Sir Keir Starmer & his Labour Party

[arista]

Starmer doesn't have any control of his party, thats obvious. He doesn't have a clue about labour policy and his mp's just do as they please


So stupid of him to say it.


No Wonder the Left Winger 10AM show
made it an item.

He said Labour think if they stand
with strikers,
Labour could then lose the General Election


Starmer appears to be New Labour Style

[arista]

It’s very hard for a party to follow the line when the leader has no idea what he stands for himself, the mans a shambles, he conned his way into the leadership position and now he just goes a little off centre whichever way the Tories point


But he wants to be Prime Minister


I would prefer a clear line
so I know they are a real Labour MP etc


I hated New Labour
it was like New Tory

[bots]

The problem, is that everything he supposedly stands for now, is diametrically opposed to what he supposedly stood for when running in the leadership election.

It's not that he doesn't have control over them, it's that no one knows what the party is supposed to stand for any more. If he wants to be a tory-lite party, voters will vote for the real thing 100% of the time.

they are fixated on a manifesto, which in the labour party is arrived at by loads of working groups, all with different agendas coming together and arguing it out. When they are not in an election year, they should be able to provide a few headline policies that give everyone a clue what labour stand for, but I don't think Starmer has the power to create such a policy document without it going through 100 different focus groups. That's where I think labours problems *manifest*

[arista]

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[arista]

I do hope you are Happy
Starmer


It would be good of you to go on each news channel
in the morning,
Setting the Record straight

Keir Starmer supports workers
but not stand on a Picket line
because it is against Starmer's Labour Rules

[arista]

Lucy Powell MP
was sent out to Justify the Starmer mess.

Burley on SkyNewsHD
asked should the 4 Cabinet MP's among all the others be sacked ?,

Typical Lucy
said that's up to Keir?


Starmer Say Something on your Rules

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/21/22/59363965-0-image-m-9_1655848524290.jpg
[Revealed: The 'Spanish practices' 25 Labour MPs
took to picket lines to defend - including 'sending
NINE men to change a plug socket' and
giving drivers 12 minutes' pay for one-minute
walk - as Boris vows to 'stay the course' against unions

Keir Starmer was accused of going into
'hiding' after he refused to comment on
the industrial dispute
Boris Johnson said that the strike was
'wrong and unnecessary' and called for a
return to negotiations
Strike by 40,000 rail workers caused travel
chaos, with fewer than 20 per cent of services
thought to have run
RMT is battling to preserve working
practices said to include sending full
teams for menial task]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10939525/As-millions-Britons-suffer-rail-strike-25-Left-wing-MPs-defy-party-joining-picket-lines.html

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm no starmer fan, but I do love tories blaming labour for 12 years of tory destruction.


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[arista]

Today on the Early Politics
Live BBC2HD because of the tennis.


Stephen Kinnock Labour MP
said it OK to stand with Strikers

Yesterday Cabinet Member David Lammy MP (On SkyNewsHD & BBC1HD)
said Cabinet MP's should not stand with strikers

5 Labour Cabinet MP's did.
Against Starmers wishes.


Starmer needs to sort this out
can they stand with the next Strikers at Post Office and BT?

[The Slim Reaper]

Today on the Early Politics
Live BBC2HD because of the tennis.


Stephen Kinnock Labour MP
said it OK to stand with Strikers

Yesterday Cabinet Member David Lammy MP (On SkyNewsHD & BBC1HD)
said Cabinet MP's should not stand with strikers

5 Labour Cabinet MP's did.
Against Starmers wishes.


Starmer needs to sort this out
can they stand with the next Strikers at Post Office and BT?

Starmer needs to sort himself out, not others. If he can't stand with workers when the public does on this issue, then what is he leading the party for, other than weirdo centrists to w@nk themselves silly over.

[arista]

"then what is he leading the party for"



Starmer is Anti Corbyn.
His cabinet must not, stand with any strikers


He thinks it will stop him getting elected as prime minister

[bots]

Starmer doesn't control his mp's and he never will. There have always been labour mp's that do whatever they want, nothing is different from previous decades

[The Slim Reaper]

I think MP's should always fight for the people they are elected to represent, just because the tories got rid of anyone who didn't have loyalty to dear leader in 2019, doesn't mean that's the right way, and I'd go further and say it's the opposite. Tax payers pay salaries, not the leaders of the parties.

[Parmy]

Its hilarious that only about 18 percent of the people picketing and marching against the Tories support starmer. Hes done a biden and become less popular than the man hes replaced...both are absolutely amazing achievements.

Well done guys.

[Liam-]

Starmer trying to gain the red wall, working class support back, by demanding labour mps don’t stand by working class people is one hell of an arc, those mps standing by the strikers and actually attending the pickets are doing what the Labour Party is meant to do, Starmer is the one taking it in the wrong direction

[arista]

Starmer trying to gain the red wall, working class support back, by demanding labour mps don’t stand by working class people is one hell of an arc, those mps standing by the strikers and actually attending the pickets are doing what the Labour Party is meant to do, Starmer is the one taking it in the wrong direction


Yes
but he says they will not get Elected
if Labour Cabinet MPs stand with Strikers

I assume
he is like 2015 Ed Milliband
who took over New Labour
and then deleted the "New"
and lost the general election
wth his massive Tombstone gimmick.

[arista]

I love Number 4.


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[arista]

Tony Blair has given
an interview to Newsnight BBC2HD.


He has said Labour will not win the next General Election
if they back load's of Public Sector Strikes.

He supports, Keir Starmer not standing with the Unions.

He also spoke of how in 2005
the LibDems had 22%
it helped him keep the Conservatives out.

[The Slim Reaper]

Tony Blair has a property portfolio of over £50m. Of course he thinks working people can afford to keep taking hit after hit.

[arista]

He got away with it.


No Durham Fine for Starmer

https://twitter.com/adamboultonTABB/status/1545370641288806401

[arista]

https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1545370632094982145

[Zizu]

He got away with it.


No Durham Fine for Starmer


Swines !!!

I was hoping he’d be offering his resignation hours after he was spotted skipping around excitedly

:)


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[joeysteele]

He got away with it.


No Durham Fine for Starmer

Nothing to get away with.
I have campaigned in 3 general elections.

Any ops sheets are meaningless.
You can be out all dayi in teams.

You often snack during the day while campaigning and leafleting, you stop in the evening then report to the others, work out what has been that day, what is unfinished and needs to be done the next day.
Plus what workers and volunteers are available.

Then yes, you then send out at times for takeaways plus you may reward YOURSELF with even a drink.

This was April to May 2021, when Johnson permitted electioneering and campaigning for Council and by elections.
Which Johnson wanted the by election to be held as they knew they were going to win it.

NO elections were allowed at all in 2020 due to covid.
The government allowed council elections, by elections, mayoral elections and police and crime commisioner elections to now go ahead in these 2 months in 2021.

You do have to eat and drink and you do HAVE to campaign.

There's no fines because there was NOTHING to really investigate in the first place.

[Liam-]

Investigated twice, cleared twice, that should shut the Tories up now, it won’t, but it should

[bots]

the moment starmer said he would resign if he was found to be breaking the law, this result was guaranteed

[Zizu]

Investigated twice, cleared twice, that should shut the Tories up now, it won’t, but it should


The media will keep looking ...

Once Boris has gone the new PM and Starmer will both be in season


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[joeysteele]

the moment starmer said he would resign if he was found to be breaking the law, this result was guaranteed

Nothing was guaranteed at all.

Starmer revealed he would resign if fined, because all through the last month's, he, Raynor and ALL connected to Labour would have been hounded day after day after day as to that very question.
Would he and shouldn't he resign.

It was a far contrast from the odious political deceiver and liar who did get justifiably fined.

[arista]

Starmer Live SkyNewsHD, BBCnewsHD, GBNewsHD

He wants a General Election.



Taking Press Questions.

[arista]

Hi Joey
long time

[arista]

He is demanding
Johnson PM must leave
Downing St.

He thinks many Conservatives
we also vote No Confidence.


Still no date when he will do it.

House of Commons recess:

They break for Holiday Thurs. 21 July 2022 - Mon. 5 Sept 2022

Far too long. two and a half months

No Mirror, Express got there in time
to ask him a question


He has Concluded

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-80d13e61-2da5-4e1e-9fa5-2660038c0043.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[joeysteele]

Oh dear me.
The Daily Mail just gets more ridiculous by the minute.

Red wall VOTERS in Wakefield helped in part to create the long overdue fall of Johnson.

As they did in the Council elections too.

These so called traitors by this rag were far from so.
They month after month publicly tried to cover for Johnson in his ever growing list of deceit and lies.

I really do fail to.understand why people spend hundreds of pounds yearly on ANY papers.
Who DON'T publish real truth now.
It's all.just their own biased and usually their own warped agendas.

[arista]

One Lady I know
buys the Saturday Daily Mail
because it has a Large Big TV guide

So the Politics she does not care about
but getting an Easy Read Good TV guide
matters to her

[joeysteele]

One Lady I know
buys the Saturday Daily Mail
because it has a Large Big TV guide

So the Politics she does not care about
but getting an Easy Read Good TV guide
matters to her


You can buy TV programming publications for far less than the cost of the papers on Saturdays.

[arista]

You can buy TV programming publications for far less than the cost of the papers on Saturdays.


Yes but
this is a Big Size



16" paper in color.


All other mags are smaller

[joeysteele]

Yes but
this is a Big Size



16" paper in color.


All other mags are smaller


Fair enough, it still feeds the biased and often lies of these papers however by buying them.
Thereby enabling their prejudiced and misleading presentations, rather than supporting real factual news reporting.

[Zizu]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-80d13e61-2da5-4e1e-9fa5-2660038c0043.jpg?bypass-service-worker&




I saw a small group of angry people on Sky News last saying they will organise marches to London to protest .

They are saying that 13 million voted for Boris so it’s not fair that a few Tory remainers should oust him from power


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[MTVN]

The Mail the only paper capturing the mood of the country outside of Westminster atm

[joeysteele]

The Mail the only paper capturing the mood of the country outside of Westminster atm

All powers that be really do need to help us if the Mail is representative of the Country.

[joeysteele]

Plus also.
In Wakefield.
While a good win for Labour, it's not as it may seem.

In Wakefield far from the Mail view.
The voters there most of the views I got from there were voters were going out NOT to vote in the main FOR Labour but were sick of Johnson's deceit and his government covering it up.

It was in effect to a big part, voters now against Johnson and his government not out of any much now found love towards Labour.
Particularly as to Starmer too who still has a great deal of convincing to do, even IF he can.

[arista]

Yes a win in Wakefield
is still to really decide if Starmer is good enough,

Starmer right now Demanding a General Election
in his rushed Press Conference yesterday
he shouted out Newspapers names
but they did not get to that rushed conference
then he ran off FAST.


On Ch4HDnews last night
I viewed the empty chairs


Who is his Media Communications Manager?

[joeysteele]

Yes a win in Wakefield
is still to really decide if Starmer is good enough,

Starmer right now Demanding a General Election
in his rushed Press Conference yesterday
he shouted out Newspapers names
but they did not get to that rushed conference
then he ran off FAST.


On Ch4HDnews last night
I viewed the empty chairs


Who is his Media Communications Manager?

He has to make these noises.

He knows there will be no general election imminently.

It really does matter who the Cons elect.
A current or very recently gone Cabinet Minister could be tarnished by their public covering up of Johnson and his deceit.
It may well be if they elect a Cabinet Minister, the strong now distrust of the voters will not be abated.

Starmer is certainly at least on course to remove the Cons overall majority with gains for Labour.
However the Cons do have to fear the stronger Lib Dems in the South too.
That's not an easy task at present to address for any new Con leader.

[arista]

He has to make these noises.

He knows there will be no general election imminently.

It really does matter who the Cons elect.
A current or very recently gone Cabinet Minister could be tarnished by their public covering up of Johnson and his deceit.
It may well be if they elect a Cabinet Minister, the strong now distrust of the voters will not be abated.

Starmer is certainly at least on course to remove the Cons overall majority with gains for Labour.
However the Cons do have to fear the stronger Lib Dems in the South too.
That's not an easy task at present to address for any new Con leader.


Well
Rich Rishi Vs Legal King Starmer

Could happen

[bots]

i don't think anyone can call how it's going to pan out over the next couple of years, but it certainly wont be favouring the tories. With war on our doorstep and a crazy cost of living situation, it has to favour the opposition parties. It's basically theirs to lose

[Zizu]

Well
Rich Rishi Vs Legal King Starmer

Could happen


I think we should skate over Starmer’s previous job ..


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[joeysteele]

i don't think anyone can call how it's going to pan out over the next couple of years, but it certainly wont be favouring the tories. With war on our doorstep and a crazy cost of living situation, it has to favour the opposition parties. It's basically theirs to lose


I agree with all that bots.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD Live


In Liverpool
it is Starmer is Live

"Growth"

[Zizu]

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD Live


In Liverpool
it is Starmer is Live

"Growth"


That’s a good description of Starmer .. a growth !

Definition - an abnormal formation

:)


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[arista]

He will scrap
Business Rates



He is sounding like the Conservative Leaders

[arista]

He is now taking questions

BBCnewsHD
GBnewsHD

[The Slim Reaper]

Liverpool doesn't entertain liars or Tories. Starmer is both.

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[bots]

liverpool has always had more than it's fair share of militant left wingers

[The Slim Reaper]

She didn't tell one lie though, bots. Unlike Starmer, who can't stop.

[Zizu]

liverpool has always had more than it's fair share of militant left wingers


Bully boy Derek Hatton ?


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[arista]

tTfPl2mBD0Q



Of Course Very Easy of the Labour Party
to do a remix edit.

Does not need silly music.

[bots]

the leadership election has been an embarrassment from start to finish

[arista]

the leadership election has been an embarrassment from start to finish

That Video
Highlighted how weak the BBC presenter Sophie Raworth
was.




Sure
the first 30mins of Talk TV HD
was better

But sadly Kate McCann presenter fainted
halting the whole debate

[The Slim Reaper]

That Video
Highlighted how weak the BBC presenter Sophie Raworth
was.




Sure
the first 30mins of Talk TV HD
was better

But sadly Kate McCann presenter fainted
halting the whole debate

Can't blame the presenters constantly, because the candidates are sh1t.

[arista]

Can't blame the presenters constantly, because the candidates are sh1t.


Bollocks


Soft Sophie
let Rishi interrupt



She is bog standard news reader
not up to this task
The BBC are blind, on this.

[bots]

Bollocks


Soft Sophie
let Rishi interrupt



She is bog standard news reader
not up to this task
The BBC are blind

if Sunak was half way polite and respected other peoples right to reply it wouldn't have been an issue. Sophie wasn't the problem, Sunak was

[Liam-]

Bollocks


Soft Sophie
let Rishi interrupt



She is bog standard news reader
not up to this task
The BBC are blind, on this.

Your unwillingness to hold Tories accountable for their own behaviour is weird

[arista]

Your unwillingness to hold Tories accountable for their own behaviour is weird


Of course, they are accountable.


But that BBC Debate Failed
making it easy for Labour to Remix adding
fun fair music.

And Sadly Talk TV HD
More Clever Presenter Fainted
So we only got 31mins

[The Slim Reaper]

Of course, they are accountable.


But that BBC Debate Failed
making it easy for Labour to Remix adding
fun fair music.

And Sadly Talk TV HD
More Clever Presenter Fainted
So we only got 31mins

Imagine using their own descriptions of what a clusterfcuk they've been. Maybe you need to wake up to the fact of the damage these last 12 years have done. Will take decades to dig us out of it.

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[arista]

"the damage"

Also under New Labour.

It was not 12 years
as the first 5 were, Conservative/Lib Dem Power

So it is 7 years of just Conservatives

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYpqND2XwAA6gF4?format=jpg&name=900x900

Shadow Transport Minister Sam Tarry MP

Ignoring Starmer Rules
on the Euston Rail Strike Picket
Live Early AM
GMBHD itv



Alot of calls to Sack Him
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/27/keir-starmer-pressure-sack-labour-shadow-transport-minister/


Sign Of The Times.

[Liam-]

If he gets sacked for doing the exact thing the Labour Party should be doing, then it’s actually the end of the party

[arista]

If he gets sacked for doing the exact thing the Labour Party should be doing, then it’s actually the end of the party


He is a good MP
I hope he can stay in his job.

[arista]

New Report
the Whips are going to have a word with Sam.


https://labourlist.org/2022/07/whips-will-be-looking-at-this-dodds-says-as-shadow-minister-joins-picket-line/

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYq5o8dWYAoYgkN?format=jpg&name=small


He is an independent MP
now.

So no problem for him.

[arista]

Sad News



Labour have removed
Sam Terry MP from the Front Bench
Sacked by Starmer



Live SkyNewsHD
and Ch5HDnews

[Liam-]

Starmer is a traitor to the Labour ideals and morals, shocking behaviour, he needs to be replaced

[arista]

Starmer is a traitor to the Labour ideals and morals, shocking behaviour, he needs to be replaced


I just made a thread on it.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYu_bqlXoAAusYt?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYxufcHWQAAgc8q?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

The TUC has done a Video,
a French Lady saying they only pay 4% for EDF.
As they have Nationalised

And a British bloke paying over 54% for bills



I do not understand why Starmer is not
saying he will Nationalise the Energy Companies?

It could get him into power.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

The TUC has done a Video,
a French Lady saying they only pay 4% for EDF.
As they have Nationalised

And a British bloke paying over 54% for bills



I do not understand why Starmer is not
saying he will Nationalise the Energy Companies?

It could get him into power.


You along with the majority of Labour members and voters don't understand that either arista.
Even many lost Labour voters.

Even in 2019 despite that election defeat.
The Nationalisation policy was the MOST popular.

Starmer says he's pragmatic on Nationalisation.
Sorry but he needs a good shaking to WAKE him up !!!

[arista]

But this is an Emergency


It has all changed fast.

Starmer could win power
by going like France

[The Slim Reaper]

You along with the majority of Labour members and voters don't understand that either arista.
Even many lost Labour voters.

Even in 2019 despite that election defeat.
The Nationalisation policy was the MOST popular.

Starmer says he's pragmatic on Nationalisation.
Sorry but he needs a good shaking to WAKE him up !!!

The right wing press haven't been nearly as critical of Starmer, so I would almost guarantee they've made a deal to ease off him as long as he doesn't do anything that will hurt their pockets. There's a reason he did an interview in the sun after saying he never would.

The press know that labour are due to win, especially after the absolute destruction of the last 12 years, so if they can direct his policy they'll take it for an election or two.

[joeysteele]

The right wing press haven't been nearly as critical of Starmer, so I would almost guarantee they've made a deal to ease off him as long as he doesn't do anything that will hurt their pockets. There's a reason he did an interview in the sun after saying he never would.

The press know that labour are due to win, especially after the absolute destruction of the last 12 years, so if they can direct his policy they'll take it for an election or two.

I think you're spot on Slim.

[arista]

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[bots]

he has opened the door to a nightmare. Now if the unions cut their funding they are ****ed, but if he gives in and takes the money, the tories will say he is in the pockets of the unions, he can't win :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

he has opened the door to a nightmare. Now if the unions cut their funding they are ****ed, but if he gives in and takes the money, the tories will say he is in the pockets of the unions, he can't win :laugh:

The last guy took over a broke party, and left Keir £13m and 200k new memberships. Lord Starmer has destroyed both already.

[joeysteele]

he has opened the door to a nightmare. Now if the unions cut their funding they are ****ed, but if he gives in and takes the money, the tories will say he is in the pockets of the unions, he can't win :laugh:

Well not really as to your latter point.
Since the funding is already being payed to Labour now anyhow.
Which just about everyone knows.
So for it to continue will be the status quo really.

If he recognises these justified strikes, for me and millions of others he'd be doing the right thing for once.
Not everyone thankfully sees the Unions as only being bad guys.

I'd like to see the likes of who fully bankroll the Con Party.

[The Slim Reaper]

Well not really as to your latter point.
Since the funding is already being payed to Labour now anyhow.
Which just about everyone knows.
So for it to continue will be the status quo really.

If he recognises these justified strikes, for me and millions of others he'd be doing the right thing for once.
Not everyone thankfully sees the Unions as only being bad guys.

I'd like to see the likes of who fully bankroll the Con Party.

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/133D0/production/_96000887_057691a7-3adb-4be6-8b14-dfb1721e1d76.jpg

Hallo. My name is Dave Smith, I am great English Patriot. I give money to conservativski party for great success of nation.

[bots]

we know the tory party only take money from donors anxious to improve the UK with no expectation of a kick back :nono:

[arista]

[Lisa Nandy visits picket line despite
Keir Starmer's instruction that frontbenchers
should not attend strikes

Sir Keir Starmer sacked shadow
transport minister Sam Tarry after he gave
broadcast interviews from a picket line last
week and made up policy "on the hoof".]



https://news.sky.com/story/lisa-nandy-visits-picket-line-despite-keir-starmers-instruction-that-frontbenchers-should-not-attend-strikes-12663635

[Zizu]

Let’s see if he stands by his words


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[arista]

Let’s see if he stands by his words




No he will let Lisa off

[The Slim Reaper]

Let’s see if he stands by his words


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After your love affair with the big dog, I have no idea why you would ever get miffed when anyone else might break their word.

[joeysteele]

Starmer stated he DIDN'T sack Sam Tarry for attending a picket line.
He stated he sacked him for giving media interviews.

He SHOULDN'T have sacked him anyhow in my view.

However Lisa hasn't given an unofficial media interview.
So even on his own fudged and ridiculous statement on Tarry, Starmer has no reason to sack Lisa.
Unless he has a death wish for the next election.

[Zizu]

After your love affair with the big dog, I have no idea why you would ever get miffed when anyone else might break their word.


What goes round comes round ..


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[Zizu]

Starmer stated he DIDN'T sack Sam Tarry for attending a picket line.
He stated he sacked him for giving media interviews.

He SHOULDN'T have sacked him anyhow in my view.

However Lisa hasn't given an unofficial media interview.
So even on his own fudged and ridiculous statement on Tarry, Starmer has no reason to sack Lisa.
Unless he has a death wish for the next election.


Surely it just shows even more weakness if he lays down guidelines and high ranking mps simply ignore them ?


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[joeysteele]

Surely it just shows even more weakness if he lays down guidelines and high ranking mps simply ignore them ?


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Not really.

His main weaknesses for me is that he doesn't clearly state policies.
Along with not keeping the popular policies he should.

[The Slim Reaper]

The man who removed the whip from the most honourable man in politics.

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[bots]

they were minor breaches though apparently, so, as it's not Boris, those don't count :smug:

[joeysteele]

Oh dear.
Mr squeaky clean not so much so re finance.

Not a good look at all this.

[Zizu]

This has to be a resignation surely ?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220805/67876685de5907b7aee4e4ee90e8eb10.jpg


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[arista]

Starmer in Scotland.
BBCnewsHD
SkyNewsHD

Speaking
Holiday ending early

Calling the PM a lame duck?


He is doing a Big Speech on Monday

[arista]

He will Abolish Pre Payment
Extra Charges


He says Water Companies are not doing enough.

[rusticgal]

People who live in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones....:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

People who live in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones....:laugh:

I love Boris Johnson...I love his optimism and positivity..:cheer2:

:skull:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ94XRNXgAAktwh?format=jpg&name=360x360

Today at 4:30PM
Online Not Live
Recorded yesterday.

[arista]

A clip of Starmer
with Ian Dale at the Fringe
was just played on LBC live

[bots]

Labour is to call for the energy price cap to be frozen this autumn, part of a plan to deal with the cost of living.

Sir Keir Starmer is expected to make the call on Monday, in which he will explain how Labour would pay for the plan if it was in power.

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It's good to know that labour are taking my suggestions on board :smug:

[arista]

Yes,
I posted the Observer Front Page on the Energy Thread


BBC Text:
[Starmer is to call for a ban on the rise in the
energy price cap set to be introduced this autumn.
The paper says the rise would be
"crippling" if it goes ahead and that
a ban would save the average household
£2,000 a year on their gas and energy bills.]

[joeysteele]

If there's a way to do that.
It makes great sense to do so.

Let's hope he explains it in detail.
It sounds a good plan, if it can be implemented.

[arista]

If there's a way to do that.
It makes great sense to do so.

Let's hope he explains it in detail.
It sounds a good plan, if it can be implemented.


60mins of him?

When he goes Live tomorrow
Let's hope SkyNewsHD shows it all.

[arista]

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Yes 1989
nothing like 2022

[arista]

Starmer has gone live on all the morning news,
BBC Central London even lent Starmer the Roof
to go live on GMBHD itv.

I mean downstairs on the Outside street
he may get abuse shouted at him.

He is very Cocky
but his fully costed plan
is not in power.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

To be fair the Lib Dems have called for this too.

However with the main opposition Party on the same page now that should add more clout to it.
Putting pressure on whichever of the 2 dismal candidates end up being Con leader and sadly PM.

Labour and Lib Dems can come up with the goods when they stop the backbiting and work together.

Way back in 2010, Andy Burnham then health secretary worked with other Parties and with Lib Dem Norman Lamb was coming up with a good plan on social care with the NHS.

That was wiped away by the Cons in the coalition.

Labour and the Lib Dems can be a strong electoral force as was shown in 2005.

This seems a good plan indeed on energy and hopefully pressure will build heavily on this shambolic government to stop being so arrogantly incompetent and actually listen to others and voters too.

[arista]

Yes in the Full Interview
they told him that

[To be fair the Lib Dems have called for this too.]

But Starmer will not Acknowledge
them

[joeysteele]

Yes in the Full Interview
they told him that

[To be fair the Lib Dems have called for this too.]

But Starmer will not Acknowledge
them

Not publicly he won't no nor vice versa.

However both the Lib Dems know to have clout on issues, they need the main opposition to be in some agreement with them.
Plus Lib Dems supporting such issues reinforces the argument put forward by Labour.

The stronger the opposition Parties are on issues, the weaker and more out of touch that can make the government look.

[arista]

Starmer now in Devon,
Exeter


Is peaching his new Energy plan
of course
he has no power.

SkyNewsHD

[arista]

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[arista]

Ch4HDnews
Had Paul Johnson talking about Starmers plan
he says it helps everyone!


Starmer also has given the interview
he has the pragmatic pledges


He is ready for a General Election

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaN1G3MWAAE1QVm?format=jpg&name=small

Starmer , Yesterday


Gareth Derrick Labour MP,
[I invited Keir Starmer to Plymouth to commemorate
VJ Day and meet with veterans from our city.
He heard from families affected by the Pacific war,
from Falklands veterans and a younger generation
with their own stories to tell.
Keir’s focus on their concerns was
much appreciated.]

[bots]

is she trying to sell him life insurance?

[arista]

Back in 2019


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[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[The Labour Party's money troubles are
getting worse according to the i.
The newspaper says things are so bad that
Sir Keir Starmer has told his Shadow Cabinet
to stop fundraising for their own offices.]


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[arista]

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[arista]

ANDREW NEIL: If Starmer thinks he'll win power by
waiting for the new PM to fail,
he'll just be another Labour loser


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-11174681/ANDREW-NEIL-Starmer-lose-waits-new-PM-fail.html

[joeysteele]

ANDREW NEIL: If Starmer thinks he'll win power by
waiting for the new PM to fail,
he'll just be another Labour loser


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-11174681/ANDREW-NEIL-Starmer-lose-waits-new-PM-fail.html


Except that's not what Starmer thinks at all.

The problem now which could be much moreso for the Cons.now with gross Truss as leader.
Is Truss being so bad she raises more confidence FOR Starmer from more voters.

I have no liking for Starmer but pressure on him for better policies and plans will be ongoing with the climate rising for those better and popular policies.
If he does the right thing and takes those policies on board.
That will only be good for Labour.

Truss going down the harder line she's chosen to in order to win support from only the Con members is only likely to turn off voters even more.
She is more likely to be another disaster I think.

[Gusto Brunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ94XRNXgAAktwh?format=jpg&name=360x360

Today at 4:30PM
Online Not Live
Recorded yesterday.

Kier looks a bit like Norman Wisdom there.:joker:

[bots]

i think we live in such unpredictable times that no-one can predict with any certainty what the country will be like next month let alone in 2 years time :laugh:

What will be will be

[arista]

Kier looks a bit like Norman Wisdom there.:joker:



Yes Good Spotting that.
Black and White photo does make
Starmer
look like Norman.

[The Slim Reaper]

Normal party on normal island.

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[arista]

Yes Slim
he wants to get into power
at the next General Election.

[bots]

the mp's should be seen and not heard, seems perfectly sensible to me

[GoldHeart]

Kier looks a bit like Norman Wisdom there.:joker:

Don't insult Norman Wisdom's memory :nono: .

[The Slim Reaper]

the mp's should be seen and not heard, seems perfectly sensible to me

No room for a republican discussion or opinion?

[bots]

No room for a republican discussion or opinion?

are all the labour party republicans? I don't think so

[The Slim Reaper]

are all the labour party republicans? I don't think so

I don't think so either, but there will be a few, and they aren't allowed to speak?

[bots]

I don't think so either, but there will be a few, and they aren't allowed to speak?

i would imagine that is similar to them not being allowed at the coal face with the unions. Starmer is scared one of them says something insulting

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Something that does concern me is any influence Blair may have or be given.
However it seems voters find that thought more attractive.

[The Slim Reaper]

Something that does concern me is any influence Blair may have or be given.
However it seems voters find that thought more attractive.

After 12 years of tory mass murder, the thought of another mass murderer pulling the strings behind newnew labour isn't as bad as it ought to be.

[bots]

no way Starmer would take advice from Blair

[bots]

some dodgy stuff going on in the labour party. The guy that defied keir to join the strikers and was sacked from the shadow cabinet has now been deselected as an mp. He is the deputy's partner :laugh:

[joeysteele]

some dodgy stuff going on in the labour party. The guy that defied keir to join the strikers and was sacked from the shadow cabinet has now been deselected as an mp. He is the deputy's partner :laugh:

Interesting.

He did defy Starmer and go back again to picket lines.
Which I don't condemn him for at all.

These reselection issues are for the constituencies to decide on.
He lost the vote quite heavily.

It is for the constituency to select the candidate it wants.
Which Ilford South has decided to do and they don't want Sam.

No matter who he may be connected with.
That's their right to do so.

[bots]

it's further complicated by the guy that won being deselected at the last election due to serious misconduct that was later quashed and now he is back :laugh:

[arista]

After 12 years of tory mass murder, the thought of another mass murderer pulling the strings behind newnew labour isn't as bad as it ought to be.


2010 LibDem-Conservative Joint Power May 2010
2015 Conservative Power
2019 Conservative Power
2022 Still Conservative Power


So 5 years of LibDem- Conservative Joint Power

Gives us 7 Years, of Conservative Power,
Slim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

[joeysteele]

2010 LibDem-Conservative Joint Power May 2010
2015 Conservative Power
2019 Conservative Power
2022 Still Conservative Power


So 5 years of LibDem- Conservative Joint Power

Gives us 7 Years, of Conservative Power,
Slim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)


Except the Lib Dems were merely a supportive band of votes for Con hard-line policies.

The Lib Dems threw out all but around a quarter of their policies.
Minor ones which the Cons were happy to include were kept.
They threw out their holy grail of PR.
Getting a useless referendum on AV only.

Whereas the Cons got all of three quarters of their main policies enacted.
The harsher spending cuts.
The heartless new testing of the sick and disabled.
The bedroom tax.
Not just doubling tuition fees but TREBLING them with Lib Dem votes despite Lib Dems wanting the fees ABOLISHED.
Then the biggest and costliest top down re-organisation of the NHS.
Which they both promised wouldn't take place.

Apart from Charles Kennedy who didn't support much of the coalition legislation.
The Lib Dems capitulated to the Cons, just to be ensured of a 5 year term of shared power.
Clegg as Deputy PM.
Plus a few token ministerial positions for Cable, Davey, Swinson etc.

That 5 years was near fully dominated by the Cons extreme, heartless in parts and harder line legislation.
The Lib Dems just there for their votes.

I term this as up to now over 12 years of Con dominated power on the all the main issues.
The coalition was in the end a joke but a very sick one.

[joeysteele]

"Except the Lib Dems were merely a supportive band of votes for Con hard-line policies."


Yes not Elected

Like New Labours Gordon Brown also Never Elected

You keep saying that about Brown.
Which you're not accurate in doing so.

There was an agreement between them that Blair would look to hand over to Brown during government.
Brown it seems got irritated that Blair went on to fight the 3rd election.

Then the rumblings emerged from Browns supporters.

When Blair stood down, the party accepted Brown as leader.
In the main the party rallied round his leadership.

Theresa May too was in effect only coronated after Leadsom dropped out in that Con contest.

In 13 years of Labour government only one change of leader came about.

If you think Brown was unelected, that's wrong.
The Labour party in government endorsed his leadership.

By your thinking then Truss should go to the Country in an election now too then.
As she's only been put in place by her party members.
Not even by Con MPs.

Certainly NOT by the electorate either.

You can't have it all ways.
Separate rules for the Con party, then other rules for parties you just don't like

[bots]

the longer the tories remain in power, the more likely they will be completely wiped out at the next election. Truss seems to think her -30 against labour is going to improve, it won't

[joeysteele]

the longer the tories remain in power, the more likely they will be completely wiped out at the next election. Truss seems to think her -30 against labour is going to improve, it won't

I no way believe Labour is even 20 never mind 30 points ahead of the Cons.
Do you really bots.
You have been pretty good on political polling in the past on here.

I think Labour is in double figures as to a lead but more likely 12+

I can see yougov and others coming out in time with leads like that to positively present a 'Truss slashes Labour lead' line.

Her task is a very hard one.
If Labour is around 12% ahead.
Then Truss has to wipe that out altogether and then to get at least 4 or 5% ahead herself to have any chance of remaining the government.

I'm always sceptical of polls.
However if Labour IS anything like up to 20 or more percentage points ahead.
Well, I'll be extremely happy indeed.

[bots]

i honestly think she is 30 points down. We had the summer to see how bad she was, she had gone from one gaff to the next. On top of all that, their performance on the economy is devastatingly bad which is where they normally score points over labour. They are absolutely stuffed

[joeysteele]

i honestly think she is 30 points down. We had the summer to see how bad she was, she had gone from one gaff to the next. On top of all that, their performance on the economy is devastatingly bad which is where they normally score points over labour. They are absolutely stuffed

While being sorry deeply for the people of the UK from all you've said above bots.

I also hope your last 4 words are absolutely right.

[arista]

He is Live in Barnsley


Having a long go
at the Conservative Mess


SkyNewsHD

[hijaxers]

While being sorry deeply for the people of the UK from all you've said above bots.

I also hope your last 4 words are absolutely right.

Reform party it is then ! Labour is a joke.

[joeysteele]

He's improving slowly.
His passion building a bit better too.

This was a strong statement today.
Still detail needed but I feel I can put some confidence in my personal hope that Labour sends this shambles packing.
A shambles from the Cons own making.
Particularly electing this waste of political space Truss.

As a Labour member, I've watched my Party go through internal nightmares politically.
While I could never support the Cons, as to the NHS for their heartlessness to the sick and disabled and their lack of compassion.
For Con supporters I can feel for them.
It's never nice to see your Party in chaos like this.
It's hard to deal with in opposition but to see it happen while in power, really very sad indeed.

[bots]

labour will get in with a massive majority and the SNP will be the official opposition

[Cherie]

There isn’t a cats chance in hell of a conservative win as it currently stands, that said it wasn’t that long ago people were saying they would hold power for the next decade, so as the saying goes a week is a long time in politics

[arista]

New Labour Ads to start Monday

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfJuAoiXkAE5fty?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfJuAfVXkAENe1v?format=jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfJuAXJXwAABZkX?format=jpg&name=900x900


Thanks to a TV Producer
who posted these.

[arista]

[Keir Starmer REFUSES to say whether
comedian Eddie Izzard would qualify
for an all-women shortlist after
Labour MP Rosie Duffield threatens
to quit over row
Keir Starmer refuses to say if Eddie Izzard
will be allowed on all-women shortlist
Comedian is hoping to be chosen as
Labour's candidate in Sheffield Central seat
Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield has
threatened to quit Labour as part of row]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/24/12/63787161-11348315-image-a-28_1666610852898.jpg
Today on LBC.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/24/12/63787159-11348315-image-a-29_1666610855353.jpg
[Izzard this month launched a campaign
to be chosen as Labour's candidate
for Sheffield Central ahead of
the next general election]

[arista]

Did not Take Long:

[The tweet in which she made
the claim was deleted
on Monday after Ms Whittome was contacted
by Labour headquarters and
urged to take it down.


Outrage as Labour MP says Rishi Sunak
as PM ‘isn’t a win for Asian representation’

Nadia Whittome deletes tweet in which she
said ex-chancellor is ‘not on your side’]


[Ms Whittome, whose parents are Indian,
also attacked Mr Sunak and his wife for their
family wealth, which she said was
“twice the estimated wealth of King Charles III”.

"Rishi Sunak as prime minister isn't a win
for Asian representation,"
it read before being removed.]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/22/15/40790478-0-image-a-2_1616427852181.jpg
Nadia Whittome Labour MP

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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[arista]

Angela Raynor
on the right side of Saturdays Mail
she was on "this morning" ITV1HD
Many days ago, now.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/D3CD/production/_127612245_mail-nc.png.webp

[Zizu]

Angela Raynor
on the right side of Saturdays Mail
she was on "this morning" ITV1HD
Many days ago, now.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/D3CD/production/_127612245_mail-nc.png.webp


She’s simply horrendous..

Can’t think of one half decent trait

Does this mean she’ll be getting her baps out along with her legs in parliament

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[bots]

so because she is a labour mp, she is not allowed to have cosmetic surgery? Is it against the law? Should we perhaps insist that no women in parliament wear make up, and perhaps dress up in sacks?. Can't have them distracting the superior males

[Zizu]

so because she is a labour mp, she is not allowed to have cosmetic surgery? Is it against the law? Should we perhaps insist that no women in parliament wear make up, and perhaps dress up in sacks?. Can't have them distracting the superior males


She’s just one of a few people who really irritate me .


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[joeysteele]

so because she is a labour mp, she is not allowed to have cosmetic surgery? Is it against the law? Should we perhaps insist that no women in parliament wear make up, and perhaps dress up in sacks?. Can't have them distracting the superior males

Clearly she shouldn't be allowed to bots.
Then again this is from the real disgrace which is the dirtiest gutter trash Mail.

[Liam-]

The assumption that because she got a boob job she’ll flashing themselves off all over the place is grossly misogynistic

[Zizu]

The assumption that because she got a boob job she’ll flashing themselves off all over the place is grossly misogynistic

It was a light hearted , throw away comment.


She gets her legs out at every given opportunity - just Google her .

Plus you seem to have conveniently forgotten that she was flashing her legs in parliament of all places to distract (and admitted it to numerous people )

There’s even this little anecdote..

“ Ms Rayner told a group of MPs: “I like to do my Sharon Stone trick.”

" I cross and uncross my legs and give him a flash of my ginger g*****r.”

She is said to have made the remark on the Commons terrace several months ago.


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[Oliver_W]

I'm not entirely convinced she's not secretly a Catherine Tate character tbh

[Zizu]

I'm not entirely convinced she's not secretly a Catherine Tate character tbh


She is certainly quirky enough and she is laughable


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

If Starmer REALLY wants to get better trust in politics then not only should he be doing this re the House of Lords.
He should take as policy too the overwhelming support at Conference and passing of same as to PR.

Go all the way Starmer on that and he'll have the extreme heartless section and hard-line section of the Cons messing themselves.

He'd also have the cooperation and support of ALL the other Parties elected to Westminster except for this shower of shameless Cons.
If you're going to reform Parliament than do it all not tinker with one part.

I and other Labour members and voters will be pushing really hard to have PR as policy.
It makes even more sense than the reform of the House of lords .

So come on Starmer just accept the PR policy and do it.

[arista]

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[arista]

Keir Starmer
Now Live at the CBI in Birmingham

On all 3 News Channels mow

[arista]

On BBCnewsHD

Starmer now taking questions


BBC first,

[joeysteele]

On BBCnewsHD

Starmer now taking questions


BBC first,

I know he's an okay kind of guy but honestly he tires me out listening to him.

He's talking sense mostly but his delivery is like a train clunking down the track not charging down the track.
I think however the audience was more impressed.

[arista]

Yes Joey
they did clap loud

Unlike Yesterday with PM Sunak.

[bots]

the CBI want cheap immigrant labour, their agenda is clear. We need to make sure that job roles always get an appropriate good wage for the role and that competition for jobs remains buoyant

[arista]

the CBI want cheap immigrant labour, their agenda is clear. We need to make sure that job roles always get an appropriate good wage for the role and that competition for jobs remains buoyant


Yes Good Point
and Labour Leader Starmer does not
want "cheap" immigration

[arista]

850 in the House Of Lords


Starmer wants them Gone

Could be a vote Winner?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

[Nigel Farage has welcomed Keir Starmer’s comments
on immigration, claiming that Labour is now
“to the right” of the Tories.

The Brexiteer said the Labour leader was
repeating promises from UKIP’s 2015 manifesto
with his migration stance as well as his pledge
to abolish the House of Lords.
Farage posted a video in response to Starmer’s speech
to the CBI conference, in which
he urged UK businesses to wean themselves
off “immigration dependency”,
warning that “low pay and cheap labour” had to end.
Starmer’s comments came a day after Rishi Sunak
also addressed the business group.

Former UKIP leader Farage said:
“So during Jeremy Hunt’s budget and since,
and yesterday at CBI conference,
the Tories have made clear they’re going
to continue with large scale mass
legal immigration.
“And oh boy! Their paymasters in the big political parties,
the big global companies are delighted.
“Today, Keir Starmer says we must stop the reliance
on cheap foreign labour, start training our own people.
“What with that, and saying the House of Lords
must be removed in its current shape,
Starmer is now repeating the UKIP 2015 manifesto.]


https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-has-praised-keir-starmers-speech-on-immigration_uk_637cab17e4b0e771d958131a

[arista]

[the Tories have made clear they’re going
to continue with large scale mass
legal immigration.]


On This Slim
Farage is Wrong & Not Updated
as PM Sunak cancelled Hunts dream
Yesterday in the CBI conference

[The Slim Reaper]

[the Tories have made clear they’re going
to continue with large scale mass
legal immigration.]


On This Slim
Farage is Wrong & Not Updated
as PM Sunak cancelled Hunts dream
Yesterday in the CBI conference

Sunak didn't cancel anything as he was in favour of it, but the ERG threatened him and he backed down like a meek little puppy. Lets at least get the basics right.

Starmer has shifted way, way to the right. For some this may come as such a surprise, that they will now need to pretend it's part of a masterplan, but the truth is obvious - starmer will do or say anything to get into power, and just like Johnson, these are the very last people that should be anywhere near power

[rusticgal]

I know he's an okay kind of guy but honestly he tires me out listening to him.

He's talking sense mostly but his delivery is like a train clunking down the track not charging down the track.
I think however the audience was more impressed.

He hss absolutely no charisma...

[bots]

to suggest that labour is further right than the tories is a bit of a stretch :laugh:

I do agree though that the current crop of politicians will do and say anything to grab power

[arista]

Sunak didn't cancel anything as he was in favour of it, but the ERG threatened him and he backed down like a meek little puppy. Lets at least get the basics right.

Starmer has shifted way, way to the right. For some this may come as such a surprise, that they will now need to pretend it's part of a masterplan, but the truth is obvious - starmer will do or say anything to get into power, and just like Johnson, these are the very last people that should be anywhere near power

He is in favour of Legal Workers
entering the UK on Contract.

That is not changing the EU deal


Those imported workers are needed.

[arista]

to suggest that labour is further right than the tories is a bit of a stretch :laugh:

I do agree though that the current crop of politicians will do and say anything to grab power


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[arista]

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SkyNews text:
[Labour leader Keir Starmer's apparent plan to
scrap the charitable status of some private schools,
has been described as "a spite measure,"
by Tory MPs, according to the Daily Mail.]

[arista]

SkyNews text
[Up to 200 private schools may be forced to close
if Labour cuts their tax breaks]

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[bots]

do the tories really think that fighting to keep elitist private schools during a cost of living crisis is a vote winner? It shows how out of touch they are

[The Slim Reaper]

The anti-democratic labour party strikes again.

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[The Slim Reaper]

There's a reason tory mp's feel safe and at home under Starmer.

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[arista]

"The anti-democratic labour party strikes again."

But they want to take over, at the next General Election.
Strict control from now on
is logical from Starmer

[arista]

There's a reason tory mp's feel safe and at home under

Slim use a Proper Conservative
that ain't running away




Charles Walker

Is Stepping Down

Slim he is not a typical Conservative
at all.

Pathetic Git he is

[arista]

Starmer is going live on TV and radio News
this morning.


His Dream to change the House of Lords

[arista]

Live first on BBC1AM now


Starmer is in Leeds

[arista]

On SkyNewsHD now


He hopes to get his idea of the House of Lords
done in his first term.


He also states Wales and Scotland
has resolved Strike deals


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-to-pledge-biggest-ever-transfer-of-power-as-labour-report-outlines-sweeping-reform-plans-12761863

[Gusto Brunt]

On SkyNewsHD now


He hopes to get his idea of the House of Lords
done in his first term.


He also states Wales and Scotland
has resolved Strike deals


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-to-pledge-biggest-ever-transfer-of-power-as-labour-report-outlines-sweeping-reform-plans-12761863


Yes, and he wants to abolish second jobs for MPs. Something I think is well overdue. There are many MPs like that horrendous David Lammy and Esther McVey who behave as if they're NOT MPs. Both spend more time writing in the newspapers and being on TV and radio.

It makes me furious when I see Esther McVey presenting TV shows on GB News as if she is a free agent. :fist: The greed on her face is apparent. She's an MP. BE AN MP. AND NOTHING ELSE.
:fist::fist:

I do hope Starmer puts this policy into action. It's well overdue.

Thanks.:hee::laugh:

[joeysteele]

I applaud this idea.

Although I'd like to hear a lot of the detail too.
An elected chamber instead of the Lords.
Great.
HOW would he want it elected, by first past the post or a PR system.
If not PR what's the point of again having under half the votes cast dictating with an overall status in the new chamber.
That is a concern.

If he would like PR for the second chamber then why not go all the way and adopt the policy of PR overwhelmingly supported at Conference this year for general elections too.

He does really NEED to spell out at least a bit of the finer detail of things he proposes.

I applaud most of what he is proposing but I wish he'd get over the fear of going much further on other issues which could turn off some voters.
Which I doubt really would turn them off IF he showed the conviction and passion for them.
Such as taking energy at least into public ownership.

He does I'm sure believe that right to look at and do and I still believe most of the Country would applaud that policy too.

I'd like him to and hope he will, as the election approaches really go for massively changing policies on a good number of issues.
The chance is there but he doesn't need to risk that chance disappearing by a lack of boldness on his part.

This House of Lords idea though and more powers to the rest of the UK.
Certainly that should prove a vote winner no doubt.
I just want him to return to the things he still claims he's open on.
Because if he was to present the things he really still knows he could support then he'd come across better presenting such policies.

[arista]

Yes Elected Lords

Starmer hopes to bring it in on his first term.
We need to hear what the Old Gits in the House of Lords
have to say on this.

[arista]

His Live Speech
in Leeds will be Live shortly

Gordon Brown
is now talking SkyNewsHD and BBCnewsHD

[arista]

New Britain


Their buzz words

[arista]

Starmer now Live


3 News Channels


Pathetic LBC is wasting his time on Hancock

[arista]

Press are now asking him Questions

[arista]

BBC News left Starmer
at 10:35PM


Good on SkyNewsHD Live staying in Leeds

[arista]

Starmer Live in Edinburgh

Gordon Brown also there.


Their New Britain Plan.


SkyNewsHD

Now

[arista]

Starmer told Kay Burley

Illegal Migrants are to be tagged.


Starmer
getting on the Voting Angle


Sign Of the Times

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-electronic-gps-tag-asylum-seekers-migrants-b2239259.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Outflanking the tories from the right definitely doesn't make him right wing. No no no.

Won't support workers though.

[bots]

Starmer will embrace any policy that he thinks will get him elected

[Oliver_W]

Would the left wing thing to do be to just let the illegals go?

[arista]

Starmer will embrace any policy that he thinks will get him elected

Yes, he is making sure of that.

[arista]

Would the left wing thing to do be to just let the illegals go?



You need to view Starmer
like New Labour was.


The next General Election
Corbyn is out of Labour for good
his Punishment for losing the General Election.

[The Slim Reaper]

offering voters that are fed up with tories, tories but a bit crueler isn't a surefire way to win elections. Polls are already back to a hung parliament, so maybe he needs to offer a different choice for once.

He's doing this at the same time as refusing to back nurses and other workers.

[arista]

offering voters that are fed up with tories, tories but a bit crueler isn't a surefire way to win elections. Polls are already back to a hung parliament, so maybe he needs to offer a different choice for once.

He's doing this at the same time as refusing to back nurses and other workers.


Yes Starmer is afraid of that.


On the Nurses when they Strike we will
see what Starmer says, then.

[joeysteele]

Yes Starmer is afraid of that.


On the Nurses when they Strike we will
see what Starmer says, then.

A hung parliament wouldn't bother me one bit.

Every other Party bar the DUP would never support the Cons back in governnent anyhow.

However as much as polling can be believed there's NOT a single poll out to now that indicates a hung parliament currently
The lowest lead for Labour presently in any is 14% then up to other leads of from 20% to 23%

Even the lowest one indicates, if right, an overall majority of anything from 50, the other larger poll leads indicate up to well over 100+

I'd like to see any current poll that disputes that.

However as I'm not in favour of massive overall majorities for any Party with under 50% of the votes cast.
I'd prefer more accountable government that can be held more to account too with only a small or even NO overall majority in place.

Tony Blair had around 44% of votes in 1997 and got a 170+ overall majority
That is an obscenity to democracy.

As to the Nurses strike.
Starmer better back the Nurses.
It will be shameful if he doesn't

I back them all the way and think it a disgrace this government has brought the nurses to the point they are today.
Undervalued and treated like they're mess on the Con Party's shoes.
Absolutely shocking.

[The Slim Reaper]

14 pts leads to a hung parliament, leaving labour 3 seats short of an ovr majority, according to polls which don't exist apparently.

Changes in boundaries since Blairs time are having an effect.

[arista]

Starmer Live now

SkyNewsHD

Canary Wharf

[Oliver_W]

Starmer Live now

SkyNewsHD

Canary Wharf

Anything particular?

[arista]

Anything particular?


In Association
with HSBC bank

Talking about the Economy.

Was only on for 5 mins
SkyNewsHD then went back to Business Live

[arista]

Also, from the LBC Political Reporter
Who spoke to Starmer.

Starmer has to be ready to take over the Government
if all the Strikes and Civil Servant strikes
stop the Government working.

[Oliver_W]

Apparently Labour are planning to ban VPNs in the UK? Which is just ridiculous, complete overreach.

[arista]

Apparently Labour are planning to ban VPNs in the UK? Which is just ridiculous, complete overreach.

More a crackdown on them

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vpns-online-safety-bill-labour-champion-b2239810.html

[bots]

i would like to see them try

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjPqi8rWYBAmjvf?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b8fe51ab-6bef-4660-ad88-8038c2d4ba63.jpeg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fkrzk7KXoAAjLDh?format=jpg&name=small

https://order-order.com/2022/12/23/another-shadow-minister-breaks-starmers-no-picketing-rule/

[joeysteele]

So they should.
Ridiculous that Starmer would not approve.

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[Labour is declaring itself the party
of law and order, The Times says, and will unveil
new policies to tackle antisocial behaviour.]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-683c3b1c-4d7e-4e69-aa9a-5dda8414c0d0.jpeg

[arista]

Labours Steve Reed MP
claims this is a big new idea.

But Times Radio reported the Conservative/LibDems tried this

[arista]

1609097027262070789


Stop going on about the King.

Our Energy Bills are way too high - talk about that Starmer


Take that sick music backing
stick it up your ass

[arista]

Today we had an Hour Sunak Live in East London


Tomorrow, Thursday 5/1/22
Keir Starmer is Live also in East London.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Labour will not get the
"big government chequebook out again"
if it wins the next election, Sir Keir Starmer
is set to say]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6a442703-7f27-4ea4-9715-0182b4886a11.png

[arista]

Starmer is going Live
in East London.
In a min

[arista]

SkyNewsHD has started
early, with Rachel Reeves Live

[joeysteele]

I really wish he'd take the bull by the horns as to making politics better.

A new way of politics is needed and him adopting PR as policy since it was passed overwhelmingly at Conference in 2022.
There's the first start to more inclusive politics that really represent others and Parties elected to Westminster.
Yet he hasn't, .... YET!.

He really does however have to start giving much more detail in how he will address this chaos we are in at present.
It shouldn't be as bad as it is at present in 2 years time hopefully but he does need to DO something to improve more and quicker.

It cannot be that he just gives vague outlines still.
Some real vision and plan needs to be presented.

Not holding my breath on that today.
However he HAS to wake up to that.

[arista]

Starmer now Live

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
GBnewsHD


RADIO 5



Not on LBC. As the Left Winger
is busy starting off with his over long intro

[arista]

Starmer
is to announce more in the next few weeks

[bots]

what Starmer needs to do to succeed is bring trust back into politics and unfortunately there is zero evidence of it yet from labour.

The tories have destroyed politics at every level. Nobody believes a word they say. They are proven liars and cheats and corrupt throughout. At the moment, does anyone trust labour to be better? Because that's what will fundamentally win them the next election

[arista]

He is talking about Green Clean Industry

that is better than Sunak

[arista]

He is now taking questions

[The Slim Reaper]

The blinding ambition of the labour right to want power for powers sake, rather than to improve and invest in the country.

[arista]

Will he give the Press
a Full 30mins like Sunak did?

[arista]

No,
he only gave 20mins

with Press Questions

[arista]

He wants the Brexit Voters back

BBC reporter states

[The Slim Reaper]

Anyone know where this man went?

1610929707180068869

[bots]

this is what i was saying about trust. What have labour done to increase trust in them. Starmer has flip flopped on loads of issues now, do we believe labour more over the lying tories

[The Slim Reaper]

this is what i was saying about trust. What have labour done to increase trust in them. Starmer has flip flopped on loads of issues now, do we believe labour more over the lying tories

Absolutely, tories stand proudly on their cruelty and everyone knows what they are.

Keir will win on the back of the destruction wrought by tories, but his switch to tory-lite from the anti-austerity candidate is not going to provide a base for a long labour term to make the changes needed to make any normal persons life any different to this lot.

If someone had the choice to own a pair of Nikes, or a knock off pair of Nikes, they'll choose the real thing.