Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?

[ThomasC]

Probably, Hollywood is soulless and will happily sell out to a violent addict if enough people will buy the tickets, and if this trial has proven ANYTHING, it's that there are more than enough dribbling Depp lickspittles to fill those cinema seats.

That aside, he wasn't even in Beetlejuice 1, what's he supposedly doing in a sequel? There's only one star in Beetlejuice and it's Michael Keaton. God... imagine if they tried to replace him with Captain Jack Beetlejuice :facepalm:.

Hey ... maybe Depp can play Winona Ryder's new abusive husband (method acting), and she summons Beetlejuice to scare him out of the house for good?

I'd watch that probably.

Can you give me evidence please that he was a violent addict? Addict, yes of course and he admits that himself....but other evidence that he was violent other than smashing a few cabinets in anger? I can give you heaps of evidence to the contrary if you would like to hear it just in case you haven't been watching the trial closely

He was dropped from fantastic beasts after the sun article claiming he was a wife beater

[ThomasC]

It just goes to show the double standard; Depp has been drawing little pictures and passing notes back and forward with his legal team (usually chuckling away) all through the trial ... all the social media memes find this "hilarious" and "endearing" and celebrate Depp for his funny notes and drawings and talk about how sweet it is that the legal team all seems so close.

Amber Heard passes a few post-its and they're screaming contempt of court / coming up with bizarre theories that she's communicating in some sort of elaborate code. :idc: rationality has gone completely out the window.

She has passed a 'few'? .... Johnny Depp has been 'passing notes backwards and forwards'.

Are we watching the same trial? :joker:

I've rarely seen him do it, whereas I have seen Amber Heard do it more than a 'few' times. She is constantly writing away whether it be notes or just generally, talking to her attorneys.... I can't say I've seen Depp do it on any scale in comparison to Heard. I don't think he's as desperate, but that's just my opinion

[ThomasC]

You have a point there Parmy - defamation cases have to show that there was a loss of earnings or finances as a result of the accusations. If he tragically wins this case and then his career does indeed "skyrocket", he's going to have a tough time arguing loss of earnings in the inevitable appeal trial :joker:.

Well he's been dropped by at least a couple, Fantastic Beasts being one of them.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-lost-millions-after-being-dropped-pirates-6-disney.html/

https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/johnny-depp-dropped-fantastic-beasts-movies-708063

If his career does skyrocket after the case you do realise it will be because people are supporting him and don't advocate for those who make up false claims of domestic violence?

I really think Amber Heard's career is completely over. No one will want to take her on because of what she has done when the consumer will vow out of principle to never watch a movie she is in or buy a product she is promoting etc.

Ask yourself why he has 99.9% support and a very small minority support Amber? You're not telling me these are all huge Johnny Depp fans? That's not realistic. The case has gone global, I'm not a fan of either, but the case has genuinly interested in me.

[bots]

both their careers are ****ed after this **** show

[user104658]

Can you give me evidence please that he was a violent addict? Addict, yes of course and he admits that himself....but other evidence that he was violent other than smashing a few cabinets in anger? I can give you heaps of evidence to the contrary if you would like to hear it just in case you haven't been watching the trial closely

He was dropped from fantastic beasts after the sun article claiming he was a wife beater

He has been arrested for, and outright admitted in televised interviews, being violent towards people such as photographers and others he felt were "in need of it". He also admitted to smashing up hotel rooms in a televised interview, which oddly enough, he now denies :think:.

The trial is only about his conduct towards Amber Heard and whether the re was violence in that relationship - when I call him a violent addict, I'm talking about his history of violence, which is documented (complete with arrest records, and straight from his own mouth) and not in question.

[Beso]

Can you give me evidence please that he was a violent addict? Addict, yes of course and he admits that himself....but other evidence that he was violent other than smashing a few cabinets in anger? I can give you heaps of evidence to the contrary if you would like to hear it just in case you haven't been watching the trial closely

He was dropped from fantastic beasts after the sun article claiming he was a wife beater


Can you give me evidence please that he was a violent addict? Addict, yes of course and he admits that himself....but other evidence that he was violent other than smashing a few cabinets in anger? I can give you heaps of evidence to the contrary if you would like to hear





What more evidence do you need when you've just described a violent act.....:joker:


So please, yes, I dont know about TS, but I would like to hear you rebutt your own admission by showing me something he did that wasnt him having a violent outburst in his kitchen..

Al get my popcorn.

[user104658]

Ask yourself why he has 99.9% support and a very small minority support Amber? You're not telling me these are all huge Johnny Depp fans? That's not realistic. The case has gone global, I'm not a fan of either, but the case has genuinely interested in me.

In short? Because people don't really understand what domestic abuse looks like, because he's more charismatic than Amber Heard, because there's been a bizarre and unprecedented social media campaign in support of Depp driven mainly by high-profile MRA's (and bots) and last but not lease... because 99% of spousal abusers getting away it is pretty much standard.

I can see WHY people believe Depp over heard. I just also happen to know that not all victims of abuse live up to people's expectations of what an abuse victim looks like (victims of abuse are not always likeable people, funnily enough) and because I personally can see straight through Depp's "shy guy" ****-eating smirk.

Oh and because some of his best pals have been wife beaters (Marilyn Manson) and paedophiles (Roman Polanski).

Johnny Depp is paper thin to me. But I understand why people lap up the Jack Sparrow act. Again - he is a charismatic fellow if you don't know what you're looking at.

[Liam-]

Heard’s career isn’t over, even if she loses there’ll still be opportunities for her, the advantage of being a women, even an admittedly abusive one, she’ll be made a a martyr by the radfems too

[user104658]

So please, yes, I dont know about TS, but I would like to hear you rebutt your own admission by showing me something he did that wasnt him having a violent outburst in his kitchen..


People like to pretend he slammed a couple of cabinet doors, and ignore the latter part of the video where he smashes his pint glass of wine down, and violently grabs her phone away from her (the video then cuts off abruptly - can be assumed he smashed the phone I'd say).

Of course a lot of people will also try to argue that if a punch wasn't thrown "it's not domestic violence".

[user104658]

Heard’s career isn’t over, even if she loses there’ll still be opportunities for her, the advantage of being a women, even an admittedly abusive one, she’ll be made a a martyr by the radfems too

Thanks for adding the Redpill perspective again Liam, always much appreciated.

[Beso]

People like to pretend he slammed a couple of cabinet doors, and ignore the latter part of the video where he smashes his pint glass of wine down, and violently grabs her phone away from her (the video then cuts off abruptly - can be assumed he smashed the phone I'd say).

Of course a lot of people will also try to argue that if a punch wasn't thrown "it's not domestic violence".

That video also ended up the way it did because a wife dared to video her husband.

Yet hes not an abuser!!

[ThomasC]

He has been arrested for, and outright admitted in televised interviews, being violent towards people such as photographers and others he felt were "in need of it". He also admitted to smashing up hotel rooms in a televised interview, which oddly enough, he now denies :think:.

The trial is only about his conduct towards Amber Heard and whether the re was violence in that relationship - when I call him a violent addict, I'm talking about his history of violence, which is documented (complete with arrest records, and straight from his own mouth) and not in question.

Photographers? Well they do take some putting up with and pushing of buttons bit then you link that with DV?

I don't think he ever denied smashing up a kitchen, there's a video of it.

You've not given me any evidence.

[user104658]

That video also ended up the way it did because a wife dared video her husband.

Yet hes not an abuser!!

The thing that concerns me most is the number of people saying, "well wouldn't you react the same if your wife tried to film you". No I would not.

He was already being nasty and then he got properly angry when he realised he was being filmed, that's clearly a panic response because he thought "oh no, I can't hide it if I'm on camera doing it". Turns out no one cares and will just do backflips making excuses for it anyway :shrug:.

[ThomasC]

Can you give me evidence please that he was a violent addict? Addict, yes of course and he admits that himself....but other evidence that he was violent other than smashing a few cabinets in anger? I can give you heaps of evidence to the contrary if you would like to hear





What more evidence do you need when you've just described a violent act.....:joker:


So please, yes, I dont know about TS, but I would like to hear you rebutt your own admission by showing me something he did that wasnt him having a violent outburst in his kitchen..

Al get my popcorn.

Circumstantial evidence was provided RE him bashing up some cupboards on the trial.

My own admission was 'other than' if you cared to read my post.

Calling someone 'violent' in my book, is not justified by smashing up some cupboards. It's a violent 'act', buy does not constitute someone generally being violent.

[user104658]

Photographers? Well they do take some putting up with and pushing of buttons bit then you link that with DV?

I don't think he ever denied smashing up a kitchen, there's a video of it.

You've not given me any evidence.

I don't link it with domestic violence, I said he's a violent addict, punching paparazi (not just photographers by the way, some of them are just bar fights with random blokes) and smashing up rooms is violence. He was arrested for these things. He's a documented and admitted addict. Thus he is, or at least has been, a violent addict. It's just a statement of fact.

[user104658]

Calling someone 'violent' in my book, is not justified by smashing up some cupboards. It's a violent 'act', buy does not constitute someone generally being violent.

Did you not watch the whole video or have you just chosen to pretend the part at the end when he aggressively grabs the phone away from her and then the video abruptly cuts off didn't happen?

[ThomasC]

That video also ended up the way it did because a wife dared to video her husband.

Yet hes not an abuser!!

Is this the same video that she edited to cut out her laughing.?

[user104658]

Is this the same video that she edited to cut out her laughing.?

Laughing at and taunting an abuser is VERY COMMON in domestic abuse situations. This falls under the part I talked about above; people thinking they know "what DV looks like", "what a victim should look like" when they in fact do not.

Again I understand WHY people don't know what they're looking at... but I also know that they DON'T know what they're looking at. DV victims are supposed to be small/meek/scared at all times right? That's simply not what DV looks like in the vast majority of cases. Most fight back. Most taunt. Most have massively complex relationships where they also deeply love their abuser. It's not all like Wee Mo and Trevor off EastEnders - in fact, it rarely is.

[ThomasC]

Laughing at and taunting an abuser is VERY COMMON in domestic abuse situations. This falls under the part I talked about above; people thinking they know "what DV looks like", "what a victim should look like" when they in fact do not.

Again I understand WHY people don't know what they're looking at... but I also know that they DON'T know what they're looking at. DV victims are supposed to be small/meek/scared at all times right? That's simply not what DV looks like in the vast majority of cases. Most fight back. Most taunt. Most have massively complex relationships where they also deeply love their abuser. It's not all like Wee Mo and Trevor off EastEnders - in fact, it rarely is.

So can you explain to me then why the video was edited to cut out her laughing before being sent to the media? Then the full version coming out in court?

[ThomasC]

Did you not watch the whole video or have you just chosen to pretend the part at the end when he aggressively grabs the phone away from her and then the video abruptly cuts off didn't happen?

Yes I have watched the whole video. He was angry, I've admitted this, he's admitted it

[ThomasC]

In short? Because people don't really understand what domestic abuse looks like, because he's more charismatic than Amber Heard, because there's been a bizarre and unprecedented social media campaign in support of Depp driven mainly by high-profile MRA's (and bots) and last but not lease... because 99% of spousal abusers getting away it is pretty much standard.

I can see WHY people believe Depp over heard. I just also happen to know that not all victims of abuse live up to people's expectations of what an abuse victim looks like (victims of abuse are not always likeable people, funnily enough) and because I personally can see straight through Depp's "shy guy" ****-eating smirk.

Oh and because some of his best pals have been wife beaters (Marilyn Manson) and paedophiles (Roman Polanski).

Johnny Depp is paper thin to me. But I understand why people lap up the Jack Sparrow act. Again - he is a charismatic fellow if you don't know what you're looking at.

I am aware of what domestic violence is and how it can present itself in many, many facets and how one person deals with it is not going to be the same.

People understand what evidence looks like though, those who've testified despite the implications of doing so, the videos, the pictures where they're suppose to be two separate ones that AH took but have the same name, time stamp etc, the audio evidence where she will not let him leave, the credible witnesses, the guy who did his deposition in his car and had no reason to lie and then had to go off to work, the dozens of people who saw Amber with no mark, the tnz footage literally proven to be leaked by AH as it came from the copyright owner, the 7 million donation money she had 13 months to pay before Depp sued her.... Do you want me to go on? Now tell me what evidence she had that he raped her with a bottle, broke her nose etc etc? Please show me!!!!

So don't you tell me it's because people don't know what domestic violence is. A man or woman can only be pushed so far before they snap and he did snap, verbally and physically with the cupboards...that does not constitute domestic abuse

[Beso]

So can you explain to me then why the video was edited to cut out her laughing before being sent to the media? Then the full version coming out in court?

Post the video. So we can discuss it...infact if you can, post both videos.

[ThomasC]

Post the video. So we can discuss it...infact if you can, post both videos.

My pleasure

https://mobile.twitter.com/daisylandq/status/1366023242108989447

[user104658]

Yes I have watched the whole video. He was angry, I've admitted this, he's admitted it

He was angry and violent. We're simply going to disagree on that point. It's not that I can't show you evidence of what I'm saying is violence, you just don't think it's violence (or that it's acceptable violence e.g. against paps and in bars). There's no point in me offering up more examples of where I see violence only to get back "that's not violence in my opinion".

It is officially classed as Domestic Violence by the way, for example by DV services, in the UK at the very least. So whilst there may be debate in the public ... in official terms, smashing glasses and grabbing phones out of people's hands is DV whether people would like to see it that way or not.

[user104658]

My pleasure

https://mobile.twitter.com/daisylandq/status/1366023242108989447

JFC how can anyone watch this video and not see a worryingly aggressive man :facepalm: my mind absolutely boggles.

By the laugh and smirk... do you mean the "heh" when he throws a final insult at her? As for the smirk, I'd be grateful if you could screenshot it because I don't even see one. Wishful thinking and cognitive dissonance from people who have already made up their mind.

That's a drunk, volatile man in that video. There's just no two ways about it. HOW are people supporting this.

[ThomasC]

JFC how can anyone watch this video and not see a worryingly aggressive man :facepalm: my mind absolutely boggles.

By the laugh and smirk... do you mean the "heh" when he throws a final insult at her? As for the smirk, I'd be grateful if you could screenshot it because I don't even see one. Wishful thinking and cognitive dissonance from people who have already made up their mind.

That's a drunk, volatile man in that video. There's just no two ways about it. HOW are people supporting this.

This is the copy sent to TMZ 5 years a go. Notice how it has been edited?

https://youtu.be/Nhz9PCbnkkQ

This is what tmz said during testimonies that the video was edited and basically confirmed that it was sent by AH, along with the ones of her outside court where she had a bruise on her face then the next day it wasn't there...they pretty much proved that she leaked where she would be to the press and yet ah still denies it..... It was 15 minutes before video was leaked on one occasion and that can only happen of it has come from the copyright owner. She wanted publicity, she wanted money, she wanted to be seen as a victim, she disgustingly didn't use the 7 million divorce money to donate to the charities, she lied, she had 13 months to pay it before Johnny sued, she said she couldn't pay it because he was sieingy. All bull****

Yes he is aggressive on this video, he's admitted that....have you asked yourself why?

As for the snark, right at the end. I can screenshot it of you really want me to? :joker::joker::joker:

[bots]

her case is proven right there in that video, nothing more needs to be said.

[Cherie]

My pleasure

https://mobile.twitter.com/daisylandq/status/1366023242108989447

How can any woman defend him after watching that, you can see how intimidating he is

[user104658]

This is the copy sent to TMZ 5 years a go. Notice how it has been edited?

https://youtu.be/Nhz9PCbnkkQ The end has been cut off, I don't really see that it matters, you showed me the whole video and it still set my teeth on edge because I see a violent man on the edge of being abusive, and yeah, if he was like that in the middle of the day and caught on video I fully believe there's worse that wasn't. Do you think it's realistic that she purely by chance caught him at his absolute worst?

she disgustingly didn't use the 7 million divorce money to donate to the charities, she lied, she had 13 months to pay it before Johnny sued, she said she couldn't pay it because he was sieingy. All bull**** Would be entirely irrelevant no matter what she did with it. You don't have to be a nice person to be abused. YOu don't have to have never lied to be telling the truth. Or perhaps you do, in the eyes of the public? Is that the problem?

Yes he is aggressive on this video, he's admitted that....have you asked yourself why?

It doesn't matter why but again I can see that people don't understand that, think there are excuses for violence and aggression, etc. ... I disagree and will never agree.

As for the snark, right at the end. I can screenshot it of you really want me to? :joker::joker::joker:

Please do.

[user104658]

her case is proven right there in that video, nothing more needs to be said.

Exactly - it's a video of domestic abuse... she said she had experienced domestic abuse. That's it, libel case closed.

All I can guess is, they have a different definition of DV and what constitutes libel in the state this case is being tried in, and that's why it's happening there, and why it's already been thrown out in the UK (where that video is unquestionable evidence of domestic abuse).

I did hear that he was rather selective about which state he was going to pursue libel in (Virginia) rather than where you would expect (California). It would have been laughed out of court in Cali.

[AnnieK]

How can any woman defend him after watching that, you can see how intimidating he is

Agreed. That would be intimidating for anyone to witness

[Beso]

My pleasure

https://mobile.twitter.com/daisylandq/status/1366023242108989447

That tiny little laugh, was a show of satisfaction because he had shown on camera what he is really like.

[Niamh.]

How can any woman defend him after watching that, you can see how intimidating he is

Absolutely.

[ThomasC]

The end has been cut off, I don't really see that it matters, you showed me the whole video and it still set my teeth on edge because I see a violent man on the edge of being abusive, and yeah, if he was like that in the middle of the day and caught on video I fully believe there's worse that wasn't. Do you think it's realistic that she purely by chance caught him at his absolute worst?

Would be entirely irrelevant no matter what she did with it. You don't have to be a nice person to be abused. YOu don't have to have never lied to be telling the truth. Or perhaps you do, in the eyes of the public? Is that the problem?



It doesn't matter why but again I can see that people don't understand that, think there are excuses for violence and aggression, etc. ... I disagree and will never agree.



Please do.

How does the end of a video not being cut off not matter? She wanted to make herself look as good as possible. My mistake, there was no smirk, but a laugh. Yes I understand that people who suffer abuse can laugh. Yes I do realistically think there's a chance she caught him at his worse, do you think there's a chance Johnny Depp caught her at her worst when she's saying to him tell the world he's a victim of domestic abuse and see who believes him, or when she calls him a sell out and piece of **** whilst laughing her head off, when he's pleading with her to leave him alone, pleading with her to see his daughter, wanting to escape the fight and she's saying that he escapes the solution...I could go on. She's scared of him right?

Yes you're right about all of the things she doesn't have to be to donate the money but if she's going to lie about that then what else can she lie about?

I don't think his behaviour on this clip can be excused for his behaviour in that clip. It's intimidating and violent, threatening and I don't condone it neither did Johnny. Domestic violence and domestic abuse then. I don't think you can just label someone such a huge thing because he was furious and had enough so lost the plot. Is he not right to want to sue someone who has made such libel accusations? You'll probably disagree, bit that's my opinion. Does her behaviour not matter then? Do all her lies and the barrage of evidence z witness testimonies just not matter? It's ok for her to say he raped her with a bottle and beat her up, broke her nose and not once saightcmedicsl assistance for injuries she describes that were horrific as they were? Hardly anyone including police officers etc did not notice these horrific injuries? You're ridiculously bias and ignore evidence. He weren't perfect, cause he weren't. He was intimidating and aggressive in those texts and video, but how far can one person be pushed before they smash some cupboards, send some disgusting texts and throw a phone across the room. And again I'm not making excuses for him, I never have, I have always condoned his behaviour on the texts, the video but just tried to understand what might make him reach crisis point.

[ThomasC]

How can any woman defend him after watching that, you can see how intimidating he is

His behaviour can't be defended in that video, it just can't.

Difference between that and being accused of what he has though and the allegations AH has made with no evidence to the contrary for them.

I struggle to see how anyone can defend her with all the purgery that has come out of this trial

[Liam-]

How can any woman defend him after watching that, you can see how intimidating he is

Shockingly, not all women think the same

[Beso]

I remember when this case was about to start everyone was saying they enjoyed inflicting pain on each other during sex...what happened that rumour?

[Beso]

Funny how the one and only time she bravely had the courage to video him on the sly shows him being physically aggresive, physically possessive, threatening and violent.

Only other things are the photos where hes to commotose to realise.

[ThomasC]

Funny how the one and only time she bravely had the courage to video him on the sly shows him being physically aggresive, physically possessive, threatening and violent.

Only other things are the photos where hes to commotose to realise.

Physically aggressive?

Can you show me? Amber Heard is the only one who has admitted to physically assaulting him......there's an audio recording where she admits it and Johnny says she punched him and she's taunting him and telling him she didn't punch him, but slapped him.

Possessive, what because he was angry that the person she married who had issues with drink and drugs decided to record him..... And then there's the pictures she took of him asleep, one where he had I've cream on his lap.

Threatening, violent yes....verbally violent.

[AnnieK]

Anyone, woman or man, who has been in a relationship where their partner has anger issues such as is displayed in that video will resonate with the fear of being in that situation. It can be as terrifying as actual physical violence. You are constantly waiting to see if this time, is the time they actually hit or hurt you physically. Walking on egg shells so as not to do anything that could tip the edge of the anger. It IS abusive....mentally and can be as damaging, if not more so than physical abuse. Believe me.

[Beso]

Physically aggressive?

Can you show me? Amber Heard is the only one who has admitted to physically assaulting him......there's an audio recording where she admits it and Johnny says she punched him and she's taunting him and telling him she didn't punch him, but slapped him.

Possessive, what because he was angry that the person she married who had issues with drink and drugs decided to record him..... And then there's the pictures she took of him asleep, one where he had I've cream on his lap.

Threatening, violent yes....verbally violent.



Physically aggressive, snatching the phone from her grasp, before using his male strength to intimidate her enough to stop her from stopping him throwing it.

Physically possessive, again, he became possessive of her phone, and used his male strength to take possession of it.

[ThomasC]

Do people want to discuss the comparing evidence with me?

Happy to go through it with a fine tooth comb.

It paints a better picture than a video in which he is angry, intimidating and verbally abusive. He chose to take that anger out on some cabinets and was very clearly angry with AH, but if we look at the physical violence she alleged he committed on numerous times and the evidence of physical violence, admitted and proven, verbal and abusive language, admitted and proved, the financial abuse (remember that amber, her sister and pals all lived for free in his apartment) and manipulation over divorce money to charity, emotional abuse which is admitted and proven, manipulation which is admitted and proven...

So yeah very happy to discuss all these points and provide evidence from trial, audio clips, video clips

[Liam-]

I mean, if she had accused him of shouting and slamming some cupboards around, some of you might have a better point, but the fact of the matter is, she’s publicly accused him of physically beating and raping her, neither of which, there is any evidence for

[ThomasC]

Physically aggressive, snatching the phone from her grasp, before using his male strength to intimidate her enough to stop her from stopping him throwing it.

Physically possessive, again, he became possessive of her phone, and used his male strength to take possession of it.

From her grasp? Hadn't she placed the phone down on a side to record? We didn't see him snatch the phone from her grasp so please don't lie. Your whole first paragraph is nonsense.

Againz the phone was laid down, male strength to take possession of it? How much strength does it take to pick s phone up and throw it?

[ThomasC]

I mean, if she had accused him of shouting and slamming some cupboards around, some of you might have a better point, but the fact of the matter is, she’s publicly accused him of physically beating and raping her, neither of which, there is any evidence for

1000%.

I just feel like banging my head against a wall when it comes to evidence, evidence, evidence. Not talking about what she has failed to record....but what he has and more importantly the testimony of others.

Evidence doesn't lie unless you're AH where it has been proven she has purgered herself and lied many times. Again happy to discuss these points in great detail. I just can't personally ignore the overwhelming evidence which casts so much doubt over amber Heard's claims of heinouse acts of physical and sexual violence of a horrifying magnitude

[Beso]

Im still waiting on the evidence from before that proves depp isnt a violent addict.

[ThomasC]

Im still waiting on the evidence from before that proves depp isnt a violent addict.

What are you looking for exactly?

Because if we're contesting that he hasn't been violent in the sense of verbally then there's already been evidence presented that he was on that video and also the texts. What violence are you referring to?

Verbal, sexual, physical......

[user104658]

The events described WITHIN the trial are not the published statements that are the SUBJECT OF the trial. The libel claim is that it’s libel that she said she was in in the receiving end of domestic abuse from Depp.

Anything else is a straw man here. But this but that but she said in the trial etc etc etc

It’s irrelevant to whether or not what she wrote - and therefore what he is claiming to be libel - is libellous.

Her provoking him is irrelevant

Her hitting him also is irrelevant

Her laughing it irrelevant

Her imaginary smirking is irrelevant

The idea that she has to prove with concrete evidence anything that she says about him within the context of a trial is utterly ludicrous.

All that matters is one question;

Was there any abusive behaviour from Johnny Depp towards Amber Heard.

The answer from that video is yes.

Thus she should not be found guilty of libel for saying so in an article.

That’s the whole case, the rest is (deliberate perhaps?) distraction and nothing more.

[Zizu]

Mmmm interesting how we all see that clip differently.

After reading all your comments above I expected to see him throwing her around or something .

I did see a very annoyed man strutting around but we have no idea why he was so annoyed / agitated.

She was already filming . .. then she to continued to ask him questions even though was obviously ignoring her or didn’t want to talk to or listen to her ..

He was getting more and more agitated, slamming cupboard doors and she picked THAT moment to insinuate that he had drank a lot of wine .. that’s when he really flipped .


We have no idea what had gone on before this footage but it’s pretty clear that she knew which buttons to press to get him to lose his temper .

It all looks like a premeditated set up by Miss H .

Sorry


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[user104658]

And how would she know “what buttons to press to get him to lose his temper” Zizu? Unless he’s a man who often loses his temper?

I find the number of people making excuses for men aggressively losing their temper quite awful, to be honest. “He was provoked”. He was a man in his 50’s, not a teenager. He should be in control of his temper and if he’s not that is NO ONE’S responsibility but his own.

[AnnieK]

The events described WITHIN the trial are not the published statements that are the SUBJECT OF the trial. The libel claim is that it’s libel that she said she was in in the receiving end of domestic abuse from Depp.

Anything else is a straw man here. But this but that but she said in the trial etc etc etc

It’s irrelevant to whether or not what she wrote - and therefore what he is claiming to be libel - is libellous.

Her provoking him is irrelevant

Her hitting him also is irrelevant

Her laughing it irrelevant

Her imaginary smirking is irrelevant

The idea that she has to prove with concrete evidence anything that she says about him within the context of a trial is utterly ludicrous.

All that matters is one question;

Was there any abusive behaviour from Johnny Depp towards Amber Heard.

The answer from that video is yes.

Thus she should not be found guilty of libel for saying so in an article.

That’s the whole case, the rest is (deliberate perhaps?) distraction and nothing more.

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I can't quite understand why people aren't getting this. I do think that people are treating this as a criminal trial when it is a civil case. She was in an abusive relationship.....whether that abuse was reciprocated is by the by....if he abused her and she abused him.....he was still an abuser and as such she didn't lie about that

[Zizu]

And how would she know “what buttons to press to get him to lose his temper” Zizu? Unless he’s a man who often loses his temper?

I find the number of people making excuses for men aggressively losing their temper quite awful, to be honest. “He was provoked”. He was a man in his 50’s, not a teenager. He should be in control of his temper and if he’s not that is NO ONE’S responsibility but his own.


When you’ve lived with someone for even a short while you soon learn what things to say or what not to say and when to keep quiet .. she knew that he’d react to the drinking comment .


As soon as she noticed he was annoyed and slamming cupboard doors .. the normal reaction would be to leave things be , move to another room and let things calm down .

It’s not normal to keep prodding ( verbally) then question his drinking just as he filled a glass of wine up .

I just think she was prodding the tiger through the cage bars until it lashed out .

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[AnnieK]

If Amber was your daughter Zizu...would you think she was "pushing his buttons" or would you worry about her safety with a man that loses control like that? Would you disregard feelings because she reached a point where she actually questioned his drinking in a morning and tell her she knew that would piss him off so his reaction was justified?

[Zizu]

If Amber was your daughter Zizu...would you think she was "pushing his buttons" or would you worry about her safety with a man that loses control like that? Would you disregard feelings because she reached a point where she actually questioned his drinking in a morning and tell her she knew that would piss him off??


I would hope she’d have the sense to keep away from him until he’d calmed down or even come home to us for a short while .

Not constantly try and get him to react whilst filming it all


He presumably snapped at the end when he realised she had set him up .

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[GoldHeart]

The thing that concerns me most is the number of people saying, "well wouldn't you react the same if your wife tried to film you". No I would not.

He was already being nasty and then he got properly angry when he realised he was being filmed, that's clearly a panic response because he thought "oh no, I can't hide it if I'm on camera doing it". Turns out no one cares and will just do backflips making excuses for it anyway :shrug:.

Out of curiosity TS ,how would you react if your wife filmed you having a mental breakdown? .

I don't know if I have my dates mixed up ,but hadn't he just lost his mother aswell?. Either way he was clearly in a very bad place psychologically whatever you think of him.

And trying to grab someone's phone is NOT violent, plus she Still had her phone when the video ended. He never actually took her phone off her . She looks at the camera and it ends. She was actually grinning aswell according to TMZ but I think that's edited out .

[Beso]

Not the mental breakdown excuse for the fragile little sausage....awww poor him...

[AnnieK]

I would hope she’d have the sense to keep away from him until he’d calmed down or even come home to us for a short while .

Not constantly try and get him to react whilst filming it all


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Come home for a short while? If that was my kid and I saw that kind of footage, I wouldn't want them any near them ever again. Someone who can lose their cool to that extent once will do it again. Letting them cool down only puts off the inevitable next kick off

[Beso]

What are you looking for exactly?

The evidence you claim to have in abundance that proves he is a non violent addict.

[AnnieK]

Out of curiosity TS ,how would you react if your wife filmed you having a mental breakdown? .

I don't know if I have my dates mixed up ,but hadn't he just lost his mother aswell?. Either way he was clearly in a very bad place psychologically whatever you think of him.

And trying to grab someone's phone is NOT violent, plus she Still had her phone when the video ended. He never actually took her phone off her . She looks at the camera and it ends. She was actually grinning aswell according to TMZ but I think that's edited out .

Mental breakdown? What mental breakdown? That's a drunk angry man in the video....he's completely aware of what he is doing

[Zizu]

Mental breakdown? What mental breakdown? That's a drunk angry man in the video....he's completely aware of what he is doing


How can he be aware of what he’s doing if he’s drunk and angry ??


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[Beso]

How can he be aware of what he’s doing if he’s drunk and angry ??


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Or remember what hes done.:shrug:

[AnnieK]

How can he be aware of what he’s doing if he’s drunk and angry ??


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What?? Are you serious? He is able to speak quite clearly, he is able to pour another drink without spilling a drop, he is able.to spot a phone filming and grab it. How is he unaware? Would you excuse him getting in a car in that state because he wasn't aware what he was doing because he was drunk and angry?

[GoldHeart]

Mental breakdown? What mental breakdown? That's a drunk angry man in the video....he's completely aware of what he is doing

Like I said not sure if I misspoke but hadn't JD's mother died aswell? . Plus he had his issues & addiction problems,he never denied this.

AH also got angry & drunk ,she sounds slurred / wasted on some of the audio clips .

Nobody is condoning him banging/ smashing up his kitchen, yes it's aggressive behaviour .

But it's his kitchen & we never actually saw him lay a finger on AH, whichever way you look at it . So I can't agree with you Annie I'm afraid :shrug: .

[AnnieK]

Like I said not sure if I misspoke but hadn't JD's mother died aswell? . Plus he had his issues & addiction problems,he never denied this.

AH also got angry & drunk ,she sounds slurred / wasted on some of the audio clips .

Nobody is condoning him banging/ smashing up his kitchen, yes it's aggressive behaviour .

But it's his kitchen & we never actually saw him lay a finger on AH, whichever way you look at it . So I can't agree with you Annie I'm afraid :shrug: .

I am judging on that clip alone, I haven't seen others.

I am drawing on my own experiences...having lived with someone with similar addiction and mental health issues I will tell you that the slamming cupboards and.smashing **** is terrifying and absolutely abusive.

[Zizu]

What?? Are you serious? He is able to speak quite clearly, he is able to pour another drink without spilling a drop, he is able.to spot a phone filming and grab it. How is he unaware? Would you excuse him getting in a car in that state because he wasn't aware what he was doing because he was drunk and angry?

I’m not excusing anything


You can’t say he’s drunk and angry but then say he’s aware of what he’s doing .. is my point


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[Zizu]

I am judging on that clip alone, I haven't seen others.

I am drawing on my own experiences...having lived with someone with similar addiction and mental health issues I will tell you that the slamming cupboards and.smashing **** is terrifying and absolutely abusive.


Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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[user104658]

Again people are trying to propose mitigating circumstances- it doesn’t matter if you find his actions completely understandable or justifiable. It’s not a criminal trial against Johnny Depp. It’s a libel case against Amber Heard. None of it actually matters in the slightest.

If you think he’s had his buttons pushed and Him snapping is understandable, then you’re entitled to that opinion, and you can feel sympathy for him if you want, no one is going to stop you feeling that way. You can be totally on his side and think Amber Heard is the devil. In fact she could even be LITERALLY satan come to walk the earth…

… but her saying she experienced abuse from him still isn’t libel.

[user104658]

Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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So the abuse she got (the threats and name calling) is her own fault because she stupidly didn’t get away from the angry man when he was getting aggressive?

Ffs.

Gross. And even if it wasn’t. STILL doesn’t make her OpEd article libel.

[AnnieK]

You can’t say he’s drunk and angry but then say he’s aware of what he’s doing .. is my point


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I absolutely can. He's completely aware of his surroundings......but is drunk and angry. He spots the.phone, he doesn't spill the wine but is still drunk and angry.....how is not aware. And even is si, how is that an excuse

[user104658]

I honestly thought I’d seen it all on here… but here we are, arguing that it’s OK for a man to abuse his partner if he’s drunk and she doesn’t run away fast enough. I think my brain is starting to dribble out of my ears.

[AnnieK]

Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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Oh I stayed in the room. I dodged the glasses thrown at me....I filmed him to show him when he was sober how he acted, I tried to reason, goad and beg. Does that make what he did justified??

I left when he picked me and our son up in a car and got done for drink driving. He was that good at hiding it from me and I was that beaten by then that everything was autopilot I.didn't even realise that he was over the limit

Am I a victim...hell yeah...will I ever let anyone see that....**** no

[AnnieK]

This is more than I have ever revealed on here...I may delete a lot of this but this os how strongly I feel about normalising and justifying a drunk abusive man....just because he is famous and pretty

[Niamh.]

Sorry to read all that Annie, I'm glad you got away from him [emoji3590]

[GoldHeart]

Did you stay in the room and constantly tried to annoy them or did you get away from the situation though ??


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Well I personally would encourage them to sober up with water & coffee. The last thing on my mind would be to record them & laugh about it .

And I'd try & calm him down & then let him cool off in another room , mental issues & addiction shouldn't be exploited.

[AnnieK]

Well I personally would encourage them to sober up with water & coffee. The last thing on my mind would be to record them & laugh about it .

And I'd try & calm him down & then let him cool off in another room , mental issues & addiction shouldn't be exploited.

With all due respect, all that tells me is you've never experienced anything similar. If Amber had offered Johnny coffee at that point...that would have antagonised it further

[Beso]

Amber heard was also fiming to show him when he was sober in the morning..but seeing as the clip is morning time, I'm not sure what time he would have been sober.

[Beso]

Well I personally would encourage them to sober up with water & coffee. The last thing on my mind would be to record them & laugh about it .

And I'd try & calm him down & then let him cool off in another room , mental issues & addiction shouldn't be exploited.



You would have to take his drink away to do that goldheart...not a wise move, infact probably the worst move

[AnnieK]

Sorry to read all that Annie, I'm glad you gor away from him [emoji3590]

Thanks Niamh...none.of it was my finest hour but the second my boy was at risk was the kick I needed. Prior to that, in public we were quite the picture of happy families.

[AnnieK]

Well I personally would encourage them to sober up with water & coffee. The last thing on my mind would be to record them & laugh about it .

And I'd try & calm him down & then let him cool off in another room , mental issues & addiction shouldn't be exploited.

And domestic abuse shouldn't be excused because of addiction and mental health issues

[GoldHeart]

With all due respect, all that tells me is you've never experienced anything similar. If Amber had offered Johnny coffee at that point...that would have antagonised it further


But Annie as awful & terrible as it is what you went through , you can't compare it to JD & AH . We haven't seen JD throwing glasses at AH's head . The damage he did was to his own kitchen, there isn't evidence of him physically hurting her.

But he lost the tip of his finger due to her anger. Again nobody is condoning JD . In the audio clips he's talking about cutting himself, if I was in that situation I would get help .

And as for the coffee & water ,I would make it and if he doesn't want it then that's up to him. But whilst the cabinet smashing is happening ,I would hide the wine & get some help . I wouldn't be filming him & laughing.

[GoldHeart]

And nobody is excusing anything, but if someone has mental issues & addiction problems I would not be exploiting it , that person would need help .

And why are people pretending they wouldn't be annoyed or stressed if their partner secretly filmed them at their worst,I believe you thousands wouldn't :whistle: .

And she still had the phone even when he walked away from her . He tried to grab it but was unsuccessful,and she had it rested on the counter. He didn't thrown her in the air and rip her hand off with the phone.

As for role models & anger issues, the Gallagher brothers are very angry people, yet still get support from their fans . I'm sure they've attacked paparazzi aswell.

[thesheriff443]

First post in this thread
Some one who is out of control on drink and drugs are a danger to themselves their friends their families and total strangers , no if buts or maybes

If you have never been around someone in such a state you will never under stand how it feels

[GoldHeart]

First post in this thread
Some one who is out of control on drink and drugs are a danger to themselves their friends their families and total strangers , no if buts or maybes

If you have never been around someone in such a state you will never under stand how it feels

That isn't always true though.

Some people with mental illness & addiction problems are more a danger to themselves than others. Plus he kept running to bathrooms to get away from her.

And he isn't the first person, to hit furniture in a drunken or high stupor.

[thesheriff443]

That isn't always true though.

Some people with mental illness & addiction problems are more a danger to themselves than others. Plus he kept running to bathrooms to get away from her.

And he isn't the first person, to hit furniture in a drunken or high stupor.

When you are living with that person you are in living hell they are fine one minute and a psychopath the next

The mother of my child who is now sadly dead, I will give you one example
She couldn’t get to me to stab me so she stabbed herself she would at times if we had a row over what she was doing would grab a knife and threaten to stab her self

The next day she would deny any wrong doing
Any deny it with so much conviction I would question my own sanity

If you haven’t lived that life you don’t know what you are talking about

[GoldHeart]

I never claimed to be an expert. But I would get support & help. Anything involving self harm & violence is serious, and you cannot deal with it all by yourself.

I can't begin to imagine how difficult it must have been for Frank Bruno, and how awful it must have been for his daughter who made the decision to section him. I don't think he ever fully forgave her .

[Zizu]

I honestly thought I’d seen it all on here… but here we are, arguing that it’s OK for a man to abuse his partner if he’s drunk and she doesn’t run away fast enough. I think my brain is starting to dribble out of my ears.


Nobody is saying that .. or defending his drunkenness .

I just don’t see how he can be drunk AND be aware of his behaviour.. at the same time .

Most people who get legless don’t seem to bother what they say or do and don’t recall much afterwards either.


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[Zizu]

First post in this thread
Some one who is out of control on drink and drugs are a danger to themselves their friends their families and total strangers , no if buts or maybes

If you have never been around someone in such a state you will never under stand how it feels


I’d agree with everything above


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[thesheriff443]

I never claimed to be an expert. But I would get support & help. Anything involving self harm & violence is serious, and you cannot deal with it all by yourself.

I can't begin to imagine how difficult it must have been for Frank Bruno, and how awful it must have been for his daughter who made the decision to section him. I don't think he ever fully forgave her .

People do deal with it by themselves over and over
You can have a mental illness but if you get drunk smash the place up you get arrested for being drunk not mentally ill

Again you have to live the life to know how the system works

[Zizu]

That isn't always true though.

Some people with mental illness & addiction problems are more a danger to themselves than others. Plus he kept running to bathrooms to get away from her.

And he isn't the first person, to hit furniture in a drunken or high stupor.


I’d agree with all of the above as well


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[thesheriff443]

I will leave this thread with this statement because it seems appropriate.

Some people still truly believe that Jimmy savile didn’t abuse any one and was a good man.

[GoldHeart]

People do deal with it by themselves over and over
You can have a mental illness but if you get drunk smash the place up you get arrested for being drunk not mentally ill

Again you have to live the life to know how the system works

I know they do ,but I said it SHOULDN'T be like that . Especially if you feel that YOURSELF is in danger,or that the person will hurt THEMSELVES. Once things escalate to that stage then it's time to get help & support.

Like I said I know it's difficult,and people stay in a rut of problems,and I don't have all the answers.

[Zizu]

I will leave this thread with this statement because it seems appropriate.

Some people still truly believe that Jimmy savile didn’t abuse any one and was a good man.


No they don’t , they really , really don’t !!

Where on gawd’s earth did you get that crazy notion from ?

Sounds like something off a conspiracy website

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[Beso]

Amber heard was not even allowed to film her husband, what on earth makes people believe she was in any position to get him any help.

[GoldHeart]

Utterly absurd & quite insulting to hear Savile's name dragged into this , who exactly is defending him?? .. I haven't seen any support for him . He was a slimy perverted abuser who got away with his actions & never faced consequences.

Back to the whole having anger issues , what about BB housemates who flip their lid at the smallest of things. If anything the more issues they have the more likely they will be a housemate. But some of those housemates are still seen as 'entertaining' ,even when they throw things around & scream .

[rusticgal]

It’s very sad to hear stories from people on here that have been victims of abuse…and I can see that emotional blackmail and manipulation can make the victim feel they are the ones in the wrong.
It’s hugely apparent that Johnny Depp had addiction issues and with these issues violent outbursts become a result of those addictions. That evidence seen on footage shown to the court.
However, Amber Heard comes across as a very strong and manipulative person. Her stories don’t all hold up…and filming him in a drunken rage does not prove domestic abuse it just proves he can become violent under the influence. A violent drunk grabbing her phone when he realises she is filming him does not prove he is assaulting her. If he was liable to attack her then why would she blatantly do it and risk being physically attacked. When he came right next to her to fill up his glass wouldn’t anyone afraid of physical abuse hide the phone in fear of being caught :shrug:….but she kept filming…kept goading him in a very calm voice with questions when it was all too clear that her actions were just provoking a reaction…
I personally found her performance in court cringeworthy….the tearful face but no tears. When questioned by the defence team she was in total control and I never once saw her break down when questioned by them when I watched it…unless I missed it as I have not seen it all.
The whole sad story is a mess….but I am not convinced.

[Zizu]

It’s very sad to hear stories from people on here that have been victims of abuse…and I can see that emotional blackmail and manipulation can make the victim feel they are the ones in the wrong.
It’s hugely apparent that Johnny Depp had addiction issues and with these issues violent outbursts become a result of those addictions. That evidence seen on footage shown to the court.
However, Amber Heard comes across as a very strong and manipulative person. Her stories don’t all hold up…and filming him in a drunken rage does not prove domestic abuse it just proves he can become violent under the influence. A violent drunk grabbing her phone when he realises she is filming him does not prove he is assaulting her. If he was liable to attack her then why would she blatantly do it and risk being physically attacked. When he came right next to her to fill up his glass wouldn’t anyone afraid of physical abuse hide the phone in fear of being caught :shrug:….but she kept filming…kept goading him in a very calm voice with questions when it was all too clear that her actions were just provoking a reaction…
I personally found her performance in court cringeworthy….the tearful face but no tears. When questioned by the defence team she was in total control and I never once saw her break down when questioned by them when I watched it…unless I missed it as I have not seen it all.
The whole sad story is a mess….but I am not convinced.


All of the above

I wish I had your way with words , incidentally


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[GoldHeart]

Also why is JD losing the tip of his god damn finger getting brushed over/downplayed, when we all know if it was the other way around then they'd be more disgust and shocked reactions. And JD would have been arrested most likely.

The xrays clearly show how horrible that finger injury was . But we don't see any medical reports of AH's injuries but yet we're supposed to just nod and believe her :bored:.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUC6zAyWYAAXnR6?format=jpg&name=900x900

UK : Jeff Beck brings on Johnny for "Whats Going On" Marvin Gaye Track

https://twitter.com/crockpics/status/1531429306483855364

[Vanessa]

Also why is JD losing the tip of his god damn finger getting brushed over/downplayed, when we all know if it was the other way around then they'd be more disgust and shocked reactions. And JD would have been arrested most likely.

The xrays clearly show how horrible that finger injury was . But we don't see any medical reports of AH's injuries but yet we're supposed to just nod and believe her :bored:.
I'm convinced she's the violent one.
She abused her ex wife , her sister and her poor lat mum.
An absolute horrible kind of person, manipulative and narcissistic.

[Vanessa]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUC6zAyWYAAXnR6?format=jpg&name=900x900

USA : Jeff Beck brings on Johnny for "Whats Going On" Marvin Gaye Track

https://twitter.com/crockpics/status/1531429306483855364
Great to see him getting back doing what he loves.

[arista]

Great to see him getting back doing what he loves.


Amazing it was UK not USA.

Maybe he flew on a Private Jet

[Niamh.]

He needs to be careful he's not charged with crimes against music next

[GoldHeart]

I'm convinced she's the violent one.
She abused her ex wife , her sister and her poor lat mum.
An absolute horrible kind of person, manipulative and narcissistic.

She abused her mother aswell?? , i actually didn't know that ..but doesn't surprise me . it seems everyone around her was on the receiving end of her anger & violent outbursts .

In the long run this will actually hurt her reputation and damage her credibility , because if anything bad actually happens to her .. nobody will believe her as she's the girl who cried wolf now.

[user104658]

There’s literally been no suggestion anywhere that Amber Heard abused her mother, and anyone who was watching the trial and saw the way her sister looked at Depp knows the truth on that one. She was glaring at him with absolute disgust. And people here were claiming she was only supporting Heard out of fear :facepalm:. Just more made up nonsense from Anti-Amber-Heard social media accounts being paraded around as the facts.

Just to briefly cover the question you had Goldheart about “why there isn’t outrage about Depp’s finger” - easy answer on that one, I don’t believe his account of how he lost his fingertip. And also I believe the medical expert who stated that it’s very unlikely the injury could have been caused the way he claims it was.

If you want me to throw around theories (and apparently, that’s acceptable on this thread) I’d say most likely he was slamming around (like he was in that kitchen video), there was broken glass and sharp objects around (like there was in that kitchen video) and he slammed his hand down in the wrong place. There’s text evidence of him texting his doctor that he had hurt his own finger. I tend to believe that. It happened by accident when he was “smashing stuff in anger” - as we know this is something he did.

[user104658]

In the long run this will actually hurt her reputation and damage her credibility , because if anything bad actually happens to her .. nobody will believe her as she's the girl who cried wolf now.


If Depp wins it will severely impact the ability of all abused women to be heard and believed. It’s an abysmal situation.

[Vanessa]

She abused her mother aswell?? , i actually didn't know that ..but doesn't surprise me . it seems everyone around her was on the receiving end of her anger & violent outbursts .

In the long run this will actually hurt her reputation and damage her credibility , because if anything bad actually happens to her .. nobody will believe her as she's the girl who cried wolf now.
Apparently when she was with her Amber said to her : you're embarrassing me. Urgh
And she threw a glass of wine at her sister in anger.

[Vanessa]

If Depp wins some women may finally stop making up false allegations. Really want Amber to be done for perjury.

[Beso]

Also why is JD losing the tip of his god damn finger getting brushed over/downplayed, when we all know if it was the other way around then they'd be more disgust and shocked reactions. And JD would have been arrested most likely.

The xrays clearly show how horrible that finger injury was . But we don't see any medical reports of AH's injuries but yet we're supposed to just nod and believe her :bored:.

Johnny depps magical finger nail...you know, the one that got hit by a bottle, but showed no sign of damage on the nail, only underneath the nail..

[Beso]

It’s very sad to hear stories from people on here that have been victims of abuse…and I can see that emotional blackmail and manipulation can make the victim feel they are the ones in the wrong.
It’s hugely apparent that Johnny Depp had addiction issues and with these issues violent outbursts become a result of those addictions. That evidence seen on footage shown to the court.
However, Amber Heard comes across as a very strong and manipulative person. Her stories don’t all hold up…and filming him in a drunken rage does not prove domestic abuse it just proves he can become violent under the influence. A violent drunk grabbing her phone when he realises she is filming him does not prove he is assaulting her. If he was liable to attack her then why would she blatantly do it and risk being physically attacked. When he came right next to her to fill up his glass wouldn’t anyone afraid of physical abuse hide the phone in fear of being caught :shrug:….but she kept filming…kept goading him in a very calm voice with questions when it was all too clear that her actions were just provoking a reaction…
I personally found her performance in court cringeworthy….the tearful face but no tears. When questioned by the defence team she was in total control and I never once saw her break down when questioned by them when I watched it…unless I missed it as I have not seen it all.
The whole sad story is a mess….but I am not convinced.




She risked it because she loved him, she acted very bravely taking those videos. She took them because she hoped he would see them and realise what a nasty horrible person he is under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

[Beso]

She abused her mother aswell?? , i actually didn't know that ..but doesn't surprise me . it seems everyone around her was on the receiving end of her anger & violent outbursts .

In the long run this will actually hurt her reputation and damage her credibility , because if anything bad actually happens to her .. nobody will believe her as she's the girl who cried wolf now.




She did not abuse her mother....just another of Vanessa's made up fantasies.

[GoldHeart]

There’s literally been no suggestion anywhere that Amber Heard abused her mother, and anyone who was watching the trial and saw the way her sister looked at Depp knows the truth on that one. She was glaring at him with absolute disgust. And people here were claiming she was only supporting Heard out of fear :facepalm:. Just more made up nonsense from Anti-Amber-Heard social media accounts being paraded around as the facts.

Just to briefly cover the question you had Goldheart about “why there isn’t outrage about Depp’s finger” - easy answer on that one, I don’t believe his account of how he lost his fingertip. And also I believe the medical expert who stated that it’s very unlikely the injury could have been caused the way he claims it was.

If you want me to throw around theories (and apparently, that’s acceptable on this thread) I’d say most likely he was slamming around (like he was in that kitchen video), there was broken glass and sharp objects around (like there was in that kitchen video) and he slammed his hand down in the wrong place. There’s text evidence of him texting his doctor that he had hurt his own finger. I tend to believe that. It happened by accident when he was “smashing stuff in anger” - as we know this is something he did.

Then you clearly HAVEN'T been watching the trial properly,or you don't want to believe it . There was a ORTHOPAEDIC SURGEON who took the stand, who said that YES it is very likely a bottle would have caused that injury by being thrown.

He also debunked any theories of JD self inflicting himself by hitting walls with fists, he said it would have been his knuckles & nail beds bruised and bleeding.But he would not have lost the tip of his finger by slamming his hands about .

You never address why AH has no medical reports, JD has x-rays & doctor report . Where's AH's ? .

And yes this will make it harder & more difficult for female victims of DV to come forward or be believed. But that's because of AH's lies & attitude.

[Beso]

Apparently when she was with her Amber said to her : you're embarrassing me. Urgh
And she threw a glass of wine at her sister in anger.

Daughter tells mother that mother is embarrassing her.....like maybe 80 percent of daughters have said to their parents at one point.

And you are seriously calling that abuse.....get a bloody grip fgs...I'm worried about you vanessa, I really am.

[Vanessa]

Daughter tells mother that mother is embarrassing her.....like maybe 80 percent of daughters have said to their parents at one point.

And you are seriously calling that abuse.....get a bloody grip fgs...I'm worried about you vanessa, I really am.

Apparently her mother was terrified of Amber.
And she really liked Johnny.

[Beso]

Apparently her mother was terrified of Amber.
And she really liked Johnny.

Apparently......

[Vanessa]

Let's not forget that Amber was also drinking and taking drugs. Not to mention she cheated on him with James Franco and Elon Musk. There's video evidence of Amber and Franco sneaking in the elevator of the penthouse late at night.

[Beso]

Goldheart...


You never address why AH has no medical reports, JD has x-rays & doctor report . Where's AH's ? .


You ever stopped to think she wouldnt be permitted one? Like not being permitted to video her husband. Perhaps he also controlled who she saw.

[Beso]

Let's not forget that Amber was also drinking and taking drugs. Not to mention she cheated on him with James Franco and Elon Musk. There's video evidence of Amber and Franco sneaking in the elevator of the penthouse late at night.

A girls gotta get dick.

Especially when you are married to a drug riddled sloth.

[Vanessa]

A girls gotta get dick.

Especially when you are married to a drug riddled sloth.

But it's ok for her to drink and take drugs. Got it!

[GoldHeart]

She risked it because she loved him, she acted very bravely taking those videos. She took them because she hoped he would see them and realise what a nasty horrible person he is under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

So brave taking unflattering photos of her husband at his worst with ice cream all over him, and filming him banging cabinets. Yeah must have been so scary for her . Oh and calling him a "big baby" & hitting him in the head with a door & punching him ,and cackling away. Yeah she's a poor little victim right ? :bored: .

You know full well nobody would be happy being secretly filmed by their partner , whilst they're drunk or having a breakdown . And don't pretend you'd be ok with it :whistle:.

[bots]

all i see here is relentless character assassination of an abuse victim and all because Depp is a pretty boy in their eyes. It's shocking really, that so many have not yet grasped that there is actual video evidence of Depp abusing Heard and that all the rest of it is completely irrelevant

[Vanessa]

Amber on tape :
I was hitting you, I wasn't punching you. God Johnny, you're such a p...y!

[Beso]

But it's ok for her to drink and take drugs. Got it!

As long as its kept under control, then yeah..fire away.:shrug:

It's when it gets out of control, that's when the issues start.

[GoldHeart]

Goldheart...


You never address why AH has no medical reports, JD has x-rays & doctor report . Where's AH's ? .


You ever stopped to think she wouldnt be permitted one? Like not being permitted to video her husband. Perhaps he also controlled who she saw.

That literally makes NO SENSE ,and you have contradicted yourself. How did she allow people back to his penthouses then ?, And she was always going out with her friends and her sister was spending alot of time with her .

Even if she didn't report or seek medical attention straight away,there would still be medical examinations taken at some point ...especially with the horrific bottle abuse she claimed. I don't care what anyone says.. there would still be damage there.



But it's ok for her to drink and take drugs. Got it!

Typical double standards, funny behaviour for an 'abuse victim ' . If I was scared of my husband I would NOT be inviting men back to his house left right & centre. And I would not be stupidly caught on CCTV elevator footage like she was. Just shows she ISN'T very bright .

[Beso]

So brave taking unflattering photos of her husband at his worst with ice cream all over him, and filming him banging cabinets. Yeah must have been so scary for her . Oh and calling him a "big baby" & hitting him in the head with a door & punching him ,and cackling away. Yeah she's a poor little victim right ? :bored: .

You know full well nobody would be happy being secretly filmed by their partner , whilst they're drunk or having a breakdown . And don't pretend you'd be ok with it :whistle:.



I would be ok with it though, infact ive probably been secretly filmed being drunk in the past, and why mention a breakdown? We have not seen anyone having a breakdown!! Or are you saying johnny slamming cupboards and glasses is him having a breakdown, cause if you are then you must assume any actions amber heard had with johnny, like slamming doors on him, or shouting at him or throwing bottles at him etc etc, well you got to accept that that is also a breakdown:shrug:

But you wont...


Ps, dont ever imagine what I would be ok with..you dont know a thing about me.

[Beso]

Amber on tape :
I was hitting you, I wasn't punching you. God Johnny, you're such a p...y!

She was having a breakdown...like Johnnie's outburst were.

[Beso]

That literally makes NO SENSE ,and you have contradicted yourself. How did she allow people back to his penthouses then ?, And she was always going out with her friends and her sister was spending alot of time with her .

Even if she didn't report or seek medical attention straight away,there would still be medical examinations taken at some point ...especially with the horrific bottle abuse she claimed. I don't care what anyone says.. there would still be damage there.





Typical double standards, funny behaviour for an 'abuse victim ' . If I was scared of my husband I would NOT be inviting men back to his house left right & centre. And I would not be stupidly caught on CCTV elevator footage like she was. Just shows she ISN'T very bright .





She basically had her family around...everyone else probably came round when johnny was out of town.

[Vanessa]

She was having a breakdown...like Johnnie's outburst were.

She was taunting him. Not something someone who is terrified would do :suspect:

[Vanessa]

That literally makes NO SENSE ,and you have contradicted yourself. How did she allow people back to his penthouses then ?, And she was always going out with her friends and her sister was spending alot of time with her .

Even if she didn't report or seek medical attention straight away,there would still be medical examinations taken at some point ...especially with the horrific bottle abuse she claimed. I don't care what anyone says.. there would still be damage there.





Typical double standards, funny behaviour for an 'abuse victim ' . If I was scared of my husband I would NOT be inviting men back to his house left right & centre. And I would not be stupidly caught on CCTV elevator footage like she was. Just shows she ISN'T very bright .

She accused Johnny of cheating. While she was the one cheating.

[Beso]

She was taunting him. Not something someone who is terrified would do :suspect:

Again, abuse victims will taunt their abuser.

That's a fact

[GoldHeart]

I would be ok with it though, infact ive probably been secretly filmed being drunk in the past, and why mention a breakdown? We have not seen anyone having a breakdown!! Or are you saying johnny slamming cupboards and glasses is him having a breakdown, cause if you are then you.must assume any actions amber heard had with johnny, like slamming doors on him, or shouting at him or throwing bottles at him etc etc, well you got to accept that that is also a breakdown:shrug:

But you wont...


Ps, dont ever imagine what I would be om with..you dont know a thing about me.

You would be happy with your partner secretly filming you banging your kitchen up ,and getting drunk ???. What if she posted it online? .

Actually I already said several times that it's obvious AH was drunk as a skunk in some of the audio's,she sounds wasted / slurry . But it seems ok for her to take drugs & get drunk by looks of it? .

If she's so frightened of JD ,why did she slap him in his ear & repeatedly hit him & throw things at him ,she also pulled his hair. She's thrown that many hands.

[Vanessa]

Again, abuse victims will taunt their abuser.

That's a fact
While hitting them. That makes Amber the abuser.

[Vanessa]

You would be happy with your partner secretly filming you banging your kitchen up ,and getting drunk ???. What if she posted it online? .

Actually I already said several times that it's obvious AH was drunk as a skunk in some of the audio's,she sounds wasted / slurry . But it seems ok for her to take drugs & get drunk by looks of it? .

If she's so frightened of JD ,why did she slap him in his ear & repeatedly hit him & throw things at him ,she also pulled his hair. She's thrown that many hands.

Of course it's perfectly acceptable for Amber to do drugs and hit Johnny. After all, she's a woman and they're allowed to punch who they want :bored:

[GoldHeart]

Again, abuse victims will taunt their abuser.

That's a fact

whilst being as 'terrified' as she claimed she was ?? , But I thought you said JD was 'controlling' :whistle:. Why would a victim taunt their abuser unless they had a death wish :conf:.

[Beso]

While hitting them. That makes Amber the abuser.


this case isnt about that.:shrug:

[Beso]

whilst being as 'terrified' as she claimed she was ?? , But I thought you said JD was 'controlling' :whistle:. Why would a victim taunt their abuser unless they had a death wish :conf:.

By not allowing her to film in the house, by grabbing and attempting to smash her phone when she does film in the house...well that kind of proves he is controlling.

[thesheriff443]

Maybe Johnny’s next victim while he off his face on drink and drugs will be a good girl and stay in the bedroom.

Women in this thread making excuses for him should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Beso]

By claiming he got her her movie parts, that's also very controlling.

[user104658]

this case isnt about that.:shrug:

Exactly, I think people believe that it's a "whose side are you on/who is worse" trial? I don't think people realise that it's actually possible to be generally on Depp's side and STILL accept that Heard did not commit libel.

My main concern is that it's a bloody trial-by jury i.e. a bunch of laypeople, so I'm not convinced the jury will fully understand either.

[Vanessa]

No one is making excuses for him. Hes definitely not an angel in all this.
But I don't believe he ever hit Amber.
Amber hit Johnny and this is a fact.

[Vanessa]

By claiming he got her her movie parts, that's also very controlling.

He did help to get her the Aquaman role.

[Beso]

He did help to get her the Aquaman role.

Again...you have taken jds word as gospel.

[GoldHeart]

By not allowing her to film in the house, by grabbing and attempting to smash her phone when she does film in the house...well that kind of proves he is controlling.

No he never stopped her filming in general . The reason he was upset/ distressed ,was because she was filming him without his permission & he was obviously not happy that day , we never actually see what happened before she started recording.

And she placed the phone on the counter , so he could easily grab it . That was more like her stopping him from grabbing it . She also lies to him when he confronts her about the filming. And he never actually took the phone off her, she still has it in her hand when the video ends.

She exploited his addiction , issues & sent the video to TMZ to make him look like a violent thug. Funny how she edited the video though but ok . And she denies the video came from her, despite us all seeing her filming him . If she's documenting 'proof' then why does she lie about the copyright & TMZ ? .

[GoldHeart]

No one is making excuses for him. Hes definitely not an angel in all this.
But I don't believe he ever hit Amber.
Amber hit Johnny and this is a fact.

Both JD & Camille have said he's not perfect & he's no saint,but he would not bring this trial out in the open on TV if he was a woman beater . Like Camille said .. his most private & embarrassing moments are out there, especially with the texts & his words. But he never once mentions assaulting or abusing AH .

KM testifying that he NEVER pushed her down the stairs once again clarifies alot of hearsay BS , She's a very private person yet she came forward to clear things up. Which speaks volumes.

[Niamh.]

You would be happy with your partner secretly filming you banging your kitchen up ,and getting drunk ???. What if she posted it online? .

Actually I already said several times that it's obvious AH was drunk as a skunk in some of the audio's,she sounds wasted / slurry . But it seems ok for her to take drugs & get drunk by looks of it? .

If she's so frightened of JD ,why did she slap him in his ear & repeatedly hit him & throw things at him ,she also pulled his hair. She's thrown that many hands.

I mean I'd like to think I wouldn't be drunk and banging up the kitchen in the first place.......

[Niamh.]

If Depp wins some women may finally stop making up false allegations. Really want Amber to be done for perjury.

wow.

[GoldHeart]

I mean I'd like to think I wouldn't be drunk and banging up the kitchen in the first place.......

Missing the point , what if you were still in a state of vulnerability or lost your temper .Or had an emotional breakdown.... and your loved one secretly filmed it like it was perfectly 'fine' ? . And to top it off they posted it online for people to see .

[Niamh.]

Missing the point , what if you were still in a state of vulnerability or lost your temper .Or had an emotional breakdown.... and your loved one secretly filmed it like it was perfectly 'fine' ? . And to top it off they posted it online for people to see .

He was stinking drunk not having an emotional breakdown ffs. The excuses people are making for this guy, jesus. A State of vulnerability, what people do you know behave like that when they're "vulnerable" ?

[GoldHeart]

He was stinking drunk not having an emotional breakdown ffs. The excuses people are making for this guy, jesus. A State of vulnerability, what people do you know behave like that when they're "vulnerable" ?

Do you think it's ok to film someone drunk?. But we know that JD does have addiction problems & mental health issues , and he lost his mother around the same time of that video aswell i think.

[Niamh.]

Do you think it's ok to film someone drunk?. But we know that JD does have addiction problems & mental health issues , and he lost his mother around the same time of that video aswell i think.

It's actually a common thing for people living with someone who has issues with drink to film them while drunk to show them when they're sober what they become like, have you never heard that before? So yes If I were living with an alcoholic and they became violent/abusive while drunk I absolutely think it's OK to film them while drunk. I'm willing to bet if it was some average joe from the council estate filmed drunk and banging up his kitchen no one would call him "vulnerable" either

[GoldHeart]

It's actually a common thing for people living with someone who has issues with drink to film them while drunk to show them when they're sober what they become like, have you never heard that before? So yes If I were living with an alcoholic and they became violent/abusive while drunk I absolutely think it's OK to film them while drunk. I'm willing to bet if it was some average joe from the council estate filmed drunk and banging up his kitchen no one would call him "vulnerable" either

But why did she send the video to TMZ , and then lie about doing that.

As for the 'average joe' argument, if the video was posted online without his consent then that would be exploitive.

[Niamh.]

But why did she send the video to TMZ , and then lie about doing that.

I don't know and I don't care why she did that :shrug:


As for the 'average joe' argument, if the video was posted online without his consent then that would be exploitive.



Only if it was posted online? I've seen loads of drunk and aggressive/foolish "average joe" videos posted on line, they normally get laughed at/mocked/shamed, you don't get a lot of "poor baby is vulnerable" comments under them

[Zizu]

By not allowing her to film in the house, by grabbing and attempting to smash her phone when she does film in the house...well that kind of proves he is controlling.


To be honest he can’t have had THAT much control over her ... given she was constantly having it off with other blokes


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[user104658]

No one is making excuses for him. Hes definitely not an angel in all this.
But I don't believe he ever hit Amber.


Just going to be honest and say, I think you'd believe it if he looked like Harvey Weinstein, and not like Johnny Depp.

[GoldHeart]

Just going to be honest and say, I think you'd believe it if he looked like Harvey Weinstein, and not like Johnny Depp.


Not everyone who believes or defends JD fancies him or is a fan of his . You've heard people on this forum state that they DON'T fancy him and have NEVER been a fan of his , but that they can see AH is lying as they're looking at the evidence .

[Zizu]

No he never stopped her filming in general . The reason he was upset/ distressed ,was because she was filming him without his permission & he was obviously not happy that day , we never actually see what happened before she started recording.

And she placed the phone on the counter , so he could easily grab it . That was more like her stopping him from grabbing it . She also lies to him when he confronts her about the filming. And he never actually took the phone off her, she still has it in her hand when the video ends.

She exploited his addiction , issues & sent the video to TMZ to make him look like a violent thug. Funny how she edited the video though but ok . And she denies the video came from her, despite us all seeing her filming him . If she's documenting 'proof' then why does she lie about the copyright & TMZ ? .


I’m not picking sides in this at all as I just don’t know anywhere near enough about the trial !!

That scene / link is the only ‘evidence’ I’ve actually seen of the case .

Now in my view she was intentionally provoking him to react whilst he was drunk and in a filthy mood .

Also she just stood back whilst she ‘pressed all of his buttons’ as she filmed him .. there’s also that satisfied little laugh at the end of the clip when she knew she had a snap shot of him raging ..


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[Beso]

Just to step back a bit and look at the photos she took of him comotose...she then sent them to a confident with a msg attached..

Can anyone remember what that msg said...was it mocking in anyway?

[Zizu]

Not everyone who believes or defends JD fancies him or is a fan of his . You've heard people on this forum state that they DON'T fancy him and have NEVER been a fan of his , but that they can see AH is lying as they're looking at the evidence .


That’s a very fair point .. I’m a happily married bloke and I certainly don’t fancy him lol

Amber , however , is a strikingly beautiful woman ..

Still think she was in complete control of that filmed kitchen scene though


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[user104658]

Not everyone who believes or defends JD fancies him or is a fan of his

Sure - but Vanessa isn't one of them.

Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp. :flutter:

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11170371&postcount=3

[GoldHeart]

I’m not picking sides in this at all as I just don’t know anywhere near enough about the trial !!

That scene / link is the only ‘evidence’ I’ve actually seen of the case .

Now in my view she was intentionally provoking him to react whilst he was drunk and in a filthy mood .

Also she just stood back whilst she ‘pressed all of his buttons’ as she filmed him .. there’s also that satisfied little laugh at the end of the clip when she knew she had a snap shot of him raging ..


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Exactly
It was sneaky and premeditated , she knew exactly what she was doing . and 100% it was to get a reaction out of him and to provoke him further. This is not the actions of a scared victim , who's frightened of her husband.

[user104658]

there’s also that satisfied little laugh at the end of the clip when she knew she had a snap shot of him raging ..


She lets out a little "heh" as a scoff when he walks off and calls her an "ass". As is a perfectly normal reaction when someone throws a pathetic insult at you.

[user104658]

Exactly
It was sneaky and premeditated , she knew exactly what she was doing . and 100% it was to get a reaction out of him and to provoke him further. This is not the actions of a scared victim , who's frightened of her husband.

Are kicking doors, slamming cupboards and smashing glasses the actions of a "scared victim", then? Might he not "provoke her further"? :think:

[Zizu]

She lets out a little "heh" as a scoff when he walks off and calls her an "ass". As is a perfectly normal reaction when someone throws a pathetic insult at you.


That’s entirely feasible .. that wasn’t my take on things though

We will never know , sadly


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[Vanessa]

Sure - but Vanessa isn't one of them.



https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11170371&postcount=3

He's always been one of my favourite actors.
The man. Is talented.

[user104658]

He's always been one of my favourite actors.
The man. Is talented.

I don't even disagree - he is talented. Unfortunately that talent has come along with being immersed in the Hollywood drink/drugs scene since his early teens and the result is an aggressive alcoholic. It's not that I don't feel sympathy for him, even; Hollywood has completely ****ed up MANY very talented people.

[Beso]

Exactly
It was sneaky and premeditated , she knew exactly what she was doing . and 100% it was to get a reaction out of him and to provoke him further. This is not the actions of a scared victim , who's frightened of her husband.

He was reacting long before he saw the camera...taunting her by pouring himself a massive glass of red wine, as if to say, "ha, just try and stop me"

Hurling glasses just a few feat away from her...

Calling her names...

Repeatedly slamming cupboard doors in frustration at not being able to find something..or 2 find something to smash (I'm not sure which)


All before the not well hidden camera was found.....which was the only thing that could maybe be described as provoking if you see things a certain way.

[GoldHeart]

Are kicking doors, slamming cupboards and smashing glasses the actions of a "scared victim", then? Might he not "provoke her further"? :think:

It's his own KITCHEN NOT HERS , plus we don't know what happened before she pressed record on her little phone do we?. She starts gas lighting him about his behaviour , i honestly think she wanted him to go mad /question his sanity .. especially with her dozy reaction of "what happened".

[Vanessa]

I don't even disagree - he is talented. Unfortunately that talent has come along with being immersed in the Hollywood drink/drugs scene since his early teens and the result is an aggressive alcoholic. It's not that I don't feel sympathy for him, even; Hollywood has completely ****ed up MANY very talented people.

He admitted he's been having drink and drugs problems for years. Clean now.
But he said he never hit Amber and I believe him.

[Niamh.]

It's his own KITCHEN NOT HERS , plus we don't know what happened before she pressed record on her little phone do we?. She starts gas lighting him about his behaviour , i honestly think she wanted him to go mad /question his sanity .. especially with her dozy reaction of "what happened".

They were married, that was her home too

[Vanessa]

It's his own KITCHEN NOT HERS , plus we don't know what happened before she pressed record on her little phone do we?. She starts gas lighting him about his behaviour , i honestly think she wanted him to go mad /question his sanity .. especially with her dozy reaction of "what happened".

I think she's someone who enjoys causing pain to others.
She was laughing when Johnny was talking about her hitting him. She found it funny.

[GoldHeart]

Sure - but Vanessa isn't one of them.



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You might aswell say anyone who still believes AH then fancies her?, surely it works both ways? .

I personally have yes been a fan of JD & his work, but if i ever saw evidence of him being being this 'monster' that AH..... loves to describe him as then i would change my opinion of him.

It's happened before where i've seen people in the public eye in a completely different light , and gone off them or stopped supporting them entirely. I don't care what anyone looks like .

[Beso]

It's his own KITCHEN NOT HERS , plus we don't know what happened before she pressed record on her little phone do we?. She starts gas lighting him about his behaviour , i honestly think she wanted him to go mad /question his sanity .. especially with her dozy reaction of "what happened".

We dont know what went on before the camera started, but if she was actually gaslighting his behaviour like you say, then it's fair to assume he was acting exactly how we saw him after it started rolling.

[Vanessa]

You might aswell say anyone who still believes AH then fancies her?, surely it works both ways? .

I personally have yes been a fan of JD & his work, but if i ever saw evidence of him being being this 'monster' that AH..... loves to describe him as then i would change my opinion of him.

It's happened before where i've seen people in the public eye in a completely different light , and gone off them or stopped supporting them entirely. I don't care what anyone looks like .
Yes, some people like Amber as an actress.
To each his own, I suppose.
We all like different things.

[ThomasC]

The events described WITHIN the trial are not the published statements that are the SUBJECT OF the trial. The libel claim is that it’s libel that she said she was in in the receiving end of domestic abuse from Depp.

Anything else is a straw man here. But this but that but she said in the trial etc etc etc

It’s irrelevant to whether or not what she wrote - and therefore what he is claiming to be libel - is libellous.

Her provoking him is irrelevant

Her hitting him also is irrelevant

Her laughing it irrelevant

Her imaginary smirking is irrelevant

The idea that she has to prove with concrete evidence anything that she says about him within the context of a trial is utterly ludicrous.

All that matters is one question;

Was there any abusive behaviour from Johnny Depp towards Amber Heard.

The answer from that video is yes.

Thus she should not be found guilty of libel for saying so in an article.

That’s the whole case, the rest is (deliberate perhaps?) distraction and nothing more.

You should be a lawyer! What a simplified outlook on it all and just not true.

And how would she know “what buttons to press to get him to lose his temper” Zizu? Unless he’s a man who often loses his temper?

I find the number of people making excuses for men aggressively losing their temper quite awful, to be honest. “He was provoked”. He was a man in his 50’s, not a teenager. He should be in control of his temper and if he’s not that is NO ONE’S responsibility but his own.

I find that such a niave response. I have said stuff about people before when angry knowing full well what buttons to press because I'm angry.

I've never made excuses for that video, I do not condone it!

Doesn't matter what age you are, sometimes you can't control your emotions. We do not know what happened prior to that video.

:clap1:

I can't quite understand why people aren't getting this. I do think that people are treating this as a criminal trial when it is a civil case. She was in an abusive relationship.....whether that abuse was reciprocated is by the by....if he abused her and she abused him.....he was still an abuser and as such she didn't lie about that

It's not as clear cut as that though, it really isn't and we're not lawyers.

How you can take one clip and some texts to then be able to label someone a domestic abuser just does not sit right with me when we do not know what exactly lead up to that moment.

The evidence you claim to have in abundance that proves he is a non violent addict.

I'm really busy at the moment and it will take me a long time, but I will try and get back to you with this. It won't be easy summarising 6 week's worth of trial but I will give it a try later. Work has just been really hectic lately

I am judging on that clip alone, I haven't seen others.

I am drawing on my own experiences...having lived with someone with similar addiction and mental health issues I will tell you that the slamming cupboards and.smashing **** is terrifying and absolutely abusive.

I have seen lots of people who have suffered at the hands of an abuser make comment on this trial. I am following it in other forms too and they are in support of Depp. Sorry to hear about what you went through. I agree that it must be terrifying. I can't see how anyone can deny that from that clip, but there's so much circumstantial evidence that might give rise to why he acted that way. Yes it's abusive, but having watched nearly the whole trial I feel there is cause for his anger and that one video clip does not amount to him being labelled a domestic abuser. ...yes abusive but then to be labelled a wife beater and domestic abuser??? Come on there's more to it.....what's the whole picture and if you look at other evidence it will make a lot more sense.

I see people put that he couldn't have been experiencing s mental breakdown. How niave! I don't know of he'd lost his mother at this point, he had an issue with drink and drugs, she wouldn't let him see his daughter, she admitted to hitting him after he was trying to hide in a bathroom, all the audio clips where she is laughing in his face calling him names. This case is certainly not black and white no matter how much some want to make it sound

If Depp wins it will severely impact the ability of all abused women to be heard and believed. It’s an abysmal situation.

You could equally say if she wins then it does no favours to the misconception that a lot of men abuse women and that it can't be the other way around....talking statistically. The issue is that women are often not believed when they speak out about abuse and a lot of the time it is viewed that men are the ones who commit DV, but what about when it's the other way around? It's this whole sort of notion that men should just shut up and put up and probably the reason male suicide is horrifically high because they keep their problems to thrmselves and women are often more likely to seek help.

Like Amber tainted him in the video saying to tell the world and see who believes him.... This is because often, wrongly, people just think it's men who abuse women...why? Not 100% sure, because they're deemed stronger, bigger?

[Vanessa]

We dont know what went on before the camera started, but if she was actually gaslighting his behaviour like you say, then it's fair to assume he was acting exactly how we saw him after it started rolling.

That was when his mother died. He admitted he was very upset.
I myself have nearly lost it when my own mum died. I know the feeling.

[rusticgal]

Are kicking doors, slamming cupboards and smashing glasses the actions of a "scared victim", then? Might he not "provoke her further"? :think:


Kicking doors, slamming cupboards, smashing glasses is the behaviour of a drunk drug fuelled man...the only thing he is evidently abusing is alcohol and drugs. He has clearly said some awful things to her and about her but then so too she has to him. There is no evidence that he physically abused her..apart from a red cheek when she went to the Police...she left that Police station laughing her head off with her friend and that red mark was no where to be seen the next day :shrug:
It was a toxic relationship...and they were as bad as each other.

[Vanessa]

It's so sad that she refused to let him see his daughter

[Vanessa]

Kicking doors, slamming cupboards, smashing glasses is the behaviour of a drunk drug fuelled man...the only thing he is evidently abusing is alcohol and drugs. He has clearly said some awful things to her and about her but then so too she has to him. There is no evidence that he physically abused her..apart from a red cheek when she went to the Police...she left that Police station laughing her head off with her friend and that red mark was no where to be seen the next day :shrug:
It was a toxic relationship...and they were as bad as each other.

And the pictures she submitted were tampered with :suspect:

[ThomasC]

That was when his mother died. He admitted he was very upset.
I myself have nearly lost it when my own mum died. I know the feeling.

I think it has to be one of the worst things you will ever go through in your life
You're not going to necessarily be thinking rationally.

She filed the restraining order against him when he was out the country visiting his dying mother, not sure of she was dead and then went to sort things out.

Filing this coincides with the release of aquaman and her contract with aucl, I personally believe she timed it all very well, it wasn't a coincidence. Just like the 7 million which as part of the divorce agreement was to go to charity and NEVER did. It's sick behaviour, one of the charities being for dying children...her excuse, she couldn't because Johnny was sueing her even though that was 13 months after she had the money.

The only money the charities received was from Elon musk on behalf of Amber Heard who funnily enough she was dating at the time

[GoldHeart]

It's so sad that she refused to let him see his daughter

Can you imagine if he refused to let her see her sister or something, then he'd be seen as the WORST person ever . She put on full blown croco tears and emotional blackmail , i heard him saying on the tape "let me see my daughter", truly awful situation .. you could tell he was fed up of the mind games.

[Vanessa]

Can you imagine if he refused to let her see her sister or something, then he'd be seen as the WORST person ever . She put on full blown croco tears and emotional blackmail , i heard him saying on the tape "let me see my daughter", truly awful situation .. you could tell he was fed up of the mind games.

He had to beg to go and see her. While she could see her family anytime :fist:

[ThomasC]

And the pictures she submitted were tampered with :suspect:

Yes that's what the evidence shows.

Two pictures that AH claims were taken at different times but had the exact file name, date etc... Both looking odentifical of bruises she claimed had been caused by Depp.

Then there's the swelling supposedly covered up by make up, bruise there one day, not the next.

A dozen or so witnesses including police officers, nurses, doctors who said they never seen these.

[Vanessa]

I think it has to be one of the worst things you will ever go through in your life
You're not going to necessarily be thinking rationally.

She filed the restraining order against him when he was out the country visiting his dying mother, not sure of she was dead and then went to sort things out.

Filing this coincides with the release of aquaman and her contract with aucl, I personally believe she timed it all very well, it wasn't a coincidence. Just like the 7 million which as part of the divorce agreement was to go to charity and NEVER did. It's sick behaviour, one of the charities being for dying children...her excuse, she couldn't because Johnny was sueing her even though that was 13 months after she had the money.

The only money the charities received was from Elon musk on behalf of Amber Heard who funnily enough she was dating at the time
Exactly. He wasn't even in the country. There was no need for the restraining order. She only did it to hurt Johnny.
After she wrote the OP she still wanted him back :eek:

[user104658]

I'm finding very little use in engaging with this thread at this point in all honesty. Just the same non-evidence that's posted all over social media being repeated like it's fact and excuse after excuse for why it's OK for angry, drunk men to get aggressive and smash up their house. Really bleak stuff.

[Vanessa]

Yes that's what the evidence shows.

Two pictures that AH claims were taken at different times but had the exact file name, date etc... Both looking odentifical of bruises she claimed had been caused by Depp.

Then there's the swelling supposedly covered up by make up, bruise there one day, not the next.

A dozen or so witnesses including police officers, nurses, doctors who said they never seen these.
She said all these witness were lying. :facepalm:

[ThomasC]

Verdict is today, I am working.

I really hope that for the sake of those poor people who have genuinly been abused, that she loses.

There has to be a message sent that it's not OK to say all things. It will hopefully encourage more men who have suffered genuine and sustained domestic violence to speak out. A lot don't hence the statistics

[Beso]

It's so sad that she refused to let him see his daughter

Maybe she refused(as if she could) to let him see his daughter because of the state he was in.

[ThomasC]

I'm finding very little use in engaging with this thread at this point in all honesty. Just the same non-evidence that's posted all over social media being repeated like it's fact and excuse after excuse for why it's OK for angry, drunk men to get aggressive and smash up their house. Really bleak stuff.

Non-evidence? I don't use social media much at all. My evidence is the trial.

I'm not making any excuses, I have repeatedly said that I do not condone his behaviour, but life doesn't just work like that. There's more to it!

Is it as bleak as allegations of being raped by a bottle????!!!!

[Vanessa]

Maybe she refused(as if she could) to let him see his daughter because of the state he was in.

She isolated him from his loved ones. While she was free to see his family.
And she was also drinking and doing drugs.

[user104658]

Verdict is today, I am working.

I really hope that for the sake of those poor people who have genuinly been abused, that she loses.

There has to be a message sent that it's not OK to say all things. It will hopefully encourage more men who have suffered genuine and sustained domestic violence to speak out. A lot don't hence the statistics

They better not if they don't have a metric ****tonne of solid evidence - because apparently "speaking out" will get you sued for libel.

In what world is ANYONE going to risk speaking out with that threat hanging over them? Only in imaginationland where every court outcome is correct and there's no room for error. That's not the real world. If you can be sued into oblivion for accusing someone of domestic violence, no one is going to risk it. Use your noggin.

[user104658]

Non-evidence? I don't use social media much at all. My evidence is the trial.

I'm not making any excuses, I have repeatedly said that I do not condone his behaviour, but life doesn't just work like that. There's more to it!

Is it as bleak as allegations of being raped by a bottle????!!!!

It's amazing that your evidence is the trial and you don't use social media, and yet you peddled the same fake news that's all over Socia Media about Amber Heard "smirking" at the end of the kitchen video, before then rewatching it and having to concede that it didn't actually happen. In fact, a LOT of your comments about the trial, supposed perjury, supposed evidence of tampering with photographs, etc, mirror the social media frenzy and not the trial itself. Coincidence, I'm sure.

[GoldHeart]

It's amazing that your evidence is the trial and you don't use social media, and yet you peddled the same fake news that's all over Socia Media about Amber Heard "smirking" at the end of the kitchen video, before then rewatching it and having to concede that it didn't actually happen. In fact, a LOT of your comments about the trial, supposed perjury, supposed evidence of tampering with photographs, etc, mirror the social media frenzy and not the trial itself. Coincidence, I'm sure.

It isn't all social media, alot of us are ACTUALLY watching the trial. I'm not focusing on memes.

I still think there's plenty you haven't watched , especially the ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON who confirmed JD's injury is likely from abuse by a glass bottle.

[ThomasC]

They better not if they don't have a metric ****tonne of solid evidence - because apparently "speaking out" will get you sued for libel.

In what world is ANYONE going to risk speaking out with that threat hanging over them? Only in imaginationland where every court outcome is correct and there's no room for error. That's not the real world. If you can be sued into oblivion for accusing someone of domestic violence, no one is going to risk it. Use your noggin.

Depends how much evidence you have
Depp has a lot of evidence to prove that it didn't happen.

Yes the system is wrong hence why a lot of people get off or men and women are not believed.

Johnny just happens to have the money to sue for it and so he should if he feels his character is being defamed and the accusations are in correct. I don't want to go over what constitutes DV as I think we've put arguments across and will disagree on this one


It's amazing that your evidence is the trial and you don't use social media, and yet you peddled the same fake news that's all over Socia Media about Amber Heard "smirking" at the end of the kitchen video, before then rewatching it and having to concede that it didn't actually happen. In fact, a LOT of your comments about the trial, supposed perjury, supposed evidence of tampering with photographs, etc, mirror the social media frenzy and not the trial itself. Coincidence, I'm sure.

Sorry that I can't remember 6 week's of trial off the top of my head.

You've clearly not watched a great deal of the trial as they went through meticulously pictures and tampered evidence!

I re-watcjes that video through Google as I couldn't remember exactly what had happened.

I'm no sheep and have no bias towards either one of th. I wasn't a fan of either before the trial, don't watch pirates and had never heard of AH before this.

[user104658]

I still think there's plenty you haven't watched , especially the ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON who confirmed JD's injury is likely from abuse by a glass bottle.

He didn't say it's "likely" he said it's possible and he obviously said nothing at all about "abuse from" - because how on earth would a surgeon be able to tell if something happened deliberately or by accident by looking at the injury :facepalm:.

"Oh yes, a classic abuse-with-a-glass-bottle injury that one". This is what I mean by the little nudging misrepresentations that make the whole thing daft and meaningless. "An orthopaedic surgeon says that's an ABUSE CUT!", "Amber Heard is taking DRUGS IN COURT!", "Her sister only backs her because she's so scared of getting punched!!"

Absolute irrational, unrealistic nonsense.

[ThomasC]

He didn't say it's "likely" he said it's possible and he obviously said nothing at all about "abuse from" - because how on earth would a surgeon be able to tell if something happened deliberately or by accident by looking at the injury :facepalm:.

"Oh yes, a classic abuse-with-a-glass-bottle injury that one". This is what I mean by the little nudging misrepresentations that make the whole thing daft and meaningless. "An orthopaedic surgeon says that's an ABUSE CUT!", "Amber Heard is taking DRUGS IN COURT!", "Her sister only backs her because she's so scared of getting punched!!"

Absolute irrational, unrealistic nonsense.

Talking of her sister, did you not find it telling she was the only one who turned up for Amber?

She's burnt bridges.

They were happy to live rent free though.

[GoldHeart]

For TS -

An orthopaedic surgeon is a medical professional who specialises in diagnosing, treating, preventing and rehabilitating musculoskeletal injuries and diseases, both surgically and non-surgically, in people of all ages. The musculoskeletal system includes bones, joints, ligaments, tendons, muscles and nerves.

He could actually differentiate between someone banging their fists ,to a sharp object doing damage that would slice the tip of the finger off . The surgeon said you would NOT lose your finger tip... just from slamming hands , it would probably just cause bruised knuckles & broken nails / nail beds bleeding but not a severed finger

[user104658]

Depends how much evidence you have
Depp has a lot of evidence to prove that it didn't happen.

Yes the system is wrong hence why a lot of people get off or men and women are not believed.

Johnny just happens to have the money to sue for it and so he should if he feels his character is being defamed and the accusations are in correct. I don't want to go over what constitutes DV as I think we've put arguments across and will disagree on this one

It doesn't depend how much evidence you have... realistically, no one who has just escaped from an abusive situation and is getting their life together is going to risk speaking out about it if there's even the slightest risk that they'll end up in a lifetime of debt for doing so. No matter how much evidence they have. That should be fairly obvious. ESPECIALLY in a trial-by-jury where it's not actually about the balance of evidence at all, at the end of the day it's about the whims of a small number of people. Pile on top of that, in abuse situations the abuser is very often financially better off than the accuser - and thus will have better legal respresentation and far more ability to fund a trial.

If Depp successfully sues Heard there is going to be a massive surge in the number of well-off men taking legal action against women who have accused them of domestic abuse, sexual assault, etc.

Even if every single one of those cases is UNsuccessful, the trauma and stress of being put through the court system is more than enough to stop future victims from daring to come forward publicly.

In all honestly I think the damage is already done no matter what the outcome of the trial is. Fewer people than ever are going to speak up about something that far too few speak up about already. But hey, at least some MRA's got their jollies and we got some solid memes out of it right? AMber Turd tee hee yuk yuk yuk.

[user104658]

For TS -

An orthopaedic surgeon is a medical professional who specialises in diagnosing, treating, preventing and rehabilitating musculoskeletal injuries and diseases, both surgically and non-surgically, in people of all ages. The musculoskeletal system includes bones, joints, ligaments, tendons, muscles and nerves.

He could actually differentiate between someone banging their fists ,to a sharp object doing damage that would slice the tip of the finger off . The surgeon said you would NOT lose your finger tip... just from slamming hands , it would probably just cause bruised knuckles & broken nails / nail beds bleeding but not a severed finger

You'd do the exact same damage slamming your hand down on an upturned piece of broken glass (probably more) than you would having said piece of broken glass thrown at your hand.

I didn't say anything at all about him having done it pounding his fists or punching walls? I think there was broken glass everywhere (because as per the kitchen video - Depp likes throwing glasses around when he's angry) and at some point he accidentally ended up hurting his hand on it.

[user104658]

Please do post the video where the ortho surgeon said that it was "caused by abuse", though. I'm intrigued.

[Beso]

For TS -

An orthopaedic surgeon is a medical professional who specialises in diagnosing, treating, preventing and rehabilitating musculoskeletal injuries and diseases, both surgically and non-surgically, in people of all ages. The musculoskeletal system includes bones, joints, ligaments, tendons, muscles and nerves.

He could actually differentiate between someone banging their fists ,to a sharp object doing damage that would slice the tip of the finger off . The surgeon said you would NOT lose your finger tip... just from slamming hands , it would probably just cause bruised knuckles & broken nails / nail beds bleeding but not a severed finger



But shards from a broken phone that had been banged could have..and is more likely to cut underneath the nail whilst leaving the nail intact, than a flying glass bottle would.

[Beso]

Please do post the video where the ortho surgeon said that it was "caused by abuse", though. I'm intrigued.

If you watch the beginning of the video again he hurts his hand on the cupboards...karma.

[user104658]

If you watch the beginning of the video again he hurts his hand on the cupboards...karma.

Indeed - not so worried about his "guitar hand" when he could easily break his knuckles on one of those doors. He won't be playing guitar for long with arthritic knuckles.

[arista]

Indeed - not so worried about his "guitar hand" when he could easily break his knuckles on one of those doors. He won't be playing guitar for long with arthritic knuckles.


Yes, Jeff did not look happy with his playing
but at least Johnny sung

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUC6zAyWYAAXnR6?format=jpg&name=900x900

Sunday in Sheffield, UK

[user104658]

Yes, Jeff did not look happy with his playing
but at least Johnny sung

At least he can blame his missing finger rather than his general lack of musical ability? "I'm rubbish at guitar and that's my ex wife's fault too!"

[user104658]

I still think there's plenty you haven't watched , especially the ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON who confirmed JD's injury is likely from abuse by a glass bottle.

Found the actual info on this by the way. He confirmed it was possible the injury was caused by glass, and;

"Dr Gilbert however agreed with Dr Moore’s conclusion that it’s impossible to definitively say what the injury was caused by."

You frame that as him saying it is "likely from abuse by a glass bottle". Just to highlight the sort of major misrepresentations of the facts you've engaged with throughout this entire thread. He said nothing of the sort.

[Vanessa]

On the tape Amber is heard saying sorry to Johnny.
I'm not suggesting she did it on purpose in this particular incident. But she clearly did something that resulted in the injury.

[Beso]

Found the actual info on this by the way. He confirmed it was possible the injury was caused by glass, and;

"Dr Gilbert however agreed with Dr Moore’s conclusion that it’s impossible to definitively say what the injury was caused by."

You frame that as him saying it is "likely from abuse by a glass bottle". Just to highlight the sort of major misrepresentations of the facts you've engaged with throughout this entire thread. He said nothing of the sort.




I can confirm this because I saw it happen live...and commentated about it in this thread at the time...dr gilbert put his own angle on things...even saying it was probably caused by the bottle amber threw, without even knowing if she threw a bottle or not...the man was a clown...I think people switched of before the cross examination imo....because he got made to look like a biased idiot during it.

[Beso]

On the tape Amber is heard saying sorry to Johnny.
I'm not suggesting she did it on purpose in this particular incident. But she clearly did something that resulted in the injury.

She clearly did something....something to cause the injury....


This is laughable at this point.

[Vanessa]

She clearly did something....something to cause the injury....


This is laughable at this point.

Otherwise why would she need to apologise? She was completely freaking out.

[Beso]

My pleasure

https://mobile.twitter.com/daisylandq/status/1366023242108989447

The video again..

[Beso]

"What happened"

"What happened, what happened, did anything happen to you this morning, were you even here"

"No, I got up and all I did was say sorry" we wernt even fighting this morning"

"You want crazy, I'll give you crazy" glug glug glug glug.

[Beso]

Looks like it's about to start on YouTube.

[user104658]

I can confirm this because I saw it happen live...and commentated about it in this thread at the time...dr gilbert put his own angle on things...even saying it was probably caused by the bottle amber threw, without even knowing if she threw a bottle or not...the man was a clown...I think people switched of before the cross examination imo....because he got made to look like a biased idiot during it.

"Switched off", or it simply wasn't fed to them via TikTok/YouTube/Twitter clips ... because those accounts have only been providing one side of the entire case. If it makes Depp look good it's shared by thousands of accounts, "funny" clips with silly music are made of it, commentators talk about it. If it makes Depp look bad, radio silence... it didn't happen.

[user104658]

Heard's lawyer: "Domestic abuse doesn't just mean physical abuse. Your job is simple."

Who can really argue against that? I mean I know people on here ARE arguing against it and saying that domestic abuse = physical violence but in terms of the law, it's just not true.

[user104658]

Somewhat fascinating that they can actually uphold BOTH claims of libel... i.e. they could uphold Depp's claim and award millions, then uphold Heard's counter-claim and award it right back. I don't think much consideration has been given to the fact that they can both be guilty of defaming each other.

[user104658]

Heh... the Depp Stan Peanut Gallery hasn't bothered to show up because he won't be there in person. Doesn't that say it all :idc:.

[Zizu]

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[Zizu]

He was reacting long before he saw the camera...taunting her by pouring himself a massive glass of red wine, as if to say, "ha, just try and stop me"

Hurling glasses just a few feat away from her...

Calling her names...

Repeatedly slamming cupboard doors in frustration at not being able to find something..or 2 find something to smash (I'm not sure which)


All before the not well hidden camera was found.....which was the only thing that could maybe be described as provoking if you see things a certain way.


That’s an awful lot of speculation your honour..


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[user104658]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeNJUoesLuw/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=


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one of the comments: "He looks so much younger, she's definitely aged him."

... ... ... ... It was 12 years ago :joker: someone DM this commenter and explain the aging process maybe?

[user104658]

That’s an awful lot of speculation your honour..


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The only part of that that's speculation is his reason for pouring the massive glass. The rest is right there in the video :think:.

[Beso]

That’s an awful lot of speculation your honour..


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Makes more sense than "amber must have done it"

[Beso]

The only part of that that's speculation is his reason for pouring the massive glass. The rest is right there in the video :think:.

With him saying "you want crazy, I'll give you crazy" just before making a scene of pouring a huge glass in front of her, I think it's a fair assumption of what's going through his head at that moment.

[Zizu]

With him saying "you want crazy, I'll give you crazy" just before making a scene of pouring a huge glass in front of her, I think it's a fair assumption of what's going through his head at that moment.


Why would he say ‘you want crazy ?’

???


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[Beso]

Why would he say ‘you want crazy ?’

???


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Exactly, why would you?

[user104658]

Why would he say ‘you want crazy ?’

???


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If she said "things got so crazy last night" and he was still angry, that sounds like a response he might give. "You thin that was crazy? I'll show you crazy!" etc

[Beso]

The answer is....because you can.

[Niamh.]

one of the comments: "He looks so much younger, she's definitely aged him."

... ... ... ... It was 12 years ago :joker: someone DM this commenter and explain the aging process maybe?

bahahaha I was just reading that one, I had to go back and google how long ago that video was :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Jury is currently deliberating. There could be a verdict today.

[user104658]

bahahaha I was just reading that one, I had to go back and google how long ago that video was :laugh:

I found a load of pictures from when my first was born the other day (a folder with all the pictures off my wife's Blackberry! Remember those!) which is 12 years ago as it happens. I was just a wee boy! WTF was I doing having a baby, who at the hospital allowed us to take her home, seems irresponsible :omgno: :joker:.

Have to say though, looking in the mirror, clearly having kids really aged me. I look loads older at 37 than I did when I was 24 :worry:. Can't believe it. There was a picture of my dad too, he was 55, you wouldn't believe how much older he looks now that he's 67! Shocked.

[user104658]

... ... ... to be fair my dad looks like he's aged about 20 years since 2020 and looks about 80 but that's anohter story.

[Niamh.]

I found a load of pictures from when my first was born the other day (a folder with all the pictures off my wife's Blackberry! Remember those!) which is 12 years ago as it happens. I was just a wee boy! WTF was I doing having a baby, who at the hospital allowed us to take her home, seems irresponsible :omgno: :joker:.

Have to say though, looking in the mirror, clearly having kids really aged me. I look loads older at 37 than I did when I was 24 :worry:. Can't believe it. There was a picture of my dad too, he was 55, you wouldn't believe how much older he looks now that he's 67! Shocked.

The difference between 24 and 37 is huge though no matter how hard or easy your life is, you're still pretty much a baby at 24 :laugh:

[Zizu]

Holy moly !!

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMN1w4C8u/?k=1


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[Beso]

An update.

https://youtu.be/jVVzbgbb4CU

The headline.
Amber Heard: I spoke up against sexual violence — and faced our culture’s wrath. That has to change.

[GoldHeart]

If AH wins , either way she's ruined her reputation. Some jury members might fall for her act.

But people have been watching the trial & they can see what's really going on and who the liar is. I don't think anyone will trust her again.

[Beso]

If she wins it will be the 2nd time a court has judged johnny depp to be an abusive piece if spent ****.

[Zizu]

An update.

https://youtu.be/jVVzbgbb4CU

The headline.
Amber Heard: I spoke up against sexual violence — and faced our culture’s wrath. That has to change.


Check out that link I just posted out of interest


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[GoldHeart]

If she wins it will be the 2nd time a court has judged johnny depp to be an abusive piece if spent ****.


Oh i'm sure you'll celebrate

[Beso]

Oh i'm sure you'll celebrate

Smug satisfaction of knowing I'm not made of wool will be plenty, tyvm.

[Beso]

Check out that link I just posted out of interest


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I did.... I just didnt see any point in replying to it as it made no sense in regards to any point you were trying to make.

[GoldHeart]

I'm pretty sure JD will just get on with his life, regardless of the outcome. We all know the truth now anyway ..and that's all that matters.

I can't see many people wanting anything to do with AH ,after this mess.

[Zizu]

I did.... I just didnt see any point in replying to it as it made no sense in regards to any point you were trying to make.


It was simply posted to show what a very strange woman she appears to be ...


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[Niamh.]

It was simply posted to show what a very strange woman she appears to be ...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProUnlike Johnny Depp who isn't strange at all...

[Vanessa]

Hope we have a verdict today. This is really dragging.

[ThomasC]

"What happened"

"What happened, what happened, did anything happen to you this morning, were you even here"

"No, I got up and all I did was say sorry" we wernt even fighting this morning"

"You want crazy, I'll give you crazy" glug glug glug glug.

What is she apologising for though?

Did something happen the night before?

[GoldHeart]

What is she apologising for though?

Did something happen the night before?

It seems that doesn't matter

She can throw objects at him,punch & hit him, and stop him from seeing his daughter, aswell as mock & taunt him.

Oh and it's also no big deal that she casually cheated on him with several people,in his own penthouse.

Got to love the double standards

[GoldHeart]

Hope we have a verdict today. This is really dragging.

Yeah it's dragged on long enough

[Beso]

It was simply posted to show what a very strange woman she appears to be ...


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Strange women can be victims of abuse too.

[user104658]

What is she apologising for though?

Did something happen the night before?


Have you ever been in a relationship Thomas? It sounds like they’d been arguing the night before - it’s usual for couples to apologise (to each other) after an argument. It’s not some grand admission of wrongdoing. People say harsh things in arguments and then say sorry the next day … that’s fairly standard in any relationship, surely?

Or I could also point out that people in relationships with volatile individuals will be constantly apologising for every little thing, in the hopes of keeping that person calm.

[Beso]

It seems that doesn't matter

She can throw objects at him,punch & hit him, and stop him from seeing his daughter, aswell as mock & taunt him.

Oh and it's also no big deal that she casually cheated on him with several people,in his own penthouse.

Got to love the double standards




Of course it doesnt matter..hes obviously in a bad mood at something that's happened in the morning.

[user104658]

It seems that doesn't matter

She can throw objects at him,punch & hit him, and stop him from seeing his daughter, aswell as mock & taunt him.

Oh and it's also no big deal that she casually cheated on him with several people,in his own penthouse.

Got to love the double standards


It’s not a double standard it’s just all irrelevant because none of it makes his actions “not abuse” even if there was mutual abuse, and this is a libel case against her for saying there was abuse, not a case trying to justify his actions.

I know you struggle to get your head around that.