Sir Keir Starmer & his Labour Party

[bots]

it's pretty startling when it's laid out like that

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Banning discussion of topics dear leader will be embarrassed by. Totally normal, non-Stalinist approach to leading. Every false claim dumped on Corbyn, has been actioned by the knight of the realm. No wonder Joey has gone quiet in this thread.

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[bots]

tony blair and neil kinnock did the same. It stops vote losing items getting into their manifesto. I mean, if they don't want labour to win, bring in all the vote losing proposals like they usually do

[arista]

Banning discussion of topics dear leader will be embarrassed by. Totally normal, non-Stalinist approach to leading. Every false claim dumped on Corbyn, has been actioned by the knight of the realm. No wonder Joey has gone quiet in this thread.



Sure Slim

Ed Davey had the same deal
after they lost their former female leader, FAST
She wanted to go back into the EU



It will be like a Conservative Conference
in a way.


Starmer will be like Ed
easy to pick on the Conserve., 5 PM's.

[arista]

tony blair and neil kinnock did the same. It stops vote losing items getting into their manifesto. I mean, if they don't want labour to win, bring in all the vote losing proposals like they usually do


Yes,
back to the New Labour plans

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[The i says private schools are set to
"go to battle" with Labour over the party's
plans to charge 20% VAT on school fees
if it wins the next election.
Many private schools have charitable status
and so are currently exempted from various taxes.
The paper says some have threatened
to withdraw from schemes under which
they support state schools
if the plans go ahead.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The i says private schools have a plan
to avoid paying the 20% VAT Labour has pledged
to charge them if it wins the next election.
The paper says the schools are urging parents
to pay their fees years in advance on the assumption
that those payments would still be tax exempt.
Critics tell the paper that the loophole would benefit
the wealthiest families.]

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[arista]

Why the Hell did Wes Streeting Labour MP
go on BBC1HD Laura today.

He said nothing of any Substance

Laura you are a Fool,


Live in Liverpool
this time next week.

[Zizu]

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What a strange photo !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

What a strange photo !!




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[arista]

"What a strange photo !!"


Yes Zizu
a few years back
Starmer jumping on
all the Directions he could find.

Today
some say they do not know what Starmer
stands for?

[Oliver_W]

Pandemic did strange things to people tbh.

I doubt the majority of people who took embarrassing pictures kneeling on the ground particularly know about or endorse the criminal-inspired elements of BLM. They're just supporting the idea that black lives do matter.

They didn't think that much about the virtue-signal.

[user104658]

1708181724260188487?s=20

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fyodor-dostoevsky-quote-on-tolerance/

They didn't even manage to spell his name right :facepalm:. Lack of historical literacy and lack of critical thinking will lead you down a path of believing whatever crap is shovelled in your direction LT.

I know you lads like to take the piss about the financial burden and low financial value of a good university education, but this is a prime example of why someone might want one. Intellectually impoverished.

[Beso]

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Never trust a man with empty bookshelves.:nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Never trust a man with empty bookshelves.:nono:

or a woman in mens workboots

[Oliver_W]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fyodor-dostoevsky-quote-on-tolerance/

They didn't even manage to spell his name right :facepalm:. Lack of historical literacy and lack of critical thinking will lead you down a path of believing whatever crap is shovelled in your direction LT.

I know you lads like to take the piss about the financial burden and low financial value of a good university education, but this is a prime example of why someone might want one. Intellectually impoverished.

To be fair, some people graduate university without knowing Dostoevsky from Tolstoy.

[Zizu]

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Sorry bud .. your tweet links never work for me

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[Oliver_W]

Sorry bud .. your tweet links never work for me

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It's mostly just you for whom they don't work tbh, I can see the tweet just fine ...

... and you ain't missing much.

[user104658]

To be fair, some people graduate university without knowing Dostoevsky from Tolstoy.

It's not so much about having an exhaustive knowledge of historical quotes, as just the basic ability to spot an obviously false quote and at least check it for accuracy before reposting it...

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

fcuking hell :joker:

[Ammi]

…the shock that Arista isn’t a Labour Party supporter…

[arista]

https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1712832311828295917

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Typical BBC1HD London Local News

Showed the March
but did not show the Red paint over the Entrance to the BBC big building
Central London.


I hope it is Front Page

[arista]

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1714232797211017549

[arista]

Deputy Rayner
now Live on This Morning HD itv.

[Zizu]

Deputy Rayner
now Live on This Morning HD itv.


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[arista]

23 Labour councillors have Resigned
And over 30 distancing themselves

Ch4HDnews reported
yesterday, that many Muslim Labour people
are now leaving Labour
because Starmer stated Live on LBC,
Israel has the right to Cut Power and water.

[Underscore]

Keir isn't perfect. I'm a democratic socialist, but hate the crank wing of the party.
As a (now) teacher I would be very foolish not to vote for Keir :fan:

I'm hoping that when we get into power and sort out this mess left by the Tories by the next election we can then promise some extremely transformational changes. For now, we need stability. Get us out of this mess. Bring repute back to politics.

[arista]

Keir isn't perfect. I'm a democratic socialist, but hate the crank wing of the party.
As a (now) teacher I would be very foolish not to vote for Keir :fan:

I'm hoping that when we get into power and sort out this mess left by the Tories by the next election we can then promise some extremely transformational changes. For now, we need stability. Get us out of this mess. Bring repute back to politics.


Sure
so long as it is not a Hung Parliament
by the time, it is the General Election

[arista]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1716146479184634235

[arista]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1716425640553959457

[The Slim Reaper]

Keir isn't perfect. I'm a democratic socialist, but hate the crank wing of the party.
As a (now) teacher I would be very foolish not to vote for Keir :fan:

I'm hoping that when we get into power and sort out this mess left by the Tories by the next election we can then promise some extremely transformational changes. For now, we need stability. Get us out of this mess. Bring repute back to politics.

Expecting Starmer to have a transformative vision for the country during his 2nd election, which will be much closer race than this one, is wishful thinking. He has an open goal to offer anything he wants now because the Tories have screwed themselves.

He could offer free puppy kicking days for everyone and it wouldn't matter. if he is not offering you anything now, he certainly won't in a closer, more pressurised election.

He'll act like a tory during his first time, and then the media will coalesce around the tories and call him a communist, and then he'll fold. As always.

A true democratic socialist would be viewed with disdain by this labour leadership, so whilst you may call others cranks, I'd wager that is a better thing to be, than the person behind Starmer in a human centipede.

[bots]

I know i'm guilty of not understanding how politics works these days and i'm sure it applies to millions of others. We used to have things like manifesto pledges, where it was crystal clear what parties were going to do if elected. Now, a pledge is condensed to a few buzz words that can be discarded on a whim. What is the point we all may ask ourselves. The truth is, any government will now do as they please once elected. The only important thing is to get elected.

Traditionally, i would say Starmer would walk the next election, but, honestly, now i'm not so sure. Politics is outside of traditional lanes. I think it's going to be a wild ride in the run up to the next election and all bets are off for me

[Zizu]

I know i'm guilty of not understanding how politics works these days and i'm sure it applies to millions of others. We used to have things like manifesto pledges, where it was crystal clear what parties were going to do if elected. Now, a pledge is condensed to a few buzz words that can be discarded on a whim. What is the point we all may ask ourselves. The truth is, any government will now do as they please once elected. The only important thing is to get elected.

Traditionally, i would say Starmer would walk the next election, but, honestly, now i'm not so sure. Politics is outside of traditional lanes. I think it's going to be a wild ride in the run up to the next election and all bets are off for me


I hate politics and politicians !!

I hate how they just change policies and rules / laws just to appease the voting masses instead of doing it for the right or correct thing reasons - for the benefit of the people and the country


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[OnTheRight]

I'd rather poop in my hands and clap than vote Labour.

[Zizu]

I'd rather poop in my hands and clap than vote Labour.


Is that you .. Paul ?


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[OnTheRight]

Is that you .. Paul ?


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No, it's Boris., :joker:

Paul who?

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1714232797211017549

23 Labour councillors have Resigned
And over 30 distancing themselves

Ch4HDnews reported
yesterday, that many Muslim Labour people
are now leaving Labour
because Starmer stated Live on LBC,
Israel has the right to Cut Power and water.


What has he actually said to make so many people soil themselves?

[Zizu]

No, it's Boris., :joker:

Paul who?


It’s a BB reference


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/25/18/76995255-0-image-m-2_1698254363974.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12671893/Now-furious-Labour-frontbenchers-join-rebellion-demand-Israel-ceasefire-Party-crisis-escalates-Keirs-tense-crunch-meeting-Muslim-MPs-fails-break-standoff-150-councillors-signed-extraordinary-letter-warning-stance.html

[arista]

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[arista]

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/images/17328748.jpg?type=mds-article-962

[Shaista Aziz and Dr Amar Latif have both stepped down]


Two of the many Muslim Labour Councillors
that have resigned
As Starmer would not correct what he first
stated Live on LBC.


Oxford Council has lost its majority out.
9 Labour resigned there.

[bots]

Rachel Reeves has denied claims of plagiarism, after it emerged some passages of her new book were lifted from sources including Wikipedia.

The Financial Times reported the shadow chancellor's book included reproduced material without acknowledgment.

A spokesperson for Ms Reeves said: "These were inadvertent mistakes and will be rectified in future reprints."

Tory MPs have ridiculed Ms Reeves online, while party chairman Greg Hands said she needed to "explain herself".

The book, The Women Who Made Modern Economics, was launched at an Institute for Government event on Wednesday evening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67225980

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:joker:

[arista]

Yes Reeves is Pathetic


Publishers said they will edit
any future publications?

[arista]

Thursday Front page


Sky News Text:
[Sir Keir Starmer "made matters worse" when he
held a meeting with MPs and peers to try to heal
a rift over his stance on the Israel-Hamas war,
The Times says.

The paper says four shadow ministers are
on "resignation watch" and about 150 Muslim councillors
have written to Sir Keir to ask him to back an
immediate ceasefire.]

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[arista]

[Starmer’s urgent trip to
South Wales Islamic Centre – hastily
organised after realising he’d upset hundreds
of his own party members by backing calls
for a siege of Gaza – has backfired in
spectacular fashion
:it turns out the Centre didn’t invite Starmer,
the Imam had no idea who he was,
and now the left are piling on even more.
What was supposed to be an emergency photo
op to stop the left shouting at him
has unravelled into a PR nightmare…]

https://order-order.com/2023/10/24/starmers-pr-trip-to-islamic-centre-backfires/

[bots]

The labour party could completely unravel just as they were getting ready to win the election

[Crimson Dynamo]

The labour party could completely unravel just as they were getting ready to win the election

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[joeysteele]

The labour party could completely unravel just as they were getting ready to win the election


Stranger things have happened so that's highly possible.

However I feel as to this Middle East crisis there will be, if it goes on much longer, a presenting of difficulties for the government .

Public opinion is very fickle.
However how things continue to unfurl in the war region is likely to bring division to most if not all Parties as to how they hold agreement as to the best ways to deal with the issue.

Starmer has created for himself difficulties on some aspects of what is best and/ or right.
However the Con representative had a difficult ride on the issue on Question Time.

Dealing with the issues of war and the divisive opinion around it has been shown to be very difficult for both government and opposition before.

[bots]

the tory party are historically more supportive of war. That's how Tony Blair got approval for Iraq. Also, not only does labour have a lot more grass root muslim voters, it is also the party accused of antisemitism, so I think labour will be most affected by it

[joeysteele]

the tory party are historically more supportive of war. That's how Tony Blair got approval for Iraq. Also, not only does labour have a lot more grass root muslim voters, it is also the party accused of antisemitism, so I think labour will be most affected by it

Well the Con party has issues of Islamaphobia.
So that's another issue.

Baroness Warsi has highlighted this many times.

So if it's an issue for Labour then it's also so for the Cons.

Really one thing under Starmer, and it's one of only few.
How he's reacted to antisemitism and all he's done since becoming leader , which has won acclaim even from the equalities commission who did the full independent investigation into antisemitism in Labour.
That cannot be levelled at Labour now.

As much as hard-line Con supporters would still try to do so.

[bots]

Keir has taken a good shot at sorting things out, but he cant control millions of people with conflicting voices that are only likely to get louder. It's just my opinion, i see it as a big issue for labour and not so much for the tories

[joeysteele]

Keir has taken a good shot at sorting things out, but he cant control millions of people with conflicting voices that are only likely to get louder. It's just my opinion, i see it as a big issue for labour and not so much for the tories

Then it will be a good test for him to pass which could even strengthen his position.
If he listens properly.

There's a growing mood for a ceasefire .
I think he should support both.
One for humanitarian reasons but also to be heard supporting a full ceasefire.
It now depends on what results from Israel's next action.

Where that goes then where the Cons go on that could turn things back on them.

Sunak has said we, the UK stand with Israel ALWAYS.
Always, no matter what they may enact and do.
He may find problems with that declaration.
Depending on what results in the future of this conflict

[arista]

"If he listens properly."


Yes Joey great points
he rushed to that Muslim meeting
in South Wales.
His staff did not set it up properly

"it turns out the Centre didn’t invite Starmer,
the Imam had no idea who he was, "

[arista]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1718334720465911862

[Mystic Mock]

The labour party could completely unravel just as they were getting ready to win the election

They're just so lucky that they're up against Rishi Sunak.:laugh:

Unfortunately for the UK civilians, we're ****ed either way, including the Incels losing their virginity once this GE is dealt with.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

What's always sad during these types of conflict is that it's always the innocent people that get caught up in it, never the evil bastards that instigate the conflict in the first place.

[joeysteele]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1718334720465911862

I really like Owen bigtime but he does at times say utter and unnecessary nonsense.
I've little time for Starmer myself but that is really over the top

[arista]

Sure Joey
Owen has got, big anger against Starmer

[arista]

[Nearly a quarter of Labour MPs have publicly
called for a ceasefire in Gaza,
contrary to the party’s official line,
including two frontbenchers.

Underlining the extent of pressure on
Keir Starmer over the issue, 49 Labour MPs
have either said they want a ceasefire
or signed a Commons motion calling for one,
out of a current total of
199 Labour members in the Commons.

With continued speculation that some
frontbenchers are ready to quit, Imran Hussain,
the Bradford East MP and shadow minister for
the future of work, signed an early day motion
on Friday calling for a ceasefire.]



We should find out tomorrow
what these Angry Labour MP's
are going to do.....................................


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/26/labour-mps-gaza-ceasefire-call

[joeysteele]

I really don't see why Starmer is hesitant about calling for a full ceasefire now.
It seems to be the growing hope of the Country too.
Plus in other Nations too.

Sadly Hamas aren't ever likely to agree but then with the other Nations calling for a full ceasefire, with Hamas not, would only expose their terrorism motives more.

I don't get why Starmer is letting this become an issue.

[arista]

"I don't get why Starmer is letting this become an issue."

According to Labour MP Peter Kyle
(SkyNewsHD/BBC1HD/GBnewsHD Live Interviews)
it is showing they are a broad church.

Tomorrow More Labour MP's
can split from Starmers "Pause."
Same as Sunak PM and President Biden

I would expect more MP's
to cause Starmer trouble

[joeysteele]

Actually it seems there's a hint of changing of attitude from Biden on this too.

Certainly too in other Nations and also the UN.

Starmer if he woke up may well have the position a growing number want to see.

It could be Sunak and co who end up on the back foot for this with his 'standing with Israel ALWAYS ' line.
No matter what occurs or what Israel does may have him on the ropes too.

There are Cons too who are thinking a full ceasefire is more appropriate to aim for now.

[Oliver_W]

I really don't see why Starmer is hesitant about calling for a full ceasefire now.
It seems to be the growing hope of the Country too.
Plus in other Nations too.

Sadly Hamas aren't ever likely to agree but then with the other Nations calling for a full ceasefire, with Hamas not, would only expose their terrorism motives more.

I don't get why Starmer is letting this become an issue.
Yeah.

He could call for a ceasefire while still openly calling Hamas terrorists. Anyone who'd resign from Labour after that would really be showing their stripes.

[bots]

we need to see how it all pans out. Leaders around the world are going to be tested over this

[Liam-]

I really like Owen bigtime but he does at times say utter and unnecessary nonsense.
I've little time for Starmer myself but that is really over the top

It really isn’t over the top, it’s exactly what Starmer is doing

[joeysteele]

we need to see how it all pans out. Leaders around the world are going to be tested over this

Absolutely.
They are going to be tested as you say.
Including the current UK leader.

How far this war escalates is likely going to be extremely concerning in addition to how frightening this war already is anyhow.

[joeysteele]

Yeah.

He could call for a ceasefire while still openly calling Hamas terrorists. Anyone who'd resign from Labour after that would really be showing their stripes.

I agree.

Plus though being pro Palestinian is NOT being antisemitic.
As some would decree it to be.

The general population of Israelis want peace just as much as the general population of Palestinians too.

It's really sad that across the World in Nations it's the so called 'leaders' and power mad groups who seem to fail badly and only help inflame the divisions not the ordinary citizens of those Nations .

[bots]

The problem is that it is a really mixed up conflict. Hamas are holding Israeli hostages, they could release them to help bring about a cease fire

The other thing that i haven't seen anywhere really, is the international law being broken by Hamas by using their own civilians as human shields. Where is the outcry from the Lebanon supporters for that? It's totally ****ed up

[Oliver_W]

The problem is that it is a really mixed up conflict. Hamas are holding Israeli hostages, they could release them to help bring about a cease fire

The other thing that i haven't seen anywhere really, is the international law being broken by Hamas by using their own civilians as human shields. Where is the outcry from the Lebanon supporters for that? It's totally ****ed up

They've always been using their own civilians as human shields, it's nothing new.

[bots]

They've always been using their own civilians as human shields, it's nothing new.

yeah, but they are actively doing it now, and all the free Palestine brigade completely ignore it

[Oliver_W]

yeah, but they are actively doing it now, and all the free Palestine brigade completely ignore it

They'd say something that starts with "What choice do they have when Israel..."

[joeysteele]

They've always been using their own civilians as human shields, it's nothing new.

That's right

Which is why great care needs to be taken to save those innocents lives.

Because Hamas don't respect life or worldwide humanity obligations.
It has to be a very fragile and delicate thing to ensure a retaliation doesn't end up being as bad as them.

This can only really get even more horrific than now if humanity laws are discarded.
Where this ends up going as bots said, is going to test and cause massive problems for other leaders in their Countries.
For Sunak here too, despite his rather hastily produced rhetoric.

It's hard to see who can ever be the winners here.
Plus the longer it goes on, the nightmare just keeps getting worse for the innocents of Israel and Palestine.
How long can most Countries of the World just watch that happen.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/mortenmorland/status/1712456016565022943

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9dsEsvXEAAmDN4?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

Andy McDonald has been suspended as a Labour MP, after the party said he had made "deeply offensive" comments relating to the Israel-Gaza war.

The MP for Middlesbrough used the phrase "between the river and the sea" in a speech at a pro-Palestinian rally.

Critics of the chant argue it implicitly calls for the destruction of Israel, although pro-Palestinian protesters have contested this.

He will now sit as an independent MP, pending an investigation.

In his speech at a demonstration on Saturday, Mr McDonald said: "We will not rest until we have justice. Until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty."

The phrase "from the river to the sea" refers to the land between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean.

Earlier this month, Home Secretary Suella Braverman urged police chiefs to consider interpreting the chant as an "expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world". Israel and most Jewish groups agree.

This interpretation is disputed by some pro-Palestinian activists who say that most people chanting it are calling for an end to Israel's occupation of the West Bank and blockade of Gaza, not the destruction of Israel itself.

When asked about the chant in a briefing with reporters earlier, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's spokesman said: "We understand clearly this is a deeply offensive chant to many."

A Labour spokesperson said Mr McDonald's comments at the weekend "were deeply offensive, particularly at a time of rising antisemitism which has left Jewish people fearful for their safety".

"The chief whip has suspended the Labour whip from Andy McDonald, pending an investigation," the spokesperson said.

Momentum, a left-wing Labour campaign group, branded Mr McDonald's suspension "an appalling and opportunistic attempt from the Starmer leadership to silence those speaking out in solidarity with Palestine".

The group said Sir Keir had "joined in with disingenuous smears put out by the right-wing press, which deliberately misrepresent Andy's call for peace".

[arista]

Starmer Live on BBCnewsHD
taking press questions

[arista]

This paper also posted on
the King in Kenya , thread.

BBC News Text:
[Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer's "threats"
to his shadow ministers to
"stop calling for a ceasefire in Gaza".
Keir Starmer is instead calling for a
"humanitarian pause" in Israel, the paper reports.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11196/production/_131583007_times_page-0001.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1719302271207391240

[joeysteele]

I think on conflict issues government, opposition and all Parties.
Should be free to express their real feelings and conscience on the issue and what is happening in any conflict too.

You cannot and should not make human beings programmed robots even on policies or positions that could or should be wrong.

This really is part of what's wrong about governnent, parliament and politics across the board too.
War is uniquely awful, no one should be silenced as to their own feelings, emotions and positions on it.

[bots]

there is a constant need for everything to be polarised these days. You are either for something or against something. Reality is that nothing is ever that simplistic

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F94UpLGWsAAjeH2?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Oliver_W]

Andy McDonald has been suspended as a Labour MP, after the party said he had made "deeply offensive" comments relating to the Israel-Gaza war.

The MP for Middlesbrough used the phrase "between the river and the sea" in a speech at a pro-Palestinian rally.

Critics of the chant argue it implicitly calls for the destruction of Israel, although pro-Palestinian protesters have contested this.

He will now sit as an independent MP, pending an investigation.

In his speech at a demonstration on Saturday, Mr McDonald said: "We will not rest until we have justice. Until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty."

That's just stupid.

Whatever sinister meanings "from the river to the sea" has, he was clearly not using it in that context, as he included both Israelis and Palestinians in his speech.

Removing his whip was a complete overreaction. Him using the phrase may well have been a bit stupid, given its possible implications, but he wasn't using it in that way.

I understand that given recent history, the Labour party can't be seen to be letting any antisemitism go without comment, but there's a line.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's just stupid.

Whatever sinister meanings "from the river to the sea" has, he was clearly not using it in that context, as he included both Israelis and Palestinians in his speech.

Removing his whip was a complete overreaction. Him using the phrase may well have been a bit stupid, given its possible implications, but he wasn't using it in that way.

I understand that given recent history, the Labour party can't be seen to be letting any antisemitism go without comment, but there's a line.

They chose now to launch an "Islamophobia" month?

beggars belief

[Oliver_W]

They chose now to launch an "Islamophobia" month?

beggars belief

It's been around for like ten years :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's been around for like ten years :shrug:

timing

and no poppy

it shows a lot about the spineless labor party

[arista]

Two Labour Council "Leaders"
call for Starmer to Resign.


SkyNewsHD Live

[Oliver_W]

If he really did remove his poppy to appease a muslim audience, that's just insulting to muslims - it's implying they're too stupid and beastly to be able to cope with the idea of respecting those who died in war.

[bots]

it does look like the same suit and tie

[joeysteele]

Two Labour Councils
call for Starmer to Resign.


SkyNewsHD Live

2 Labour Council leaders have, NOT 2 Labour Councils.

Although I still think he hasn't got this right.
Interestingly some of the media think he hasn't either.

Where does that leave Sunak then however, as Starmer is fully in step with Sunak..
So as to those media, surely Sunak must be wrong too.

[bots]

2 Labour Council leaders have, NOT 2 Labour Councils.

Although I still think he hasn't got this right.
Interestingly some of the media think he hasn't either.

Where does that leave Sunak then however, as Starmer is fully in step with Sunak..
So as to those media, surely Sunak must be wrong too.

has Starmer condemned the planned protests on Sunday? I hope so

[joeysteele]

has Starmer condemned the planned protests on Sunday? I hope so

Do you know what bots.
I've had it now as to Starmer.

It's just a good thing for him that my dislike for this rotten Con government is stronger than my dislike for him.

He shouldn't condemn the planned protests.
Because yes, while we recall the sacrifices made by those who fought in wars with respect to them.

One of the things they also fought for was PEACE.
With what's happening in the middle East again now.
To stop people protesting about this war, would and should be wrong.

People standing like hypocrites, thankful for peace remembering those who fought for peace.
While innocent citizens are being massacred again in war.
Which some people just want brushed under the carpet for a day for pomp and ceremony.

It actually makes me feel sick.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The i's weekend edition reports on an
election boost for Labour from an unlikely source.
Former Tory chancellor Ken Clarke has backed
shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves - praising her
"uncompromising" fiscal approach.]



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[arista]

The Leader of Burnley Council
has resigned from the Labour Party.


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Imran Hussain MP:
Shadow minister Quits Labour Front Bench
over Gaza

[Mr Hussain was the shadow minister for
the New Deal for Working People.
He said he remained committed to Labour's agenda
but that his view on Gaza differed "substantially" from
the position Sir Keir has adopted.

Sir Keir has called for humanitarian pauses
in Gaza but has not supported calls for
a ceasefire at this time.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67353019

[joeysteele]

Fair play to Imran Hussain.

He wants to be able to speak freely on the Middle East conflicts.
The stupid Party rules make in impossible for MPs to do so.
The daft cabinet collective responsibility issue turns humans into Party robots.
Not people with feelings, emotions and integrity.

He still supports all of Labours other agenda.
Not however on the ceasefire issue.
Fair enough.
I say good luck to him.
He must feel a great weight has been lifted off his shoulders.

Wars, bring about division of views, no one MP or otherwise should be forced to not speak from their own thoughts and conscience on the issue of war.
No one.

[arista]

"Fair play to Imran Hussain."

No he is the First Cabinet member to go.

USA and UK demand a Pause
that is far better


Also

"Shadow Minister for
the New Deal for Working People."


He was never on TV news


Good he is out of the cabinet.

[joeysteele]

"Fair play to Imran Hussain."

No he is the First Cabinet member to go.

USA and UK demand a Pause
that is far better


Also

"Shadow Minister for
the New Deal for Working People."


He was never on TV news


Good he is out of the cabinet.

Not really.
People with at least some integrity to stand up and say what they really think.
Are far better than backside crawlers.
Like most Cabinet and shadow Cabinet are expected to become.
No matter the leader.

People are calling for MPs to be more honest.
Then the Parties, whip, and collective cabinet responsibility rules strip them of any honesty.

That's part of what's disgracefully wrong in politics

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is
"battling to reassert his authority"
within his party amid tensions
with some members of his front bench because
of his stance on Gaza.
The paper says four shadow ministers are
prepared to quit "in the coming days" rather
than vote against a ceasefire in the conflict,
while up to 10 others are on
"resignation watch".
It comes after the resignation
of Imran Hussain,
the shadow minister for
the new deal for working people,
over the issue.
Sir Keir has so far refused to back a
ceasefire, saying it would leave
Hamas's infrastructure intact,
and has instead called for a
humanitarian pause to allow aid into Gaza.]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-fGJxRW8AA1ipS?format=jpg&name=900x900

[DemolitionRed]

The problem is that it is a really mixed up conflict. Hamas are holding Israeli hostages, they could release them to help bring about a cease fire

The other thing that i haven't seen anywhere really, is the international law being broken by Hamas by using their own civilians as human shields. Where is the outcry from the Lebanon supporters for that? It's totally ****ed up

The Gaza Strip is being turned to dust, regardless of hostages. Ask yourself this... If Hamas were known to be hiding in Israel with Israeli hostages, would the Israelis carpet bomb Israel in an attempt to kill Hamas?

You do realize that the collective punishments of civilians in Gaza is a war crime. Both Hamas and Netanyahu have and still are committing war crimes.

[arista]

A Labour Brief
has remarked at the Cabinet Member who
left the over Gaza, as shaking off the Fleas.

Spoken on BBC1HD "Laura K." Live

[arista]

New Poll
7-8 Nov 2023 by YouGov

Labour 47% (+15%)
Conservative 23% (-21%)
LibDem 10% (-2%)
Reform UK 8% (+6%)
Green 7% (+4%)


Was debated on Trevor Phillips Live 90mins show
SkyNewsHD

The in Brackets are changes from 2019

[fruit_cake]

just need a few less percentage points for the Tories and they could be wiped from even being official opposition

[arista]

Wednesday 15/11/23

SNP will put a vote in for Cease Fire in Gaza,

If any Labour Front Bench Vote for that
Starmer will Sack them

[arista]

Labour MP Naz Shah (in his cabinet)
backs the SNP Cease Fire Vote


SkyNewsHD Live,

[Liam-]

Imagine being sacked for voting to end the unrelenting murder of innocent civilians and children, Starmer should be shamed and replaced

[arista]

Also Helen Hays MP

Labour Cabinet member,


Ch4HDnews says there are 8 of them

[arista]

Labour MP Jess Phillips Resigns

Part of the Cabinet

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-_781dXYAAt-vx?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

oops

[arista]

9 Labour Front Benchers Resign

SkyNewsHD Live

[bots]

thats going to be a headache

[Liam-]

Starmer is a disgrace

[arista]

10 Labour MP's leave the Front Bench


BBC news

[The Slim Reaper]

Need to get a vote of no confidence on this fcuking ghoulish chancer.

[joeysteele]

I support the Labour MPs who have acted from their conscience.
Starmer is wrong to sack anyone.

He's so wrong to be a poodle to the government's line on this issue.

Way too many innocents have been on both sides and stil are being slaughtered in this conflict.
Starmer and Labour should be standing up for them.
If any MP believes a full ceasefire is now necessary, they should be able to in free conscience vote for that.
From ANY Party.

[Oliver_W]

"The Opposition is meant to oppose"

I don't quite believe the Opposition party should stand against the Government on everything, bht they should stand against some things :joker:

But either way, there are some issues in which politicians should be allowed to vote their hearts without towing the party line, and that was one of them.

[joeysteele]

"The Opposition is meant to oppose"

I don't quite believe the Opposition party should stand against the Government on everything, bht they should stand against some things :joker:

But either way, there are some issues in which politicians should be allowed to vote their hearts without towing the party line, and that was one of them.

This is one of those times I agree.

War or any other conflicts should release all MPs of ALL Parties to be able to vote in a freevote as to their own conscience.
None of this collective responsibility nonsense or Party whipped votes.

That's not a properly organised democracy.

[Oliver_W]

On the other hand, people leaving their jobs (forced or otherwise) over a foreign conflict is taking things too far.

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[The paper also covers the resignation
of eight Labour frontbenchers in a revolt
by party MPs who have defied Sir Keir Starmer
to back calls for a ceasefire in Gaza.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E6C1/production/_131737095_f815fa79-a5bb-4559-8ec0-e40b0bc5fa3c.jpg.webp

[arista]

The Scottish Labour MP

Also Voted for Ceasefire.

But he does not have to Resign.


8 Labour MP's in England all Resigned,
10 in all.


The SNP Ceasefire Vote was Lost,
anyway.


Ref : Peston ITV1HD

[The Slim Reaper]

1725168038293442918

[arista]

[10 Labour MPs who left Sir Keir's front bench
tonight after backing a ceasefire included
eight shadow ministers.

They were
Jess Phillips MP,
Paula Barker MP,
Rachel Hopkins MP,
Afzal Khan MP,
Sarah Owen MP,
Yasmin Qureshi MP,
Naz Shah MP
Andy Slaughter MP

Dan Carden MP and Mary Foy MP
also left their roles as
parliamentary private secretaries.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12756249/Keir-Starmer-Labour-MPs-ceasefire-Gaza-Commons-Israel.html

[bots]

Andy Slaughter, there's a name for the times

[Oliver_W]

Andy Slaughter, there's a name for the times

When there's no war, he calls himself Andy's Laughter.

[The Slim Reaper]

Starmers labour not only egging on the tory assault on the poor and disabled, but criticising them for not going far enough. How anyone can support these ghouls is beyond me.

1725513841440694772

[bots]

When IDS starts looking like a kind and generous man, you know labour have got a problem

[arista]

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[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The i leads on an interview with
the shadow foreign secretary David Lammy,
who says a future Labour government would
prioritise improving relations
with the European Union.
He says he would seek a "shift" in
London-Brussels ties
and work towards more collaboration
on defence and security.]

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[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Sir Keir Starmer is appealing for Conservative
voters to switch to Labour - and The Sunday Telegraph
says he is piling praise on Margaret Thatcher
in an attempt to woo the right.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8ed4d9a4-89df-471f-a8ab-b83fd0a2fd83.jpeg

[bots]

Sir Keir Starmer has credited Margaret Thatcher as a prime minister who effected "meaningful change".

The Labour leader said Baroness Thatcher set loose Britain's "natural entrepreneurialism" in an article in the Sunday Telegraph.

In a clear pitch to Conservative voters, Sir Keir highlighted immigration and small boat crossings as "matters of serious public concern".

Sir Keir also praised Labour PMs Tony Blair and Clement Attlee.

"Every moment of meaningful change in modern British politics begins with the realisation that politics must act in service of the British people, rather than dictating to them," Sir Keir wrote.

"Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism.

"Tony Blair reimagined a stale, outdated Labour Party into one that could seize the optimism of the late 90s.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67604830

-------------------------------

:laugh:

[Liam-]

It’s like he’s actually trying to see how he can lose the election, why would someone 20+ points up in the polls need to do this? He’s just showing everyone what people have been saying he is, a Tory in a red tie.

[arista]

It’s like he’s actually trying to see how he can lose the election, why would someone 20+ points up in the polls need to do this? He’s just showing everyone what people have been saying he is, a Tory in a red tie.


He does not want a Hung Parliament

[Oliver_W]

He does not want a Hung Parliament

Sure. Addressing concerns like immigration, and praising entrepreneurism (especially small businesses) are both fair ways to appeal to a broad section of voters, and not overly "right wing".

But praising Margaret Thatcher(ism) isn't going to win anyone over.

[bots]

He could easily be losing votes to the point he lets the tories win. What is the point of voting labour if they are just going to be the tories under a different name

[arista]

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1731326965783629935

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-87a1aad6-dbcd-45ea-b3dd-ca6e6d1cadd4.jpeg

[arista]

Sure. Addressing concerns like immigration, and praising entrepreneurism (especially small businesses) are both fair ways to appeal to a broad section of voters, and not overly "right wing".

But praising Margaret Thatcher(ism) isn't going to win anyone over.


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-dd40918e-e1d1-44b4-89d5-37d19e7e8fd5.png

[arista]

Now Massive Anger on Twitter

Starmer Out
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerOut&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAceMxnXsAAOqu8?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAcLmAVWwAAFwW_?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAddldFXMAA84ch?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

Last one

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAdm7hEWYAAYdyd?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

Starmer Now Live
Westminster Hall (Economy 2030 Inquiry)

All 3 News Stations


He claims the UK is worse than the 1970's?

Hang on Tubby Starmer
1978
Rubbish Strikes
Labour's Pathetic mess.

[arista]

Starmer now taking Press Questions


SkyNews asks will he cut services.

Starmer giving a long answer
but not saying he will cut.

BBC News asks - he will be doing Cuts?

Starmer say's he is investing in the UK

[arista]

Guardian asks what Hope?

Starmer stated Economic Growth.

Lower Bills for Energy.

[arista]

Good on SkyNewsHD

Staying live in Full

Sad BBC ended on the hour

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The Financial Times leads with the Labour Party
enlisting 10 City advisers "to help cement confidence"
of the business sector.
Speaking to the broadsheet,
shadow city minister Tulip Siddiq said the party
was embracing the City and was working hard
to end the perception it was "sneering" at business.]


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[Oliver_W]

Now Massive Anger on Twitter

Starmer Out
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerOut&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAceMxnXsAAOqu8?format=jpg&name=900x900

They just can't help but show their antisemitism.

Was there any need to include the Israel flag, with the implication that it's a bad thing?

[arista]

Labours Rachel Reeves
was on Trevor Phillips SkyNewsHD

He kept asking her will she get the money
back from Rwanda

She Ignored him
would not answer?

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The Daily Mirror leads with a warning from
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer,
who says that the Conservatives'
"ability to govern has collapsed".
"Sunak on the brink,"]



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[Z]

I think Sunak's days are numbered but I have not seen a shred of evidence that Starmer has any of the credentials to replace him and be any more effective. The stage invader at the Labour conference and the footage of him being accosted on the train to Glasgow and in Glasgow Central Station about his stance on the Gaza situation have revealed him to be a rabbit in headlights when he's challenged in the moment by real people with tame observations, I cannot see this man leading the country. The strategy of letting the Conservatives choke themselves out has worked up to a point, because they're a party in their death throes, but if Starmer wins an election I can't see him lasting a full term.

[bots]

Politics is a mess everywhere :laugh:

People have long since worked out that politicians are only in it for themselves so it really doesn't matter who is elected.

Also, fake news will be bigger than ever at the next election, so all bets are off on who will win, even if logic says that the tories are finished

[arista]

At 7:27AM Starmer live in Buckinghamshire
spent over 10mins talking to GMBHD itv.

He says the Conservatives are like Rats in Sack
and keep making up numbers of what Labour are saying.


He will be giving a New Speech
from there today

[joeysteele]

At 7:27AM Starmer live in Buckinghamshire
spent over 10mins talking to GMBHD itv.

He says the Conservatives are like Rats in Sack
and keep making up numbers of what Labour are saying.


He will be giving a New Speech
from there today

Starmer too often looks kind of numbed when he speaks.
He doesn't hold attention.
It's more off putting.
Even I groan as he's explaining things or trying to.

I wish he'd sort of wake up both as to delivery and tone.
I don't want him jumping about like a clown like Johnson but to instil more passion.

The thing is, he's tied himself up with policy and things he thinks sound SAFE.
Perhaps if he adopted the things he does really believe in, and risk presenting them.
He could come across in a better way.
Offering a more real transformation for the future rather than little change but with compassion, fairness and more sensitivity added.

[Gusto Brunt]

Do you realise Starmer will be 62 or 63 years old when or if he becomes PM.

One of our OLDEST PMs.

[Gusto Brunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAddldFXMAA84ch?format=jpg&name=900x900
I thought that was Paul Gascoigne. :joker:

[arista]

Starmer is about to go Live

SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD

[arista]

Do you realise Starmer will be 62 or 63 years old when or if he becomes PM.

One of our OLDEST PMs.


Not for Labour

[arista]

A lady is introducing Starmer

Silverstone.


Now another (Ex-Army) Lady is speaking first

Tubby Starmer sat back down

[arista]

Starmer now LIVE

[joeysteele]

Starmer now LIVE

Getting myself a coffee to stop me drifting off to sleep.:joker:

[arista]

Again he states a Decade of Renewal

But it is a 5 year Election term
We can Kick him out

[arista]

Getting myself a coffee to stop me drifting off to sleep.:joker:


Yes,
it is the way he speaks

[arista]

Starmer now taking Questions
from the Press.

[arista]

BBC asks about Rwanda


Sky News asked about Starmer's time with Corbyn

Much better Question


ITV news asks about Rwanda

Ch4 news ask's about his pledges

The Sun ask's about other nations now looking into
Sending migrants abroad to be processed.

The Guardian asks about his Morals.

The Mirror asks about a Migrant that has died
on the big barge.
(Starmer does not know why, so could not comment)

[arista]

For once, the Sad bbc
stayed with all the questions

[Gusto Brunt]

Not for Labour

He is getting on a bit though. I think most people see Starmer as a youtful middle aged guy, but he's heading for pensionable age. :shocked:

[arista]

Labour Shadow Health Minister Wes Streeting

Was on Politics Live BBC2HD

Says it is £40 (NHS Costs) to see your GP
Hospital Emergency A&E (NHS costs) £400


He wants to change that


Good,
he is at least telling us the Costings

[arista]

Labour will appoint
a Covid Corruption Commissioner


Wes Streeting
Health Shadow MP just stated on BBC1HD Live Sunday

[arista]

Labour Leader Starmer is in Estonia,
thanking UK Troops for their help.

He is acting like a Prime Minister?

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f23256a6-c972-4ab6-b3c5-a19a5cb340b7.png

[Oliver_W]

He is acting like a Prime Minister?

It's about time someone did.

[Oliver_W]

Some of the resignations from the Shadow Front Bench were pretty pathetic tbh. Like, why is Jess Phillips essentially putting a foreign conflict above protecting women and girls, one of her stated priorities, and the position she was in before she stepped down?

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Labour drawing up alternatives
to the Conservative's Rwanda asylum plan.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-11f93e74-3883-4bd4-9c9f-93fe38952634.jpeg

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[There are more potential policy pledges ahead
of next year's general election - the Times leads with
a story on Labour eyeing provision
to childcare "deserts" in election offer to
voters with young children.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1193B/production/_132159917_thetimes281223pg1_page-0001.jpg.webp

[joeysteele]

It's a good idea.
How he plans to see it through however is what's important.

Nurseries are stretched and some struggling.

So he needs a lot of meat put on the bones of this policy in order to convince.

[bots]

the only way the country can pay for it is by forcing more people into work, mothers probably in this instance. So, that is a double edged sword

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCYEwVAXAAEx-Il?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1740420401874764213

[arista]

Starmer back in Early 2020

https://twitter.com/JamesEFoster/status/1740836277979840984

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Starmer Live In Bristol

[arista]

Starmer is taking media questions

ONE Question each only
he stated

[arista]

Starmer & Sunak TV debate

Starmer said Bring it on.

[joeysteele]

Unfortunately the way the media set up the TV debates, makes them near irrelevant.

They often get bogged down often by silly points laboured over and questions which are a waste of time too.

As for Starmer and his speech today.
A lot of words, some impressive but very little that is new or inspirational.

[Gusto Brunt]

https://assets.rbl.ms/32930035/origin.png

That Emily on GB News this afternoon going out of her way calling Starmer a SIR every five seconds.

Almost on her knees 'we are not worthy'.:joker::joker:

I couldn't stop laughing. Those titles always make me laugh. They're just meaningless words.

To me anyway. :p

[arista]

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[arista]

The Online Paper

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/07/09/79707307-0-image-m-28_1704619121896.jpg

Starmer up early for the 8:30AM Trevor Phillips
longer 90mins show.

He agreed to do SkyNews Debate with Sunak.

[Oliver_W]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/07/09/79707307-0-image-m-28_1704619121896.jpg

Starmer up early for the 8:30AM Trevor Phillips
longer 90mins show.

He agreed to do SkyNews Debate with Sunak.

I hope it has a strong moderator who'll ensure they actually answer the questions and keep on topic.

[arista]

I hope it has a strong moderator who'll ensure they actually answer the questions and keep on topic.


Kay Burly


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[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/jeremy-corbyn-new-politicanl-party-general-election-366430/

Jeremy Corbyn tipped to launch ‘new political party’ ahead of General Election

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it will fail miserably

[Oliver_W]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/jeremy-corbyn-new-politicanl-party-general-election-366430/

Jeremy Corbyn tipped to launch ‘new political party’ ahead of General Election

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Splitting the votes is a great idea. The Tories will be happy.

I'm sure some think that Corbyn is capable of making a national, socialist party.

[The Slim Reaper]

it will fail miserably

Define failure?

it's not about winning anything, i would assume. There are people in this country on the left that have no one to vote for anymore, except maybe the greens.

Labour and the tories are offering the exact same policies these days, so offering people something different can never be classed as a failurre. We keep offering, and if it takes 50 years after we're all dead to go somewhere, then that's fine too, but what is a failure, is the right wing and neoliberal destruction of the country.

Besides which, if there is a fear of a split vote, then it pressures the right wing labour party to move a little closer to it's base.

[The Slim Reaper]

Splitting the votes is a great idea. The Tories will be happy.

I'm sure some think that Corbyn is capable of making a national, socialist party.

The tories have been dragged further right by parties like Ukip and reform/reclaim, which in turn has dragged the labour party further to the right. Attempting to redress the balance is not a negative thing.

[bots]

corbyn couldn't win a vote when he was at the height of his popularity, he won't affect the labour party as it is now

[The Slim Reaper]

corbyn couldn't win a vote when he was at the height of his popularity, he won't affect the labour party as it is now

He continually won elections within the labour party as he was being attacked and had regular leadership challenges - he won them all. You're viewing this as though we think it can win the general election in a few months time, but it's a long time endeavour to offer voters a different solution to the right wing and neoliberal orthodoxy that rules the world.

He also came within 2500 votes of winning in 17, and won the most votes as a labour leader than anyone other than Blairs first election. All this, with his own party openly working against him.

No one cries this much about farage or fox/Tice.

Offering the voters something different is not a bad thing, when every other party is offering the exact same things.

[arista]

‘new political party’


How nice for you Slim

[Oliver_W]

The tories have been dragged further right by parties like Ukip and reform/reclaim, which in turn has dragged the labour party further to the right. Attempting to redress the balance is not a negative thing.

Heck, I don't like any of the major parties, on any end of the political spectrum. I don't think even the Greens are strong enough on the environment :joker: so if the Corbyn Party had some decent green policies, I'd probably vote of my seat had a candidate :shrug:

So in short, while I don't think redressing the balance is bad, I'm not convinced that it's good either.

[The Slim Reaper]

Heck, I don't like any of the major parties, on any end of the political spectrum. I don't think even the Greens are strong enough on the environment :joker: so if the Corbyn Party had some decent green policies, I'd probably vote of my seat had a candidate :shrug:

So in short, while I don't think redressing the balance is bad, I'm not convinced that it's good either.

We have zero left wing parties in this country, so why is potentially (I don't think he will start a party - it's RW media trying to drum up the fear) adding one not a good idea? How many right wing parties do you need to see, all spewing the same policies, before you think a different choice might not be horrible?

if Corbyn does start a party, it will definitely be the most environmentally aware out of every party in the UK, especially as labour have now withdrawn their environmental commitments.

[arista]

Corbyn needs to Decide

At this time he is Not a Labour MP

He must stand as an Independent

This Year we have the General Election
I am sure he can win his own seat.



And Starmer needs to find one of his MP's
to Fight Corbyn.

[bots]

Corbyn may join his brothers protests and give up being an mp

[arista]

Corbyn may join his brothers protests and give up being an mp


No, he is Standing
he has confirmed that.



His brother is in another world

[bots]

If he started a party that got some traction, it would be quite interesting. However, i don't think it would affect the current labour party for a year or 2 at the earliest. If corbyns party did well enough to let the tories back in, i think the labour party would implode. Another 4 or 5 years without a labour government would be a huge deal

[The Slim Reaper]

If he started a party that got some traction, it would be quite interesting. However, i don't think it would affect the current labour party for a year or 2 at the earliest. If corbyns party did well enough to let the tories back in, i think the labour party would implode. Another 4 or 5 years without a labour government would be a huge deal

When the labour party worked to prevent a labour government from 15-19, it was a big deal then, but I guess it was ok because a left wing government was unpalatable to the labour party (not the members or the base - just the party leader's) but now there is no difference between labour and the Tories it wouldn't make any difference which party gets the next 4 or 5 years.

[arista]

He is predicted to win his seat
as an independent.

Starting a Political Party
is expensive.

OK for rich fellas like Richard Tice.

[arista]

Starmer was in the studio
of bbc1 AM

The presenter told him it's more like
3 months before
the leader says we have a General Election date

Starmer Demands the Date now????

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The Labour Party would need a record swing in votes at the next general election to win a majority in the House of Commons, according to analysis of the new electoral map.

The next election will be fought on new constituency boundaries, redrawn to reflect population changes and to try to even out voter numbers in each area.

An analysis of these changes for BBC News, ITV News, Sky News and the Press Association suggests Labour needs a national swing of 12.7% to win with just a small majority.

That's considerably higher than the 10.2% achieved by Tony Blair in 1997 and higher even than the 12% achieved by Clement Attlee in 1945.

The swing from the Conservatives to Labour would need to be uniform, to follow the same pattern everywhere, with other parties seeing no change in performance since 2019.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67361138

[Oliver_W]

It won't just need people to not want the Tories, it'd need them to want (with a capital W) Labour.

Despite current projections, I wouldn't be surprised if a load of other party/spoils/no-shows allows the Tories to squeak back in.

Unless the Tories REALLY eff things up, or unless Labour REALLY inpresses people.

[bots]

it could have a positive effect and really mobilise the labour vote, but lets be honest the best likely outcome for labour is a minority government

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour put up a candidate with transphobic views, and this is how it turned out.

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[Liam-]

Love it for two reasons, 1, open bigotry lost and that’s great, 2, it’s given the tories a mass of false hope that’s going to be glorious to see deflate when Khan wins reelection.

Hopefully this result is copied in the general and that venomous bigot on the Labour benches loses her seat the same way

[Oliver_W]

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Is that really the "transphobic" thing about which people were whinging?

It's literally nothing.

[Oliver_W]

It appears there's more to it than the locals reacting to rather mild tweets:

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[The Slim Reaper]

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Is that really the "transphobic" thing about which people were whinging?

It's literally nothing.

Liking this post was more of an issue

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE_kc-WEAAganD?format=jpg&name=small

Hackney is also a large BAME area, and I have no doubt they also didn't appreciate being used as a counter punch to a different kind of bigotry to racism.

[Oliver_W]

Liking this post was more of an issue

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE_kc-WEAAganD?format=jpg&name=small

Hackney is also a large BAME area, and I have no doubt they also didn't appreciate being used as a counter punch to a different kind of bigotry to racism.

I wasn't aware of her liking that tweet.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Oliver_W]

Any kind of statehood should be dependent upon the removal Hamas, and a proper election in Palestine. Though there's a lot of turkeys voting for Christmas around, so they'd probably elect them (or something similar) right back in.

[arista]

Labour put up a candidate with transphobic views, and this is how it turned out.

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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/19/12/80221807-0-image-m-29_1705667978709.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12983229/Labour-lose-council-election-tearing-apart-trans-row-Candidate-suffers-shock-loss-Tories-east-London-forced-apologise-social-media-posts-claimed-trans-women-not-female.html

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/22/11/80303011-12991319-image-a-3_1705921327197.jpg

Today

[Oliver_W]

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Today

What time?

[arista]

What time?


10:35AM.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12991319/Keir-Starmer-Thatcher-society-charities-speech-Labour-election.html

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[arista]

The Online Paper

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[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer
has been warned that any promise
to match Tory tax cuts would
mean further cuts to public service,
reports the I.]

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[arista]

Starmer now Live
on ITV1HD This Morning


First Topic on the Sentence of the West African Killer


He is banning Swords
which Conservatives are not.

[arista]

He wants the local police
brought back.

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

Starmer now Live
on ITV1HD This Morning


First Topic on the Sentence of the West African Killer


He is banning Swords
which Conservatives are not.

What does "banning swords" mean?

I know plenty of people who have decorative swords, but they're blunt and couldn't be used as weapons.
(Apart from maybe a bludgeon)

[bots]

banning anything is a joke these days because it's always available on the dark web. If they mean it is an offence to carry a sword, then it is also meaningless unless the police have the right to stop and search, which won't happen

[arista]

What does "banning swords" mean?

I know plenty of people who have decorative swords, but they're blunt and couldn't be used as weapons.
(Apart from maybe a bludgeon)

Not the type on someone's wall.
Its new Swords from Asia
bought online.


A Mother is angry it is not on the Conservative list,

Her Son was stabbed through his Heart
and died,
By a sword, bought online.

The killer was after someone else.

[arista]

Rachel Reeves MP
is now Live Central London

on SkyNewsHD only.

[arista]

Now Starmer is Live

Same place.

On SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD

[arista]

Ch5HDnews
was at that Labour event.
Top Reporter, Andy Bell said Business Leaders
had to pay £1,000 each to be at that event.

Ch4HDnews Reported,
400 Business Leaders all paid £1,000
to be there.

Sounds to me,
very much like New Labour.