Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?

[Vanessa]

They've been playing the recorded tapes of their conversations. The one the UK trial said were irrelevant.
She admits to hitting him and starting fights!
So that's why she didn't want all this to come out! :shocked:

[Kizzy]

No... I'm sick of hearing about them! And rooney and vary too. So bored of their public bickering.

[Niamh.]

I haven't really, I've seen the odd video here and there though

[michael21]

No... I'm sick of hearing about them! And rooney and vary too. So bored of their public bickering.

Well it's in court so not really public :laugh:

Sign of the times

[Vanessa]

I've been through something similar and for me twh body language gives it away.
Johnny is being honest and truthful.
Amber facial expressions say it all. She reminds me of my co coworkers. And she's the bitch from hell.

[arista]

Yes it on the News every day
Slicing his finger
because she Chucked Glass Bottle at him


From what he has slowly said
She is Crazy.

[Liam-]

The exposure of Amber Heard is delicious, how she still has a job after everything that’s come out over the years, while Johnny was sacked as soon as she started spreading her lies, is nauseating

[user104658]

Whilst I think Amber Heard is almost certainly the instigator/factor influencing how this relationship unfolded ... ... ... I'll eat my hat if the abuse wasn't mutual.

The main difference (from recordings that were shared ages ago) is that he was deeply unhappy with it and wanted either for it to stop or for the relationship to end, whilst she (for what can only be some seriously warped relationship ideals) considered it all to be part and parcel of a "normal" intense relationship.

[Vanessa]

The exposure of Amber Heard is delicious, how she still has a job after everything that’s come out over the years, while Johnny was sacked as soon as she started spreading her lies, is nauseating

Definitely. And it's all on tape. She can't deny it.

[Niamh.]

Whilst I think Amber Heard is almost certainly the instigator/factor influencing how this relationship unfolded ... ... ... I'll eat my hat if the abuse wasn't mutual.

The main difference (from recordings that were shared ages ago) is that he was deeply unhappy with it and wanted either for it to stop or for the relationship to end, whilst she (for what can only be some seriously warped relationship ideals) considered it all to be part and parcel of a "normal" intense relationship.

Yeah, I think one of her exes (a woman I believe) also claimed she was the same in their relationship where as most of his exes have only said nice things about him and how he behaved in their relationships

***Obviously I'm not saying a person can't be abusive in one relationship and not in other but I would say that it's likely that abusers are abusive in most of their relationships

[Vanessa]

Can't wait for her to take the stand.
Her lies will be exposed by the tapes.
I bet she didn't expect for the evidence to ever come out!

[rusticgal]

The relationship was toxic...but I do feel she is the instigator in all of this. However what they both seemingly did to each other was pitiful.
He seems to have carried all the guilt so far so hopefully she will be exposed.

[michael21]

Can't wait for her to take the stand.
Her lies will be exposed by the tapes.
I bet she didn't expect for the evidence to ever come out!

Sounds good :cheer2:

[bots]

if i were Depp, i would have done a runner at the first sign of a problem. You know when you are in a toxic relationship and you will end up in trouble if you dont break it off

[Vanessa]

if i were Depp, i would have done a runner at the first sign of a problem. You know when you are in a toxic relationship and you will end up in trouble if you dont break it off

Apparently she threatened to kill herself if he ever left :umm2:

[Vanessa]

I have to say, since he left her he's back looking like his old self.
When he was with her he didn't look well at all.

[GoldHeart]

They've been playing the recorded tapes of their conversations. The one the UK trial said were irrelevant.
She admits to hitting him and starting fights!
So that's why she didn't want all this to come out! :shocked:

I feel so sorry for Johnny Depp , as his career has been ruined due to this deranged bitch.

I gave kept up with the trial as it's doing my head in , it's obvious she's a liar & a bully . She was the one abusing Depp .

[Vanessa]

I feel so sorry for Johnny Depp , as his career has been ruined due to this deranged bitch.

I gave kept up with the trial as it's doing my head in , it's obvious she's a liar & a bully . She was the one abusing Depp .

At least now everyone knows what she's really like.

[GoldHeart]

At least now everyone knows what she's really like.

Edit ..
What I meant was I gave up following the trial.
But yeah it's about time people see what a twisted nut case she is,I don't even want to say her name . She already has far too much fame & publicity.

[Vanessa]

Edit ..
What I meant was I gave up following the trial.
But yeah it's about time people see what a twisted nut case she is,I don't even want to say her name . She already has far too much fame & publicity.

Jason Mamoa has started to follow Johnny.
Maybe the tide is turning for Amber :eyes:

[GoldHeart]

Jason Mamoa has started to follow Johnny.
Maybe the tide is turning for Amber :eyes:

Always knew I liked Jason Mamoa :love: .
Karma :clap1:

[user104658]

Sorry Depp fans - my opinion is pretty much solidified that their relationship ended as mutually abusive, and that the abuse in their relationship was started by and catalysed by Depp's mental health and substance abuse problems.

Yes she seems in many ways quite toxic/bitter at this point. She got into a physically and emotionally abusive relationship with a nearly 50 year old alcoholic when she was 25. I'd be more surprised if she wasn't like this now.

https://twitter.com/drugproblem/status/1517264284195033088?t=GCxakaGf0FJoPRtwkkYORw&s=19

Depp's demeanor in court recently hasn't improved my opinion of him. Its not "funny".

[user104658]

Jason Mamoa has started to follow Johnny.
Maybe the tide is turning for Amber :eyes:Always knew I liked Jason Mamoa :love: .
Karma :clap1:Momoa and Heard were reportedly friendly while filming the first one and apparently there are text messages between Amber Heard and Momoa "in evidence" for this court case.

On balance it seems more likely he's started following Depp in order to follow the case. He already follows Amber Heard. Taking it as a show of support is massively clutching at straws and IMO indicative of the one-sided view people have taken of this case (which seems to be usually rooted in being a Johnny Depp fan and wishful thinking more than an objective assessment of reality).

Sorry again but as soon as I read they were 48 and 25 when this relationship started, and he had significant alcohol and drug problems when they got together, my view of this whole thing completely changed.

[Niamh.]

Yeah can't disagree with TS here. People seem to want Depp to be innocent because of who he is, he's certainly not blameless in this

[bots]

if he was blameless he would have walked away at the first sniff of a problem

[rusticgal]

Yeah can't disagree with TS here. People seem to want Depp to be innocent because of who he is, he's certainly not blameless in this


No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.

[user104658]

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.I don't think that's true at all to be honest, she's continuing the Aquaman franchise as an established character but her career overall will have been deeply affected. Also you could argue that Depp's career has already peaked (probably around Pirates of the Caribbean 2?) whereas hers was on the rise but that will no longer be the case.

The issue I have I guess is one that other people often don't agree with me on, because there's this firm opinion that people turn 18 and then are adults and that's that. IMO, as they got into a relationship when she was 25, her bitterness/anger (what you could loosely term toxicity) will have been to some extent forged in and by this relationship. She was barely a few years out of school when they got together, he was an almost 50 year old with a long Hollywood career and decades of substance abuse under his belt.

I previously hadn't actually realised how young she was when they met. It completely changes the scenario for me.

I wouldn't question at all that their relationship was clearly extremely messy and codependant all round but I think the abusive stuff almost certainly started with him, and almost certainly when he was on benders. I believe the texts shown from him being sorry are real, I imagine he doesn't remember half of it and was sorry for the other half, that they made dark jokes about it etc., that it gradually formed part of an "intense relationship" that continued to spiral to the point where the abuse was on both sides.

:shrug:

In all honestly the best thing that could happen is that they both get therapy, he gets sober, they acknowledge it as a messy period in their lives and move on... careers included... Neither necessarily needs "cancelling" if its in the past.

[Niamh.]

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.Not in the media she isn't, from what I've seen and read the vast majority are on Depps side

[GoldHeart]

Not in the media she isn't, from what I've seen and read the vast majority are on Depps side

Nobody said Depp was perfect,but it's quite clear that he's been provoked and prodded. Plus it's clear Depp has mental health issues . Whereas Heard comes across as a complete manipulative lying nasty individual. I've seen clips where Depp looks uncomfortable around her, she's a bully .

And Depp's ex's have all defended him pretty much haven't they ?, So why has this relationship been a car crash ... surely all his relationships would have been problematic otherwise if he was such a 'bad' person?. But I guess I'll need to follow the trial closely .

[Niamh.]

Nobody said Depp was perfect,but it's quite clear that he's been provoked and prodded. Plus it's clear Depp has mental health issues . Whereas Heard comes across as a complete manipulative lying nasty individual. I've seen clips where Depp looks uncomfortable around her, she's a bully .



And Depp's ex's have all defended him pretty much haven't they ?, So why has this relationship been a car crash ... surely all his relationships would have been problematic otherwise if he was such a 'bad' person?. But I guess I'll need to follow the trial closely .I don't know, maybe they were just a bad combination? Maybe he didn't have such severe addictions in his other relationships? Of course I'm not defending her either both of the have clearly behaved badly in the relationship

[GoldHeart]

Momoa and Heard were reportedly friendly while filming the first one and apparently there are text messages between Amber Heard and Momoa "in evidence" for this court case.

On balance it seems more likely he's started following Depp in order to follow the case. He already follows Amber Heard. Taking it as a show of support is massively clutching at straws and IMO indicative of the one-sided view people have taken of this case (which seems to be usually rooted in being a Johnny Depp fan and wishful thinking more than an objective assessment of reality).

Sorry again but as soon as I read they were 48 and 25 when this relationship started, and he had significant alcohol and drug problems when they got together, my view of this whole thing completely changed.


And yet Heard has a history of being violent and abusive, didn't she beat her ex up ?.

I don't remember hearing anything about Depp being violent towards his ex's unless I've missed something.

Everyone knows he has drug problems and she knew exactly what she was doing when she got with him. She knew he was older . He didn't exactly trick her.

Actually Depp has now got a tainted career, he got removed from the new fantastic beasts movie whereas Heard seems to be getting more roles .

[Niamh.]

And yet Heard has a history of being violent and abusive, didn't she beat her ex up ?.



I don't remember hearing anything about Depp being violent towards his ex's unless I've missed something.



Everyone knows he has drug problems and she knew exactly what she was doing when she got with him. She knew he was older . He didn't exactly trick her.



Actually Depp has now got a tainted career, he got removed from the new fantastic beasts movie whereas Heard seems to be getting more roles .Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis speak highly of him, there was a claim made (granted it was made by Heard) that he pushed Kate Moss down stairs during their relationship. I don't think Kate ever commented on that which imo is a little odd if it didn't happen

[GoldHeart]

Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis speak highly of him, there was a claim made (granted it was made by Heard) that he pushed Kate Moss down stairs during their relationship. I don't think Kate ever commented on that which imo is a little odd if it didn't happen

How would Heard even know he "pushed moss down the stairs" ? , Seems a bit weird he'd tell her . And if Moss hasn't commented then that doesn't necessarily mean it happened.

[Liam-]

Considering multiple of Ambers ex’s have come forward and said she was violent and abusive towards them to, the track record speaks for itself I think.

Also, sorry, but she most definitely benefited from the metoo movement, she took advantage of it to twist her narrative and Johnnys career was immediately effected as a result, Amber, while social media are rightfully against her, has yet to face any consequences for what there is undeniable proof that she did to him and even if he does win this case, I seriously doubt she ever will face any repercussions

[GoldHeart]

Considering multiple of Ambers ex’s have come forward and said she was violent and abusive towards them to, the track record speaks for itself I think.

Also, sorry, but she most definitely benefited from the metoo movement, she took advantage of it to twist her narrative and Johnnys career was immediately effected as a result, Amber, while social media are rightfully against her, has yet to face any consequences for what there is undeniable proof that she did to him and even if he does win this case, I seriously doubt she ever will face any repercussions


Exactly
She knows full well his career will never be the same, mud sticks whether you're innocent or not.

[Niamh.]

How would Heard even know he "pushed moss down the stairs" ? , Seems a bit weird he'd tell her . And if Moss hasn't commented then that doesn't necessarily mean it happened.I know that, that's why I pointed out that Heard was the one who said that, I just find it a little odd that Kate wouldn't at least come out and say it never happened if it didn't

[GoldHeart]

I know that, that's why I pointed out that Heard was the one who said that, I just find it a little odd that Kate wouldn't at least come out and say it never happened if it didn't

But again Moss is another one who's had addiction problems, maybe she just doesn't want to get involved I don't know.

[Vanessa]

Im Team Johnny all the way.
Amber has a history of violent behaviour.
She's bat**** crazy even when she's sober.

[Vanessa]

Also, Amber admitted hitting Depp on tape.
Yet this is accepted because she's a woman :fist:

[Niamh.]

But again Moss is another one who's had addiction problems, maybe she just doesn't want to get involved I don't know.Yes she is, I don't see how that's relevant here though? Surely if someone made a claim about you in public like that that was a blatant lie you'd at the very least say No that never happened.

I read Depp sent a text to Paul Bethany saying he wanted to set fire to Amber and have sex with her corpse, like what the **** is that ****? [emoji15]

[bots]

Yes she is, I don't see how that's relevant here though? Surely if someone made a claim about you in public like that that was a blatant lie you'd at the very least say No that never happened.

I read Depp sent a text to Paul Bethany saying he wanted to set fire to Amber and have sex with her corpse, like what the **** is that ****? [emoji15]

ive never like depp, ive always found him a bit weird

[Niamh.]

Also, Amber admitted hitting Depp on tape.

Yet this is accepted because she's a woman :fist:It isn't accepted at all, I'm not "team" either of them.

[GoldHeart]

Yes she is, I don't see how that's relevant here though? Surely if someone made a claim about you in public like that that was a blatant lie you'd at the very least say No that never happened.

I read Depp sent a text to Paul Bethany saying he wanted to set fire to Amber and have sex with her corpse, like what the **** is that ****? [emoji15]

Like I said Depp has his issues and problems and Heard clearly took advantage of that. Situation sounded extremely toxic. You have to ask yourself what led up to that moment? . But I don't condone that, but I still think he was vulnerable.

Heard is vile she's pooed in their bed ,tried to blame it on the dog. She's physically assaulted him & made threats towards him aswell. She has a history of being a violent abuser. And we still don't know the full story with Moss.

[Niamh.]

Like I said Depp has his issues and problems and Heard clearly took advantage of that. Situation sounded extremely toxic. You have to ask yourself what led up to that moment? . But I don't condone that, but I still think he was vulnerable.



Heard is vile she's pooed in their bed ,tried to blame it on the dog. She's physically assaulted him & made threats towards him aswell. She has a history of being a violent abuser. And we still don't know the full story with Moss.

I never said she wasn't toxic too, I just don't think there's a "goody and bady" in this story is all

[user104658]

"Poor Johnny Depp has mental health problems and was prodded and provoked"

"Amber Heard is evil, nasty and bat**** crazy".

"I'm on team ______"

Pretty much sums it up for me. Not a nuances view that reflects any sort of reality, is it... Goodies, baddies, teams... Just doesn't describe real relationships in the real world. Fantasies and bias.

[bots]

its pretty grim that its all washed in public

[user104658]

its pretty grim that its all washed in publicI agree but such is fame in the end, I suppose. I mean, Will and Jada tried valiantly for years to keep their private stuff private but it seems it all bubbles out in the end if you're in the public eye.

[Mystic Mock]

The exposure of Amber Heard is delicious, how she still has a job after everything that’s come out over the years, while Johnny was sacked as soon as she started spreading her lies, is nauseating

Sadly the Media only care about if you're young enough to make them money.

It's the reason why Amber Heard can get away with being abusive, whilst Johnny Depp couldn't when people thought that he was physically abusive.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah can't disagree with TS here. People seem to want Depp to be innocent because of who he is, he's certainly not blameless in this

Tbf I think that everyone knows that Depp has his flaws.

[smudgie]

Sorry Depp fans - my opinion is pretty much solidified that their relationship ended as mutually abusive, and that the abuse in their relationship was started by and catalysed by Depp's mental health and substance abuse problems.

Yes she seems in many ways quite toxic/bitter at this point. She got into a physically and emotionally abusive relationship with a nearly 50 year old alcoholic when she was 25. I'd be more surprised if she wasn't like this now.

https://twitter.com/drugproblem/status/1517264284195033088?t=GCxakaGf0FJoPRtwkkYORw&s=19

Depp's demeanor in court recently hasn't improved my opinion of him. Its not "funny".

I have to agree.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/25/17/57032065-0-image-m-36_1650904641199.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10751419/Johnny-Depp-heard-arguing-Amber-Heard-audio-played-court-resumes-testimony.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/25/16/57026981-10751419-image-a-4_1650901666143.jpg
[The court heard a number of audio recordings
of Depp and Heard arguing - it was not clear
who took each one but it was one of the parties]

[bots]

ive just read that this trial is set to go on for at least another month! :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

ive just read that this trial is set to go on for at least another month! :laugh:

Oh bliddy hell

[Vanessa]

I have to say, Amber lawyer is so incompetent.
I'm embarrassed for her :facepalm:

[Liam-]

ive just read that this trial is set to go on for at least another month! :laugh:

Honestly I’ll take it, I could watch Depp dunking on Heard’s idiot lawyer forever

[Vanessa]

Honestly I’ll take it, I could watch Depp dunking on Heard’s idiot lawyer forever

She just objected to her own question :joker:

[user104658]

Honestly I’ll take it, I could watch Depp dunking on Heard’s idiot lawyer foreverHeehee me too teeheehee violent drunks are so witty and clever.

[Liam-]

Nah, Amber isn’t funny at all

[user104658]

Nah, Amber isn’t funny at all

Quite right, burn the witch! BURN IT!!

https://i.imgur.com/rYhdzEM.gif

Get 'er Winona! Poor Johnny Depp is Very Sad and only you can help him UwU

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/stirgussa/status/1518378551124189185

In case anyone is still wondering what they're hearing and what they're defending;

Horrible, insidious and sustained emotional abuse. The public support of Depp in this is an absolute mess, what he's doing right now with this lawsuit is an extended part of the abuse - there are messages showing this, explicitly stating that this is his plan - what more do people want?

Again do I think Amber Heard is probably pretty messy herself? Yes that seems likely. Again, she chose to get into a relationship with an extremely troubled older man with massive personal demons and addiction problems, it suggests not being in the healthiest place herself, but **** me... the people denying that he was abusive when there's documented evidence of it and one court has upheld it already. Have a look at yourself and ask yourself why.

[Niamh.]

https://twitter.com/stirgussa/status/1518378551124189185

In case anyone is still wondering what they're hearing and what they're defending;

Horrible, insidious and sustained emotional abuse. The public support of Depp in this is an absolute mess, what he's doing right now with this lawsuit is an extended part of the abuse - there are messages showing this, explicitly stating that this is his plan - what more do people want?

Again do I think Amber Heard is probably pretty messy herself? Yes that seems likely. Again, she chose to get into a relationship with an extremely troubled older man with massive personal demons and addiction problems, it suggests not being in the healthiest place herself, but **** me... the people denying that he was abusive when there's documented evidence of it and one court has upheld it already. Have a look at yourself and ask yourself why.

Oh wow. He head butted her? This trial is so disturbing. What people do to each other :(

[bots]

i thought i knew some disturbed people in the past, but these 2 are on a different planet

[user104658]

i thought i knew some disturbed people in the past, but these 2 are on a different planet

Just her BOTS, he is in fact an innocent victim of Amber Heard. He's SUCH a victim of hers that she was actually victimising him and driving him to drink and violence over two decades before they met, from when he was in his mid 20's and she was around 3 years old. Unfathomable but true.

[arista]

She is Vile

Doing a Poo in his bed,

[arista]

Clever of her to cry in court

[GoldHeart]

Just her BOTS, he is in fact an innocent victim of Amber Heard. He's SUCH a victim of hers that she was actually victimising him and driving him to drink and violence over two decades before they met, from when he was in his mid 20's and she was around 3 years old. Unfathomable but true.

You make it sound as if she's the victim in all this. Like he's some predator psycho forcing himself on young women.

She knew he had mental issues, a normal person would either leave him or try and get him help instead of fueling the toxicity. She clearly enjoyed what she was doing, I've seen clips of him looking scared next to her .

[arista]

13 second Delay Live
On SkyNerwsHD now


Amber showing photos of
him crashed out, after drugs.


The Delay is to cut out her Potty Mouth


She is talking slow
so she gets her words right

[Beso]

Oh wow. He head butted her? This trial is so disturbing. What people do to each other :(

He forcefully checked up her vagina to see if she was hiding his cocaine.

[bots]

how can either of them expect to ever work again. No employer would take the risk

[Liam-]

God she is a terrible actress, even Rittenhouse managed to squeeze out a fake tear better than her ffs

[arista]

God she is a terrible actress, even Rittenhouse managed to squeeze out a fake tear better than her ffs


She says,
claims, the Stress she was under
from him, changed her working on films

[arista]

Back Near Live

SkyNewsHD

She Destroyed his Jobs

[GoldHeart]

God she is a terrible actress, even Rittenhouse managed to squeeze out a fake tear better than her ffs

ikr yet she continues to get work, people are saying it's over career wise for both Heard & Depp .... but i bet you anything she'll still get offers. Whereas Depp will be blacklisted & shunned.

[user104658]

I’ll happily flat out say that the only possible excuse for supporting Depp in this is simple misogyny. The excuses made for him are insane. Yes it seems that it was a mutually abusive relationship fuelled by alcohol and drugs, sure, but that doesn’t absolve him of his part and he was twice her age when they got together. Whole thing is a mess and it would be fair enough to simply state that they both behaved horribly and that the relationship was toxic - but to paint him as a victim, her as a liar/evil, and engage with the memes from the courtroom? Flat out witch hunting.

[Liam-]

You’re entitled to your opinion of course

[Niamh.]

I’ll happily flat out say that the only possible excuse for supporting Depp in this is simple misogyny. The excuses made for him are insane. Yes it seems that it was a mutually abusive relationship fuelled by alcohol and drugs, sure, but that doesn’t absolve him of his part and he was twice her age when they got together. Whole thing is a mess and it would be fair enough to simply state that they both behaved horribly and that the relationship was toxic - but to paint him as a victim, her as a liar/evil, and engage with the memes from the courtroom? Flat out witch hunting.

I would say misogyny or people wanting Depp to be the innocent party (which there is none in this scenario as far as I can see from all the stuff that's come out about the case/their relationship) simply because he's Johnny Depp much loved, attractive, quirky in a lovable rogue kind of a way blah blah blah b ut yeah I've seen a lot of comments on social media that are just dripping with misogyny and basically using this case to "prove" that most women are liars when it comes to Domestic Abuse and are evil

[Vanessa]

If she was telling the trurh then why is she lying so much?
She said she doesn't do drugs, when her own nurse documented her cocaine use.
She took the sexual assault story from her ex assistant and made it her own.
The cream she said she used to cover the bruises wasn't even made unitl 2017.
Too many inconsistencies as well, she's changing her story too much.

[rusticgal]

Both as bad as each other...the most telling thing of all is the recordings and photographs taken by Heard...

[Vanessa]

She was taking pictures of him even before they lived together.
Obvious she had an agenda from the start.
A loving wife would help their husband, not humiliate him. And refuse to give him medicine when he needed it.

[Vanessa]

Both as bad as each other...the most telling thing of all is the recordings and photographs taken by Heard...

Funny that there's no actual evidence that he hit her.
But there is evidence that she hit him.

[Liam-]

‘He hit me in the face repeatedly!’

*shows a picture of a minor bruise on her arm, with no damage to her face*

[GoldHeart]

‘He hit me in the face repeatedly!’

*shows a picture of a minor bruise on her arm, with no damage to her face*

She's the definition of a compulsive liar

[Vanessa]

Men can also be victim's of domestic violence.
And I believe she's an abuser. She was arrested for domestic violence against her girlfriend.

[Liam-]

And notice how the msm are way more interested now that Heard is the one testifying? Even if he wins the case, he’ll still have that stigma following him, because some people are determined to believe that a woman simply can’t make things like this up and they must always be believed without second thought

[Vanessa]

‘He hit me in the face repeatedly!’

*shows a picture of a minor bruise on her arm, with no damage to her face*

She has no evidence of all the times she said he hit her.
And he has a lot of rings. If he had hit her like she said, it would have done a lot of damage.
But all the pictures I've seen from that time have no bruises or marks.

[Vanessa]

She's the definition of a compulsive liar

She's lied so much I doubt she'll even remember why she said next week. When she's cross examined.

[Liam-]

Also I’m sorry, it might just be me, but it doesn’t make any sort of sense for a woman who claimed to have been ‘scared for her life’ to gift the man she’s ‘scared of’ a bloody hunting knife with the words ‘until death’ (iirc) engraved on it, like.. come on

But the only defense Heard supporters have is that anyone that doesn’t believe her is misogynistic and hates women, it’s wild

[GoldHeart]

She was taking pictures of him even before they lived together.
Obvious she had an agenda from the start.
A loving wife would help their husband, not humiliate him. And refuse to give him medicine when he needed it.

Exactly
why didn't she get him help ?? or why didn't she leave him if he was so abusive. I know some couples get in a rut and feel trapped or stay together despite the unhealthy destructive state but this really is something else.

[Vanessa]

I'm not saying that Johnny is angel. He himself has admitted he was battling drink and drugs problems.
But I believe he wasn't the aggressive one.
That was Amber and there is plenty of evidence to support it.
So far zero evidence that Johnny hit Amber like she said and the picture support it.
The only evidence came from the testimony of two dead people. How convenient.

[Beso]

Why didnt he leave her?..

[Vanessa]

Why didnt he leave her?..

Eventually he did.
But she was threatening to harm herself if he left.

[GoldHeart]

Why didnt he leave her?..

Well why didn't SHE leave him , works both ways .

[Vanessa]

And now she's saying that she was the protector of Johnny's kids? :shocked:
His kids don't like Amber. Lily Rose wasn't at the wedding, because she didn't like the way she treated her dad.

[Vanessa]

Just saw this clip on twitter.
Amber telling her mum : Never make eye contact, your embarrassing me!
Another one where her sister Whitney is walking behind her. Apparently Amber had thrown a glass of wine at her beforehand.
I'm thinking Amber and her dad were both abusive.
Her poor mum!

[Vanessa]

Amber to Johnny : I didn't punch you, i hit you.
Yeah, because that's so much better :omgno:

[user104658]

Also I’m sorry, it might just be me, but it doesn’t make any sort of sense for a woman who claimed to have been ‘scared for her life’ to gift the man she’s ‘scared of’ a bloody hunting knife with the words ‘until death’ (iirc) engraved on it, like.. come on

But the only defense Heard supporters have is that anyone that doesn’t believe her is misogynistic and hates women, it’s wild


Why is it framed as “heard supporters” and not “depp detractors”? Depp is an abuser and yes there is abundant evidence of it, already upheld in court. This is regardless of what Heard has also done. It’s not a competition about “who was worse” and then declaring the other an angel. It’s a complex situation and some of the things he’s quite clearly done are horrendous. The widespread support of Depp online is fuelled by high-profile MRA accounts and the whole thing has already resulted in more abused women being treated with suspicion. It is misogyny.

[Liam-]

If you say so

[Beso]

Well why didn't SHE leave him , works both ways .

Well why dont you or anyone say, why didnt he leave her...

you all are saying...well why didnt she leave him then.


Is it because Depp gets you all moist when he dresses up as a pirate?

[Beso]

Bet you would put up with his abuse just for that reason alone.

[Vanessa]

Shes a liar. Can't wait for her cross examination.
Let's see if she can keep her many changing stories straight.

[GoldHeart]

Shes a liar. Can't wait for her cross examination.
Let's see if she can keep her many changing stories straight.

She'll crumble like a house of cards

[Vanessa]

On her testimony she was retelling movie quotes.
Who does that? It's so fake!

[Niamh.]

Also I’m sorry, it might just be me, but it doesn’t make any sort of sense for a woman who claimed to have been ‘scared for her life’ to gift the man she’s ‘scared of’ a bloody hunting knife with the words ‘until death’ (iirc) engraved on it, like.. come on

But the only defense Heard supporters have is that anyone that doesn’t believe her is misogynistic and hates women, it’s wildI'm certainly not a "heard supporter" and I don't think TS is either if that's what you're saying. They both seem toxic

[Vanessa]

She was stealing lines from movies for her testimony.
That's not the only thing she stole.
Her sexual assault story she stole from her ex assistant.

[Beso]

She was stealing lines from movies for her testimony.
That's not the only thing she stole.
Her sexual assault story she stole from her ex assistant.

Johnny checked her ex assistants vagina for his drugs?

[Vanessa]

Johnny checked her ex assistants vagina for his drugs?

She said. No evidence this even happened

[Beso]

She said. No evidence this even happened

I believe her, hes a creep.

[Vanessa]

The make up brand she said she used want even made unitl 2017.
And even if she used another brand, make up cake hide a broken nose or swelling.

[Vanessa]

I believe her, hes a creep.

She's the creep

[Liam-]

I actually don’t think she’s well, this whole performance is... disturbing

[Vanessa]

I actually don’t think she’s well, this whole performance is... disturbing

It's so over the top. I really can't wait for the cross examination. She's going to trip over her lies

[Vanessa]

She took a dump on his bed. That tells me everything about the kind of person she is.
.

[Vanessa]

I've been through abuse in my life and to me it's really obvious who the aggressive one is.
Amber, I'm sorry to say she gives me the creeps. I actually think she's psychotic.

[Niamh.]

She was stealing lines from movies for her testimony.

That's not the only thing she stole.

Her sexual assault story she stole from her ex assistant.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial/

[user104658]

Anti-heard/pro-depp propaganda is being spammed all over social media by spam bots; one figure estimates over 6000 fake bot-created accounts spamming the same messages.

Ask yourself why.

[Vanessa]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial/

It's true. I've been following her testimony.
Everything she said is taken from movies.

[Niamh.]

It's true. I've been following her testimony.

Everything she said is taken from movies.Like what? What movies/quotes?

[user104658]

Like what? What movies/quotes?


She said “the” four minutes in, and then not long after, she said “and”. Both of those are in loads of movies!

[Crimson Dynamo]

As Piers said today

dont forget both are professional actors..

[GoldHeart]

As Piers said today

dont forget both are professional actors..

Does piers want a cookie for stating the obvious

[Jordan.]

Does piers want a cookie for stating the obvious

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR_klfvXEAIY0gR?format=jpg&name=small

I think he'll take anything he can get atm :skull:

[arista]

Jordan

Piers Show is Fast Moving
I record them.

He has more Freedom than ever before
and has Left Wingers on his show


Compared to the Other News Channels at 8PM
He is winning in ratings

[Vanessa]

Like what? What movies/quotes?

https://okmagazine.com/p/amber-heard-accused-stealing-lines-testimony/

[Niamh.]

https://okmagazine.com/p/amber-heard-accused-stealing-lines-testimony/So you are saying you actually heard her use that talented Mr Ripley chunk of quotes? Because in the link I posted it says that claim is completely false and she didn't make an opening testimony "monologue" that her lawyer did that.

In that article you've posted it says Twitter users claim she said that, it doesn't say she actually said it. So I ask again, did you actually hear Amber use that monologue from the Talented Mr Ripley.

[Vanessa]

So you are saying you actually heard her use that talented Mr Ripley chunk of quotes? Because in the link I posted it says that claim is completely false and she didn't make an opening testimony "monologue" that her lawyer did that.

In that article you've posted it says Twitter users claim she said that, it doesn't say she actually said it. So I ask again, did you actually hear Amber use that monologue from the Talented Mr Ripley.
I've seen clips of it.

[user104658]

As Piers said today

dont forget both are professional actors..

I would also add to that that Depp is quite a good actor and also that he's quite blatantly playing to the crowd (both in the room and on Social Media) in court.

[user104658]

I've seen clips of it.

Can you share the links or have they mysteriously disappeared from your internet history as they have for everyone else who claims to have seen these clips?

[Vanessa]

Can you share the links or have they mysteriously disappeared from your internet history as they have for everyone else who claims to have seen these clips?

I'm at work. Will do it afterwards.
I'm not good with sharing links and videos, but I'll try.

[Niamh.]

I've seen clips of it.

You've seen clips of her saying that monologue from the Talented Mr Ripley? Where? Have you got a link?

**If she genuinely did and I see a clip of that I will whole heatedly apologise I promise!

[Livia]

I'm not following the dreadful pair of petulant narcissists.

[Niamh.]

I'm not following the dreadful pair of petulant narcissists.

I've been trying not to but it's popping up everywhere and I agree they're BOTH a dreadful pair of petulant narcissists

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not following the dreadful pair of petulant narcissists.

well they have both lost some netflix stuff and Harry did not go to Philip's memorial

[Livia]

well they have both lost some netflix stuff and Harry did not go to Philip's memorial

LOL.... That's the court case I'm looking forward to watching most.

[bots]

it would have been a lot easier for the pair of them to settle before it went to court, so my feeling is that they are both enjoying the publicity and the time in the spotlight

[user104658]

it would have been a lot easier for the pair of them to settle before it went to court, so my feeling is that they are both enjoying the publicity and the time in the spotlight

They had more or less settled the matter until Depp lost the libel case against The Sun, which put a bee in his bonnet so he decided to go after Heard. There have been messages between him and others that make it clear he, at that point, had no interest in settling out of court and that the aim has been to end her career and reputation.

Both of their careers are substantially damaged; hers now won't take off, and his reputation is wrecked other than with people who are already Depp stans. There's no possible way it's for publicity.

[GoldHeart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR_klfvXEAIY0gR?format=jpg&name=small

I think he'll take anything he can get atm :skull:

Hahaha his new show is a big flop then .

[Vanessa]

https://youtu.be/aca0KWoHtqQ
Amber Heard admitting she gets physical when she gets mad.
It's all on tape.
It will be played to the jury during cross examination

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/KatKatButterfly/status/1470471793228058633?t=wc7zCblqTakbPZfPEZnFHQ&s=19
Amber admitting she made up the allegations because she thought she would be evicted in 21 days and she wanted to keep the house.

[GoldHeart]

https://youtu.be/aca0KWoHtqQ
Amber Heard admitting she gets physical when she gets mad.
It's all on tape.
It will be played to the jury during cross examination

Another thing aswell Vanessa , did you know when she claimed Depp " broke her nose" was also the same day they both attended an award ceremony?.

Her face is all smiles with NOT even a scratch let alone 'BROKEN NOSE' . She would have been in hospital or bandaged up at home if she was injured like THAT.

[user104658]

Another thing aswell Vanessa , did you know when she claimed Depp " broke her nose" was also the same day they both attended an award ceremony?.

Her face is all smiles with NOT even a scratch let alone 'BROKEN NOSE' . She would have been in hospital or bandaged up at home if she was injured like THAT.

She quite clearly claims that he did it after the awards ceremony, in an argument they had because he claimed she was flirting with people at the award ceremony. It's things like this that lead me to believe that people aren't actually following this at all, but are just reading things on social media that deliberately misrepresent what's been said, and then go around repeating them as "facts". What on earth makes people believe that "on the same day as" means "before"? Yes she was fine in the pictures of the event. It happened the same day - but LATER in the day :facepalm:.

[Vanessa]

Another thing aswell Vanessa , did you know when she claimed Depp " broke her nose" was also the same day they both attended an award ceremony?.

Her face is all smiles with NOT even a scratch let alone 'BROKEN NOSE' . She would have been in hospital or bandaged up at home if she was injured like THAT.

She has told so many lies. Can't wait for the cross examination.
Let's see if she lies when faces with the evidence.

[GoldHeart]

She quite clearly claims that he did it after the awards ceremony, in an argument they had because he claimed she was flirting with people at the award ceremony. It's things like this that lead me to believe that people aren't actually following this at all, but are just reading things on social media that deliberately misrepresent what's been said, and then go around repeating them as "facts". What on earth makes people believe that "on the same day as" means "before"? Yes she was fine in the pictures of the event. It happened the same day - but LATER in the day :facepalm:.


So many lies have been told though.

[Niamh.]

She quite clearly claims that he did it after the awards ceremony, in an argument they had because he claimed she was flirting with people at the award ceremony. It's things like this that lead me to believe that people aren't actually following this at all, but are just reading things on social media that deliberately misrepresent what's been said, and then go around repeating them as "facts". What on earth makes people believe that "on the same day as" means "before"? Yes she was fine in the pictures of the event. It happened the same day - but LATER in the day :facepalm:.

Still waiting on her "opening testimony" video as well where she recites the monologue word for word from The Talented Mr. Ripley :idc:

[bots]

I just cant be arsed giving this pair any further attention

[Vanessa]

Still waiting on her "opening testimony" video as well where she recites the monologue word for word from The Talented Mr. Ripley :idc:

I'll find it. It was on twitter.

[user104658]

So many lies have been told though.

At this point I consider anything shown on Social Media or in short Youtube/TikTok clips "with commentary" to be utter BS until proven otherwise. If there are clear, unedited examples of trial footage (that means no "hilarious" captioning or background music) that highlight lies that have been told then I'm more than willing to look at it objectively. I haven't seen any yet.

[Vanessa]

So many lies have been told though.

The biggest lie us that Johnny abused her. When actually the evidence shows that Amber abused Johnny.
She admitted it on tape.
But people think it's ok, because she's a woman.

[Vanessa]

At this point I consider anything shown on Social Media or in short Youtube/TikTok clips "with commentary" to be utter BS until proven otherwise. If there are clear, unedited examples of trial footage (that means no "hilarious" captioning or background music) that highlight lies that have been told then I'm more than willing to look at it objectively. I haven't seen any yet.

Wait for the cross examination.
Johnny's lawyer have plwnry of evidence that Amber lied.

[Vanessa]

She also said that Johnny pushed Kate Moss down the stairs.
Kate Moss said this never happened.
She fell because she was wearing high heels.
She speaks very highly of Johnny.

[Niamh.]

I'll find it. It was on twitter.

Good luck to you because I've searched and can't find anything when I search for it (other than people claiming she said it)

[Niamh.]

The biggest lie us that Johnny abused her. When actually the evidence shows that Amber abused Johnny.
She admitted it on tape.
But people think it's ok, because she's a woman.

Who thinks that's OK?

[Vanessa]

Her sexual abuse story was stolen from her ex assistant. It happened to her and Amber took the story and made or about herself.
Funny how she never mentioned this incident in her original statement.

[Vanessa]

Who thinks that's OK?

She won the UK case. So UK law thinks it's ok for a woman to be violent.
Also some of her supporters said that we should support her even if she's guilty.

[Vanessa]

Good luck to you because I've searched and can't find anything when I search for it (other than people claiming she said it)

I definitely saw it.
Quoting movies is not a crime, but it just seems a bit odd to me.

[Niamh.]

She also said that Johnny pushed Kate Moss down the stairs.
Kate Moss said this never happened.
She fell because she was wearing high heels.
She speaks very highly of Johnny.

Did she? I didn't think Kate ever commented on that accusation

[Vanessa]

The UK judge saw the evidence and instantly dismissed it.
The US judge thinks that Johnny didn't get a fair trial in the UK and I agree.

[Vanessa]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
But I'm firmly on Johnny Depp side.

[Niamh.]

She won the UK case. So UK law thinks it's ok for a woman to be violent.
Also some of her supporters said that we should support her even if she's guilty.

The UK case wasn't about whether or not Amber was violent though, he sued them for making up "lies" about him being violent and that court found that he had in fact been violent towards her

[Niamh.]

I definitely saw it.
Quoting movies is not a crime, but it just seems a bit odd to me.

Let me see it then.

[Vanessa]

Did she? I didn't think Kate ever commented on that accusation

She made a statement. She talks highly of him. Saw it on twitter yesterday. I'll see if I can find it.
Now I'm at work, I'll have a look later.

[Vanessa]

The UK case wasn't about whether or not Amber was violent though, he sued them for making up "lies" about him being violent and that court found that he had in fact been violent towards her

Only because they believed Amber.
Even though she admits on tape to being violent. This was ignored.

[Vanessa]

I have to go to work now. We'll talk later.

[Niamh.]

Only because they believed Amber.
Even though she admits on tape to being violent. This was ignored.

It's not about whether she was violent though, I think we can all agree that she was, the reason for both cases though is whether HE was violent because he's suing her and in the UK he sued a Newspaper for saying that he was and he's saying that isn't true. It seems to me like they were both violent and volatile in that relationship

Also, as we're talking about exes, here's what Jennifer Grey who he was engaged to had to say about him :

she recently claimed he was 'crazy jealous' and 'paranoid', adding that he had an 'ill temper' and would get into 'fights at bars' regularly.

Jennifer, who released her memoir Out Of The Corner last week, wrote that Johnny was 'paranoid about what she had been up to while he was gone'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10792243/Jennifer-Grey-says-ex-fianc-Johnny-Depp-trial-breaks-heart.html

[user104658]

Only because they believed Amber.
Even though she admits on tape to being violent. This was ignored.

Her having been violent is completely irrelevant to a libel case about whether or not he was violent. You understand that they can BOTH have been violent, surely?

[Niamh.]

She made a statement. She talks highly of him. Saw it on twitter yesterday. I'll see if I can find it.
Now I'm at work, I'll have a look later.

About him pushing her down the stairs? (allegedly)

[GoldHeart]

She also said that Johnny pushed Kate Moss down the stairs.
Kate Moss said this never happened.
She fell because she was wearing high heels.
She speaks very highly of Johnny.

Plus Kate Moss had addiction problems aswell. I never believed he pushed her.

[GoldHeart]

It's not about whether she was violent though, I think we can all agree that she was, the reason for both cases though is whether HE was violent because he's suing her and in the UK he sued a Newspaper for saying that he was and he's saying that isn't true. It seems to me like they were both violent and volatile in that relationship

Also, as we're talking about exes, here's what Jennifer Grey who he was engaged to had to say about him :

she recently claimed he was 'crazy jealous' and 'paranoid', adding that he had an 'ill temper' and would get into 'fights at bars' regularly.

Jennifer, who released her memoir Out Of The Corner last week, wrote that Johnny was 'paranoid about what she had been up to while he was gone'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10792243/Jennifer-Grey-says-ex-fianc-Johnny-Depp-trial-breaks-heart.html

Johnny Depp has his issues ,he knows this.

Did he ever actually physical hurt Jennifer Grey though? . Plus she still wishes him well .

[Niamh.]

Johnny Depp has his issues ,he knows this.

Did he ever actually physical hurt Jennifer Grey though? . Plus she still wishes him well .

No, she doesn't say that he ever hurt her, it is a similar story to what Amber is claiming though jealousy, possessiveness etc. Clearly Amber is also volatile so that combination might have resulted in a different outcome to him and Jennifer.

[user104658]

Also if you listen to her account of the first time he was violent (voice recording) it’s pretty clear that she was shocked/surprised by it, although it’s also clear it’s not the first time she’d seen him “messy” with substances.

Which means, there was a good chunk at the beginning of their relationship where things were already complicated, but without violence, and the violence started at some point. That’s how these things often go. And once it’s happened, it’ll usually happen again. The lack of violence in his previous relationships means relatively little, only that things had never gone that far until that first time.

Honestly I think their relationship is one thing (an almighty mess, substance abuse involved, violence on both sides is VERY common in those situations) but this court case..? His behaviour is shocking.

[GoldHeart]

No, she doesn't say that he ever hurt her, it is a similar story to what Amber is claiming though jealousy, possessiveness etc. Clearly Amber is also volatile so that combination might have resulted in a different outcome to him and Jennifer.

What about Heard physically attacking her ex , was that over jealousy & possessiveness aswell ? . Also what type of person takes a dump in the bed and blames it on the dog.

Most of Depp's ex's have sung his praises , surely they'd all have a similar experience ? . I mean it's likely over the years his mental health issues got worse but still.

[Niamh.]

What about Heard physically attacking her ex , was that over jealousy & possessiveness aswell ? . Also what type of person takes a dump in the bed and blames it on the dog.

Most of Depp's ex's have sung his praises , surely they'd all have a similar experience ? . I mean it's likely over the years his mental health issues got worse but still.

Again, I'm not saying Amber Heard is innocent or that she isn't also a volatile person, I've said that over and over. Sure Johnny's exes have said nice things about him but he has been messy and volatile in at least 2 of those relationships (not with them but in their company) The two I'm speaking about are Kate Moss (he was arrested for thrashing a hotel room he was staying with her) and Jennifer Grey (the article I posted above)

[GoldHeart]

Again, I'm not saying Amber Heard is innocent or that she isn't also a volatile person, I've said that over and over. Sure Johnny's exes have said nice things about him but he has been messy and volatile in at least 2 of those relationships (not with them but in their company) The two I'm speaking about are Kate Moss (he was arrested for thrashing a hotel room he was staying with her) and Jennifer Grey (the article I posted above)


I still think some people like to push Depp's buttons,which is a terrible thing to do to someone with mental issues and addiction problems . I don't condone trashing hotel rooms and lashing out in violence, having anger issues is one thing . I still don't think Depp is this horrible 'woman beater' that he's being painted as.

I remember a while ago he was peacefully trying to have a meal with someone/ a girlfriend . And paparazzi would not leave him alone.

He asked them to stop as he's trying to have a meal in peace,but of course they ignored him and kept getting in his face and snapping away. So predictably it ended up in a altercation which I bet the pap guy loved . Similar thing happened with Bjork aswell .

[Niamh.]

I still think some people like to push Depp's buttons,which is a terrible thing to do to someone with mental issues and addiction problems . I don't condone trashing hotel rooms and lashing out in violence, having anger issues is one thing . I still don't think Depp is this horrible 'woman beater' that he's being painted as.

I remember a while ago he was peacefully trying to have a meal with someone/ a girlfriend . And paparazzi would not leave him alone.

He asked them to stop as he's trying to have a meal in peace,but of course they ignored him and kept getting in his face and snapping away. So predictably it ended up in a altercation which I bet the pap guy loved . Similar thing happened with Bjork aswell .

As intrusive as that is, unfortunately it comes with being a celebrity, he certainly isn't the only one to have to deal with the Paparazzi

[GoldHeart]

As intrusive as that is, unfortunately it comes with being a celebrity, he certainly isn't the only one to have to deal with the Paparazzi

But you have to admit they take the Micky and push things too far .I'm not a Kanye West fan... but I remember he had paparazzi stalking his house, at like 4am one time like wtf is that all about ???! :crazy: .

[Niamh.]

But you have to admit they take the Micky and push things too far .I'm not a Kanye West fan... but I remember he had paparazzi stalking his house, at like 4am one time like wtf is that all about ???! :crazy: .

Yes it is awful and Kanye clearly has a lot of mental health issues

[user104658]

I still think some people like to push Depp's buttons,which is a terrible thing to do to someone with mental issues and addiction problems . I don't condone trashing hotel rooms and lashing out in violence, having anger issues is one thing . I still don't think Depp is this horrible 'woman beater' that he's being painted as.

I remember a while ago he was peacefully trying to have a meal with someone/ a girlfriend . And paparazzi would not leave him alone.

He asked them to stop as he's trying to have a meal in peace,but of course they ignored him and kept getting in his face and snapping away. So predictably it ended up in a altercation which I bet the pap guy loved . Similar thing happened with Bjork aswell .

That's a social fallacy anyway that people should be wary of - people don't become abusers, or even murderers, "because they're evil monsters". Look at someone like Rolf Harris, which is obviously nowhere near a direct comparison but I think illustrates my point;

Was he a creep who had inappropriate relationships with underage girls? Yes.

Was he a man who deeply cared, was gentle with, and wanted to protect little animals. Also yes.

We could go down the whole Michael Jackson rabbit hole as well; I believe he did inappropriate sexual things with young boys. I think the reasons for that are exceptionally complicated, that his mental health was very messy, and that he was also a man who cared deeply about people/the world.

The list goes on. And I'm not even comparing Depp and Heard to these people's crimes. I just think he's a man who went too far down the hollywood/drugs rabbit hole starting at a young age and eventually ended up in a violent relationship (and came out of it bitter/jaded). I think Amber heard also went down the same route quite young and it's probably what initially brought them together - and she also ended up angry and bitter. That's what happens in such relationships. "Who started it" doesn't exactly matter and "who pushes whose buttons" matters even less. Having your buttons pressed is NOT any sort of excuse, whatsoever, for lashing out physically... this excuse is made for abusive people constantly and it's not OK. "Well, you must have provoked them..." ... just the wrong way to look at it.

On balance the simplest explanation, from all of the voice clips I've heard and messages I've seen, is that Depp got violent first probably with it only happening when he was heavily under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and it declined from there with her eventually deliberately provoking him and also getting physical. This is an extremely common pattern in mutually abusive relationships. The stereotypical image of domestic violence is one dominating abuser and one timid victim but that's not always the case.

[GoldHeart]

That's a social fallacy anyway that people should be wary of - people don't become abusers, or even murderers, "because they're evil monsters". Look at someone like Rolf Harris, which is obviously nowhere near a direct comparison but I think illustrates my point;

Was he a creep who had inappropriate relationships with underage girls? Yes.

Was he a man who deeply cared, was gentle with, and wanted to protect little animals. Also yes.

We could go down the whole Michael Jackson rabbit hole as well; I believe he did inappropriate sexual things with young boys. I think the reasons for that are exceptionally complicated, that his mental health was very messy, and that he was also a man who cared deeply about people/the world.

The list goes on. And I'm not even comparing Depp and Heard to these people's crimes. I just think he's a man who went too far down the hollywood/drugs rabbit hole starting at a young age and eventually ended up in a violent relationship (and came out of it bitter/jaded). I think Amber heard also went down the same route quite young and it's probably what initially brought them together - and she also ended up angry and bitter. That's what happens in such relationships. "Who started it" doesn't exactly matter and "who pushes whose buttons" matters even less. Having your buttons pressed is NOT any sort of excuse, whatsoever, for lashing out physically... this excuse is made for abusive people constantly and it's not OK. "Well, you must have provoked them..." ... just the wrong way to look at it.

On balance the simplest explanation, from all of the voice clips I've heard and messages I've seen, is that Depp got violent first probably with it only happening when he was heavily under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and it declined from there with her eventually deliberately provoking him and also getting physical. This is an extremely common pattern in mutually abusive relationships. The stereotypical image of domestic violence is one dominating abuser and one timid victim but that's not always the case.

Seriously bringing MJ & Rolf Harris into this? Really? . You already know my thoughts on MJ, and I'm not debating it again....as we have our separate opinions and non of us are budging on the matter .


I never said it was an ' excuse ' perse , but if you can quite clearly see someone is struggling with addiction & mental health issues why would you fuel the fire???. Unless you were equally unstable or got some twisted pleasure out of it ? .

And I know not everything is black and white ,yes people are complex and they even change . But it sounds like she hates him and wanted to see him break . I don't believe for a second there was genuine love.

[user104658]

And I know not everything is black and white ,yes people are complex and they even change . But it sounds like she hates him and wanted to see him break . I don't believe for a second there was genuine love.

I imagine they both intensely loved and intensely despised each other in equal measure - the text messages between them that have gone around certainly suggest that - and most likely they still do on some level. They would have moved on otherwise and neither of them have... it's a cliché but the line between love and hate is very thin.

[Vanessa]

Let me see it then.

https://twitter.com/middyt/status/1522529189643132931?s=19
This is one of them. There are other clips as well.

[Niamh.]

https://twitter.com/middyt/status/1522529189643132931?s=19
This is one of them. There are other clips as well.

Yeah, that's not what I asked for, that's the one with all the really common phrases they pointed out in the Snopes article. You could do the same with stuff Johnny said on the stand, in fact Snopes picked a few (actually even less common sentences/phrases that he said that were also in movies) I asked for the video clip of her repeating the monologue from The talented Mr Ripley that she apparently quoted in her "opening testimony"

[Vanessa]

Yeah, that's not what I asked for, that's the one with all the really common phrases they pointed out in the Snopes article. You could do the same with stuff Johnny said on the stand, in fact Snopes picked a few (actually even less common sentences/phrases that he said that were also in movies) I asked for the video clip of her repeating the monologue from The talented Mr Ripley that she apparently quoted in her "opening testimony"
There are clips, but I don't know how to copy them.

[Niamh.]

There are clips, but I don't know how to copy them.

That isn't a clip Vanessa, that's someone saying Amber said that in court when there is absolutely no evidence of her doing that and no evidence of her making "an opening statement" I don't understand why, if she said that there's not a single person on the internet who can produce a video clip of it when the whole thing is televised. Not a single newspaper article said she said it either btw, they all say - people on the internet claim she said it

[Niamh.]

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.329L8PF

[Vanessa]

That isn't a clip Vanessa, that's someone saying Amber said that in court when there is absolutely no evidence of her doing that and no evidence of her making "an opening statement" I don't understand why, if she said that there's not a single person on the internet who can produce a video clip of it when the whole thing is televised. Not a single newspaper article said she said it either btw, they all say - people on the internet claim she said it
There are clips, but I haven't been able to copy them. I'll try with my other phone.

[Vanessa]

That isn't a clip Vanessa, that's someone saying Amber said that in court when there is absolutely no evidence of her doing that and no evidence of her making "an opening statement" I don't understand why, if she said that there's not a single person on the internet who can produce a video clip of it when the whole thing is televised. Not a single newspaper article said she said it either btw, they all say - people on the internet claim she said it
https://twitter.com/AaronLeeHudson/status/1522286537240678400?t=oJ0XO_kuLdSDLD0Cz3rpkw&s=19
Can you see this one?

[GoldHeart]

https://twitter.com/AaronLeeHudson/status/1522286537240678400?t=oJ0XO_kuLdSDLD0Cz3rpkw&s=19
Can you see this one?

I've copied and posted it for you :wavey:

1522286537240678400

[Vanessa]

I've copied and posted it for you :wavey:

1522286537240678400Thank you. That's the video I was watching. Its from her testimony in court.

[Vanessa]

It's not word for word, but it's so similar it's hard not to notice.

[Niamh.]

I've copied and posted it for you :wavey:

1522286537240678400

That isn't the same as the monolgue from the Talented Mr Ripley and it isn't the words that were claimed she'd said in text either wtf? :laugh2:

[Niamh.]

What she said was similar to what a lot of people would say about their partners in a new and passionate relationship ffs what a reach

[Vanessa]

I've copied and posted it for you :wavey:

1522286537240678400

That isn't the same as the monolgue from the Talented Mr Ripley and it isn't the words that were claimed she'd said in text either wtf? :laugh2:
That's the part I've seen people discussing on my timeline.

[GoldHeart]

I think the comparison is more about how she's describing Depp , yeah it's not word for word.If she wasn't in a court room ...it could be mistaken for an acting reel .

[Niamh.]

I think the comparison is more about how she's describing Depp , yeah it's not word for word.If she wasn't in a court room ...it could be mistaken for an acting reel .

ffs come off it, she sounds like someone describing a new love interest who is pretty charismatic which I have no doubt is true of Johnny Depp.

[Vanessa]

I think the comparison is more about how she's describing Depp , yeah it's not word for word.If she wasn't in a court room ...it could be mistaken for an acting reel .
Of course quoting movies is not a crime.
But it's so similar. Some of the words are exactly the same.

[Niamh.]

Of course quoting movies is not a crime.
But it's so similar. Some of the words are exactly the same.

Just going to put this here again ..........

Those spreading these rumors appear to be actively searching for evidence to support a belief that they had already decided: that Heard was “acting” during her testimony in the trial. This is an example of confirmation bias in action.

For example, we could “prove” that it was Depp, not Heard, who was acting during his testimony by demonstrating that he uttered common phrases also found in movies. At one point in the trial, Depp said he was making a “ludicrous sum of money.” A nearly identical phrase can be heard in “Believe: The Eddie Izzard Story.” At another point, Depp says, “I loved her instantly.” An identical quote appears in the book “American Outlaw” by Jesse James.

These are not evidence of Depp or Heard stealing lines from movies to make their testimonies more compelling. These are examples of social media users hearing what they wanted to hear to reinforce their preconceived ideas.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial/

[Niamh.]

I think the comparison is more about how she's describing Depp , yeah it's not word for word.If she wasn't in a court room ...it could be mistaken for an acting reel .

The original claim was that Amber literally copied every word of Gwyneth's monologue only swapping the name Dickie for Johnny. That video you posted looks like someone trying to make a dubious claim fit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSAUDhhUUAAtXrB?format=jpg&name=small

[GoldHeart]

ffs come off it, she sounds like someone describing a new love interest who is pretty charismatic which I have no doubt is true of Johnny Depp.

I didn't even know anything about the movie quote until I just watched the clip.... which admittedly is very choppy but still , I can understand why people would think she's acting . She comes across as playing up to the camera's and I've always thought that .

Are people grasping at straws to compare her quotes exactly to talented Mr Ripley ? Possibly ,but I think it's still fair to say she could be reading a script like Gweneth paltrow in Talented Mr Ripley.

Perfect example is when this whole mess started , she was grinning for the media circus ....with her hand in the air like she was waving at a party . whilst Johnny had his hand on his chest and looked more reserved in his face & body language.

[Niamh.]

I didn't even know anything about the movie quote until I just watched the clip.... which admittedly is very choppy but still , I can understand why people would think she's acting . She comes across as playing up to the camera's and I've always thought that .

Are people grasping at straws to compare her quotes exactly to talented Mr Ripley ? Possibly ,but I think it's still fair to say she could be reading a script like Gweneth paltrow in Talented Mr Ripley.

Perfect example is when this whole mess started , she was grinning for the media circus ....with her hand in the air like she was waving at a party . whilst Johnny had his hand on his chest and looked more reserved in his face & body language.

And him laughing and joking like a clown in court is what then?

[GoldHeart]

And him laughing and joking like a clown in court is what then?

Coping & defence mechanisms maybe? , he's probably laughing as he knows how badly this is affecting his mental health. Sometimes the situation is so humiliating and crazy that you just laugh.

What has he got to be happy about ? his career is well and truly over now. People are saying neither of them will come out of this looking good, as it's such a ugly toxic situation.

[Vanessa]

https://twitter.com/SmolBeetle/status/1522351235520770048?t=FIgMHmmLmdgCJNpbyHLSgA&s=19
This was her expression after she finished her testimony.
If evil had a face, this would be it!

[user104658]

The fake news cycle (being pushed by bots which is really sus) on this is crazy. People are making claims that are provably false but they’re then pushed so hard across social media that I think people start to genuinely believe that they’re true, or even that they heard them with their own ears.

My suspicion?

There are a lot of Reddit Mens Rights Activists sat in their bedrooms pushing a pretty clear agenda across social media and developing bits to push it harder. Thousands upon thousands of fake accounts spreading the same claims.

The cult-like following Depo has developed is pretty unusual but overall it’s not even about Depp and Heard, the aim is (as always) to push the “don’t automatically believe women” narrative. The same narrative that’s led to abysmally low rape conviction rates, and countless women living in fear of abusive ex-partners because nothing could ever be proven.

[Niamh.]

Coping & defence mechanisms maybe? , he's probably laughing as he knows how badly this is affecting his mental health. Sometimes the situation is so humiliating and crazy that you just laugh.

What has he got to be happy about ? his career is well and truly over now. People are saying neither of them will come out of this looking good, as it's such a ugly toxic situation.

So he gets excuses made for his odd behaviour but she's acting and evil, OK got it

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/SmolBeetle/status/1522351235520770048?t=FIgMHmmLmdgCJNpbyHLSgA&s=19
This was her expression after she finished her testimony.
If evil had a face, this would be it!


What a load of absolute claptrap. That isn’t even a smirk. It’s a cherrypicked screen grab of a live video - you can make anyone look like anything. You’re falling for Twitter propaganda hook, line and sinker. Seeing what you want to see. There’s nothing off or unusual about the facial expression at all.

[Niamh.]

https://twitter.com/SmolBeetle/status/1522351235520770048?t=FIgMHmmLmdgCJNpbyHLSgA&s=19
This was her expression after she finished her testimony.
If evil had a face, this would be it!

Seriously? :joker:

[Vanessa]

Seriously? :joker:

She looks very smug

[Vanessa]

Everyone is entitled to their on opinions. So we will just have to agree to disagree.
The cross examination starts on Monday.
Plenty to discuss then.

[GoldHeart]

So he gets excuses made for his odd behaviour but she's acting and evil, OK got it

I just gave an example to why he may be acting that way ,I'm not in his head I don't know what's going through it. Just like I don't know what's going through hers either. Depp always use to seem quite shy & reserved in public aswell.

[user104658]

So he gets excuses made for his odd behaviour but she's acting and evil, OK got it


“Why is he smirking and chuckling constantly all through this?”

“Because he’s so worried about his own mental health that he can only laugh at the situation!”

“Why is her mouth slightly upturned in this screen grab?”

“Umm she’s the heartless smirking avatar of ultimate evil, duh?”

[GoldHeart]

She looks very smug

Yeah I've always thought the same,I just can't trust her .

[Vanessa]

Yeah I've always thought the same,I just can't trust her .

If she was telling the truth she would have evidence.
She took so many photo's during their marriage.
Where are the many pictures of her beat up or injured?
Bit odd that she doesn't have them.

[GoldHeart]

“Why is he smirking and chuckling constantly all through this?”

“Because he’s so worried about his own mental health that he can only laugh at the situation!”

“Why is her mouth slightly upturned in this screen grab?”

“Umm she’s the heartless smirking avatar of ultimate evil, duh?”


What's wrong with that ? have you not heard of coping & defence mechanisms?. When people have been through trauma male or female they nervously smile or laugh, it's not exactly uncommon.

This isn't exactly showing Depp in a good light... innocent or guilty as you know once the dirty toxicity is out there in the media then that's it .

[Vanessa]

What's wrong with that ? have you not heard of coping & defence mechanisms?. When people have been through trauma make or female they nervously smile or laugh, it's not exactly uncommon.

This isn't exactly showing Depp in a good light... innocent or guilty as you know once the dirty toxicity is out there in the media then that's it .

Some people laugh when they're nervous. My sister does that and it drives me mad!

[GoldHeart]

Some people laugh when they're nervous. My sister does that and it drives me mad!

It's a way to cope with bad or awkward situations, it's just how some people are I guess.

Even in the McMillan cancer ads it's showing them coping with the disease ,by smiling and laughing and getting on with life. It doesn't take away from the suffering or anything. Plus people put on a front & brave face.

[Kizzy]

This is another example of the cult of celebrity.. Johnny could literally stand and piss in an open wound on an orphan and he would be defended :/

[Niamh.]

It's a way to cope with bad or awkward situations, it's just how some people are I guess.

Even in the McMillan cancer ads it's showing them coping with the disease ,by smiling and laughing and getting on with life. It doesn't take away from the suffering or anything. Plus people put on a front & brave face.

Ok but you literally said this about Amber on the last page? Why isn't her smiling a coping mechanism?

"Perfect example is when this whole mess started , she was grinning for the media circus ....with her hand in the air like she was waving at a party . whilst Johnny had his hand on his chest and looked more reserved in his face & body language."

[GoldHeart]

This is another example of the cult of celebrity.. Johnny could literally stand and piss in an open wound on an orphan and he would be defended :/

Hardly Kizzy
His reputation is ruined either way. Before this trial he was already blacklisted practically in Hollywood, But people think neither him nor heard will come out of this looking good.

He's not Boris who seems to get away with everything.

[Vanessa]

This is another example of the cult of celebrity.. Johnny could literally stand and piss in an open wound on an orphan and he would be defended :/

You could say the same about Amber. She has many fans who would support anything she does.

[GoldHeart]

Ok but you literally said this about Amber on the last page? Why isn't her smiling a coping mechanism?

"Perfect example is when this whole mess started , she was grinning for the media circus ....with her hand in the air like she was waving at a party . whilst Johnny had his hand on his chest and looked more reserved in his face & body language."

Because I don't trust her especially with all the lying , but like I said I'm not Depp or Heard's therapist . I don't know what goes on in their heads.

[Niamh.]

You could say the same about Amber. She has many fans who would support anything she does.

I don't think she does have that many fans tbh not from what i can see on Social media anyway

[Vanessa]

I don't she does have that many fans tbh not from what i can see on Social media anyway

Johnny is a bigger celebrity, so of course he will have more fans.

[GoldHeart]

Johnny is a bigger celebrity, so of course he will have more fans.

Yeah exactly he's been around alot longer , and he's a big A list . It's like comparing Mathew McConaughey to Andy Allo .

[Vanessa]

Yeah exactly he's been around alot longer , and he's a big A list . It's like comparing Mathew McConaughey to Andy Allo .

I don't have a problem with her as an actress.
It's the lying.
If they can prove she lied under oath she's in big trouble.

[GoldHeart]

I don't have a problem with her as an actress.
It's the lying.
If they can prove she lied under oath she's in big trouble.

Tbh so many other actresses could have been chosen for the Aquaman movie, I didn't think much to her performance.

[Vanessa]

Tbh so many other actresses could have been chosen for the Aquaman movie, I didn't think much to her performance.

I haven't watched it. So no idea.
I like Jason Mamoa, but this movie has got so many bad reviews. Decided not to bother.

[user104658]

Some people laugh when they're nervous. My sister does that and it drives me mad!


But if Amber Heard does it she’s evil, I see. Flawless logic honestly.

[Vanessa]

But if Amber Heard does it she’s evil, I see. Flawless logic honestly.

That wasn't a nervous smile. It was a smug arrogant smirk.

[Niamh.]

That wasn't a nervous smile. It was a smug arrogant smirk.

:laugh2:

fgs have a listen to yourself

[Vanessa]

:laugh2:

fgs have a listen to yourself

It was just after she finished her testimony. She looks really smug to me.
I won't apologize for having an opinion.
You lot can make fun of me all you like.
I don't care.

[Niamh.]

It was just after she finished her testimony. She looks really smug to me.
I won't apologize for having an opinion.
You lot can make fun of me all you like.
I don't care.

Imagine if someone was scrutinising every facial expression you made......

[user104658]

In all honestly it’s quite enlightening.

[GoldHeart]

I haven't watched it. So no idea.
I like Jason Mamoa, but this movie has got so many bad reviews. Decided not to bother.

It's actually a good movie.
Jason Mamoa is good ,and so is the other supporting cast. But Heard's character could literally be any other actress, she left no impression.

[Niamh.]

It's actually a good movie.
Jason Mamoa is good ,and so is the other supporting cast. But Heard's character could literally be any other actress, she left no impression.

It is a good movie

[Vanessa]

Imagine if someone was scrutinising every facial expression you made......

I just think she looks smug there, that's all.
But people are free to disagree.

[Vanessa]

It's actually a good movie.
Jason Mamoa is good ,and so is the other supporting cast. But Heard's character could literally be any other actress, she left no impression.

Mmm, don't think will bother. I think Avatar 2 looks better.

[GoldHeart]

In all honestly it’s quite enlightening.



We truly see how manipulative Heard is , a part of her is enjoying this I bet .

[Vanessa]

I'm not scrutinizing every expression she makes.
I've never talked about her facial expressions.
But in that picture she looks smug and arrogant to me.

[Vanessa]

We truly see how manipulative Heard is , a part of her is enjoying this I bet .

It will all come out during cross examination. I can't wait

[user104658]

It's actually a good movie.
Jason Mamoa is good ,and so is the other supporting cast. But Heard's character could literally be any other actress, she left no impression.


I don’t particularly rate Amber Heard as an actress and I think Johnny Depp is a very good actor and has been for decades… but that of course should have no bearing on my opinion on other aspects of their character. If anything, knowing that Depp is a much better actor than Heard should make you more suspicious of HIS testimony than hers. Who is more likely to be fooling everyone?

[Niamh.]

I don’t particularly rate Amber Heard as an actress and I think Johnny Depp is a very good actor and has been for decades… but that of course should have no bearing on my opinion on other aspects of their character. If anything, knowing that Depp is a much better actor than Heard should make you more suspicious of HIS testimony than hers. Who is more likely to be fooling everyone?

Yup.

[Vanessa]

It's all about the evidence for me. That's plenty of evidence that proves that Amber was aggressive to him.
No evidence that Johnny was towards her.
If she can show me evidence that Johnny was abusive I'll believe it. If not I'll keep my opinion that she's lying.

[Vanessa]

Let's not forget who took a dump on who's bed and tried to pass it off as a joke. :omgno:

[Niamh.]

It's all about the evidence for me. That's plenty of evidence that proves that Amber was aggressive to him.
No evidence that Johnny was towards her.
If she can show me evidence that Johnny was abusive I'll believe it. If not I'll keep my opinion that she's lying.

Like an audio of him admitting to headbutting her?

https://www.independent.ie/videos/audio-released-which-appears-to-show-johnny-depp-admitting-to-headbutting-amber-heard-39355506.html

[Liam-]

I’m pretty sure Ambers BTEC drama exam performance on the stand is the reason people don’t believe her testimony, rather than the fact that Depp is a better actor

[Vanessa]

Like an audio of him admitting to headbutting her?

https://www.independent.ie/videos/audio-released-which-appears-to-show-johnny-depp-admitting-to-headbutting-amber-heard-39355506.html
That happened when he was trying to stop her from punching him. They headbutted

[GoldHeart]

Let's not forget who took a dump on who's bed and tried to pass it off as a joke. :omgno:

Uttered vile :yuk:, yet it goes over people's heads.

[Vanessa]

I’m pretty sure Ambers BTEC drama exam performance on the stand is the reason people don’t believe her testimony, rather than the fact that Depp is a better actor

She was so I've the top. And she keeps adding things that weren't in the original statement.
She never mentioned sexual violence before.
It was added afterwards.

[Vanessa]

Uttered vile :yuk:, yet it goes over people's heads.

How can people think doing this is ok I will never know.

[Niamh.]

That happened when he was trying to stop her from punching him. They headbutted

So no actually you won't believe it even if there's proof in front of you........

[Niamh.]

How can people think doing this is ok I will never know.

Again, WHO thinks it's ok? WHO does?