Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/itskaychalamet/status/1524013041268006912?t=Bxfqg4_fAYqmStso3jQ_TA&s=19
Amber Heard stole her ex assistant sexual assault story and passed it off as her own.

[Vanessa]

So no actually you won't believe it even if there's proof in front of you........

That happened when he was trying to stop her hitting him.
Likewise, you woul never believe Johnny was innocent.

[GoldHeart]

Again, WHO thinks it's ok? WHO does?

It just seems to be brushed over though ?, the reaction is as if she did something minor like poured wine on the bed sheets... instead of what she actually DID . Who does that to someone's bed !?:umm2:.

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/An_elf_pirate/status/1511793996166742031?t=T4Pc9apC8-6UzvWW7pgvMA&s=19
This is a picture of them during their honeymoon.
Amber said Johnny beat her up then.
But she has not injuries here. But Johnny seems to have bruises and a swollen eye.

[Niamh.]

That happened when he was trying to stop her hitting him.
Likewise, you woul never believe Johnny was innocent.

I don't believe either of them are "innocent" no and I liked Johnny Depp before all this stuff, believe it or not

[Niamh.]

It just seems to be brushed over though ?, the reaction is as if she did something minor like poured wine on the bed sheets... instead of what she actually DID . Who does that to someone's bed !?:umm2:.

Yes it's absolutely vile, I agree with you 100% The purpose of this trial is to figure out if Johnny Depp was violent towards her though as he's the one suing her for defamation

[Vanessa]

I don't believe either of them are "innocent" no and I liked Johnny Depp before all this stuff, believe it or not

I actually quite liked Amber before all this.
But I'm finding out a lot of things about her that I don't like.

[Niamh.]

I actually quite liked Amber before all this.
But I'm finding out a lot of things about her that I don't like.

I literally had no opinion on her before this, the only thing I knew about her was that she was in Aquaman :shrug:

[Vanessa]

I literally had no opinion on her before this, the only thing I knew about her was that she was in Aquaman :shrug:

I've always liked Johnny and even I know he's no saint.
But he has admitted he has had drink and drugs problems.
From what I've seen their relationship was very toxic.
And my opinion is that she was abusive towards him.
She has a previous arrest for domestic violence as well.

[Niamh.]

I've always liked Johnny and even I know he's no saint.
But he has admitted he has had drink and drugs problems.
From what I've seen their relationship was very toxic.
And my opinion is that she was abusive towards him.
She has a previous arrest for domestic violence as well.

You must know that having drink and drug issues can make a person behave violently as well though and he has behaved violently in the past too (not towards a partner as far as we know) but getting into fights/thrashing rooms etc

[Vanessa]

You must know that having drink and drug issues can make a person behave violently as well though and he has behaved violently in the past too (not towards a partner as far as we know) but getting into fights/thrashing rooms etc

Yes and he admitted that.
But I don't believe he was ever violent to anyone.
She also drinks and uses drugs, by the way.
Her ex nurse testified to that.

[Vanessa]

And yet in her testimony Amber said she's against drugs :suspect:

[GoldHeart]

And yet in her testimony Amber said she's against drugs :suspect:

:facepalm:
She'd probably say the sky is green next .

[Vanessa]

Omg her new PR guy has just deleted all his social media. :ninja2:

[Vanessa]

:facepalm:
She'd probably say the sky is green next .

At least Johnny admitted he has issues.
But she says she doesn't have a problem :eek:

[Vanessa]

Johnny Depp Instagram has gone from 15 m to 16.4 since the trial started.
That's a massive increase in such a short time.

[Vanessa]

A reminder that Amber Heard has tried to get this court case dismissed five times.
And the judge has refused everytime.

[Niamh.]

Johnny Depp Instagram has gone from 15 m to 16.4 since the trial started.
That's a massive increase in such a short time.

But I thought his reputation was ruined!

[GoldHeart]

But I thought his reputation was ruined!

Career wise I don't think he'll get many roles like he use to , that's what I meant.

[Vanessa]

But I thought his reputation was ruined!

I think it's started to change since the trial.
Because it's public, so people can see for themselves.
And people's opinion of him is better now.

[Vanessa]

Career wise I don't think he'll get many roles like he use to , that's what I meant.

He will still work, just not in Hollywood.

[bots]

people can subscribe to a social media account out of morbid curiosity, it isnt necessarily related to popularity

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/mrsdepp_head/status/1523800101587611649?t=fYtPD8X460ovM0T8ezH7hQ&s=19
Lady Victoria Harvey message about Amber Heard is very interesting!

[Vanessa]

people can subscribe to a social media account out of morbid curiosity, it isnt necessarily related to popularity

But they don't have to follow his Instagram page. You can see the trial on YouTube

[GoldHeart]

He will still work, just not in Hollywood.

Yeah Fantastic Beasts dropped Depp from the latest movie . Yet Heard still has the Aquaman sequel on her IMDB in the pipeline :bored: unless she'll get recast ,but I doubt it .

It's obvious Depp's career will take a harder blow than hers , despite people saying neither of them will come out of this well.

[Vanessa]

Yeah Fantastic Beasts dropped Depp from the latest movie . Yet Heard still has the Aquaman sequel on her IMDB in the pipeline :bored: unless she'll get recast ,but I doubt it .

It's obvious Depp's career will take a harder blow than hers , despite people saying neither of them will come out of this well.

He's going to be working on a movie in France.
True, but he's going to be fine.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah if people are 'following ' celebs on social media ,that usually means they support them or have an interest in their life & work .

[Vanessa]

Yeah if people are 'following ' celebs on social media ,that usually means they support them or have an interest in their life & work .

Did you see Lady Victoria message about Amber?
I've always known what she's saying. My instincts have never let me down.

[GoldHeart]

Did you see Lady Victoria message about Amber?
I've always known what she's saying. My instincts have never let me down.

Yeah I've just clicked on the tweet, I'm not even surprised.
I always knew she was violent & abusive to her ex .

[Vanessa]

Yeah I've just clicked on the tweet, I'm not even surprised.
I always knew she was violent & abusive to her ex .
They should get her to testify or give a statement.
Amber is also being investigated for perjury in Australia. Ongoing.

[Vanessa]

Yeah I've just clicked on the tweet, I'm not even surprised.
I always knew she was violent & abusive to her ex .
In Johnny and Amber honeymoon pictures, he's the one who appears to have injuries.
Also Elon Musk had a bruise on his face during the time they dated. :suspect:

[AnnieK]

Did you see Lady Victoria message about Amber?
I've always known what she's saying. My instincts have never let me down.

Lady Victoria also defended Ghislaine Maxwell though and said she was being treated as a "scapegoat" so her judgement is a little questionable to be honest.

Not saying its not true but she wouldn't be the best person to attest to anything in court.

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/apenation1812/status/1524035892146438144?s=19
Amber sister testimony. It appears she lied about what happened.

[Vanessa]

Lady Victoria also defended Ghislaine Maxwell though and said she was being treated as a "scapegoat" so her judgement is a little questionable to be honest.

Not saying its not true but she wouldn't be the best person to attest to anything in court.
But Amber was arrested for domestic violence to her ex wife.

[AnnieK]

But Amber was arrested for domestic violence to her ex wife.

Her ex-wife has said that it was an incident that was blown out of proportion and she wasn't charged :shrug: I don't know much about it, haven't been following the case just pick up bits here and there so there may be things I don't know about. All I am saying is that Lady Victoria is obviously not the best judge of character if she can defend Ghislaine Maxwell

[user104658]

What do people not understand about this?

It does not matter who Amber Heard is, what’s she’s like or what she’s done. The question is “Did Johnny Depp ever physically abuse her”. That’s it. That’s the only question. If the answer is any variation of “Yes he hit her but…” then that’s a yes, even if she’s literally the devil. It’s a civil case, launched by Depp, saying that allegations of physical violence are untrue. There’s both audio and text message evidence of him apologising for getting violent and out of control whilst drunk/high. The rest is all entirely irrelevant.

Truth is I think there are plenty of Depp supporters who deep down just think “Well maybe he did, but she had it coming” but aren’t willing to say that out loud.

[Vanessa]

What do people not understand about this?

It does not matter who Amber Heard is, what’s she’s like or what she’s done. The question is “Did Johnny Depp ever physically abuse her”. That’s it. That’s the only question. If the answer is any variation of “Yes he hit her but…” then that’s a yes, even if she’s literally the devil. It’s a civil case, launched by Depp, saying that allegations of physical violence are untrue. There’s both audio and text message evidence of him apologising for getting violent and out of control whilst drunk/high. The rest is all entirely irrelevant.

Truth is I think there are plenty of Depp supporters who deep down just think “Well maybe he did, but she had it coming” but aren’t willing to say that out loud.
There's no evidence of Johnny ever hitting Amber.
While there is plenty of evidence that Amber hit Johnny.
That is my opinion.
But everyone is entitled to think what they want.

[Vanessa]

I'm just waiting for the cross examination.
Then we will see who is lying.

[Vanessa]

Her ex-wife has said that it was an incident that was blown out of proportion and she wasn't charged :shrug: I don't know much about it, haven't been following the case just pick up bits here and there so there may be things I don't know about. All I am saying is that Lady Victoria is obviously not the best judge of character if she can defend Ghislaine Maxwell
But she could be telling the truth.
I don't believe she's lying here.

[user104658]

There's no evidence of Johnny ever hitting Amber.
While there is plenty of evidence that Amber hit Johnny.
That is my opinion.
But everyone is entitled to think what they want.


There are literally text messages between them where she mentions him getting violent and he’s apologising and saying it won’t happen again. I think you’re extremely selective on what you consider to be “good enough proof”… but it appears you’re not alone and this exact narrative is playing out across social media. A case of a messy, drug-fuelled relationship rewritten as a saint-like almost 50 year old man who got involved with an evil woman in her early 20’s. The poor wee soul.

[GoldHeart]

There are literally text messages between them where she mentions him getting violent and he’s apologising and saying it won’t happen again. I think you’re extremely selective on what you consider to be “good enough proof”… but it appears you’re not alone and this exact narrative is playing out across social media. A case of a messy, drug-fuelled relationship rewritten as a saint-like almost 50 year old man who got involved with an evil woman in her early 20’s. The poor wee soul.

Depp opened up this trial himself, he wanted this to go to court . It just doesn't make any sense why he'd do that if he's 'lying' about everything.

And as i keep saying guilty or innocent , the damage is already done and his reputation will be affected no matter what you think.

[user104658]

Depp opened up this trial himself, he wanted this to go to court . It just doesn't make any sense why he'd do that if he's 'lying' about everything.

And as i keep saying guilty or innocent , the damage is already done and his reputation will be affected no matter what you think.


He opened up this case because the case he opened against The Sun went nowhere as it was found, in court, that there was sufficient evidence for the things they had said about them and thus it was not libel. That’s the only reason he decided to take Herd herself to court. Petty revenge. There’s text messages of him saying as much, also… again I’m sure “not good enough” evidence. They settled the rest of it years ago.

He knows his reputation is damaged so he’s taken it to court to destroy hers too in revenge and to play up to the fan base that he still has. That’s worked better than he could have imagined and he’s drawn in a new fan base alongside (MRA's, meme bros, other assorted incels who are happy to watch a witch trial). They’re the ones pushing all of the social media misinformation, e.g. the supposed “talented mr ripley” quotes which I assume we can now all agree was entirely false?

You’ve hit the nail on the head really - WHY would he start this media circus knowing that it could only do more damage to his reputation. What’s your answer to that question? It’s certainly not for the money, he has more than she’ll ever have. There’s only one viable answer. He started this because he’s (still) angry and he wants to punish her. He’s said so in his own words. This is the mindset of a controlling abuser. Anyone with any real objectivity can understand that.

[Liam-]

Yes, because you’re so objective yourself, the person who said they made their mind up as soon as he realised their ages when they got together

[GoldHeart]

I wonder if the age gap would be brought up and blamed if Madonna, and her toy boy was in this exact same type of toxic relationship that went to court.

[Liam-]

I wonder if the age gap would be brought up and blamed if Madonna, and her toy boy was in this exact same type of toxic relationship that went to court.

Obviously not, because older women are empowered when they choose to date younger men, older men are always just perverts when they get with younger women, it would be called sexist to make it a point of contention

[Vanessa]

There are literally text messages between them where she mentions him getting violent and he’s apologising and saying it won’t happen again. I think you’re extremely selective on what you consider to be “good enough proof”… but it appears you’re not alone and this exact narrative is playing out across social media. A case of a messy, drug-fuelled relationship rewritten as a saint-like almost 50 year old man who got involved with an evil woman in her early 20’s. The poor wee soul.
There's no evidence that he hit her.

[Vanessa]

There's plenty of evidence that shows she was abusive.
Clips where she says she can't promise she won't get violent again.
But of course that's OK, because she's a woman

[Vanessa]

Some of her fans are saying we should support her even if it comes out that she's lying :umm2:

[Vanessa]

This is from someone who knew Amber

[GoldHeart]

Some of her fans are saying we should support her even if it comes out that she's lying :umm2:

That says it all really :facepalm:

[GoldHeart]

Obviously not, because older women are empowered when they choose to date younger men, older men are always just perverts when they get with younger women, it would be called sexist to make it a point of contention

Yep classic DOUBLE STANDARDS :bored: .

[Vanessa]

That says it all really :facepalm:

Have a look what someone who knew her said about Amber. It's even worse than I thought!

[GoldHeart]

Have a look what someone who knew her said about Amber. It's even worse than I thought!

It's really disturbing

Good job this toxic relationship ended before things got even worse!.

[Vanessa]

It's really disturbing

Good job this toxic relationship ended before things got even worse!.
She's someone who can't control her anger.
Unhinged and deranged.

[GoldHeart]

She's someone who can't control her anger.
Unhinged and deranged.

She lied about having PTSD aswell wow :shocked:

[Vanessa]

She lied about having PTSD aswell wow :shocked:

Yes, she doesn't have it. More likely Johnny has it from the abuse from her.

[user104658]

Yes, because you’re so objective yourself, the person who said they made their mind up as soon as he realised their ages when they got together

What does that have to do with objectivity? It’s a huge part of my opinions on this whole thing, yes, certainly not all of it. He was in his mid to late 40's when they met and she was in her early 20's. That’s a huge defining factor in any relationship, although I know some people tell themselves that people suddenly pop into full adulthood at 21 (or even 18, for the truly deluded).

Obviously not, because older women are empowered when they choose to date younger men, older men are always just perverts when they get with younger women, it would be called sexist to make it a point of contention


I feel no differently at all about when it’s an older woman, it’s also not about being a pervert, it’s about the inevitable vast difference in life experience. Especially in a relationship, a 45 year old is simply bringing a lot more history into it than a 25 year old, and thus are far more likely to be the dominant influence on that relationship. Johnny Depp brought alcohol, cocaine and trashed hotel rooms. These are uncontested facts. Their relationship being messy is a no-brainer.

[Beso]

He opened up this case because the case he opened against The Sun went nowhere as it was found, in court, that there was sufficient evidence for the things they had said about them and thus it was not libel. That’s the only reason he decided to take Herd herself to court. Petty revenge. There’s text messages of him saying as much, also… again I’m sure “not good enough” evidence. They settled the rest of it years ago.

He knows his reputation is damaged so he’s taken it to court to destroy hers too in revenge and to play up to the fan base that he still has. That’s worked better than he could have imagined and he’s drawn in a new fan base alongside (MRA's, meme bros, other assorted incels who are happy to watch a witch trial). They’re the ones pushing all of the social media misinformation, e.g. the supposed “talented mr ripley” quotes which I assume we can now all agree was entirely false?

You’ve hit the nail on the head really - WHY would he start this media circus knowing that it could only do more damage to his reputation. What’s your answer to that question? It’s certainly not for the money, he has more than she’ll ever have. There’s only one viable answer. He started this because he’s (still) angry and he wants to punish her. He’s said so in his own words. This is the mindset of a controlling abuser. Anyone with any real objectivity can understand that.



He started this absurdity when his drug mangled mind couldnt recognise when a greedy lawyer was after some easy money by telling him it would be a good idea,

[GoldHeart]

I don't think it's fair though to assume just because Depp was older that he automatically had a "dominant influence" , i mean yes it does happen especially with young naive people who haven't had much life experiences . And i understand the whole maturity thing as i myself have questioned some people's motives who get with really old or really young people.

And yes mentally people's brain's don't fully mature until they're 25 (everyone is different though) i would say, and even then they probably wouldn't make the same silly mistakes they made when they turn 40. So yeah some need alot of growing up to do.

But Heard had already had a few relationships and had a history of violence. It's not like she was some Amish virgin girl out of touch with drugs , alcohol , men and sex. She was not innocent and it looks like something was going on with James Franco , whilst she was with Johnny Depp.

Regardless of age people can still be bullied and abused by the other person, anyone can be vulnerable. Depp's age is irrelevant considering they were both adults when they met, he was not some evil predator that chased her . She knew he had addiction problems.

You could argue 'why didn't Depp leave ' as he must have so much life experience at his age that he knew the best thing would be to get out . But he said he didn't want to because his dad did the same thing to his mum , that right there proves there's alot of psychological issues and that he's a broken man.

[Beso]

I wonder if the age gap would be brought up and blamed if Madonna, and her toy boy was in this exact same type of toxic relationship that went to court.

Madonna's about 80 now, her toyboy would be Depp's age.

[Beso]

I wonder if the age gap would be brought up and blamed if Madonna, and her toy boy was in this exact same type of toxic relationship that went to court.

I don't think it's fair though to assume just because Depp was older that he automatically had a "dominant influence" , i mean yes it does happen especially with young naive people who haven't had much life experiences . And i understand the whole maturity thing as i myself have questioned some people's motives who get with really old or really young people.

And yes mentally people's brain's don't fully mature until they're 25 (everyone is different though) i would say, and even then they probably wouldn't make the same silly mistakes they made when they turn 40. So yeah some need alot of growing up to do.

But Heard had already had a few relationships and had a history of violence. It's not like she was some Amish virgin girl out of touch with drugs , alcohol , men and sex. She was not innocent and it looks like something was going on with James Franco , whilst she was with Johnny Depp.

Regardless of age people can still be bullied and abused by the other person, anyone can be vulnerable. Depp's age is irrelevant considering they were both adults when they met, he was not some evil predator that chased her . She knew he had addiction problems.

You could argue 'why didn't Depp leave ' as he must have so much life experience at his age that he knew the best thing would be to get out . But he said he didn't want to because his dad did the same thing to his mum , that right there proves there's alot of psychological issues and that he's a broken man.



But Heard had already had a few relationships and had a history of violence





Actions of an immature mind In an adults world.

[user104658]

He started this absurdity when his drug mangled mind couldnt recognise when a greedy lawyer was after some easy money by telling him it would be a good idea,


I suspect you’re probably right there Parmy. Not necessarily that he was on drugs when he agreed to it - but that the only “winners” in any of this are going to be the lawyers getting paid millions in a case that’s likely to go nowhere. I agree that any legal representation who advised him any of this was a good idea is very dodgy. That goes right back to the initial action against the tabloids, long before they had the idea to go after Heard herself (when trying with the papers failed).

[GoldHeart]

I think Heard's maturity level is just the tip ,seen as she's been diagnosed with ' personality disorder' .

And back to the topic of someone having a "bad influence" on their partner or even friend, yes i agree it can happen.

But i just don't see that with Heard. I mean is it plausible she got more involved with drugs due to Depp's substance abuse , yes possibly as she's around it .But she doesn't exactly come across as someone who would be forced into something. She has alot of problems herself .

And Depp already knows his reputation is damaged, this court case and law suit is not about money (only for the lawyers of course), but for Depp i think he just want's to clear his name or atleast lay all his cards out and be candid . He knows he's risking everything , but he probably already thinks he's lost everything now.

[Beso]

Drug abuser loses everything....poor me poor me....poor me another one.

[bots]

it's pretty obvious to me that they both escalated things in their relationship. Drugs and alcohol can screw a relationship up very quickly

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/Bloodloss_Movie/status/1524083244693704704?t=Cib54RPBaevuPevz6xjeBA&s=19
This is what Lady Victoria said about the case

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/BeautyFoodBlog/status/1524066239798198272?t=ETZBqYzyr-FsDYfYJrJCHA&s=1A
Amber telling her plan to Johnny

[GoldHeart]

So far from what I've seen ,the only thing I think Depp is lying about is the amount of drugs he took on their honeymoon. And I think it's because he's ashamed & embarrassed.

[user104658]

So far from what I've seen ,the only thing I think Depp is lying about is the amount of drugs he took on their honeymoon. And I think it's because he's ashamed & embarrassed.


Or, y’know, because he has a documented history of getting aggressive/violent when he’s been taking a lot of drugs.

[Vanessa]

Amber also drinks and uses drugs. As testified by her ex nurse, who said she has a drink and cocaine problem.
Amber herself told her that.
So her drug use could also lead her to be violent.

[Niamh.]

Amber also drinks and uses drugs. As testified by her ex nurse, who said she has a drink and cocaine problem.
Amber herself told her that.
So her drug use could also lead her to be violent.

The key word

[Vanessa]

The key word

I don't think Johnny was violent to her. I think Amber definitely violent to him.
But that's just my opinion.

[Niamh.]

I don't think Johnny was violent to her. I think Amber definitely violent to him.
But that's just my opinion.

Too late, you said also :hee:

[Vanessa]

Too late, you said also :hee:

I never said Johnny was violent TO Amber.
He smashed some cabinets, that happened after be found out his mother died and someone that worked' for him was stealing millions.

[user104658]

Amber also drinks and uses drugs. As testified by her ex nurse, who said she has a drink and cocaine problem.
Amber herself told her that.
So her drug use could also lead her to be violent.

I don't know why you keep hammering this point home... I've never once disputed that Amber Heard has probably been violent towards Johnny Depp. I don't think anyone has? That's not what the trial is about. Yes she clearly did also have substance abuse problems, it was clearly another big part of their toxic relationship. Alongside violence.

But here's what the court case is about;

1) Amber Heard wrote about experiencing violence from Johnny Depp during their relationship.

2) He claims he was never violent and so the above is defamation.

3) The ONLY question is if Depp has ever gotten physical with Heard. Circumstances don't matter, provokation doesn't matter, her character doesn't matter, the poopoo on his pillow doesn't matter... none of it matters. If he got physical then it isn't libel and that's the whole case.

It's not a criminal trial for assault or domestic abuse. It's a defamation trial. If what she wrote was even loosely true (i.e. if even once he lost his cool and slapped her around - which there is evidence of him admitting himself via text message unless you think he was giving a grovelling apology for something he didn't do - then what she said/wrote isn't libellous. Case over.

[Vanessa]

I don't know why you keep hammering this point home... I've never once disputed that Amber Heard has probably been violent towards Johnny Depp. I don't think anyone has? That's not what the trial is about. Yes she clearly did also have substance abuse problems, it was clearly another big part of their toxic relationship. Alongside violence.

But here's what the court case is about;

1) Amber Heard wrote about experiencing violence from Johnny Depp during their relationship.

2) He claims he was never violent and so the above is defamation.

3) The ONLY question is if Depp has ever gotten physical with Heard. Circumstances don't matter, provokation doesn't matter, her character doesn't matter, the poopoo on his pillow doesn't matter... none of it matters. If he got physical then it isn't libel and that's the whole case.

It's not a criminal trial for assault or domestic abuse. It's a defamation trial. If what she wrote was even loosely true (i.e. if even once he lost his cool and slapped her around - which there is evidence of him admitting himself via text message unless you think he was giving a grovelling apology for something he didn't do - then what she said/wrote isn't libellous. Case over.
I think she's made up the whole thing. This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/Zjblome/status/1228027170628493312?t=5k0oRXnTfM948AVE1YS9bQ&s=19
Depp assistant Stephen Deuters has said that those messages are fake. They've been heavily doctored.
And he's willing to testify under oath that he never spoke to Amber about Johnny behaviour.

[user104658]

I think she's made up the whole thing. This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

It's quite clear that you're sticking to it, as are many people, but my honest opinion is that it's more because it's what people want to believe rather than un unbiased view of events. As someone who genuinely isn't a huge fan of either actor it just seems fairly obvious that they were both a mess before they met, became even more messy while they were together, and things got completely toxic. Based on things his past girlfriends have said (they have NOT been glowing reports - only that he wasn't directly violent to them) Depp has an inclination towards being jealous/controlling in relationships and she had a tendency to wind him up (perhaps sometimes deliberately) and at some point it all completely imploded into substance abuse and violence. That's just the most realistic scenario here - based on all of the evidence from during AND before their relationship. It's a fact that he's smashed up rooms etc. (which is a form of domestic abuse by the way, whether he actually directly hit Kate Moss or not). It's a confirmed fact that he's committed assaults in the past just not against partners (on other men/fights/angry outbursts - these are on record). And yes there's evidence that she's had terrible previous relationships too. Mutual violence is the only realistic answer here. They should just have separated and left it alone and tried to do better in future. Instead we have this mess. Johnny is as much a part of it as Amber Heard... and this is where my opinion diverges; I think he's doing THIS on purpose. Not to clear his name (it would have been better to just let it die down), not for money (he doesn't need it), not for public perception (his fans already unwaveringly support him). Just to get back at her. A continuation of that toxic relationship. His current behaviour in court is odd and frankly worrisome.

FWIW I agree with what was said on the previous page that what I've seen of Amber Heard as an actor isn't exactly amazing, it's bland and forgettable. Depp is truly unique in the Jack Sparrow role and much of his earlier work is quite brilliant as well. If you were to take all else out of the equation, I'm a MUCH bigger fan of Depp's work than I am Heard's... but that's not really relevant to their private lives at all.

I mean... I was also a huge fan of Joss Whedon's work but I still had to accept, with various people's (especially women's) accounts of him as a person, that he's a big ol' creep and basically a bully. It's a crappy thing to have to accept. It does taint his work that I used to enjoy. But it is what it is.

[GoldHeart]

Too late, you said also :hee:

But Niamh ,
Nobody condone's Johnny's anger outbursts, also just because he's smashing rooms and furniture it doesn't automatically mean he put his hands on her. Some people with anger problems just argue and trash stuff, yes it's wrong to do that but it doesn't mean they're all 'woman beaters '.

I think Depp would rather self harm than physically hurt someone he's with. It was a cry for help ..he drew in his blood on walls etc. Why would he tell that story when he knows how weird it could make him look??. Because he's clearly just telling everything that happened ,to let it off his chest

[Vanessa]

It's quite clear that you're sticking to it, as are many people, but my honest opinion is that it's more because it's what people want to believe rather than un unbiased view of events. As someone who genuinely isn't a huge fan of either actor it just seems fairly obvious that they were both a mess before they met, became even more messy while they were together, and things got completely toxic. Based on things his past girlfriends have said (they have NOT been glowing reports - only that he wasn't directly violent to them) Depp has an inclination towards being jealous/controlling in relationships and she had a tendency to wind him up (perhaps sometimes deliberately) and at some point it all completely imploded into substance abuse and violence. That's just the most realistic scenario here - based on all of the evidence from during AND before their relationship. It's a fact that he's smashed up rooms etc. (which is a form of domestic abuse by the way, whether he actually directly hit Kate Moss or not). It's a confirmed fact that he's committed assaults in the past just not against partners (on other men/fights/angry outbursts - these are on record). And yes there's evidence that she's had terrible previous relationships too. Mutual violence is the only realistic answer here. They should just have separated and left it alone and tried to do better in future. Instead we have this mess. Johnny is as much a part of it as Amber Heard... and this is where my opinion diverges; I think he's doing THIS on purpose. Not to clear his name (it would have been better to just let it die down), not for money (he doesn't need it), not for public perception (his fans already unwaveringly support him). Just to get back at her. A continuation of that toxic relationship. His current behaviour in court is odd and frankly worrisome.

FWIW I agree with what was said on the previous page that what I've seen of Amber Heard as an actor isn't exactly amazing, it's bland and forgettable. Depp is truly unique in the Jack Sparrow role and much of his earlier work is quite brilliant as well. If you were to take all else out of the equation, I'm a MUCH bigger fan of Depp's work than I am Heard's... but that's not really relevant to their private lives at all.

I mean... I was also a huge fan of Joss Whedon's work but I still had to accept, with various people's (especially women's) accounts of him as a person, that he's a big ol' creep and basically a bully. It's a crappy thing to have to accept. It does taint his work that I used to enjoy. But it is what it is.
Those messages have no date on them. I have to wonder why.
If they are fake like I think they are, I cant just ignore that.
And Amber is already being investigated for perjury in Australia.
It all looks suspicious to me.
I'm not saying Johnny is an angel, I just don't think he hit her. I think she was the abusive one has painted herself as the victim, who has done nothing wrong.

[user104658]

Why would he tell that story when he knows how weird it could make him look??

Literally his entire career is built around "being weird" ... like Winona Ryder, Helena Bonham Carter et al... the whole gothy/Tim Burton thing. No one is shocked or surprised that Johnny Depp is self-injurious/would draw on a wall in blood/drinks heavily/does drugs. It would be more surprising if he didn't and no Johnny Depp fan is going to suddenly think "wow what a weirdo" because he's self harmed. In fact ... ... I'd straight up say that many of his fans will relate to him all the more because of it.

[user104658]

Those messages have no date on them. I have to wonder why.
If they are fake like I think they are, I cant just ignore that.
And Amber is already being investigated for perjury in Australia.
It all looks suspicious to me.
I'm not saying Johnny is an angel, I just don't think he hit her. I think she was the abusive one has painted herself as the victim, who has done nothing wrong.

He's never disputed that the text messages are genuine. The only reason he wouldn't is because his lawyers will have told them that, if pressed, the telecoms companies will confirm the messages and that they came from his phone, and if he outright denies them he's committing perjury. So he hasn't commented at all. If they're fake there's no reason for him not to say "I didn't send those messages" but he never has.

[Vanessa]

If Amber had taken some responsibility I'd me more sympathetic to her.
But she's painting herself like an absolute angel who has never done anything wrong in her life.
Never done drugs or drinks, despite evidence that she did. She just keeps lying all the time.
I can't support a liar.

[bots]

when you get into the world of celeb, the weirder the person the more popular they are. There are so many examples

[Vanessa]

He's never disputed that the text messages are genuine. The only reason he wouldn't is because his lawyers will have told them that, if pressed, the telecoms companies will confirm the messages and that they came from his phone, and if he outright denies them he's committing perjury. So he hasn't commented at all. If they're fake there's no reason for him not to say "I didn't send those messages" but he never has.

They have no date on them. Hardly convincing proof.

[Niamh.]

when you get into the world of celeb, the weirder the person the more popular they are. There are so many examples

Very true. Like TS said Johnny Depps whole career is based on how weird he is, that's what people actually love about him, lets be real here :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Literally his entire career is built around "being weird" ... like Winona Ryder, Helena Bonham Carter et al... the whole gothy/Tim Burton thing. No one is shocked or surprised that Johnny Depp is self-injurious/would draw on a wall in blood/drinks heavily/does drugs. It would be more surprising if he didn't and no Johnny Depp fan is going to suddenly think "wow what a weirdo" because he's self harmed. In fact ... ... I'd straight up say that many of his fans will relate to him all the more because of it.

TS it's not about his fans , I'm talking about what the jury and everyone in the courtroom would think. Non of them would have thought him drawing in blood was "normal" yet he still took that risk and told them .

Because I don't think he has much to hide tbh. The grinning & laughing is out of sheer awkwardness, it's like a coping mechanism like I said . He's also an introvert and his shoulders crouch a bit like a turtle.

Polar opposite of Heard who tried to hide her laugher and smirk . When Depp said he got dropped by Disney ,she clearly enjoyed his misery. She had a suitcase next to her with the handle still up which makes it look like her and her legal team are thinking " let's wrap this up quickly" . She darts her eyes about looking all shifty.

Then her mood changes , which looks like she's been coached to look "sad" , which makes it look fake and people can see through it.

A behaviour expert has analysed Depp, and when he's describing his relationship with Heard .. it's like he's reliving it . Which makes it unlikely he's lying.

[Beso]

What the jury thinks doesn't matter, what they know, does.

[Vanessa]

TS it's not about his fans , I'm talking about what the jury and everyone in the courtroom would think. Non of them would have thought him drawing in blood was "normal" yet he still took that risk and told them .

Because I don't think he has much to hide tbh. The grinning & laughing is out of sheer awkwardness, it's like a coping mechanism like I said . He's also an introvert and his shoulders crouch a bit like a turtle.

Polar opposite of Heard who tried to hide her laugher and smirk . When Depp said he got dropped by Disney ,she clearly enjoyed his misery. She had a suitcase next to her with the handle still up which makes it look like her and her legal team are thinking " let's wrap this up quickly" . She darts her eyes about looking all shifty.

Then her mood changes , which looks like she's been coached to look "sad" , which makes it look fake and people can see through it.

A behaviour expert has analysed Depp, and when he's describing his relationship with Heard .. it's like he's reliving it . Which makes it unlikely he's lying.

Amber and her lawyers have tried to shut down this case five times. You have to wonder why , if she isn't lying.
If I was telling the truth no way I would want to close the case. I'd want it to continue.

[bots]

Amber and her lawyers have tried to shut down this case five times. You have to wonder why , if she isn't lying.
If I was telling the truth no way I would want to close the case. I'd want it to continue.

the aim for her is to shut the case down, because Depp is suing her. Thats perfectly normal

[Vanessa]

the aim for her is to shut the case down, because Depp is suing her. Thats perfectly normal

And yet the judge has refused five times. The judge must think there's enough evidence to carry on the case.

[GoldHeart]

Amber and her lawyers have tried to shut down this case five times. You have to wonder why , if she isn't lying.
If I was telling the truth no way I would want to close the case. I'd want it to continue.

Exactly...:suspect: .
And Heard covered her face when she smirked ,she knew how bad it would look. And she tried to stop herself laughing in court.

Depp's emotions are all out there , he's not hiding anything. He's just being himself.

[Niamh.]

Why wouldn't you try to get a case against you where someone is suing you shut down? :suspect:

[GoldHeart]

Why wouldn't you try to get a case against you where someone is suing you shut down? :suspect:

Depends how it's done, as it can make you look like you have something to hide which I believe she has.

[Vanessa]

Depends how it's done, as it can make you look like you have something to hide which I believe she has.

Exactly.

[Niamh.]

Depends how it's done, as it can make you look like you have something to hide which I believe she has.

I'm pretty sure a lawyers job is to try and shut down a case against their client by whatever means possible

[GoldHeart]

I'm pretty sure a lawyers job is to try and shut down a case against their client by whatever means possible

A lawyer's job is also about having a 1 to 1 with their client and finding out the truth, even if the lawyer goes along with the deceit for them they still need their client to level with them.

If the person has nothing to hide , I'm not sure every lawyer would ' shut it down'. If they believe the case works in their favour then surely they'd fight it ? .

[Niamh.]

A lawyer's job is also about having a 1 to 1 with their client and finding out the truth, even if the lawyer goes along with the deceit for them they still need their client to level with them.

If the person has nothing to hide , I'm not sure every lawyer would ' shut it down'. If they believe the case works in their favour then surely they'd fight it ? .

I don't think that's true either tbf

[bots]

I don't think that's true either tbf

lawyers dont need to know if their client is innocent or guilty. Their job is to represent them to the best of their ability and that has nothing to do with innocence or guilt

[GoldHeart]

I don't think that's true either tbf

So hang on a second :huh: ... If you're representing someone in a court case , would you not atleast want to know if they DID it ??? surely you need a private confidential talk with them beforehand ?. How else would you know how to play this as they're lawyer .

I know Lawyer's & solicitors lie and do whatever to get their client off ,no matter what ..but surely there still has to be a moment where they both lay their cards on the table.

I know the client may still BS their own lawyer about events but still , the lawyer needs all the information to build a plan . They can't just wing it unless they're a amateur or incompetent :rolleyes: .

[user104658]

Exactly...:suspect: .
And Heard covered her face when she smirked ,she knew how bad it would look. And she tried to stop herself laughing in court.

Depp's emotions are all out there , he's not hiding anything. He's just being himself.

I honestly think you'd have to be blind (or blinkered) not to see how different Heard's face looks compared to usual - puffy, swollen eyes, etc. she barely even looks like other images of her. This would strongly suggest that she's spending a significant amount of time when out of court crying, which hardly fits with the "sitting there smirking" narrative. Depp has been smirking and laughing all through the trial, deliberately mocking and winding up lawyers and expert witnesses, winking at the crowd... I'm not saying that "means" anything (other than that he's getting a bit of an ego boost IMO) but a bit odd that all of this is apparently explainable/justifiable but any vague indication that Heard might smile or laugh at all, ever, is seen as "proof" that she's a liar.

People smile and laugh in bad circumstances and at times that might seem odd to others. Me, my wife and my sister ended up laughing in the front row at the crematorium during my mum's funeral (because of something inappropriate my daughter had said) - I'm sure that looked pretty odd to onlookers but I certainly hope they weren't sat thinking "Oh they all think it's funny that she died" :umm2:

[user104658]

So hang on a second :huh: ... If you're representing someone in a court case , would you not atleast want to know if they DID it ??? surely you need a private confidential talk with them beforehand ?. How else would you know how to play this as they're lawyer .

I know Lawyer's & solicitors lie and do whatever to get their client off ,no matter what ..but surely there still has to be a moment where they both lay their cards on the table.

I know the client may still BS their own lawyer about events but still , the lawyer needs all the information to build a plan . They can't just wing it unless they're a amateur or incompetent :rolleyes: .

You might want to know and might ask but the client doesn't have to be honest, the lawyer's job is simply to represent the client AS THOUGH they are innocent regardless of their own suspicions. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of people never admitting to a crime they've committed to anyone, including their lawyer, and being found not guilty but with their own lawyer still having suspicions about the truth. It's a large part of why many lawyers wouldn't consider going into criminal defense, or will only defend for things like financial crimes and not things like murder. Easier to sleep at night knowing you successfully defended a tax evader than a child murderer, etc.

In this case ... ... it's a civil/libel case. I doubt Depp's lawyer gives a **** what did or didn't happen so long as the pay cheques keep coming.

[GoldHeart]

You might want to know and might ask but the client doesn't have to be honest, the lawyer's job is simply to represent the client AS THOUGH they are innocent regardless of their own suspicions. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of people never admitting to a crime they've committed to anyone, including their lawyer, and being found not guilty but with their own lawyer still having suspicions about the truth. It's a large part of why many lawyers wouldn't consider going into criminal defense, or will only defend for things like financial crimes and not things like murder. Easier to sleep at night knowing you successfully defended a tax evader than a child murderer, etc.

In this case ... ... it's a civil/libel case. I doubt Depp's lawyer gives a **** what did or didn't happen so long as the pay cheques keep coming.

In murder & rape trials .. plenty of lawyers just care about their pay cheque aswell . But if things are being revealed for the first time, then I still think the lawyer would like some light shed on things.... as it makes them look stupid aswell .

I know the client isn't always honest , and I can tell Heard's legal team don't care hence the suitcase with the handle bar still up next to her. Which just looks bad on all their parts .

[Vanessa]

I honestly think you'd have to be blind (or blinkered) not to see how different Heard's face looks compared to usual - puffy, swollen eyes, etc. she barely even looks like other images of her. This would strongly suggest that she's spending a significant amount of time when out of court crying, which hardly fits with the "sitting there smirking" narrative. Depp has been smirking and laughing all through the trial, deliberately mocking and winding up lawyers and expert witnesses, winking at the crowd... I'm not saying that "means" anything (other than that he's getting a bit of an ego boost IMO) but a bit odd that all of this is apparently explainable/justifiable but any vague indication that Heard might smile or laugh at all, ever, is seen as "proof" that she's a liar.

People smile and laugh in bad circumstances and at times that might seem odd to others. Me, my wife and my sister ended up laughing in the front row at the crematorium during my mum's funeral (because of something inappropriate my daughter had said) - I'm sure that looked pretty odd to onlookers but I certainly hope they weren't sat thinking "Oh they all think it's funny that she died" :umm2:

She was trying way too hard to cry. But no tears came out.
She would have been more believe if it wasn't so over the top.

[user104658]

She was trying way too hard to cry. But no tears came out.
She would have been more believe if it wasn't so over the top.

You don't think she looks like she's been crying all through this trial? I'd say either she's been recently crying, a lot, or she's having some sort of allergic reaction that needs attention. Her face is clearly far puffier than how she normally looks. Probably "faked" too I imagine.

[Vanessa]

You don't think she looks like she's been crying all through this trial? I'd say either she's been recently crying, a lot, or she's having some sort of allergic reaction that needs attention. Her face is clearly far puffier than how she normally looks. Probably "faked" too I imagine.

She has been having a lot of cosmetic procedures. Her face does not look as good as it used to.

[GoldHeart]

She has been having a lot of cosmetic procedures. Her face does not look as good as it used to.

And didn't she say she used a makeup product that wasn't even around yet :facepalm: .

[Vanessa]

And didn't she say she used a makeup product that wasn't even around yet :facepalm: .

The brand confirmed it wasn't made until 2017.
She didn't do her research well enough

[user104658]

And didn't she say she used a makeup product that wasn't even around yet :facepalm: .

...do you remember which products you were using on each day 5+ years ago? Misremembering something is evidence of nothing.

[GoldHeart]

...do you remember which products you were using on each day 5+ years ago? Misremembering something is evidence of nothing.

Yes I most definitely WOULD remember ,if it was a key factor in domestic abuse .

[GoldHeart]

If a bloke smacked me around ,and I used makeup to hide it then YES.... I probably would remember which brand I used.

Notice how Depp forgot that Heard stubbed a cigarette on his face , naturally I'm sure we're all thinking "how in the hell would you forget THAT" .

But I think it's because so much other unstable chaotic stuff was happening that it slipped his mind, until he saw the photo then it jogged his memory.

Violence was such a reoccurrance that his brain probably couldn't process everything at once . Even when he's retelling his side .. it's like he's still processing it all .

[user104658]

If a bloke smacked me around ,and I used makeup to hide it then YES.... I probably would remember which brand I used.

Notice how Depp forgot that Heard stubbed a cigarette on his face , naturally I'm sure we're all thinking "how in the hell would you forget THAT" .

But I think it's because so much other unstable chaotic stuff was happening that it slipped his mind.

:umm2: come on...

[GoldHeart]

:umm2: come on...

Even a behavioural expert analysed it , we'd all remember if someone stubbed a cigarette on our faces as it's so insane .

But if loads of other crazy stuff was going on like hitting and throwing vodka bottles around , whilst high on alcohol and drugs then Depp probably wouldn't remember every detail at first.

[user104658]

Even a behavioural expert analysed it , we'd all remember if someone stubbed a cigarette on our faces as it's so insane .

But if loads of other crazy stuff was going on like hitting and throwing vodka bottles around , whilst high on alcohol and drugs then Depp probably wouldn't remember every detail at first.

But Heard would remember her make-up brand.

[GoldHeart]

But Heard would remember her make-up brand.

But she named a brand that wasn't around yet , don't you find that weird ??.

[user104658]

But she named a brand that wasn't around yet , don't you find that weird ??.


No. My wife’s grandma remembers an entire caravan holiday that her grandad insisted never happened. They had full-on arguments about whether or not this holiday ever happened.

People misremember things.

[GoldHeart]

No. My wife’s grandma remembers an entire caravan holiday that her grandad insisted never happened. They had full-on arguments about whether or not this holiday ever happened.

People misremember things.

That sounds more like the mandela effect ,you've gone into now .

[GoldHeart]

People misremember things yes and can forget thing's,but the way Heard goes about it is more like she's making things up on the spot . I also think she's been coached on certain things.

[user104658]

People misremember things yes and can forget thing's,but the way Heard goes about it is more like she's making things up on the spot . I also think she's been coached on certain things.

I personally think what you're seeing is someone who isn't as comfortable playing to a crowd as Johnny Depp. Beware a skilled orator, GoldHeart.

[GoldHeart]

I personally think what you're seeing is someone who isn't as comfortable playing to a crowd as Johnny Depp. Beware a skilled orator, GoldHeart.

Depp is more composed & experienced , I think his acting skills will naturally come into it a little . But it doesn't make him a liar as such.

When he was being questioned , he probably channelled jack sparrow a bit because sparrow is this larger than life character who wouldn't get pushed around. As Depp is a introvert and more reserved usually.

[user104658]

Depp is more composed & experienced , I think his acting skills will naturally come into it a little . But it doesn't make him a liar as such.

When he was being questioned , he probably channelled jack sparrow a bit because sparrow is this larger than life character who wouldn't get pushed around. As Depp is a introvert and more reserved usually.


........Captain Jack Sparrow is a pirate who gets away with his crimes by being a skilled and charismatic orator. I largely agree with you that he's been bringing a little Jack Sparrow to this trial and I 100% know why he's doing it... and it's working. Yo ho ho.

[Vanessa]

Jennifer Howell, Whitneys friend, testified that Amber nearly pushed Johnny down the stairs and that she has been abusing her own sister her whole life

[arista]

Jennifer Howell, Whitneys friend, testified that Amber nearly pushed Johnny down the stairs and that she has been abusing her own sister her whole life



Could Amber Kill Johnny?

[GoldHeart]

Jennifer Howell, Whitneys friend, testified that Amber nearly pushed Johnny down the stairs and that she has been abusing her own sister her whole life

I saw a clip pop up on the internet ,of her being physical with her sister.

[Vanessa]

I saw a clip pop up on the internet ,of her being physical with her sister.
She also attacked her and threw wine at her. Disgusting way to treat your own sister.
If Johnny's lawyers use Jennifer deposition, this will finally prove that Amber is the violent one.

[Vanessa]

Could Amber Kill Johnny?

Definitely. She's someone who can't control her anger.

[user104658]

She also attacked her and threw wine at her. Disgusting way to treat your own sister.
If Johnny's lawyers use Jennifer deposition, this will finally prove that Amber is the violent one.


She could literally have beaten her entire family to a pulp with a tire iron and it wouldn’t prove that Johnny Depp didn’t hit her. I’m still struggling to understand why people can’t understand that.

[GoldHeart]

She could literally have beaten her entire family to a pulp with a tire iron and it wouldn’t prove that Johnny Depp didn’t hit her. I’m still struggling to understand why people can’t understand that.

So what about if there's a self defense angle?. What if Heard was beating him and he tried to hold her hands and tell her to stop and she continued??. Didn't he use to leave the room before things escalated??. I saw the kitchen video where she follows him while filming him .

[user104658]

So what about if there's a self defense angle?. What if Heard was beating him and he tried to hold her hands and tell her to stop and she continued??. Didn't he use to leave the room before things escalated??. I saw the kitchen video where she follows him while filming him .


It’s not a criminal trial, it’s a defamation case. She says he hit her. He says he didn’t and so that’s libel. If he did, for any reason, it’s not libel.

People seem to be forgetting that this is a civil case trying to prove defamation… it is NOT a criminal trial trying to prove assault or abuse.

[GoldHeart]

It’s not a criminal trial, it’s a defamation case. She says he hit her. He says he didn’t and so that’s libel. If he did, for any reason, it’s not libel.

People seem to be forgetting that this is a civil case trying to prove defamation… it is NOT a criminal trial trying to prove assault or abuse.

But there's holes in Heard's version of events . And why does she put such emphasis on the carpet being "so dirty" and the floor being "white and tiled". If there's domestic violence going on and she's being assaulted and thrown on the ground , the least of her worries would be the decor surely ? .

She also doesn't seem to remember if she threw anything at Depp, and she contradicted herself by saying she's never landed anything on him yet before she said she slapped him. It's as if it doesn't matter that she hit him.

And in the text messages the apology he makes , says nothing about him getting 'physical' with her.... he just apologises for his anger and behaviour in general. And her replies back to him mention nothing about him 'hitting' her .

And when she remembers their first kiss , she smiles and looks happy . If he was this horrible woman beater why would she look so happy? . If she'd suffered so badly at his hands .....then she would now be repulsed and those once 'happy memories' would now be tainted surely?? .

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/JanetRally/status/1524526492067192832?t=jPYeCqy3Iu8u82p-eMCnhA&s=19The picture Amber gave TMZ is from 2012!
She testified that the first incident was in 2013 :suspect:
This is very bad for her. Johnny's team can use it to prove that the abuse allegations are one big hoax!

[GoldHeart]

Also Heard has gone and let something slip ,when she said Depp was pushing her & pulling her hair.

Why did she act it out with hand gestures like she's the 'AGGRESSOR' :suspect: . She also let slip and said who was really the one walking away to de escalate the fight, which must have been Depp .

But she says he pulled her back and grabbed her hair. But everything she describes, is like she's acting out the abuser's actions.

If I was re telling a fight of someone grabbing my hair,I would not use the hand gestures she used.

[Niamh.]

Also Heard has gone and let something slip ,when she said Depp was pushing her & pulling her hair.

Why did she act it out with hand gestures like she's the 'AGGRESSOR' :suspect: . She also let slip and said who was really the one walking away to de escalate the fight, which must have been Depp .

But she says he pulled her back and grabbed her hair. But everything she describes, is like she's acting out the abuser's actions.

If I was re telling a fight of someone grabbing my hair,I would not use the hand gestures she used.

Because she's trying to describe what HE did?

[GoldHeart]

Because she's trying to describe what HE did?

If you described someone pulling your hair what gesture do you use? . Plus she let slip and said he was the one walking away. But made out she was trying to get away from him. Contradictions.

[Niamh.]

If you described someone pulling your hair what gesture do you use? . Plus she let slip and said he was the one walking away. But made out she was trying to get away from him. Contradictions.

I'd probably describe it from the person pulling it's point of view if i was describing what they did.

I won't comment on the other part because I've not been watching the case

[GoldHeart]

Latest on the matter , Heard's bruise apparently 'disappeared ' 6 days later .

[Vanessa]

Latest on the matter , Heard's bruise apparently 'disappeared ' 6 days later .

Must be her magic make up:shocked:

[GoldHeart]

Oops EDIT ......

it actually 'APPEARED ' 6 days after 'alleged abuse', I read it wrong on the video :facepalm: :joker:. I'm watching it now ,but it still makes no sense .

[Vanessa]

Oops EDIT ......

it actually 'APPEARED ' 6 days after 'alleged abuse', I read it wrong on the video :facepalm: :joker:. I'm watching it now ,but it still makes no sense .

And the latest picture is from 2012.
She testified that the first incident was in 2013 :facepalm:

[GoldHeart]

And the latest picture is from 2012.
She testified that the first incident was in 2013 :facepalm:

There's way too many lies coming out of her mouth at this point . Surely this is it now for her ??.

And the bruise that magically appeared was after Depp stopped seeing her ,and he wanted to file for divorce. And she was making financial demands by looks of it.

[Vanessa]

There's way too many lies coming out of her mouth at this point . Surely this is it now for her ??.

And the bruise that magically appeared was after Depp stopped seeing her ,and he wanted to file for divorce. And she was making financial demands by looks of it.
She's just changing her testimony all the time. Adding things as she goes along. Unbelievable!

[GoldHeart]

She's being investigated for perjury I think.

[Vanessa]

She's being investigated for perjury I think.

Yes, I Australia

[user104658]

She's being investigated for perjury I think.

Completely unrelated to this

[GoldHeart]

Completely unrelated to this

What about all the lies she's told then ?

[Beso]

I dont understand why this man(and I say that loosely) is lauded over all over the internet.

This man, who would allow drug taking, who by allowing drug taking has aided in the death and near death of some very young impressionable adults.

A man who was being sued for fraud, before the man suing him mysteriously disappears, never to be seen again, days before he was due to give his testimony against Depp.

A man everyone shouts he is the abused...when we have a video of him smashing up a kitchen, and grabbing a phone out the hands of his alleged abuser. Yet nobody mentions anything about "would an abused person act so tough in front of his abuser" but they instantly jump up to shout it from the rooftops about amber heard.

This man has used and abused all his spoilt, entitled adult life.

Guilty as sin, imo.

[Vanessa]

I dont understand why this man(and I say that loosely) is lauded over all over the internet.

This man, who would allow drug taking, who by allowing drug taking has aided in the death and near death of some very young impressionable adults.

A man who was being sued for fraud, before the man suing him mysteriously disappears, never to be seen again, days before he was due to give his testimony against Depp.

A man everyone shouts he is the abused...when we have a video of him smashing up a kitchen, and grabbing a phone out the hands of his alleged abuser. Yet nobody mentions anything about "would an abused person act so tough in front of his abuser" but they instantly jump up to shout it from the rooftops about amber heard.

This man has used and abused all his spoilt, entitled adult life.

Guilty as sin, imo.
She's violent. She has abused her sister and her ex as well. Also told so many lies.
Yes he has smashed things, but never hit anyone. Not even in the past, when his addiction was at its worse.

[user104658]

Yes he has smashed things

Are you aware that this is a form of domestic/emotional abuse? (As in, officially, not just "in my opinion")

I also agree with Parmy that there's been absolutely no indication, in any of the trial evidence, or during the trial itself, that he's "afraid of Amber Heard". Yes I think he got sick of their by-all-accounts bat**** crazy relationship and was the one to walk away but I think that's because he got old and tired (of the violence, of the binges, etc.)... not because he was afraid. Even in the audio he sounds tired - not scared.

[GoldHeart]

Are you aware that this is a form of domestic/emotional abuse? (As in, officially, not just "in my opinion")

I also agree with Parmy that there's been absolutely no indication, in any of the trial evidence, or during the trial itself, that he's "afraid of Amber Heard". Yes I think he got sick of their by-all-accounts bat**** crazy relationship and was the one to walk away but I think that's because he got old and tired (of the violence, of the binges, etc.)... not because he was afraid. Even in the audio he sounds tired - not scared.

Johnny puts on a front to try and hide his pain ,but over the years there was warning signs he was in an abusive relationship .he even told his fans at an even that he was "scared and wanted to leave" , people laughed thinking it was just him being silly. But now people think it was a cry for help . I don't think he knew how to handle Heard at first ,and I think he wanted the relationship to still work until it took a very toxic route.

[GoldHeart]

Are you aware that this is a form of domestic/emotional abuse? (As in, officially, not just "in my opinion")

I also agree with Parmy that there's been absolutely no indication, in any of the trial evidence, or during the trial itself, that he's "afraid of Amber Heard". Yes I think he got sick of their by-all-accounts bat**** crazy relationship and was the one to walk away but I think that's because he got old and tired (of the violence, of the binges, etc.)... not because he was afraid. Even in the audio he sounds tired - not scared.

Banging kitchen cupboards yes he has an anger issue, he knows this. I think he would rather do that and harm himself than lay a finger on her. And he tried to grab her phone because he knew she was filming him, he's not exactly alone there !?.. how many of us would want to be filmed at our worst / whilst having a breakdown. She got pleasure from it .


Amazing how she has that silly kitchen clip, and loads of audio which reveals no physical abuse . And no evidence that he assaulted her with a bottle . That is the most hideous grim things to lie about! .

She claims he shoved a bottle in her privates repeatedly. If that really happened ,then she'd need medical attention whether she accepted the help or not.

She'd be scarred not only mentally but physically,and would need surgery. She'd be bleeding and in utter agony.
Yet there's no medical reports and no witnesses. Something that horrific would have put her out of action, there's no way she'd be walking around like nothing happened.

[Vanessa]

Banging kitchen cupboards yes he has an anger issue, he knows this. I think he would rather do that and harm himself than lay a finger on her. And he tried to grab her phone because he knew she was filming him, he's not exactly alone there !?.. how many of us would want to be filmed at our worst / whilst having a breakdown. She got pleasure from it .


Amazing how she has that silly kitchen clip, and loads of audio which reveals no physical abuse . And no evidence that he assaulted her with a bottle . That is the most hideous grim things to lie about! .

She claims he shoved a bottle in her privates repeatedly. If that really happened ,then she'd need medical attention whether she accepted the help or not.

She'd be scarred not only mentally but physically,and would need surgery. She'd be bleeding and in utter agony.
Yet there's no medical reports and no witnesses. Something that horrific would have put her out of action, there's no way she'd be walking around like nothing happened.

Really hope they call Whitney ex friend to testify.
She knows Whitney is lying and is prepared to say that under oath.

[Vanessa]

Are you aware that this is a form of domestic/emotional abuse? (As in, officially, not just "in my opinion")

I also agree with Parmy that there's been absolutely no indication, in any of the trial evidence, or during the trial itself, that he's "afraid of Amber Heard". Yes I think he got sick of their by-all-accounts bat**** crazy relationship and was the one to walk away but I think that's because he got old and tired (of the violence, of the binges, etc.)... not because he was afraid. Even in the audio he sounds tired - not scared.

He hasn't hit her. That's good enough for me.
She has admitted to hitting Johnny on tape
But for away with it, because she's a woman.

[GoldHeart]

Really hope they call Whitney ex friend to testify.
She knows Whitney is lying and is prepared to say that under oath.

Imagine lying about such a horrific rape though involving a glass bottle, Utterly shocking and vile . :umm2:

[Vanessa]

Imagine lying about such a horrific rape though involving a glass bottle, Utterly shocking and vile . :umm2:

She also knows that Amber beat Whitney up.
Whitney lied under oath to protect Amber.

[Beso]

Imagine lying about such a horrific rape though involving a glass bottle, Utterly shocking and vile . :umm2:

Kinga didnt even break sweat.

[GoldHeart]

Kinga didnt even break sweat.

That's right make jokes , if someone ' forced a bottle repeatedly inside you' .You would NOT be walking around like nothing happened. You'd be in excruciating pain bleeding and mutilated ,and would need rushing to the hospital . They'd be medical reports & evidence.

Loads of people have ended up in A & E due to silly embarrassing sex acts , so I'm pretty sure if someone abused you against your will with a GLASS BOTTLE that you'd need instant medical care.

[Beso]

That's right make jokes , if someone ' forced a bottle repeatedly inside you' .You would NOT be walking around like nothing happened. You'd be in excruciating pain bleeding and mutilated ,and would need rushing to the hospital . They'd be medical reports & evidence.

Loads of people have ended up in A & E due to silly embarrassing sex acts , so I'm pretty sure if someone abused you against your will with a GLASS BOTTLE that you'd need instant medical care.



It's a statement of fact, not a joke.

[user104658]

Whilst it is obviously brutal and horrific... she said "a bottle" not "a broken bottle" so multilated/a medical emergency is not necessarily the case. Many people who are sexually assaulted sadly don't attend medical services, and the vast majority of those who are sexually assaulted by their spouse or partner don't seek any sort of medical attention.

[GoldHeart]

Whilst it is obviously brutal and horrific... she said "a bottle" not "a broken bottle" so multilated/a medical emergency is not necessarily the case. Many people who are sexually assaulted sadly don't attend medical services, and the vast majority of those who are sexually assaulted by their spouse or partner don't seek any sort of medical attention.

What relevance is a "broken" bottle to just a bottle ,both will do horrible damage. Even if she didn't report it . She would not be able to pretend she's ok after something like that .

She said he repeatedly inserted it into her ,to the point where she thought it was his "fist". Even if she didn't get medical help right away the injuries & pain would still be there ,and she would not carry on as normal.

And eventually they'd be evidence of this brutal attack as it would leave serious injuries probably permanent ,even her gynaecologist would see she'd been abused,or does she not have check ups ?!? come on. And they'd be medical reports . She would need surgery probably.

Whereas Depp got his finger tip cut off ,in a nasty way and there's witnesses and evidence of the injury .He even tried to cover for her by telling people it was an accident,he even joked with kids and said he got "hungry" when he was dressed up as jack sparrow. All the signs were there that he was being abused.

[user104658]

My wife works with victims of sexual violence professionally Goldheart. You’re simply incorrect that there would definitely be permanent injuries/medical attention needed.

[Vanessa]

My wife works with victims of sexual violence professionally Goldheart. You’re simply incorrect that there would definitely be permanent injuries/medical attention needed.

There would be with a broken bottle.

[Liam-]

Sorry, but claiming an attack as vicious as she described wouldn’t require medical attention is actually laughable

[GoldHeart]

My wife works with victims of sexual violence professionally Goldheart. You’re simply incorrect that there would definitely be permanent injuries/medical attention needed.

Are you being serious!??? :umm2: . There's people who CAN'T have children because they've been abused so badly. Due to severe injuries ,and you don't think they'd be medical attention needed from a GLASS BOTTLE being shoved into someone's private frontal area !?? ,I'm lost for words :facepalm: .

What about when she has a smear test ,you don't think the doctor or nurse would notice bruises or scarring !??.

[Vanessa]

I get the feeling that SHE is the abuser, not Depp.
The abuser always tries to blame the victim.
Funny how Amber has accused everyone she dated of abuse.
She told her mum her ex wife and Elon Musk also abused her. :umm2:

[GoldHeart]

There would be with a broken bottle.

Yeah something that 'violent' would likely BREAK the bottle causing further injuries. Or even if it didn't break the bottle , it would still cause alot of physical & mental damage to the person.

[bots]

it doesnt matter how many lies Herd tells, when it all boils down to it, if even one thing she says is true, Depp has lost the case

[user104658]

Are you being serious!??? :umm2: . There's people who CAN'T have children because they've been abused so badly. Due to severe injuries ,and you don't think they'd be medical attention needed from a GLASS BOTTLE being shoved into someone's private frontal area !?? ,I'm lost for words :facepalm: .

What about when she has a smear test ,you don't think the doctor or nurse would notice bruises or scarring !??.

I didn't say "it definitely wouldn't cause serious injury", I said "it wouldn't definitely cause serious injury".

If you don't understand the difference, I can't really help you.

[GoldHeart]

I didn't say "it definitely wouldn't cause serious injury", I said "it wouldn't definitely cause serious injury".

If you don't understand the difference, I can't really help you.

But there DEFINITELY WOULD be physical injuries,if this story was factual and not a fantasy concocted in Heard's head . She's been taking tips from the movie ' Gone Girl ' by looks of it .

[user104658]

Earlier this week, it was revealed that Amber Heard was arrested in 2009 after she and her then-girlfriend, Tasya van Ree, got into an argument at an airport.

The 30-year-old actress was taken into custody and booked for misdemeanor domestic violence after she allegedly struck Ree at the Seattle-Tacoma International airport.

And while the two split years ago, Ree is speaking out in support of her ex-girlfriend.

"In 2009, Amber was wrongfully accused for an incident that was misinterpreted and over-sensationalized by two individuals in a powerful position," her statement, which was obtained by E! News, began.

"I recount hints of misogynistic attitudes toward us which later appeared to be homophobic when they found out we were domestic partners and not just ‘friends.' Charges were quickly dropped and she was released moments later."

Ree continued, "It's disheartening that Amber's integrity and story are being questioned yet again. Amber is a brilliant, honest and beautiful woman and I have the utmost respect for her. We shared 5 wonderful years together and remain close to this day."

https://www.eonline.com/news/771257/amber-heard-s-ex-girlfriend-tasya-van-ree-speaks-out-following-domestic-abuse-allegations

Article from 2016.

Doesn't follow the zeitgeist narrative so people may not have seen these comments.

[user104658]

There would be with a broken bottle.


Sorry, but claiming an attack as vicious as she described wouldn’t require medical attention is actually laughable

Only if you believe the apparently spreading false narrative that she said it was a broken bottle, or an entire bottle, which she did not, and nothing she said suggests that it was necessarily more than the bottle neck, which would have been painful and extremely violating but would not necessarily have caused lasting injury or injury that required medical attention.

But you guys by all means carry on refusing to believe a woman’s account of sexual assault “because she wasn’t injured enough for it to be true”. Jesus ****ing christ. Just gross in all honesty. The exact same misogynist bull**** that has rape conviction rates pathetically low. “you can’t have been raped love, you’re not hurt enough!”

[emoji849]

[Vanessa]

She's told way too many lies.
Adding things that weren't in the original statement.
Her latest stunt : trying to pass a picture of her with chapped lips as her being punched.
And it was proved to be a lie.
Nah, she's a fraud.

[user104658]

She's told way too many lies.
Adding things that weren't in the original statement.
Her latest stunt : trying to pass a picture of her with chapped lips as her being punched.
And it was proved to be a lie.
Nah, she's a fraud.


According to Depp’s legal team. It has not been “proved” to be anything. Did you see this on social media? Because if you want lies, that’s where to find them.

[Liam-]

I don’t think she’s telling the truth no, it’s got nothing to do with misogyny though, despite how hard you’re trying to paint anyone that doesn’t believe her as that, heaven forbid people make up their own opinions based on evidence provided rather than the gender of the accuser, you really need to work on your issue with people disagreeing with you, it’s weird

[Vanessa]

According to Depp’s legal team. It has not been “proved” to be anything. Did you see this on social media? Because if you want lies, that’s where to find them.

The picture is out there. I've seen it and it's just her with a chapped lip. No swelling.
Heard is known for picking her lip, she's been doing it in court as well.

[user104658]

I don’t think she’s telling the truth no, it’s got nothing to do with misogyny though, despite how hard you’re trying to paint anyone that doesn’t believe her as that, heaven forbid people make up their own opinions based on evidence provided rather than the gender of the accuser, you really need to work on your issue with people disagreeing with you, it’s weird


It has everything to do with misogyny, and people are basing their opinions (quite blatantly) on social media gossip and fake news, not “evidence” of any kind. No “evidence” of anything has been offered in this thread whatsoever.

I have no issue with people disagreeing with me but if you’re looking for an “each to their own” chat experience where no one is challenged when they say questionable things - such as suggesting women shouldn’t be believed unless they can show evidence of severe injury (this simply is flat misogyny, in my opinion, of course) - then I’d suggest a debate section is not your cup of tea? You’re entitled to your opinion… you’re not entitled to your opinion not being challenged.

[Liam-]

Nah, no misogyny here mate, women are class, when they’re not making up horrific examples of domestic abuse, that is.

I have no problem with debate, I love our debates, they bring me endless amounts of joy, you should just work on the whole, talking down to people, thing, that’s one the thing that makes people not want to debate things on here, you don’t want a debate, you just seem to like making believe believe you’re the smartest person on every subject, you don’t have to go on the attack quite so much

[Kizzy]

The whole bottle scenario sounds like something from a horror film... I donto know if it's true or not, it seems strange it's the first time it's come to light really. It's all just so crazy!

They will definitely make a film about this one day, you never know they might play themselves? :/

[GoldHeart]

According to Depp’s legal team. It has not been “proved” to be anything. Did you see this on social media? Because if you want lies, that’s where to find them.

All the cuts and bruises she claims to have ,are so tiny you'd need a magnify glass to see them. One of them looks like a tiny scratch on her arm and the other looks like chapped lip/ skin..... like what Vanessa said .

Depp had a SEVERED finger , blood was everywhere and he had a bandage on it. Dakota Johnson asked him about his finger injury .... and he tried to joke it off. But she could tell something wasn't right . Depp's housekeeper found his finger tip in a kitchen towel.

I've seen photo's of Depp with proper bruises on his face.

[GoldHeart]

Only if you believe the apparently spreading false narrative that she said it was a broken bottle, or an entire bottle, which she did not, and nothing she said suggests that it was necessarily more than the bottle neck, which would have been painful and extremely violating but would not necessarily have caused lasting injury or injury that required medical attention.

But you guys by all means carry on refusing to believe a woman’s account of sexual assault “because she wasn’t injured enough for it to be true”. Jesus ****ing christ. Just gross in all honesty. The exact same misogynist bull**** that has rape conviction rates pathetically low. “you can’t have been raped love, you’re not hurt enough!”

[emoji849]


TS you yourself have just admitted that the bottle would be "painful & violating" , so how can you then say it wouldn't require medical attention?? . It just doesn't make any sense, even when a soft item is used in such a sensitive area .... you can still do damage ,let alone a GLASS BOTTLE being forced roughly where it SHOULDN'T GO .

I don't know why you think it makes a difference if it's just the 'neck bottle' or if it's a 'unbroken bottle' , all of these things are still horrible . And by now she would have had a medical examination.

[Vanessa]

Amber Heard is being investigated by the LAPD for perjury. Apparently she and her friend rocky staged the big fight that resulted in the restraining order.
She accused the la police of lying. Yeah, because according to her everyone is lying, except for her!

[Beso]

Amber Heard is being investigated by the LAPD for perjury. Apparently she and her friend rocky staged the big fight that resulted in the restraining order.
She accused the la police of lying. Yeah, because according to her everyone is lying, except for her!

Do you have a link?

[user104658]

Do you have a link?


She does not because it’s more fake news.

[Vanessa]

Do you have a link?

https://meaww.com/amber-heard-probe-perjury-stage-domestic-violence-case-johnny-depp-jail-reactions

[Beso]

https://meaww.com/amber-heard-probe-perjury-stage-domestic-violence-case-johnny-depp-jail-reactions

Try this one....it has more facts in it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9634775/Amber-Heard-not-facing-LAPD-investigation-perjury-Johnny-Depp-case-says-lawyer.html

[user104658]

Try this one....it has more facts in it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9634775/Amber-Heard-not-facing-LAPD-investigation-perjury-Johnny-Depp-case-says-lawyer.html


Along with every other news source on the incident. But no, we should probably heed the words of “meaww.com”, whose current front page article is “DAVID BECKHAM STOLE MY EGGS!”

I feel like I might have to abandon this thread soon, I might actually be losing brain cells at this point.

[GoldHeart]

I think it's speculation about her going to jail, but she's still in trouble for perjury.

[user104658]

I think it's speculation about her going to jail, but she's still in trouble for perjury.

She is not. It was dropped. There's some nonsense in Australia over a minor thing - nothing to do with this. Read the article Parmnion posted, or any of the dozens of other news articles about it on google, not meoaw.com or ihateamberheard.net or whatever.

[Beso]

I think it's speculation about her going to jail, but she's still in trouble for perjury.

Where?

Do you have a link?

[GoldHeart]

She is not. It was dropped. There's some nonsense in Australia over a minor thing - nothing to do with this. Read the article Parmnion posted, or any of the dozens of other news articles about it on google, not meoaw.com or ihateamberheard.net or whatever.

She told Depp's housekeeper "have you ever got so angry that you've lost it with someone" . He told her no ,and he said the last time he had a strop was when he was 14 and his parents wouldn't let him go outside,so he flicked his light switch in a sulk .

She thinks her behaviour is normal, the housekeeper said she looked at him stunned... like it was weird he'd never had a anger outburst like she has .

[Beso]

Have you ever got so angry that you totally lost it with someone....she asked the couples housekeeper.


That would be one of my 1st questions during her interview for the position.

[GoldHeart]

Have you ever got so angry that you totally lost it with someone....she asked the couples housekeeper.


That would be one of my 1st questions during her interview for the position.

It's not Johnny's fault ,that she has no witnesses wanting to testify for her :idc: .

I don't even think her own mother ....wants anything to do with the trial.

[Vanessa]

It's not Johnny's fault ,that she has no witnesses wanting to testify for her :idc: .

I don't even think her own mother ....wants anything to do with the trial.

Unfortunately hwe mother has passed away. Only the dad left.

[ThomasC]

Some of it.

I think she's full of ****

[GoldHeart]

Unfortunately hwe mother has passed away. Only the dad left.

Oh i didn't realise. But is her dad still around? , He hasn't been apart of the trial has he and neither has her sister .

[Vanessa]

Oh i didn't realise. But is her dad still around? , He hasn't been apart of the trial has he and neither has her sister .

Her sister lied under oath for Amber. That's what her ex friend Jennifer said.
If she lies again Johnny's lawyers will catch her out in cross examination.

[Vanessa]

Some of it.

I think she's full of ****

She's a complete nutjob.
How she got away with her behaviour so far, I have no idea..

[Denver]

She is referencing a lot of Depps films in her testimonies

[GoldHeart]

She is referencing a lot of Depps films in her testimonies

She was dressing similar to him aswell , it's like she's still obsessed with him.

[Vanessa]

She was dressing similar to him aswell , it's like she's still obsessed with him.

I don't think she's normal. That's very stalker like :umm2:

[user104658]

People just repeating fake news off social media like it’s something they noticed themselves. Baffling stuff.

People claiming that they’re following it when they’re not. They’re following the stuff on TikTok, Twitter and YouTube and think that’s the same thing or offers any sort of objectivity.

Couldn’t be me.

[ThomasC]

People just repeating fake news off social media like it’s something they noticed themselves. Baffling stuff.

People claiming that they’re following it when they’re not. They’re following the stuff on TikTok, Twitter and YouTube and think that’s the same thing or offers any sort of objectivity.

Couldn’t be me.

Oh god, you're still here.

You might as well stick on a dress and wear a vagina

[user104658]

Oh god, you're still here.

You might as well stick on a dress and wear a vagina


Well the misogyny is consistent at least. We Stan a woman-hater. It’s the best look.

[GoldHeart]

By the way ..not all of us are following 'tik tok', I have been actually watching the trial. I haven't seen every bit ..but I've seen most of it .

And just because people don't believe Heard ,it doesn't mean they 'hate women'. Just a ridiculous notion. I can't speak for everyone,but most of us just don't believe her lies.

[user104658]

By the way ..not all of us are following 'tik tok', I have been actually watching the trial. I haven't seen every bit ..but I've seen most of it .

And just because people don't believe Heard ,it doesn't mean they 'hate women'. Just a ridiculous notion. I can't speak for everyone,but most of us just don't believe her lies.


I was referring to the “you might as well stick on a dress and wear a vagina” comment from the lovely chap above. I suppose that’s not misogyny either :think:

[Beso]

I might borrow that for my new sig..

If your ok with that TS:joker:

[Beso]

Trial starts again on monday..should be interesting.

My verdict is, they both lose the cases they have brought against each other.

[bots]

Trial starts again on monday..should be interesting.

My verdict is, they both lose the cases they have brought against each other.

thats my opinion too, the burden of proof from either side is going to be hard to achieve and therefore win

[user104658]

Trial starts again on monday..should be interesting.

My verdict is, they both lose the cases they have brought against each other.


Of course they’ll both lose their cases, Depp never expected to win he just wanted to see her getting a tonne of abuse online and he got what he wanted. The only real winners are their legal teams who will be laughing all the way to the bank.

[GoldHeart]

I was referring to the “you might as well stick on a dress and wear a vagina” comment from the lovely chap above. I suppose that’s not misogyny either :think:

Prior to that comment ,you were already saying people are 'women haters' though.

[Liam-]

Of course they’ll both lose their cases, Depp never expected to win he just wanted to see her getting a tonne of abuse online and he got what he wanted. The only real winners are their legal teams who will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Or back in reality, he wanted to expose someone who has played the ultimate victim role, as the psychotic, emotionally unstable abuser that she pretends not to be

[GoldHeart]

Of course they’ll both lose their cases, Depp never expected to win he just wanted to see her getting a tonne of abuse online and he got what he wanted. The only real winners are their legal teams who will be laughing all the way to the bank.

You honestly think Depp did this just to see her get 'abuse online ', so what about the comments he's had about being an 'old wife beating druggie ' ?!.

I think Depp was more worried about being seen/ portrayed as something he ISN'T. Of course the lawyers win and are in the money ,that goes for any legal case.

I very much doubt Depp did all this just for 'fun' if that's what you're insinuating. Every bit of dirty toxic bit about their unhealthy relationship is out there in the open.

[user104658]

Prior to that comment ,you were already saying people are 'women haters' though.


I think the entire thing is heavily infused with underlying misogyny, yea. That’s not the same thing really - misogyny can be subconscious, I don’t think the people doing it actively dislike women, they just don’t realise how heavily they’re playing into the MRA rhetoric or how much they’ve been influenced by the social media narrative in this case.

Thomas C’s comment was not subconscious in the slightest it was clearly and openly anti-women, using “wearing a dress and having a vagina” as a supposed insult. Of course it’s being brushed over because he’s “team Depp”. Everyone went magically blind for a few seconds and missed his post :idc:

[Zizu]

At least we get to see Johnny Depp being funny plus this lovely lady . https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220514/de4ba1992913ec927b2455ea39caf01c.jpg
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[Alf]

People just repeating fake news off social media like it’s something they noticed themselves. Baffling stuff.

People claiming that they’re following it when they’re not. They’re following the stuff on TikTok, Twitter and YouTube and think that’s the same thing or offers any sort of objectivity.

Couldn’t be me.You do know that the MSM get their news from social media these days, right?

[user104658]

He’s not even vaguely funny. Even if I believed him I wouldn’t find it funny.

[Beso]

Of course they’ll both lose their cases, Depp never expected to win he just wanted to see her getting a tonne of abuse online and he got what he wanted. The only real winners are their legal teams who will be laughing all the way to the bank.



I hope they have a little giggle at tic toc on the way.:blush:

[Beso]

I think the entire thing is heavily infused with underlying misogyny, yea. That’s not the same thing really - misogyny can be subconscious, I don’t think the people doing it actively dislike women, they just don’t realise how heavily they’re playing into the MRA rhetoric or how much they’ve been influenced by the social media narrative in this case.

Thomas C’s comment was not subconscious in the slightest it was clearly and openly anti-women, using “wearing a dress and having a vagina” as a supposed insult. Of course it’s being brushed over because he’s “team Depp”. Everyone went magically blind for a few seconds and missed his post :idc:




Spot on.

[Zizu]

He’s not even vaguely funny. Even if I believed him I wouldn’t find it funny.


Or if you didn’t dislike him


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[Beso]

Or if you didn’t dislike him


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Do you know him, or do you like his characters?

[Zizu]

Do you know him, or do you like his characters?


I just like him when he’s on chat shows .. he’s a naturally very shy person like myself ..


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[user104658]

Or if you didn’t dislike him


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I had no opinion of him / liked him as an actor before all of this. No I don’t like him now… because of this. Not even just because of the accusations, I can accept that peoples lives and relationships can get ****ing messy… I dislike him specifically because of him taking her to court to shame her, and his behaviour in court.

[bots]

i've always thought he was a creep, so nothing has changed for me

[Beso]

I just like him when he’s on chat shows .. he’s a naturally very shy person like myself ..


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Fair enough.

[GoldHeart]

I had no opinion of him / liked him as an actor before all of this. No I don’t like him now… because of this. Not even just because of the accusations, I can accept that peoples lives and relationships can get ****ing messy… I dislike him specifically because of him taking her to court to shame her, and his behaviour in court.

That's not why he's doing this , you act as if Depp's coming through this unscathed or unaffected by all this.

[GoldHeart]

And she clearly stole the vile bottle idea ,from the movie Gone Girl . Utterly insane & grotesque.

[user104658]

That's not why he's doing this , you act as if Depp's coming through this unscathed or unaffected by all this.


No, his reputation was already damaged and I don’t think he’s doing it “for fun” as someone suggested, I think he’s doing it because he’s bitter/angry.

1) He doesn’t need the money
2) No lawyer would have advised him that it was a good idea/had a reasonable chance of success.

[user104658]

And she clearly stole the vile bottle idea ,from the movie Gone Girl . Utterly insane & grotesque.


Another “idea you came up with yourself watching the trial” that’s come straight from Twitter.

[GoldHeart]

Another “idea you came up with yourself watching the trial” that’s come straight from Twitter.

You don't quit do you , it's nothing to do with Twitter.

If Depp is "Bitter" then what is Heard ? . You talk as if he's bullied her into court to shame her , when she's the one making out Depp is a ' violent wife beater', do you not think he's been embarrassed & mocked? . I mean it's pretty character destroying to be seen as an 'aggressive woman beater & rapist ',you can't get any lower than that.

You mention "misogyny" & " sexism", but Depp has been called "old & fat " by Heard & she's belittled him like she's above him . And other people online etc have called him a " druggie" .

[ThomasC]

Well the misogyny is consistent at least. We Stan a woman-hater. It’s the best look.

Lol.

Is that what you call it, misogyny? Right OK, and what do you call it when most of the time it's the man getting the hate in cases such as these?

[ThomasC]

I was referring to the “you might as well stick on a dress and wear a vagina” comment from the lovely chap above. I suppose that’s not misogyny either :think:

No it's not. I don't hate women. All my friends are women.

I just don't believe Amber Heard.

[ThomasC]

I think the entire thing is heavily infused with underlying misogyny, yea. That’s not the same thing really - misogyny can be subconscious, I don’t think the people doing it actively dislike women, they just don’t realise how heavily they’re playing into the MRA rhetoric or how much they’ve been influenced by the social media narrative in this case.

Thomas C’s comment was not subconscious in the slightest it was clearly and openly anti-women, using “wearing a dress and having a vagina” as a supposed insult. Of course it’s being brushed over because he’s “team Depp”. Everyone went magically blind for a few seconds and missed his post :idc:

I'm a gay man and all my friends are women.

I'm not anti-women at all. I'm anti Amber Heard because I do not believe her.

My comment to you was basically saying you might as well be a woman as you're so about all their rights, will willingly throw around that people are women haters in a case where a lot of the time it is the male who is the abuser (statistically).

You'd have an argument with yourself in an empty room though so carry on sweetheart. I'm out xx

[arista]

"I'm anti Amber Heard because I do not believe her."


Nothing wrong with that
TC

[ThomasC]

"I'm anti Amber Heard because I do not believe her."


Nothing wrong with that
TC

Thank you. No biased either, the only film I have watched of Johnny depps was The Tourist which I liked. Pirates of the Carribbean is not my thing.

[user104658]

No it's not. I don't hate women. All my friends are women.

I just don't believe Amber Heard.


Why did you think it would be an insult to say “I might as well have a vagina” then? The intention is clear enough. You think telling a man that he’s being “like a woman” is offensive. The only possible reason for that is that you believe that being male is better than being female. The comment doesn’t make sense otherwise.

[user104658]

I'm a gay man and all my friends are women.

I'm not anti-women at all. I'm anti Amber Heard because I do not believe her.

My comment to you was basically saying you might as well be a woman as you're so about all their rights, will willingly throw around that people are women haters in a case where a lot of the time it is the male who is the abuser (statistically).

“Might as well” be a woman :joker: tipping your cards again there Thomas, the way you phrase it says it all. I’m sorry that you think Real Men should be MRA’s; I strongly disagree and I’m not about to start apologising for that, or “toning it down” for people in search of a safe space to spread misogynistic social-media-led fake news because they don’t understand (or perhaps don’t care) what they’re being fed. I’m happy to continue providing a counter-narrative on our little platform, you can block me if you like :hee:.

You'd have an argument with yourself in an empty room though so carry on sweetheart. I'm out xx

Not another member confused about what a debates forum is for. Maybe we need an explanation at the top?

[GoldHeart]

She claims he hit her "several times in the face WITH CHUNKY RINGS on all his fingers" , yet the photo after the incident has zero marks on her face. And she never got medical help. SHE'S such a LIAR :facepalm::suspect: .

[Beso]

She never got medical help because she had engagements to fullfill and her bruise kit covered them up.

But you could still see the injuries when you looked closely. Especially the one when he knelt on her back..

Even 2 other people who supported depp before we watched it together admitted they could see marks on her back.

[Liam-]

We stan Camille Vasquez

[GoldHeart]

We stan Camille Vasquez

She's not taking any BS :clap1:

[GoldHeart]

Wow taking photos of JD when he was sleeping/ passed out , why didn't she try and help him ?. When he was vulnerable with ice cream spilled on him ,while he's asleep in a uncomfortable position.

why didn't heard try and wake him or see if he's ok ? . Instead of taking photos and texting them to her friends to belittle & berate JD . If he really had a cigarette in one of the photos,why didn't she remove it to prevent an accident.


In the audio clips we can clearly hear him trying to leave before things escalate,he mentions her slapping him in the ear . Heard has gaslit Depp so much I'm surprised she hasn't burst into flames .

[Beso]

Wow taking photos of JD when he was sleeping/ passed out , why didn't she try and help him ?. When he was vulnerable with ice cream spilled on him ,while he's asleep in a uncomfortable position.

why didn't heard try and wake him or see if he's ok ? . Instead of taking photos and texting them to her friends to belittle & berate JD . If he really had a cigarette in one of the photos,why didn't she remove it to prevent an accident.


In the audio clips we can clearly hear him trying to leave before things escalate,he mentions her slapping him in the ear . Heard has gaslit Depp so much I'm surprised she hasn't burst into flames .



The simple fact is she had reached the end of her tether, she took the photos to try and help johnny. It is her experience that when she engages with him whilst out his head on opiates, it is then that he turns violent.

She showed her friend in a cry for help, sending the photo with a caption saying this is what I wake up to, or this is what I have to deal with.

Big johnny got himself in those states, so big johnny can get himself out of those states...why should she try try and keep trying...especially with a man that's way beyond help.

[Beso]

She's not taking any BS :clap1:

She was absolutely useless, her only defence of johnny was trying to show amber out to being a liar.

So we are left with Amber's accounts, and johnny, out his head on drink and drugs most of the time, so much so he will collapse in a rooms with his head asleep in a wardrobe whilst his body lays in a crumpled heep on the floor, account...no wonder he thinks hes innocent, the drunk druggie cant,nor will, remember a bloody thing.

[bots]

i think they should each give 1 million to charity in compensation for boring the crap out of everyone

[user104658]

Wow taking photos of JD when he was sleeping/ passed out , why didn't she try and help him ?. When he was vulnerable with ice cream spilled on him ,while he's asleep in a uncomfortable position.

He's not a baby and she's not his mum, ffs! He's got off his face on drink and drugs and probably at the very least said some awful things to her, and she's supposed to say "poor Johnny let's get you cleaned up and get you to bed"? Now I'm sure there are a number of ladies lining the walls of that court room who would absolutely love to take that role (or think they would, until actually doing it for a couple of months) but no one SHOULD ever be in that position in a relationship. She probably took the pictures in order to be able to prove what he gets like at times. Turns out people don't believe her/care even with the photos.

no wonder he thinks hes innocent, the drunk druggie cant,nor will, remember a bloody thing.

I tend to agree with you there Parmy; he's saying he didn't do things on nights that I doubt he remembers one minute of to be able to say either way.

[Beso]

Whats Depp like.."you will never see my eyes again"

He just always had to be in control.

[GoldHeart]

You know what's funny is people assuming that Depp only has support , because we "fancy him" or because he's Johnny Depp "the movie star" . But the reason he's defended is because there's no evidence to show he's a woman beater....which is what this case is about , both of them calling eachother names is not the same as assault.

Why won't anyone explain how Depp can beat her in the face several times ,with heavy RINGS on his fingers,yet leave no marks not even a scratch on her ???.

She had a split lip yet somehow managed to still appear on TV, posing with her mouth as wide as a hippo for a promo photo . A split lip would hurt and be blistered... How did she do this?.

After Depp ripped out her hair and caused 'blood & pus' in her scalp, but again there's no evidence of this.she was even on TV all smiles .

There's no bruises on her back and she even had a backless dress on ,so you wouldn't exactly miss it.

So unless she has incredible healing powers , something doesn't add up with her stories.

And the horrific bottle attack ,is the worst of them all. She claims she was bleeding from her private area. Yet no medical reports ,no witnesses and no infection or scarring.

[user104658]

Don't know what to say really. Yes, in terms of the accusations of physical violence against each other it's down to testimony. For both of them. In terms of what we can actually see an hear though;

I have seen videos of him committing acts of domestic violence. Smashing objects, slamming doors, shouting in her face, grabbing, making threats. This is indisputable; these videos have been shown, these are things he's done. I know some people "don't think that's domestic violence". I disagree. It's intimidation and it's emotionally abusive.

I have seen no such videos of Amber Heard... only a few sound recordings of her "not being very nice". It's not the same thing or even close. The rest of what she's supposedly done? All just Johnny Depp's account.

On balance I believe they've both been aggressIVE towards each other at times, but that Johnny has been the main aggressOR and the one who primarily gets violent (slamming doors and smashing objects is violence) when under the influence. There's videos of it :shrug:. Not really much else to say.

[Vanessa]

You know what's funny is people assuming that Depp only has support , because we "fancy him" or because he's Johnny Depp "the movie star" . But the reason he's defended is because there's no evidence to show he's a woman beater....which is what this case is about , both of them calling eachother names is not the same as assault.

Why won't anyone explain how Depp can beat her in the face several times ,with heavy RINGS on his fingers,yet leave no marks not even a scratch on her ???.

She had a split lip yet somehow managed to still appear on TV, posing with her mouth as wide as a hippo for a promo photo . A split lip would hurt and be blistered... How did she do this?.

After Depp ripped out her hair and caused 'blood & pus' in her scalp, but again there's no evidence of this.she was even on TV all smiles .

There's no bruises on her back and she even had a backless dress on ,so you wouldn't exactly miss it.

So unless she has incredible healing powers , something doesn't add up with her stories.

And the horrific bottle attack ,is the worst of them all. She claims she was bleeding from her private area. Yet no medical reports ,no witnesses and no infection or scarring.

In his wedding pictures he's the one with injuries. He has a black eye, like someone punched him.
I've seen Elon Musk with a similar injury. I wouldn't be surprised if she hit him as well.

[user104658]

In his wedding pictures he's the one with injuries. He has a black eye, like someone punched him.

Can you link one?

[Vanessa]

That's the one. I don't see any injuries on her. But look at his eyes ....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220517/f681f28c4ccf0c7de1366e47ab408129.jpg

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