

Never again would there be a majority Labour government, also too however never a majority Con one either.

The only people I think, sorry for this, who would be against PR, are likely Con hard-liners, who agree with their party in government particularly, being able to dismiss and ride over the majority of voters who voted against them.
That is ridiculous.
Outdated and plain wrong in my view.

Only once since 1900 has a single party got over 50% of the votes cast,
In 1906 the Cons took 50.2%

Since 1974.
The 2 main parties have only taken between around 66% to 78% of the votes cast.
Leaving near a quarter or even more of voters with no real representation whatsoever in effect.
That should be wrong in any election and no Party should have absolute power on those figures.

Since 1974, only in 2017 did the 2 Main Parties get on or above 80% of the votes cast.
That resulted in a Hung parliament.
That was correct as a result.

I won't be surprised that mainly hard-line Con supporters aren't in favour of PR, of course they're not.
They'd be in near panic.

Every other single party is in favour of it, if Labour came to embrace it too.
From Independent candidates through to UKIP/Brexit/ Reform Party, whatever it's called now, even through to the usually the UnDemocratic Unionist Party too.

Only the Cons not really.
Labour should clear it's fear on PR at the top of the party and work to align from the centre to the left.
Leaving the Cons with their heartless hard-line extreme right wing stance out where it ought to be if voting was more representative, out in the freezing cold.
It may even force the Cons to find a heart again rather than a robotic machine beating in its chest.

[joeysteele]

Furthermore, I also firmly believe had PR been the norm.
For this pandemic, a then like National government, with all the Parties elected to Westminster, carrying with them the authority of the massive majority of voters with them.
Rather than just this hapless Con government solely doing what it liked.

I think, the pandemic would have had clearer messaging and maybe less disastrous results of losses of life.

Rather than a government elected with only around 4+ out of every 10 voters.
Solely deciding policy on it.

[arista]

He's just another unelectable Labour leader. I hope they sort themselves out before the next election or the Tories will be running virtually unopposed. Again.



Labour are hoping this will
bring some round to vote for him

[joeysteele]

Labour are hoping this will
bring some round to vote for him

I really doubt it actually will arista.
I'm actually not that sure either, we the members or even many MPs think this the best move by him.

[arista]

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[arista]

Live on LBC Radio
Debating Keir.

Andrew Castle.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/

Free Live Feed link

[Oliver_W]

I don't see how PR could work with our parliamentary system - we vote for an MP to represent our constituency, not who we want to be PM. If the number of seats were to be allocated based on nation wide votes, how would they guarantee a seat gets the party the area voted for?

[Zizu]

I don't see how PR could work with our parliamentary system - we vote for an MP to represent our constituency, not who we want to be PM. If the number of seats were to be allocated based on nation wide votes, how would they guarantee a seat gets the party the area voted for?



How about a citizen’s parliament then eventually get rid of all politicians ?

https://www.citizensparliament.uk/manifesto


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[Oliver_W]

How about a citizen’s parliament then eventually get rid of all politicians ?

https://www.citizensparliament.uk/manifesto


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Ha! I actually wouldn't hate it tbh

[bots]

citizens parliament is what we have now :laugh:

We are all citizens, if what is being suggested is that parliament become apolitical, well that's just not possible

[Oliver_W]

citizens parliament is what we have now :laugh:

We are all citizens, if what is being suggested is that parliament become apolitical, well that's just not possible

If the second chamber was civilians, voting to approve laws being put through, that'd make things even more democratic

[bots]

i'm not a fan of hereditary peers, i think thats totally wrong. I also don't like how the party in government creates a load of peers to ensure their bills get through, so there is room for improvement. Also, the house of lords can't stop a bill from becoming law, they can only request a limited number of amendments after which they are just ignored.

Personally, i think we only need 1 elected body. That's why they were elected after all. I'm not sure that the lords performs a useful function

[Zizu]

citizens parliament is what we have now :laugh:



We are all citizens, if what is being suggested is that parliament become apolitical, well that's just not possible


I was thinking morally incorruptible citizens..


It’s no secret that I’d do away with every politician and get rid of the house lords ..

Things could hardly be any worse whatever we replaced them with


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[Zizu]

If the second chamber was civilians, voting to approve laws being put through, that'd make things even more democratic



Exactly


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[bots]

I was thinking morally incorruptible citizens..


It’s no secret that I’d do away with every politician and get rid of the house lords ..

Things could hardly be any worse whatever we replaced them with


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how do you determine someone is morally incorruptible? Not possible

[Zizu]

how do you determine someone is morally incorruptible? Not possible



Start with expelling all existing politicians and all the House of Lords then go from there .


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[Oliver_W]

While I'm all for accountability, I think it's helpful to have people in government who don't need to worry about being voted out or unseated due to their views.

A recent example? The use of the phrase "pregnant people" in a piece of legislature stirred some emotions among feminists.

I doubt Douglas Hurd remembers a bolshy teenager heckling him in 1999. Shortly prior to my ignoble and premature departure from the sixth form, my school took a trip to listen to him speak. Hurd had recently moved the House of Commons to the Lords and was seeking to inspire young people with a talk about the joys of parliamentary democracy. With the burning sense of self-righteous fervour that is every adolescent’s right, I shouted to the newly appointed Lord: “Why do we pretend to live in a democracy when laws are subject to the whims of unelected old, white, rich men?”

Without missing a beat and somewhat drily, Lord Hurd replied that there were plenty of old, white rich men in the commons too. Everyone laughed; my teacher gave me an icy stare and I tried to pretend not to be embarrassed, while flushing deep crimson.

Over twenty years on from my heckle and watching yesterday’s debate on the Ministerial and other Maternity Allowances Bill I have never been more thankful that the House of Lords exists. A slew of largely pale, male and stale peers similar to those I had sneered at, stood up and spoke powerfully in defence of women’s rights.

The bill itself is narrow in scope, long overdue and under-scrutinised. Hastily pushed through as emergency legislation, it has been hiked up the agenda to ensure Attorney General Suella Braverman is able to take maternity leave. It is astounding that in 2021 the possibility that a woman in such a senior position might get pregnant had not been considered or planned for. One might consider it evidence of sexism, but of course the notion of “sex” itself is now considered offensive to those who prefer to identify as genders outside of the binary.

In the course of debating the maternity bill in the House of Commons, the word “woman” was used some three-hundred times, and yet it doesn’t appear in the legislation once; instead, the draft bill refers to “pregnant people”. It was Baroness (Sheila) Noakes in the House of Lords who picked-up the gauntlet, tabling a “motion to regret” while stating her support for the aims of the bill she reminded government that it is only women who get pregnant. Baroness Noakes explained that the avoidance of the word “woman” is part of a wider assault on women’s rights from transgender activists who seek to deny the reality of sex. Labour peer Lord (Philip) Hunt went further, powerfully arguing that at a local level people are “frightened to speak out” for fear of being labelled transphobic and that the “government itself has remained silent… because the government has got a lot of this philosophy embedded within its advisory system”.

The use of so-called “gender neutral” language dates back some fourteen years. It was on International Women’s Day in 2007 when the then Leader of the Commons Jack Straw MP announced that legislation would be drafted to “take a form which achieves gender-neutral drafting so far as it is practicable”. Far from denying the female-centric reality of motherhood, his aim was laudable, believing that the practice of referring to male as the default in legislation reinforced “historic gender stereotypes” and made women invisible.

Feminists have long argued that language is political and that it can have a role in not only reflecting, but also in reifying patriarchal norms. Of course, there are always those who delight in pointing out that several hundred years ago the word “man” simply meant “human being”, often the same group who huff and puff about “political correctness gone mad”. But there is an undeniable logic in referring to “fire fighters” not “firemen”, “police officers” not “policemen” and “astronauts” not “spacemen”. These linguistic adjustments do not obscure reality, they more accurately describe a world where women can join the police, fire service or even go into space. Importantly, they send a cultural message that one can perform such roles while in possession of a vulva and breasts. In this respect sex-neutral language represents an expansion of possibilities whilst being more accurate than traditional terms.

Transgender ideology has piggy-backed off the work of feminism, but rather than communicating a shared reality what is demanded is that language be made into a tool to validate subjective identities. While many females who identify as men (transmen) claim to be offended by the word “woman”, it seems they are apparently not upset by the process of giving birth. A case in point is Guardian journalist and transgender activist Freddy McConnell. Freddy gave birth after having medical procedures to look stereotypically “male” and then lost a case at the High Court to be recognised as a “father”. In the mouths of transgender activists words such as “mother”, “father”, “female” and “male” exist as markers of faith; showing that one believes men have babies and women have penises. This extremist nonsense is now at risk of being written into the statue because our elected representatives are seemingly too stupid or scared to present a challenge.

It is an astounding testament to the power of transgender extremists that decades of work to reduce shame around women’s bodies risks being undone, “woman” itself is now a rude word. Women are increasingly referred to as “menstruators”, “cervix-havers” and “pregnant people” by official bodies, including some NHS Trusts and providers of single-sex services. Tellingly it is always women who are reduced to biological descriptors; one can imagine the response if a bill was introduced which referred to men as “ejaculators” or “scrotum-havers”. Unlike men, women are culturally expected to concede our comfort and rights in the service of “being kind”. Were it acceptable to say so this might be described as “sexism”.

Yesterday, a succession of brave men and women said no to the demands of transgender extremists. They did so because they can; because they do not have to please a fickle electorate. To date the few members of parliament who have spoken out on this issue, such as David Davies and Rosie Duffield, have faced continuous harassment from the public in addition to hostility from within their own parties. But as Baroness Noakes reminded all parliamentarians, “There is nothing incorrect or illegal about the use of the word ‘woman’ in relation to pregnancy.”

My sixteen-year-old self would doubtless be horrified, but today I find myself indebted to the brave peers who stood up for women’s rights against the whinging wokerati. I sometimes wonder what beliefs I will be forced to reconsider next; I know I will be truly estranged from my younger self when I find myself rooting for the royals.

https://thecritic.co.uk/how-the-governments-maternity-bill-seeks-to-deny-the-reality-of-sex/


Thanks to them being brave enough to speak out, changes in wording were made (https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/national-news/19120018.person-changed-mother-maternity-bill-pressure-peers/). Would they have been able to do that if they thought they could lose their place? Stuff like this is why it's helpful for parliament to have someone looking over their shoulder.

[arista]

A clip of Kier
on ITV1HD 9:30PM Tonight.

was just on GMBHD itv
Live Paper review,

The Clip showing
his upset of losing his mum.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E20VI0sWEAER3zg?format=jpg&name=small


Tonight 9:30PM ITV1HD

[Crimson Dynamo]

in the last election, Labor:shocked: lost to the Tories in Every socio-economic group!

from the bottom to the top

[Beso]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E20VI0sWEAER3zg?format=jpg&name=small


Tonight 9:30PM ITV1HD

Its excruciating to watch.

[joeysteele]

This to me, is one almighty mistake.
Would love to be proved wrong but he's leaving himself open to Morgan's ridicule.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pier, meet Keir

:laugh2:

[Zizu]

Pier, meet Keir

:laugh2:



Slimeball & Slimierball


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[joeysteele]

Slimeball & Slimierball


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Starmer's more slimy than Morgan ???
Unbelievable.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Starmer's more slimy than Morgan ???

Unbelievable.



I didn’t say which was which or who was who - you’re simply assuming :)


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[joeysteele]

I didn’t say which was which or who was who - you’re simply assuming :)


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Fair comment.
My apologies.

[UserSince2005]

his interview was so cringe. he thinks hes manly. lol

[Nicky91]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E20VI0sWEAER3zg?format=jpg&name=small


Tonight 9:30PM ITV1HD

aww finally a date for Piers :joker::joker::joker:

[Oliver_W]

in the last election, Labor:shocked: lost to the Tories in Every socio-economic group!

from the bottom to the top

I didn't realise it was that bad. I guess the "champagne socialist" image Labour had at the time didn't appeal to the working class, and the middle classes didn't want to be taxed too much? That, coupled with BoJo's "good old boy" image...

[Beso]

Is lady c his wifes mum?

[arista]

Keir Starmer dodges saying whether he
is 'woke' amid fears he is out of step with
Red Wall voters - claiming Britons
'haven't got the faintest idea' what the term means
Keir Starmer was repeatedly asked whether
he is 'woke' during LBC radio phone-in
Labour leader dodged and insisted that public
has no idea what the term means
Complained that his leadership had
faced 'strong headwind' during pandemic

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9684117/Keir-Starmer-dodges-saying-woke.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/14/12/44199697-9684117-image-m-85_1623668561860.jpg
[Sir Keir - who memorably posed 'taking the knee'
with deputy Angela Rayner in his office - refused to
condemn Scotland for deciding not to perform the gesture]

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Can’t believe he hasn’t resigned yet ..


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[arista]

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[arista]

Focus Group on Starmer


Times Radio DAB just before 6AM
with Special Guest Frank Luntz


Females said after the Piers Morgan ITV interview
some like him
Others said - Do not know him?
One said he is Captain hindsight
One said - something about him, and he did not like Starmer

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

69% of Labour Party members want Andy Burnham to be the Labour leader !


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[arista]

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Cumbria in 2017.


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Cumbria in 2019. After the General Election.

Now 5 May 2022 New Local Election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Cumbria_County_Council_election

So Can Keir Starmer
if he is still in charge
take back his lost zones.

[arista]

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Large Observer Front Page


Keir and his New Buy British Campaign

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[Oliver_W]

1416477800035401729
Labour Against the Witchunt claims the ongoing furore over anti-Semitic allegations have been politically motivated.

Resist, Labour In Exile and Socialist Appeal are the other three groups to reportedly be purged, after massive pressure from Sir Keir's own frontbench.

oh yeah, they'll be a massive loss...

[Zizu]

Guess Starmer and his cronies have a tricky dilemma now .

Do they go along with the tories grand releasing of restrictions tomorrow- as the majority of the public want OR do they do the brave and probably correct thing and argue against the idea as the world’s health experts seem to be doing ??


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[arista]

Yes Labour Back Tomorrow
but advise you to take a Mask to every place you go.
In case you need it, etc.

[arista]

The Labour Leader
just on the news
said this U - Turn from the PM
is like bank robbers?

Never mind, the PM having Covid again?

[Zizu]

The Labour Leader
just on the news
said this U - Turn from the PM
is like bank robbers?

Never mind, the PM having Covid again?


Was Starmer involved in the ‘expenses’ scandal ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

rather than try and make quips and insults all the time Kier should focus on saying what he would do instead

all he sounds like at the moment is a left-wing smarty arse tweet and or JOB

[Zizu]

rather than try and make quips and insults all the time Kier should focus on saying what he would do instead

all he sounds like at the moment is a left-wing smarty arse tweet and or JOB


Agreed .. initially I had such high expectations of him but he’s just like all the others ..


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[bots]

Starmer had a wonderful opportunity after the nightmare that was Corbyn. He is not nearly as bad as Corbyn, but I do wonder sometimes if he understands the fundamentals of politics and the need to read the mood of the people. He is never going to get any success at all unless he reflects what people actually want. So far, he has been way off the mark. The latest initiative to have grants for air con units in business/schools is just laughable

[arista]

[Keir Starmer rages at 'chaotic, incompetent hypocrite'
Boris as No10 refuses to say how long the
PM delayed between being 'pinged' and finally
agreeing to self-isolate at Chequers retreat]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9802071/Minister-admits-Boris-didnt-right-abortive-bid-dodge-self-isolation-rules.html

[arista]

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Yes Rosie
but there is so many Left Wing Groups
he would need to Delete 1000's of members

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7Njyu6XIAo5nLk?format=jpg&name=small

[With Labour quickly running out of money,
it looks like the party is now resorting
to tactics Sir Keir had previously labelled
“against British values” just to keep the
ship afloat. New reports show that,
despite their own calls back in May
to ban “fire and rehire” practices,
Labour are now recruiting staff on
temporary contracts with weaker
employment rights than its
permanent workforce – whilst simultaneously
announcing mass redundancies
to get “fighting fit for upcoming campaigns
and the next general election”…
The new hires will be placed on 6 month contracts,
and asked to bring their own laptop
and anti-virus software as they investigate
complaints against party members.
A senior Labour MP said:

“Sacking individuals and hiring others with worse wages,
terms and conditions are the actions of
the worst of the very worst employers.”

That the party is cutting corners shouldn’t come as no surprise:
last week it was revealed their financial reserves are now down
to just one month’s payroll owing to “lost members and dealing
with antisemitism cases.” What’s more surprising is how quickly
they turned to a practice their own
deputy leader insisted should be “outlaw[ed] it without
any further delay”…]


https://order-order.com/2021/07/26/labour-using-fire-rehire-tactics-to-stabilise-finances/

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

I read on a website that starmer is actually a lesbian in disguise..


Is this rumour true?

[arista]

I read on a website that starmer is actually a lesbian in disguise..


Is this rumour true?


No thats Political talk

[arista]

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[bots]

Starmer can't catch a break. Criticized Boris over the lifting of restrictions and infections are going down

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Well it's a mystery to me why it's being highlighted now as to Gavin Williamson.

It's obscene he was ever brought back as a Minister in any department never mind Education.

Starmer needs to call out more of these incompetent Ministers.
So too however does his Shadow Cabinet.

Once the party conferences get going, Starmer really has to set out a good stall as to a new vision and new narrative.
It's his first real chance to shine since becoming leader.
A chance he has to forcefully take across the board.

[arista]

Yes it's easy to Pick on the Education Secretary
gets him on every news.

But it is really China's Covid that caused all the trouble
last year, in my view

[arista]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerOut&src=trend_click&vertical=trends


Again Anger
at Starmer

[smudgie]

Oh dear, he really is clueless isn’t he?

[arista]

[British filmmaker Ken Loach has said
he has been kicked out of the Labour Party
for supporting others who have been expelled.
The 85-year-old lifelong socialist said
there was a "purge" and a "witch-hunt" in
the party as he criticised
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer.]


https://news.sky.com/story/ken-loach-filmmaker-kicked-out-of-labour-party-for-supporting-expelled-members-12381196

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[Zizu]

Has he not resigned yet ??!!?


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[The Slim Reaper]

Has he not resigned yet ??!!?


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I think my feelings towards starmer are well known, but why him and not Johnson?

[Beso]

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Full of hot air.

But not unusual for the labour party.

[Zizu]

I think my feelings towards starmer are well known, but why him and not Johnson?


I just think that Boris is a kind hearted guy ...


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[The Slim Reaper]

I just think that Boris is a kind hearted guy ...


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Johnsons appeal has always been cruelty, and never kindness.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Today You Gov poll
gives Labour a first lead.
ref: All Out Politics SkyNewsHD

Labour 35% (+1)
Conservatives 33% (-5)
LibDem 10% (+2)
Reform UK 5% (+2)



[Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer
would 'back wealth taxes' to
fund social care reform but refuses to reveal plan
The Labour leader has been criticised by his
own party for failing to offer an alternative
to the government's social care reform plans.]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-would-back-wealth-taxes-to-fund-social-care-reform-but-refuses-to-reveal-plan-12403176


Beth Rigby SkyNewsHD
spent a day with Keir
he went into a Teen Politics class
Up North.

[arista]

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[arista]

Keir Today spoke at TUC virtual conference
London.


Making them happy.


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[smudgie]

Keir Today spoke at TUC virtual conference
London.


Making them happy.


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Makes good sense to me.

[joeysteele]

Keir Today spoke at TUC virtual conference
London.


Making them happy.


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That's a bit more like it certainly.
It's incredible those aren't in place already!!!

[GoldHeart]

That's a bit more like it certainly.
It's incredible those aren't in place already!!!

Of course those things should be in place .
Labour has been trying to get support with those policies for some time, sadly with this terrible Tory government I don't have faith .

[Crimson Dynamo]

i cant see this dinosaur party ever ever winning again

we have all moved on

[joeysteele]

Of course those things should be in place .
Labour has been trying to get support with those policies for some time, sadly with this terrible Tory government I don't have faith .

I think the tide is slowly starting to turn against this detestable government and Prime Minister GoldHeart.

Starmer needs to start hammering these kind of messages home more and more.

It's a tough ask to win power at the next election outright..
However with the SNP in the main, more supportive of social decency policies.
The strong anti Con make up of opposition parties at Westminster.
Apart from the DUP that is.

Then the Cons overall majority could easily be removed strongly at the next election.
Paving the way for a Labour led government with hopefully SNP support.

Things like those simple statements above from Starmer are relevant and as I said should have been done already..
Glad you think so too.

[GoldHeart]

I think the tide is slowly starting to turn against this detestable government and Prime Minister GoldHeart.

Starmer needs to start hammering these kind of messages home more and more.

It's a tough ask to win power at the next election outright..
However with the SNP in the main, more supportive of social decency policies.
The strong anti Con make up of opposition parties at Westminster.
Apart from the DUP that is.

Then the Cons overall majority could easily be removed strongly at the next election.
Paving the way for a Labour led government with hopefully SNP support.

Things like those simple statements above from Starmer are relevant and as I said should have been done already..
Glad you think so too.

Yeah if SNP and Labour could work together , then we might actually get somewhere.

I guess we'll have to see what happens next . It's all important , and it affects not just us but the next generation.

[arista]

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[arista]

From Politics Live BBC2HD
Keir Starmer wants to change how they elect a Labour Leader
he wants to return to the MP's to pick the leader
before Ed Miliboy'
changed it, in 2015.

[Beso]

Imagine being less popular as a leader of your party than jeremy corbyn was.:hehe:

[arista]

Debate on Politics Live BBC2HD
is saying why Starmer must change the rules.

[joeysteele]

It is beyond my own understanding why Starmer is creating this issue now.
His first major conference as leader coming up.
This will be the distraction in the media, overblown as to its importance.

It has me just about starting to think Starmer isn't too bothered about winning the next election.

We have mountains to climb not just one.
If Johnson gets the election done after the new boundary changes come into play, then that gives the Cons more seats and Labour a few less on 2019 anyway.

So to raise this election of leader issue seems to me, an unnecessary waste of time and energy.
Not to mention the discord this could cause throughout the Labour movement.

I'm really puzzled as to Starmer actually.

[arista]

They are saying he wants to get it done first,
get it out of the way, on Saturday first day of
the Labour Conference.

It was the Voting System
that got Corbyn, elected.
Thats whats going down.



And he still wants to Win
the next General Election.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

They are saying he wants to get it done first,
get it out of the way, on Saturday first day of
the Labour Conference.

It was the Voting System
that got Corbyn, elected.
Thats whats going down.



And he still wants to Win
the next General Election.


It's the system that got him elected too.

[arista]

It's the system that got him elected too.


Yes but he still
wants it to go back to MP's and Union votes
so no one like Corbyn can Jump in the race.

[joeysteele]

Yes but he still
wants it to go back to MP's and Union votes
so no one like Corbyn can Jump in the race.

Well Corbyn only was able to stand because he just got enough nominations from MPs to do so.

One of whom nominating him was Margaret Beckett unbelievably.

There were other surprising names too nominating him among MPs.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Not my kind of humour but there is a valuable message of demonstrating passion on what you believe.
Not being robotic and seemingly dull.

Wonder what Jess thinks of that sketch.
I did smile at a lot of it.

[arista]

Keir Starmer was on Peston on weds night.

Right now he is Live on BBC1 AM
he is says it's
the wrong time to take away the Bonus £20?

He says again the Minimum wage per hour will be £10
under Labour.

He pointed out the Billions wasted
on Matt Hancocks mate.
Crony Contracts.



One Big Problem
with Starmer today
he kept going back to Johnson's 2019 speech.
Said Nothing on Covid?
Which changed everything.



He also said about the Saudi
Newcastle United take over
needs to go under a review.

[arista]

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[arista]

Keir Starmer is going to be Live in
the London studio of GMBHD itv.

[arista]

The Labour Leader
now in the ITV studio

Live

[arista]

He wants Mask Wearing enforced.


And Ant Vaxxers banned from outside Schools

[bots]

Can he show that mask wearing has made a noticeable difference in Scotland or Wales?

[arista]

Can he show that mask wearing has made a noticeable difference in Scotland or Wales?


It is too early.


Covid is Airborne, anyway.

[joeysteele]

He wants Mask Wearing enforced.


And Ant Vaxxers banned from outside Schools

I still wear a mask, all the time.

I do think in stores,shops and public transport it should be a must.
It shouldn't have been relaxed yet in my opinion.

I still social distance too.

Obviously from what covid has affected my family.
My Mum, it's hard to get her to go out, seeing so many people not wearing masks, she doesn't feel safe.
I know of others who feel the same too.

I agree with him.

[arista]

"I still wear a mask, all the time."


Yes So do I.

[bots]

It is too early.


Covid is Airborne, anyway.

it's not too early, Scotland has had the mandatory mask law all through the restriction lifting. The simple answer is that Scotland and Wales are experiencing the same uplift in infections, so clearly mask wearing isn't the big solution. Don't get me wrong, i wear a mask in public settings, but it isn't the big solution that everyone is making it out to be

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn Independent MP
was Live on LBC

[arista]

Keir Starmer
is live 9AM on LBC on Monday 15/11/21

[arista]

He is Live on LBC

[Zizu]

I’m watching Boardwalk Empire and all the political corruption and ineptitude in the series ... mirrors our political system perfectly

[arista]

I’m watching Boardwalk Empire and all the political corruption and ineptitude in the series ... mirrors our political system perfectly


Yes great Series
SkyAtlanticHD

[arista]

Intro by Rough Deputy Angela Raynor
is Live on all 3 News Stations

Westminster

Having a Go at Johnson.


Now it is Kier Starmer talking

Talking about his plan tomorrow
to Halt Corruption.

[arista]

Keir is Angry

Mentions Randox Deal

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/04/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-awarded-new-347m-covid-contract
Year old

[arista]

They are taking media questions.

[Beso]

Keir is Angry

Mentions Randox Deal

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/04/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-awarded-new-347m-covid-contract
Year old

Ooo, everyones shaking in their boots from keirs temper.

[Cherie]

Can he show that mask wearing has made a noticeable difference in Scotland or Wales?

I wear a mask as well, but clearly social distancing is the key, not mask wearing

[arista]

Because Sky asked a question, they have no right to show (Stanley Johnson)
BBC left it.
BBC has only spoken about it.


Only on SkyNewsHD.

[arista]

Number 10 has agreed to
to what Keir wants
on Code of Conducts.

[arista]

Labour wants all 2nd jobs Stopped

Well Get David Lammy MP
off LBC, then.

However, political reports say the Conservative plan will get more votes.

[arista]

Labours plan Rejected

Voting just taken
Yeas 231
Noes 282


Live on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Conservative Plan For halting 2nd jobs Won


Yeas 297
Noes 0


Live in Parliament on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Starmer also Live at the CBI


Port on Tyne


On SkyNewsHD and the other 2 News Channels

[arista]

Starmer On BBCNewsHD now


a Repeat of Nick Robinson

"Political Thinking" series
a Radio 4 Show
Filmed for BBCnewsHD

[arista]

Cat Smith MP first to go

Cabinet Reshuffle going on now



Ref:SkyNewsHD


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-reshuffle-sir-keir-starmer-makes-surprise-shake-up-to-shadow-cabinet-12482325


Deputy Angela Rayner not in the Loop Again

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFW_niAX0AUf1cn?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

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[bots]

oops :laugh:

Also, i don't know what reality she is in, but everything else she said was way off the ball too

[arista]

[Kate Green MP
removed as shadow education secretary - sources
Sky News understands from two sources that Kate Green
has been removed as shadow education secretary.
There has yet to be formal confirmation of the move.]

Live Text Feed
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-reshuffle-sir-keir-starmer-makes-surprise-shake-up-to-shadow-cabinet-12482325

[arista]

Jonathan Ashworth MP, Shadow Health Secretary
has Covid-19.
Not able to be in Parliament.

[arista]

Nick Thomas-Symonds MP
is being demoted from his
position as shadow home secretary.

Kate Green MP Shadow Eduction Secretary is Out

Jo Stevens MP Shadow Welsh Sec. is out


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sir-keir-starmer-shaking-up-top-team-as-shadow-cabinet-reshuffle-begins-12482296

[arista]

[Sir Keir Starmer has sacked his shadow
chancellor in a shake-up of his team
after poor election results in England.

Anneliese Dodds will now become the
Labour Party's chair - replacing deputy leader
Angela Rayner, whom Sir Keir fired from
the role on Saturday.

Ms Rayner will instead replace Rachel Reeves
in shadowing Michael Gove at the Cabinet Office,
as Ms Reeves is promoted to the shadow chancellor role.

The Labour leader chaired a meeting
of the shadow cabinet on Monday.
Sources said Sir Keir told them there
was no escaping the scale of the defeats
which said "something profound about
the size of the journey we have to go".

He was said to have told the meeting:
"To be clear, I take responsibility.
Nobody else.
I lead the Labour Party and it is entirely on me."]


[Labour MP for Birmingham Ladywood,
Shabana Mahmood, has taken on
Ms Rayner's other former role as
campaign coordinator.]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57050659

[arista]

On Ch4HDnews

Left Winger Diane Abbott MP
claims Starmer is moving to the Right.

[arista]

[Yvette Cooper MP becomes shadow home secretary



Wes Streeting MP is promoted to shadow health secretary, handing him a key role in scrutinising the government's response to the pandemic.

He replaces Jonathan Ashworth, who becomes shadow work and pensions secretary.]

[Louise Haigh leaves her post as shadow
Northern Ireland secretary, replacing Jim McMahon
as shadow transport secretary.
It comes after she made headlines earlier this month when
she said Labour should be neutral if there
was an Irish unity referendum.
She will be replaced in the role by Peter Kyle,
who is promoted from his former role as shadow minister for schools]

[arista]

Emily Thornberry will
become shadow attorney-general
Jo Stevens moves from
shadow culture secretary to become Welsh secretary,
replacing Nia Griffith
Lucy Powell becomes new
culture secretary,
with Ms Nandy taking over her
former role on housing policy
Jim McMahon becomes shadow environment secretary,
replacing Luke Pollard.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59461674

[Alf]

[yvette cooper mp becomes shadow home secretary



wes streeting mp is promoted to shadow health secretary, handing him a key role in scrutinising the government's response to the pandemic.

He replaces jonathan ashworth, who becomes shadow work and pensions secretary.]

[louise haigh leaves her post as shadow
northern ireland secretary, replacing jim mcmahon
as shadow transport secretary.
It comes after she made headlines earlier this month when
she said labour should be neutral if there
was an irish unity referendum.
She will be replaced in the role by peter kyle,
who is promoted from his former role as shadow minister for schools]1465448705365098496

[bots]

thats obviously fake Alf

[Alf]

thats obviously fake AlfWhy so? If it was fake why would it say refugees welcome? That doesn't even sound bad, because I don't think many people would have an issue with genuine refugees being welcome. If you was gonna do a fake what would be the point of it? Wouldn't you do something more meaningful if you were trying to smear?

I have no reason to believe it's fake, why do you believe it's obvious, what's your tells?

[bots]

Why so? If it was fake why would it say refugees welcome? That doesn't even sound bad, because I don't think many people would have an issue with genuine refugees being welcome. If you was gonna do a fake what would be the point of it? Wouldn't you do something more meaningful if you were trying to smear?

I have no reason to believe it's fake, why do you believe it's obvious, what's your tells?

because there was one exactly the same for Abbott .... i mean you can see someone has plonked that card with writing on ..... If you truly get fooled by this stuff then its no surprise you swallow every conspiracy going

[Alf]

because there was one exactly the same for Abbott .... i mean you can see someone has plonked that card with writing on ..... If you truly get fooled by this stuff then its no surprise you swallow every conspiracy goingSo you can't really explain why it was obvious, it was just so you could have a pop at me?

I'm fairly sure I remember lots of people in the spotlight holding up signs like this at one time or another, usually after terrorist attacks from a few years back. So as I say, I see no reason why it's fake.

[Alf]

because there was one exactly the same for Abbott .... i mean you can see someone has plonked that card with writing on ..... If you truly get fooled by this stuff then its no surprise you swallow every conspiracy goingAlso, just googled it and there's an article in The Spectator from August 2016 showing the same picture. I wouldn't believe The Spectator would put a fake picture in their publication.

[Alf]

So it looks like it turns out that you either swallow things too easy or just blatantly make stuff up.

Quick, see what you can do to turn this back around on me again.

[bots]

Alf, you keep think as you do, but at least try to apply some critical thinking to what you read

[Alf]

Alf, you keep think as you do, but at least try to apply some critical thinking to what you readDon't make up porkie pies to try and get the upper hand over me. If you want to put me down then do it with facts and honesty. I'll respect that more.

[joeysteele]

I'm so glad to see Yvette made Home secretary.
She is very effective in select committee questioning on issues.

Absolutely great new to see Wes Streeting as Health secretary now too.
I've great respect for Wes.
Congratulations to him from me.

Not sure on David Lammy's post now however.

A fair bit of just moving around than anything else, however the changes made seem on paper good matching up as to most, in my view.

[bots]

Don't make up porkie pies to try and get the upper hand over me. If you want to put me down then do it with facts and honesty. I'll respect that more.

i'm not making up porky pies alf, the picture is fake

[arista]

I'm so glad to see Yvette made Home secretary.
She is very effective in select committee questioning on issues.

Absolutely great new to see Wes Streeting as Health secretary now too.
I've great respect for Wes.
Congratulations to him from me.

Not sure on David Lammy's post now however.

A fair bit of just moving around than anything else, however the changes made seem on paper good matching up as to most, in my view.


Yes Lammy
Shadow Foreign Secretary

And he still has an LBC show?

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

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Does anyone even care what Own Goal has to say?

(Apart from those who foam at the mouth at every little thing he does)

[arista]

Keir is having his booster injection
on Monday.

He agrees with the PM on Masks.

He told Beth Rigby.

[arista]

BBC Text:
[The cut in funding from the Labour Party's
biggest union backer, Unite. Unite decided
to cut the funding because, according
to its general secretary,
"Labour needs to talk about workers
and defend communities".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13577/production/_121932297_guardian-nc.png

[joeysteele]

I love the Union connection to Labour.
However if they're cutting funding then let's cut their influence and voting at conference.
They'll get nothing better from the Cons or other parties.

Labour members will Just need to cough up more when necessary, if this Union takes this petty line.

Any sort of niggling re Labour and some Union leaders, actually could benefit Labour as the softer or swing voters of other parties think the Unions aren't dominating,or getting away with trying to.
If this woman was happy to see millions handed to a campaign and leader that COULDN'T win.

Yet now would pull the plug on a campaign and policy making not even known or needed yet, with a leader who just may have the ability and chance to end the majority rule of this PM and the Cons.
Then she's perhaps the wrong person to be leading anything in my view.

[bots]

everyone goes on about the dodgy deals the tories do with donors/employers/brown envelopes, quite rightly, but the union money dependent on influencing policy is just as bad, if not worse. It may all be out in the open, but its still a case of ... you can have this money if you do that

[joeysteele]

The Labour party was born from the Union movement.

I have no gripe with the Con donors as long as it's all made known and from who.

The Unions are a big part of the employment process.
Connected strongly to the Labour party.
It seems Cons think Labour shouldn't get any regular income.
While turning a blind eye to the massive donations to their own party.
Known or unknown.

Unless the day comes whereby political parties are state funded.
Which I can't see taxpayers being happy at all about.
Then they need income from other sources.

The political membership of parties could never cover election costs alone.
If the Unions should NOT donate and have consultation and influence on Labour policy.

Then neither too should ANY source be able to donate to the CON party either.
Good luck with getting the Cons to agree to that one.

[arista]

Trevor Phillips (SkyNewsHD)
asked Jim McMahon (Labours New Environment Minister)
a great Question
he asked, "are you going to do a deal with the SNP or Farage?,
to get into power"

Jim said "not really, we just want to get into power"



Great question
as without Scotland
Labour will stay out of power

[user104658]

I don’t think the tories are beatable in the UK without SNP coalition of some description. I think it’s genuinely just not possible at this point. And even if you’re a Tory, that’s simply not a good thing, ineffective opposition in parliament is bad for everyone.

[arista]

I don’t think the tories are beatable in the UK without SNP coalition of some description. I think it’s genuinely just not possible at this point. And even if you’re a Tory, that’s simply not a good thing, ineffective opposition in parliament is bad for everyone.

But they have 6 Conservative MP's in Scotland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Conservatives


Labour ONLY has 1.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/06/09/51394833-10253445-image-a-4_1638784029426.jpg


Kier getting his Booster Jab

[Beso]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/06/09/51394833-10253445-image-a-4_1638784029426.jpg


Kier getting his Booster Jab

That bloke should have gloves on.

[arista]

That bloke should have gloves on.



Yes very true

He showed his Card on ITV1HD lunch news
number 3 Vaccine
Moderna

[Livia]

I see Angela Rayner's still in the picture after calling Tories "scum" just before one was stabbed to death. Shameful.

[arista]

I see Angela Rayner's still in the picture after calling Tories "scum" just before one was stabbed to death. Shameful.

Yes, she has said Sorry for that remake,
again.


It is sad that Conservative MP was stabbed to death
by a Foreign Terrorist

[Cherie]

Yes, she has said Sorry for that remake,
again.


It is sad that Conservative MP was stabbed to death
by a Foreign Terrorist

He was British!

[arista]

[/B]
He was British!


Sure but from family of Asia

[bots]

I see Angela Rayner's still in the picture after calling Tories "scum" just before one was stabbed to death. Shameful.

they can't get rid of her because she was elected by the membership as deputy. Keir cant change that

[bots]

Veteran Labour MP Harriet Harman has announced she will stand down at the next general election.

She revealed her decision in an email to her local party in Camberwell and Peckham on Tuesday morning after almost 40 years as their MP.

She promised to "work energetically" until the next polling day.

But Ms Harman said she would then leave the Commons "now confident that Labour is gaining strength under the leadership of Keir Starmer".

Labour MP Karen Buck called her a "guiding light and inspiration for women in politics", while former MP and now West Yorkshire Mayor, Tracey Brabin, called her "the original glass ceiling smasher".

The 71-year-old became an MP in 1982 and has held a raft of posts in the party - including two brief stints as leader after Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband stepped down.

She served as deputy leader for both men, but is perhaps better known for her feminist campaigning in Parliament and as Mother of the House - the woman with the longest continuous service in the Commons.

[arista]

[Labour MP Harriet Harman has announced
she will stand down at the next general election]


Yes fair enough
she has had her time,
last under Corbyn
doing pink bus tours?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/mcs/media/images/80918000/jpg/_80918903_80918902.jpg

2015

[Deputy leader Harriet Harman is
leading the "woman-to-woman" initiative,
which will see a 16-seater minibus tour
the UK up to May's election targeting women
who did not vote in 2010.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31376622

[arista]

Starmer has given an Exclusive to Times Radio DAB
and free online.

The presenter Ayesha Hazarika
worked under new labour.


At the end of the interview
she asked him
for his vision of the UK.


He said a "New Britain" under him.


I thought, sounds like new labour, again.

[arista]

He is Live In Birmingham
on all 3 News Channels



Sounds like he is Day Dreaming?


He is going on about a Contract
with the British people.


But the Election is 2 years away...................

[arista]

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[arista]

Starmer has Covid-19, again.

[Zizu]

Starmer has Covid-19, again.


He didn’t look too good yesterday ... could be he was spreading Covid unknowingly ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Starmer has Covid-19, again.

he never has that mask off

[arista]

he never has that mask off


He does when he talks
to people

[Crimson Dynamo]

He does when he talks
to people

this must be the 8th time he has been isolating?

[arista]

this must be the 8th time he has been isolating?



Yes he gets unlucky

[Zizu]

this must be the 8th time he has been isolating?


He presents as being a rather weak character... physically and mentally.

Totally unsuitable to rule our country imho


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[Zizu]

Politicians are just sooooo predictable !

In response to being told that his boss, Starmer was positive again and was self isolating for the 6th time ... Stephen Morgan ( Labour MP) immediately had a go at Boris for being careless then said that Starmer followed the Covid rules rigidly !

6 isolations kinda suggests the opposite, surely ?


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[Beso]

How can a man with so much responsibility be so careless that he has to isolate himself so much.

[joeysteele]

He has only had covid twice.
He's far from the only one.

There's 4 other instances where he's been around some other person who had it, who likely didn't know they had.
So rightly he's had to do the right thing and isolate afterwards too himself.

It's odd he gets criticism for even doing the right thing while excuses are made and brushing aside done for the actual PM who tries to say he doesn't know what goes on on HIS home and workplace.
Or that when it's clear he was blatantly breaking rules which he was dictating to everyone else.

Such is covid, we don't know who has got it, some people who have it, don't even know they've got it.

If you're meeting people most of the time, you are more than likely to end up having to isolate if its found someone you've talked to has got it.

It doesn't mean you have it but you will have to isolate.

I know of a fair number of people now, family and friends and neighbors who have had covid twice.
That is the nature of the virus.

[Zizu]

How can a man with so much responsibility be so careless that he has to isolate himself so much.


It’s probably like everywhere else .. people just get complacent ..


Our headmaster and the SLT team are thy e worst for not wearing masks on corridors and for sharing small offices , windows closed no masks .


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[Zizu]

He has only had covid twice.
He's far from the only one.

There's 4 other instances where he's been around some other person who had it, who likely didn't know they had.
So rightly he's had to do the right thing and isolate afterwards too himself.

It's odd he gets criticism for even doing the right thing while excuses are made and brushing aside done for the actual PM who tries to say he doesn't know what goes on on HIS home and workplace.
Or that when it's clear he was blatantly breaking rules which he was dictating to everyone else.

Such is covid, we don't know who has got it, some people who have it, don't even know they've got it.

If you're meeting people most of the time, you are more than likely to end up having to isolate if its found someone you've talked to has got it.

It doesn't mean you have it but you will have to isolate.

I know of a fair number of people now, family and friends and neighbors who have had covid twice.
That is the nature of the virus.


Only had it twice ??

The only person I know who’s had it twice works as a teacher in a classroom full of virus spreaders .

Plus he’s been too close to a positive case at least 4 times - again that’s rather high I’d suggest -at least for someone who’s presumably so well informed and diligent


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The total number of days he has had to isolate for is 56 days

Number of consecutive days the Luftwaffe bombed London during The BLitz 56 days

[user104658]

The total number of days he has had to isolate for is 56 days

Number of consecutive days the Luftwaffe bombed London during The BLitz 56 days

Don't tell Alf the last thing we need is him finding out about numerology, the silly acronyms are more than enough.

Completely Ordinary Virus Illegitimately Demonised :omgno:

[joeysteele]

Only had it twice ??

The only person I know who’s had it twice works as a teacher in a classroom full of virus spreaders .

Plus he’s been too close to a positive case at least 4 times - again that’s rather high I’d suggest -at least for someone who’s presumably so well informed and diligent


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Is it???

I'm not sure what your point is.

The inference was he was more susceptible to covid having had it so many times.

My term he's only had it twice is in the context of exactly that.
He's had it twice.

The other times he's isolated is from others having it, then him being in contact with them.

He is in contact with lots of people as politicians are trying to get out and about and see more people directly.

This is covid.
I see no reason to criticise for having done the right thing and isolate if you're told you've been in contact with someone who has the virus.

I know of people who've had to isolate several times.
I know those who had covid last year and have it now even after having had all vaccinations.

It can, does and will hit anyone.
If you are a public figure you are more likely to come across others who have it.
If you have, then you have to isolate.
Or should he not in your opinion.
Because I'll be happier to see someone who follows the guidelines.

Covid however has no respect of anyone no matter their status.
If he's isolating too when necessary, he'll still be getting on with other work he needs to do.
He won't be just sitting drinking wine or something.

I'll condemn politicians, even of my own party for many things but never for doing the right thing.

[Beso]

Hes obviously NOT been doing the right thing, hence why he has caught it twice..you would think after the first time he would be more diligent, but it seems NOT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not really a great advert for his leadership credentials..

[joeysteele]

Good lord, in a pandemic.
Someone has their ability questioned because they get ill twice.
What a Nation we are really.

I give up on here I really do.

[bots]

we have no idea what the threshold is for infection from omicron. The social distancing that was effective before may just not be enough anymore.

Keir is married with children I believe. Some people you cannot distance from

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FISQfh8XoA4bJxc?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/14/14/52931699-10403057-image-a-9_1642171508100.jpg


Yes Keir Cheers to your Booze..........
MAY 2021


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403057/Tories-accuse-Keir-Starmer-hypocrite-party-row.ht
Video on above link

[joeysteele]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/14/14/52931699-10403057-image-a-9_1642171508100.jpg


Yes Keir Cheers to your Booze..........
MAY 2021


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403057/Tories-accuse-Keir-Starmer-hypocrite-party-row.ht
Video on above link

You're slipping arista.
It's mentioned on your other thread.

Anyhow, this is wrong too, no excuses.

[arista]

You're slipping arista.
It's mentioned on your other thread.

Anyhow, this is wrong too, no excuses.


Yes it needs to go on both threads
this is his Official thread.

I am hoping for a Front Page
later

[rusticgal]

They are all at it….and so is the world and his wife.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/14/14/52931699-10403057-image-a-9_1642171508100.jpg


Yes Keir Cheers to your Booze..........
MAY 2021


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403057/Tories-accuse-Keir-Starmer-hypocrite-party-row.ht
Video on above link

no wonder he is always positive

[joeysteele]

I've seen that picture before.
It was mentioned ages ago as I recall
So it's not a new story.

Doesn't change of course that it was wrong at the time however.

[smudgie]

Oh dear, seems it was the norm all round.
Maybe everyone thinks it’s a covid free zone in Westminster:shrug:

[joeysteele]

Oh dear, seems it was the norm all round.
Maybe everyone thinks it’s a covid free zone in Westminster:shrug:

It seems possibly that way smudgie.


That pic was however actually reported on last year, I knew I'd heard about it and seen it before, it was taken around the time of the Hartlepool by election up North.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/CE6A/production/_122724825_mail-nc.png

[Zizu]

It seems possibly that way smudgie.


That pic was however actually reported on last year, I knew I'd heard about it and seen it before, it was taken around the time of the Hartlepool by election up North.


So it happened about the time all these other parties were going on ... specifically in the lockdown.

It’s as I suggested.. they’re all as bad as each other


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[UserSince2005]

Scum leader for a scum party for a scum following.

[arista]

Starmer is Live the Fabian Society
talking about his contract with the public.

SkyNewsHD

Taking questions

[Zizu]

Starmer is Live the Fabian Society
talking about his contract with the public.

SkyNewsHD

Taking questions


Presumably they will ask about ‘that’ little party he attended ..


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[arista]

Presumably they will ask about ‘that’ little party he attended ..




No they did not.


It was a Work Event break
Keir swigging Beer.


The Questions specially selected
for his Contract for the NHS.

He loves using Contract.
His new Power word.

[arista]

The Labour Leader is Live on Monday 9AM LBC

Call Keir | 17/01 Watch from 9am

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/call-keir/17-01-pmqs-partygate/

[Zizu]

No they did not.


It was a Work Event break
Keir swigging Beer.


The Questions specially selected
for his Contract for the NHS.

He loves using Contract.
His new Power word.


Sounds like a very suspicious group of people if nobody brought this horrendous thing up ...

Presumably they were ‘special invites’ ..


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[Zizu]

This is all very entertaining stuff .... looks like they may even get Boris out ...

Then we are really in the sh1t with the ever pleasant Rishi Sunak in charge !!


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[arista]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Official_portrait_of_Wes_Streeting_MP_crop_2.jpg/440px-Official_portrait_of_Wes_Streeting_MP_crop_2.jpg


Labours Wes Streeting MP
on SkyNewsHD Trevor Phillips.
Stated he is happy for Johnson to say in his job
For the General Election.



That is Mighty Cocky to assume by then
Keir Starmer will win.

[joeysteele]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Official_portrait_of_Wes_Streeting_MP_crop_2.jpg/440px-Official_portrait_of_Wes_Streeting_MP_crop_2.jpg


Labours Wes Streeting MP
on SkyNewsHD Trevor Phillips.
Stated he is happy for Johnson to say in his job
For the General Election.



That is Mighty Cocky to assume by then
Keir Starmer will win.

I kind of agree with Wes.

Johnson will be plagued during any election campaign by these party scandals.

It will feature strongly.
A new leader that is less likely so.

I agree with Wes, he's someone I strongly support.

[bots]

boris wont be in charge at the election, he is toxic now

[arista]

I kind of agree with Wes.

Johnson will be plagued during any election campaign by these party scandals.

It will feature strongly.
A new leader that is less likely so.

I agree with Wes, he's someone I strongly support.




Yes Fair points

Keir, meanwhile, not answering well
on BBC1HD Sophie.
He Likes Sue Gray



He has no answer
about
if Johnson does not resign?

[arista]

boris wont be in charge at the election, he is toxic now


Yes at this time

But in a few months?

[joeysteele]

Yes Fair points

Keir, meanwhile, not answering well
on BBC1HD Sophie.
He Likes Sue Gray

This is the problem with Keir, he comes across less well in one on one interviews.

I'm not watching her however, I can't bear her style with any politician.

Sue Gray is liked and respected in the main however.
For me, she shouldn't be doing this investigation plus she cannot really apportion any blame.
So events have somewhat overtaken her agenda on this.

Plus her boss is in effect Johnson so this investigation to me is irrelevant mostly.

[arista]

This is the problem with Keir, he comes across less well in one on one interviews.

I'm not watching her however, I can't bear her style with any politician.

Sue Gray is liked and respected in the main however.
For me, she shouldn't be doing this investigation plus she cannot really apportion any blame.
So events have somewhat overtaken her agenda on this.

Plus her boss is in effect Johnson so this investigation to me is irrelevant mostly.


But its the only way to view Keir Live

[joeysteele]

But its the only way to view Keir Live

I don't like her style of interviewing anyone regardless of Party.

I'm sick of presenters being forced to be too confrontational and often through feeding through earpieces too.

I think we've the worst ever set of interviewers and political presenters we've likely ever had.

They actually make politics a bigger turn off than it already is.

[arista]

Well she is a Temp.

So soon another Reporter gets the Job.

[joeysteele]

Well she is a Temp.

So soon another Reporter gets the Job.

I can't wait.:joker:

[Zizu]

I don't like her style of interviewing anyone regardless of Party.

I'm sick of presenters being forced to be too confrontational and often through feeding through earpieces too.

I think we've the worst ever set of interviewers and political presenters we've likely ever had.

They actually make politics a bigger turn off than it already is.


Yes I completely agree about the dreadful political interviewers .. especially Sky’s Beth and that other annoying bloke


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[rusticgal]

Yes Fair points

Keir, meanwhile, not answering well
on BBC1HD Sophie.
He Likes Sue Gray



He has no answer
about
if Johnson does not resign?


I watched Keir yesterday dismally trying to answer questions...stumbling over his words...talking like he was talking to someone down the pub with tittle tattle gossip with a childlike smirk on his face....this man is NOT a leader...just a huge embarassment.

[Zizu]

I watched Keir yesterday dismally trying to answer questions...stumbling over his words...talking like he was talking to someone down the pub with tittle tattle gossip with a childlike smirk on his face....this man is NOT a leader...just a huge embarassment.


Totally agree ...



All those wanting Boris out ..be careful what you wish for !!

Imagine Starmer or Ashworth in charge

A little part of me wants this guy to be the next leader and PM just to bring him down a peg or two
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[rusticgal]

Totally agree ...



All those wanting Boris out ..be careful what you wish for !!

Imagine Starmer or Ashworth in charge

A little part of me wants this guy to be the next leader and PM just to bring him down a peg or two
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Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

[Zizu]

Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.


That’s my stance as well ..

That said I just see something ‘nice’ in Boris so I’m biased .

I would say that I have no political leanings either way .. they are all scumbags apart from Boris :)


I just think that Boris’s main flaw may just be that he’s too trusting and those under him just keep letting him down

Oh and Chris Whitney is also a nice guy albeit not a politician .

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[bots]

People seem to be under the impression that Boris is some great leader behind the scenes. He is anything but. He is the laziest PM we have ever had. He doesnt do anything, government does

[Zizu]

People seem to be under the impression that Boris is some great leader behind the scenes. He is anything but. He is the laziest PM we have ever had. He doesnt do anything, government does


Surely that’s just life ..

We don’t really know what ANY of the real top people are doing or have done ..

Those at the top observe .. the lower you move down the scale the harder the work , poorer conditions and the hours get ever longer ..


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[rusticgal]

People seem to be under the impression that Boris is some great leader behind the scenes. He is anything but. He is the laziest PM we have ever had. He doesnt do anything, government does


Hmmm…how is he lazy? He has a team around him but as leader he ultimately makes the decisions and it’s his head that is always on the chopping board if it all goes tits up…

[bots]

Hmmm…how is he lazy? He has a team around him but as leader he ultimately makes the decisions and it’s his head that is always on the chopping board if it all goes tits up…

in british government it is the cabinet that make decisions, not the PM ... another misconception, its not like being a US president

[joeysteele]

Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

[rusticgal]

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.


He was never going to sail through without making mistakes. Thousands of people have broken the rules with COVID…only 2 days ago I stood behind someone at the supermarket who told the cashier she had just tested positive that morning and wouldn’t be able to see her husband who had just been admitted to a hospice. When questioned why she was in the Supermarket her answer was “I had no one else to get my shopping”. Most people are not stupid enough to admit it…but will have done the very same thing. Thousands will have had parties and gatherings when they shouldn’t have….this is the reason it’s spread and millions have died.
Boris was wrong to have had the parties…but my opinion is that overall I think he has done a good job.

[Zizu]

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.


We are a vastly overcrowded , tiny little island with an ageing population .. it’s not rocket science tbh


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[Zizu]

He was never going to sail through without making mistakes. Thousands of people have broken the rules with COVID…only 2 days ago I stood behind someone at the supermarket who told the cashier she had just tested positive that morning and wouldn’t be able to see her husband who had just been admitted to a hospice. When questioned why she was in the Supermarket her answer was “I had no one else to get my shopping”. Most people are not stupid enough to admit it…but will have done the very same thing. Thousands will have had parties and gatherings when they shouldn’t have….this is the reason it’s spread and millions have died.
Boris was wrong to have had the parties…but my opinion is that overall I think he has done a good job.


Agreed !

Anyone would think that Boris was personally organising all these parties and writing the invitations himself ffs


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Beer Starmer broke the rules

[rusticgal]

in british government it is the cabinet that make decisions, not the PM ... another misconception, its not like being a US president

Ok...but how is he lazy?

[joeysteele]

We are a vastly overcrowded , tiny little island with an ageing population .. it’s not rocket science tbh


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With more vulnerable people who should have been given by their governing power the fullest and securest protection.

Not starved of PPE in care homes.
Not having untested patients sent out of hospitals to free up beds.
Taking covid back to care homes.

Staff in hospitals and care homes exposed to the virus by the government not preparing enough with protection equipment for both staff and patients and residents

Despite seeing what was happening in Italy and other areas of Europe 2 months before the government started to do anything.

Keep making excuses for him.
His official figures say just under 151,000 have lost their lives in the UK.
The ONS with one figure of theirs the government doesn't like using says it's more like 175,000+ who lost their lives.

Deceit and lies, procrastination and conflicting advice is the legacy of this government and PM on the pandemic.

The only thing done really well is the vaccine roll.out.
Yet there's still around 700 people losing their lives weekly.

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

Doesn't read like a success story to me nor to those hundreds of thousands with personal evidence which they long to present to the public independent inquiry as to their lost loved ones.

The vaccine yes, in the main a good decision by the government to hand the responsibility of issuing that to local authorities and the NHS.
That's really the only thing and doesn't bring back the at least 20,000+ lives of loved ones lost which could and SHOULD have been avoided.

Plus NONE of the above has anything to do with the ever growing list of partying scandals.

[Zizu]

With more vulnerable people who should have been given by their governing power the fullest and securest protection.

Not starved of PPE in care homes.
Not having untested patients sent out of hospitals to free up beds.
Taking covid back to care homes.

Staff in hospitals and care homes exposed to the virus by the government not preparing enough with protection equipment for both staff and patients and residents

Despite seeing what was happening in Italy and other areas of Europe 2 months before the government started to do anything.

Keep making excuses for him.
His official figures say just under 151,000 have lost their lives in the UK.
The ONS with one figure of theirs the government doesn't like using says it's more like 175,000+ who lost their lives.

Deceit and lies, procrastination and conflicting advice is the legacy of this government and PM on the pandemic.

The only thing done really well is the vaccine roll.out.
Yet there's still around 700 people losing their lives weekly.

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

Doesn't read like a success story to me nor to those hundreds of thousands with personal evidence which they long to present to the public independent inquiry as to their lost loved ones.

The vaccine yes, in the main a good decision by the government to hand the responsibility of issuing that to local authorities and the NHS.
That's really the only thing and doesn't bring back the at least 20,000+ lives of loved ones lost which could and SHOULD have been avoided.


We are just going around in circles .. we have no idea at all how Labour would have managed although looking at their cabinet of MPs and also going back through history - I wouldn’t be too optimistic at all .


It’s only a few days ago that a top guy was citing the UK as leading the way out if this dreadful situation and praising the way we’ve handled things sooooooo


I actually posted his comments in one of these threads but it’s not at hand sadly .

Maybe someone else can find it ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

"Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit."

sorry what

you are stating all Conservative MPS and voters are saying this?

do you have any evidence to support this?

[Zizu]

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

.


I have never heard one single person .. anywhere .. say that


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[glib]

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

Boris did not kill your 4 ‘loved ones’…

In fact he has prevented more deaths with his quick introduction of the vaccine

Looking at the deaths per million is a truer representation of how well a country has coped than simply looking at how many deaths a country has had…

The UK ranks 31st, far below the US, Italy, and Brazil.
Meanwhile on the rankings we’re rubbing shoulders with the likes of France and Spain.. countries with a *cough* similar population.. 🤷*♂️

Zizu makes a great point btw…

[arista]

Sir Beer Starmer broke the rules



He claims
he was working
Take away food arrived
and he had a beer with it.


In a way is shows during work some can drink.

On BBC1HD he was Live
but failed to say what he can do
if Johnson stays?

It is just Johnson Must Resign


The report by the Lady Starmer respects
is taking time.


This is Crazy wasting time on all this.
In my view.