Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?

[Vanessa]

Perhaps she didn't want to get involved . She's had her issues aswell. Maybe she got tired of AH's lies and knew she had to defend JD , I know I would hate someone dragging my name into something THAT DIDN'T happen,and I would want to address & clear things up aswell.

I don't think Johnny wanted her involved as well.
But Amber mentioned her name, so she had no choice.

[GoldHeart]

She should have thought those things about johnny depp instead of letting those rumours drag on for decades...selfish cow.

So now it's Kate Moss' fault ? ... awesome

[Beso]

So now it's Kate Moss' fault ? ... awesome

All I'm saying is she didnt give a monkeys about the public's opinion about depp regarding this rumour, until now.

[GoldHeart]

All I'm saying is she didnt give a monkeys about the public's opinion about depp regarding this rumour, until now.

As I said .. maybe she didn't want to get involved, she's his EX not his CURRENT partner . And as Nessa said also JD probably didn't want to stress her out by involving her.

It's come to this now , because Heard continued to peddle BS about Moss getting thrown down the stairs by Depp. So enough is clearly enough, when lies like that get out of hand .

[Beso]

As I said .. maybe she didn't want to get involved, she's his EX not his CURRENT partner . And as Nessa said also JD probably didn't want to stress her out by involving her.

It's come to this now , because Heard continued to peddle BS about Moss getting thrown down the stairs by Depp. So enough is clearly enough, when lies like that get out of hand .



And like I said, she waited decades to dispel the rumour that has been circulating around hollywood all this time.

She hasn't bothered about whoever's bull**** it has been all these years, so why do it now?

Money probably.

[GoldHeart]

And like I said, she waited decades to dispel the rumour that has been circulating around hollywood all this time.

She hasn't bothered about whoever's bull**** it has been all these years, so why do it now?

Money probably.

You wouldn't be saying that if her testimony was saying he DID push her down the stairs, infact if a ton of ex's came forward and said JD was "physically violent" , you wouldn't question the time it took them to come forward, suddenly it isn't about money then is it ??? Interesting.

You only have issue now with Moss, because you don't like what she's saying. If she was against JD then you'd be on her side 100 % .

You just hate the fact that AH 's jackanory stories can't be backed up, by anyone other than her sister .

[Beso]

You wouldn't be saying that if her testimony was saying he DID push her down the stairs, infact if a ton of ex's came forward and said JD was "physically violent" , you wouldn't question the time it took them to come forward, suddenly it isn't about money then is it ??? Interesting.

You only have issue now with Moss, because you don't like what she's saying. If she was against JD then you'd be on her side 100 % .

You just hate the fact that AH 's jackanory stories can't be backed up, by anyone other than her sister .


it isn't about money then is it ??? Interesting.


I'd be saying johnny paid her to shut her up.

Just like hes probably paying her to come to court to lie for him now.

[Beso]

Also, seeing as we are now judging each other on a personal level goldheart, regarding his trial.


This is the kind of bull**** you've been fed and eaten up during this trial..

Eat up now honey, leave some for vanessa though.

https://youtu.be/X-lT4KxZBgs

[Beso]

Also, seeing as we are now judging each other on a personal level goldheart, regarding his trial.


This is the kind of bull**** you've been fed and eaten up during this trial..

Eat up now honey, leave some for vanessa though.

https://youtu.be/X-lT4KxZBgs

[GoldHeart]

it isn't about money then is it ??? Interesting.


I'd be saying johnny paid her to shut her up.

Just like hes probably paying her to come to court to lie for him now.

Yeah sounds LEGIT ... Everyone who defends JD is being paid off , awesome got it ! .

And the people who defend AH are all telling the truth ?, Despite contradictions & incoherent plots.... OK then.

Conclusion as always is

Depp: EVIL

Heard: GOOD

[Beso]

As opposed to depp, man god, my wet dream, must be innocent.

Amber..bitch trying to discredit my man god.

[GoldHeart]

I'm not the one being fed any BS , I listen to facts & evidence .

I don't rely on someone who's changed their story ,more times than a SNL sketch .

She even played dumb about ' not knowing how ' to sending videos & not knowing the difference between a tweet & retweet, she's so far into her lies that she just says any old rubbish. She's not an OAP techniphobe.

And nobody can corroborate the severe injuries ,she sustained in her ' domestic abuse' .

[Beso]

I'm not the one being fed any BS , I listen to facts & evidence .

I don't rely on someone who's changed their story ,more times than a SNL sketch .

She even played dumb about ' not knowing how ' to sending videos & not knowing the difference between a tweet & retweet, she's so far into her lies that she just says any old rubbish. She's not an OAP techniphobe.

And nobody can corroborate the severe injuries ,she sustained in her ' domestic abuse' .




So you listen to facts and evidence.

But dismiss someone saying in court that they cant do this or that when nobody has come forward to discredit those claims.....and you still claim those silly made up bull**** videos dont sway your opinions.:joker:

Okay..whatever.:wavey:

[Beso]

Depp also lied on the stand about having tourettes.

https://youtu.be/bOHy0rYG13E

[Zizu]

Depp also lied on the stand about having tourettes.
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Bollox


Sorry I couldn’t resist it
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[Beso]

Bollox


Sorry I couldn’t resist it
:)


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Am in the bush.

[Zizu]

Am in the bush.


You get the ‘Tourette’s’ - ‘Bollox’ joke I hope
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[Alf]

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[Beso]

You get the ‘Tourette’s’ - ‘Bollox’ joke I hope
:)


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[ThomasC]

I'm not saying she's innocent
Also, he admitted to head butting her

Wasn't that when he was trying to escape her by going into a bathroom and she was pushing the door open?


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Same, I have watched hours and hours of this trial and would say I am a very good judge of character. Had never heard of Amber Heard before this trial and took no interest in Johnny Depp. My personal opinion is that Amber Heard is extremely manipulative, jealous, controlling and narcissistic to name a few. I know what it's like to live with someone who has the same traits and a diagnosis of BPD, the manipulation is huge and malingering....for the purposes of attention and to meet your own needs, more often than not, no matter what the cost.

Not saying I am correct, I could be very incorrect bit these are my opinions based on watching hours of the trial, testimonies, video, picture and audio evidence. Along with experience of a family member who has BPD

I don't think Johnny is an angel, far from it! I think he said some outrageous things along with texts (a couple which he disputes). I do not personally believe he beat her up, but of someone wants to show me evidence then I am happy to be swayed.

Mitigating circumstances form a huge part of the trial because the defamation is against comments that Johnny was a wife beater, specifically three comments within an op-ed Washington post article.

[Vanessa]

Wasn't that when he was trying to escape her by going into a bathroom and she was pushing the door open?





Same, I have watched hours and hours of this trial and would say I am a very good judge of character. Had never heard of Amber Heard before this trial and took no interest in Johnny Depp. My personal opinion is that Amber Heard is extremely manipulative, jealous, controlling and narcissistic to name a few. I know what it's like to live with someone who has the same traits and a diagnosis of BPD, the manipulation is huge and malingering....for the purposes of attention and to meet your own needs, more often than not, no matter what the cost.

Not saying I am correct, I could be very incorrect bit these are my opinions based on watching hours of the trial, testimonies, video, picture and audio evidence. Along with experience of a family member who has BPD

I don't think Johnny is an angel, far from it! I think he said some outrageous things along with texts (a couple which he disputes). I do not personally believe he beat her up, but of someone wants to show me evidence then I am happy to be swayed.

Mitigating circumstances form a huge part of the trial because the defamation is against comments that Johnny was a wife beater, specifically three comments within an op-ed Washington post article.
Did you see her laughing while Johnny was talking about when his finger got sliced off?
It's like she enjoys him suffering :shocked:

[Vanessa]

Johnny was very respectful when Amber was on the stand.
The same can't be said when Johnny was testifying yesterday.
She was laughing it up. :nono:

[ThomasC]

Dr Curry testimonies were fascinating, she really knows her onions. Very objective and professional, science backed no BS

[ThomasC]

Did you see her laughing while Johnny was talking about when his finger got sliced off?
It's like she enjoys him suffering :shocked:

I find her body language very interesting. A lot of note exchanges to her lawyer behind her.

She seemed to struggle to look at DR Curry when DR Curry was giving evidence regarding what the tests had shown in Amber Heard.

Would ring true with how defensive Heard was during some of the tests. Also how her scoring and exaggeration scores were sky high in a test designed to pick up on someone who may exaggerate their symptoms just to get a certain diagnosis.

I don't understand why Heard got a restraining order either knowing Johnny was out the country visiting his dying mother and this was when Johnny had decided he wanted to end the relationship because he couldn't do it anymore.

As for the bottle incident, I do find it hard to believe that a broken bottle could slice off his finger like that especially when thrown at a distance. There was also a text where Johnny sent a text to his Dr saying he cut off the top of his finger...whether this was on frustration and wouldn't have been helped by his drug and drink use...I'm not sure.

[Vanessa]

I find her body language very interesting. A lot of note exchanges to her lawyer behind her.

She seemed to struggle to look at DR Curry when DR Curry was giving evidence regarding what the tests had shown in Amber Heard.

Would ring true with how defensive Heard was during some of the tests. Also how her scoring and exaggeration scores were sky high in a test designed to pick up on someone who may exaggerate their symptoms just to get a certain diagnosis.

I don't understand why Heard got a restraining order either knowing Johnny was out the country visiting his dying mother and this was when Johnny had decided he wanted to end the relationship because he couldn't do it anymore.

As for the bottle incident, I do find it hard to believe that a broken bottle could slice off his finger like that especially when thrown at a distance. There was also a text where Johnny sent a text to his Dr saying he cut off the top of his finger...whether this was on frustration and wouldn't have been helped by his drug and drink use...I'm not sure.
Amber is heard saying sorry during that incident. So she definitely did something. Weather she caused the injury on purpose or not, I'm still not sure.
But her laughing is pissing me off.

[arista]

Kate Moss was great
proving Amber talks utter rubbish.

[Vanessa]

Kate Moss was great
proving Amber talks utter rubbish.

I cheered :cheer2:

[arista]

I cheered :cheer2:


Yes
Nice of her to give her time,



It Concludes tomorrow


Johnny is the Winner

[Vanessa]

Its very hard to prove a defamation case.
I personally can't see either of them winning their lawsuits.
But at least now the world knows everything.
Not just Amber version of it.

[ThomasC]

Its very hard to prove a defamation case.
I personally can't see either of them winning their lawsuits.
But at least now the world knows everything.
Not just Amber version of it.

I think that with all the support Johnny has got that he will be OK. Got to ask yourself why the majority of people support him with everything we have heard and seen.

As for Amber, I can't see any publication, production company etc wanting to touch her with a bargepole. If someone is instantly disliked by the majority then why would they want to use her, they just wouldn't. Good popularity sells and makes money.

[Beso]

You get the ‘Tourette’s’ - ‘Bollox’ joke I hope
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Who knows maybe he has tourrettes when he types..


"I have no mercy, no fear and not an ounce of emotion, or what I once thought was love for this gold digging, low level, dime a dozen, mushy, pointless dangling overused flappy fish market... I'm so f---ing happy she wants to fight this out!!! She will hit the wall hard!!! And I cannot wait to have this waste of a c-- guzzler out of my life!!!" read the message.

Continuing, the text message referred to Heard as a "50 cent stripper" "I wouldn't touch her with a goddam glove. I can only hope that karma kicks in and takes the gift of breath from her."

[Vanessa]

I think that with all the support Johnny has got that he will be OK. Got to ask yourself why the majority of people support him with everything we have heard and seen.

As for Amber, I can't see any publication, production company etc wanting to touch her with a bargepole. If someone is instantly disliked by the majority then why would they want to use her, they just wouldn't. Good popularity sells and makes money.
And Robert Downey Junior wants him in his next Sherlock Holmes movie. Brilliant!

[ThomasC]

Who knows maybe he has tourrettes when he types..


"I have no mercy, no fear and not an ounce of emotion, or what I once thought was love for this gold digging, low level, dime a dozen, mushy, pointless dangling overused flappy fish market... I'm so f---ing happy she wants to fight this out!!! She will hit the wall hard!!! And I cannot wait to have this waste of a c-- guzzler out of my life!!!" read the message.

Continuing, the text message referred to Heard as a "50 cent stripper" "I wouldn't touch her with a goddam glove. I can only hope that karma kicks in and takes the gift of breath from her."

Yep, he was very angry as he admitted. I think I would be of o had been accused of something I didn't do.

[bots]

it's got to be finishing soon

[Liam-]

it's got to be finishing soon

Goes to the jury tomorrow

[ThomasC]

Goes to the jury tomorrow

And I'm working!!:fist:

I wish I was academically gifted and could become a lawyer.

Very competitive industry and a lot of hard work.

[user104658]

Yep, he was very angry as he admitted. I think I would be of o had been accused of something I didn't do.

Me being shocked that ThomasC thinks those comments about women are acceptable from a man "so long as he's angry enough";

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[Beso]

Yep, he was very angry as he admitted. I think I would be of o had been accused of something I didn't do.

Hes a different man to the one we see on screen when he gets angry.

[Beso]

Last time I know of him getting angry was when an old business colleague was about to sue him for something to do with the viper rooms..poor bloke ain't been seen since!!

[ThomasC]

Hes a different man to the one we see on screen when he gets angry.

Ummmm ok :conf:

[Beso]

Ummmm ok :conf:

You're confused, about something blatantly obvious.

Strange.

[ThomasC]

Me being shocked that ThomasC thinks those comments about women are acceptable from a man "so long as he's angry enough";

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I didn't say that I think they're acceptable. They're your words, not mine. I don't know why you're quoting your own words as I didn't say what you quoted.

I said that he was very angry and that I would be too if I had been accused of something I did not do or felt I didn't do.

People are human and say stuff when they are really angry.

I do not excuse what he said or think it is anyway acceptable. I think his words are deragatory and disgusting. Do I understand what might have made him say them? Yes I do. I have empathy and understanding as to what might have lead him to say them, but do not think they are acceptable and neither do I think Johnny thinks they are either as he explained.

[ThomasC]

You're confused, about something blatantly obvious.

Strange.

I'm confused as to your comment as what he displays on screen comes from a script and director etc.

It's not comparable to being excused of something he feels he hasn't done. Unless he's previously been cast in a film where he has been excused of such serious allegations.

[Niamh.]

I didn't say that I think they're acceptable. They're your words, not mine. I don't know why you're quoting your own words as I didn't say what you quoted.

I said that he was very angry and that I would be too if I had been accused of something I did not do or felt I didn't do.

People are human and say stuff when they are really angry.

I do not excuse what he said or think it is anyway acceptable. I think his words are deragatory and disgusting. Do I understand what might have made him say them? Yes I do. I have empathy and understanding as to what might have lead him to say them, but do not think they are acceptable and neither do I think Johnny thinks they are either as he explained.

It's interesting how misogyny is seen as understandable if a man is angry enough. Do you think if he became racist or homophobic if someone made him angry you'd be as tolerant and understanding towards him?

[user104658]

It's interesting how misogyny is seen as understandable if a man is angry enough. Do you think if he became racist or homophobic if someone made him angry you'd be as tolerant and understanding towards him?


It’s not just that, it’s that anger isn’t going to create a thought. “I got so angry that I lost control of myself and insisted that the moon is square!!” …

You can get so angry that things you’ve been keeping under control bubble to the surface and come out; and yes you can regret that loss of control. You can’t however claim that those thoughts weren’t already present. “Being angry” doesn’t create a worldview. It just lets the mask slip.

[Beso]

I'm confused as to your comment as what he displays on screen comes from a script and director etc.

It's not comparable to being excused of something he feels he hasn't done. Unless he's previously been cast in a film where he has been excused of such serious allegations.

But most of depps acting roles involve him method acting, thus bringing his own take on the role he is playing, Edward scissor hands and of course jack sparrow, along with willy Wonka spring to mind straight away. It's well known the character he brought to proceedings was depp method acting without prompting from the directors.

Depps film persona, and the occasional talk show appearances are the only times we have seen and heard him, so it's really the only way we know him.

So that is why I can only say about him being a different character on film, as its rhe only compatible thing to compare him with his actual self.

[Niamh.]

It’s not just that, it’s that anger isn’t going to create a thought. “I got so angry that I lost control of myself and insisted that the moon is square!!” …

You can get so angry that things you’ve been keeping under control bubble to the surface and come out; and yes you can regret that loss of control. You can’t however claim that those thoughts weren’t already present. “Being angry” doesn’t create a worldview. It just lets the mask slip.

Exactly. I've never accidentally had a racist out burst when I got angry because it's just not something I would do or say ever, sure I have said things I regretted saying out loud in anger but it was always something that on some level I did think/believe

[ThomasC]

It's interesting how misogyny is seen as understandable if a man is angry enough. Do you think if he became racist or homophobic if someone made him angry you'd be as tolerant and understanding towards him?

Misogyny? I don't think he hates women, he probably hates Amber Heard for what he says she has done. She just happens to be a woman.

No I would not be as tolerant or understanding, but they're different. What would homophobia and race have to do with alleged domestic violence?

[ThomasC]

It’s not just that, it’s that anger isn’t going to create a thought. “I got so angry that I lost control of myself and insisted that the moon is square!!” …

You can get so angry that things you’ve been keeping under control bubble to the surface and come out; and yes you can regret that loss of control. You can’t however claim that those thoughts weren’t already present. “Being angry” doesn’t create a worldview. It just lets the mask slip.

I disagree. We can all say spur of the moment things when we're angry, things we haven't thought, said or feel before.if we discover something about someone that we didn't previously know then you're going to be full of new emotions

We're not pre-programmed with thoughts all the time.

[ThomasC]

But most of depps acting roles involve him method acting, thus bringing his own take on the role he is playing, Edward scissor hands and of course jack sparrow, along with willy Wonka spring to mind straight away. It's well known the character he brought to proceedings was depp method acting without prompting from the directors.

Depps film persona, and the occasional talk show appearances are the only times we have seen and heard him, so it's really the only way we know him.

So that is why I can only say about him being a different character on film, as its rhe only compatible thing to compare him with his actual self.

Well it's a very blinkered view you have then.

Acting is playing someone else. It's not the actual person, it's a character they have created.

I'm more open minded and can differentiate between the two.

[user104658]

You don’t think “Low level, dime a dozen, mushy, pointless dangling overused flappy fish market” or “waste of a cum guzzler“ are misogynistic? I can’t imagine anyone genuinely believes these are not examples of misogyny.

Also he tipped his hand in that message with one phrase; “low level”. That’s ****ing Redpill/Incel rhetoric through and through. It’s basically the foundation of their thoughts about women and hierarchies of “worth”.

Redpill forums are heavily into “justice for Johnny”, of course.

[user104658]

I disagree. We can all say spur of the moment things when we're angry, things we haven't thought, said or feel before.if we discover something about someone that we didn't previously know then you're going to be full of new emotions

We're not pre-programmed with thoughts all the time.


Then you can’t possibly think it’s different when someone (in anger) comes out with a tirade of homophobia. That must be equally understandable, as exactly the same would apply.

[ThomasC]

You don’t think “Low level, dime a dozen, mushy, pointless dangling overused flappy fish market” or “waste of a cum guzzler“ are misogynistic? I can’t imagine anyone genuinely believes these are not examples of misogyny.

Also he tipped his hand in that message with one phrase; “low level”. That’s ****ing Redpill/Incel rhetoric through and through. It’s basically the foundation of their thoughts about women and hierarchies of “worth”.

Redpill forums are heavily into “justice for Johnny”, of course.

Misogyny is a hatred towards women.

He has a clear hate towards Amber Heard. Singular. I read 'low level' as him referring to what she has done. It's a low thing to do.

I don't see how you can then claim he has a hatred towards women in general when he's talking about Amber. Misogyny is a hatred towards women. You can hate a person, doesn't mean you then hate all of the same sex.

[ThomasC]

Then you can’t possibly think it’s different when someone (in anger) comes out with a tirade of homophobia. That must be equally understandable, as exactly the same would apply.

Yes I can and do. Explain to me how the same would apply?

I have already said anyway that I do not think it's acceptable and it's disgusting.

Race and homophobia are things that someone can not change about themselves though. Regardless of how much help you get so I don't view it on the same light

[user104658]

I’m interested in what you said about thinking she might be BPD in your observations of her Thomas. I’m not sure I’d agree, but assuming it’s a possibility, surely you’re aware that women with BPD (or EUPD as it’s often diagnosed these days; Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder) are both;

1) Considered to be at increased risk of violence, sexual violence, and coercive control from partners and

2) Largely, BPD/EUPD is triggered by abuse. Not necessarily from Depp, that could be earlier in life, but also past victims of abuse are again at increased risk from abusers.

In fact a lot of the current research/literature is trying to debunk the entire EUPD diagnosis and call it what it is; trauma.

So I guess my question would be… you think she might have EUPD - the first question you have to then ask is “how did she end up with EUPD”. Because it’s not a neuropsychological disease, she didn’t spring up out of the ground with it.

[user104658]

Yes I can and do. Explain to me how the same would apply?

I have already said anyway that I do not think it's acceptable and it's disgusting.

Race and homophobia are things that someone can not change about themselves though. Regardless of how much help you get so I don't view it on the same light


Because your argument is that if it was said in anger, then they may never have thought it before, and might not even genuinely think it. It just randomly came out, they couldn’t help it.

For the rest of it I don’t really understand where you see a difference. How is making abusive comments relating to someone’s race or sexuality any different to making abusive comments relating to them being female?

They’re all equally protected traits under the equalities act, for example.

[user104658]

Misogyny is a hatred towards women.

He has a clear hate towards Amber Heard. Singular. I read 'low level' as him referring to what she has done. It's a low thing to do.

I don't see how you can then claim he has a hatred towards women in general when he's talking about Amber. Misogyny is a hatred towards women. You can hate a person, doesn't mean you then hate all of the same sex.


Because his insults all relate to her being female, they’re not about her character. Flappy fish market?

Low-level means “low worth” and would only ever be said by someone who views women as a commodity. There could have been plausible deniability that he meant her actions were low… but he immediately followed up with “dime a dozen”. Add to that that in Redpill rhetoric a woman’s worth is closely tied to her sexual history (see above, re: fish market, also the comment about strippers). To me he clearly means low-worth.

Also we could point out that amongst his friends is Manson, another partner-beater, and Roman Polanski… an actual rapist and paedophile who sexually assaulted a 13 year old girl… which Johnny openly defended him over in 2010. So a few “clues” about his thoughts on women.

[ThomasC]

Because your argument is that if it was said in anger, then they may never have thought it before, and might not even genuinely think it. It just randomly came out, they couldn’t help it.

For the rest of it I don’t really understand where you see a difference. How is making abusive comments relating to someone’s race or sexuality any different to making abusive comments relating to them being female?

They’re all equally protected traits under the equalities act, for example.

Because a lot of the time homophobia and racism are pre-programmed thoughts. Your beliefs and how you have been brought, ignorance.

So the difference being that he found out what she had done with the restraining order and he was a absolutely outraged and hurt hence his comments.

Does that mean that he already held these thoughts about women generally? Of course not.

Racism and homophobia I feel is different based and on what I have just said.

[ThomasC]

Because his insults all relate to her being female, they’re not about her character. Flappy fish market?

Low-level means “low worth” and would only ever be said by someone who views women as a commodity. There could have been plausible deniability that he meant her actions were low… but he immediately followed up with “dime a dozen”. To me he clearly means low-worth.

Also we could point out that amongst his friends is Manson, another partner-beater, and Roman Polanski… an actual rapist and paedophile who sexually assaulted a 13 year old girl… which Johnny openly defended him over in 2010. So a few “clues” about his thoughts on women.

Hi r said 'low level' and no of course it would not only be said by someone who views women as a commodity. I have called people low level or low life's in my time...it's like saying something someone has done is scummy or that they have scooped to such a level to do such a thing. You can't say that it would only be said by someone who views women as a commodity, what a leap! And actually outrageous thing to say. When he said some a dozen, sure he called her valueless. If you were accused of something you did not to do then you are likely to feel like the other person has no values.

I disagree, I think they are about her character she just happens to be female.

[user104658]

Because a lot of the time homophobia and racism are pre-programmed thoughts. Your beliefs and how you have been brought, ignorance.

So is misogyny though? It’s exactly the same thing. It’s not who he said it about, it’s the words he chose to use. He could have called her the devil, called her scum, called her all sorts of names and made all sorts of comments about her character… heck I’d even accept that if he’d called her a b**** or a *******, those things are baked into culture enough that it could just be him losing his head.

“Flappy fish market” and “cum guzzler” though, then talking about her being low worth, no. He thinks those things. Those things are misogyny as clearly as using racial and homophobic slurs are racism and homophobia.

This does offer an interesting insight into the challenges of tackling misogyny though. Turns out people just don’t think it exists, even when it’s written down right there.

[user104658]

Hi r said 'low level' and no of course it would not only be said by someone who views women as a commodity. I have called people low level or low life's in my time...it's like saying something someone has done is scummy or that they have scooped to such a level to do such a thing. You can't say that it would only be said by someone who views women as a commodity, what a leap! And actually outrageous thing to say. When he said some a dozen, sure he called her valueless. If you were accused of something you did not to do then you are likely to feel like the other person has no values.

I disagree, I think they are about her character she just happens to be female.

He didn’t say “low life”, he said “low level, dime a dozen”. Replaceable. It’s clearer if you see that whole thing, where he’s also talking about all of the “much better women” in the country he’s in at the time (I can’t remember the details).

As a shorter more succinct question; can you explain how “flappy fish market” is about her character and not specifically misogynistic?

Also would calling a gay person a “nasty little ********t” be not-homophobia because it’s a comment on his character (nasty) and “he just happens to be gay”?

[Beso]

I disagree. We can all say spur of the moment things when we're angry, things we haven't thought, said or feel before.if we discover something about someone that we didn't previously know then you're going to be full of new emotions

We're not pre-programmed with thoughts all the time.



But you programme yourself after the those thoughts..he programmed himself to type those thoughts out in a txt, whereas most normal level headed people who dont require anger management therapy would have kept those thoughts inside.

[ThomasC]

I’m interested in what you said about thinking she might be BPD in your observations of her Thomas. I’m not sure I’d agree, but assuming it’s a possibility, surely you’re aware that women with BPD (or EUPD as it’s often diagnosed these days; Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder) are both;

1) Considered to be at increased risk of violence, sexual violence, and coercive control from partners and

2) Largely, BPD/EUPD is triggered by abuse. Not necessarily from Depp, that could be earlier in life, but also past victims of abuse are again at increased risk from abusers.

In fact a lot of the current research/literature is trying to debunk the entire EUPD diagnosis and call it what it is; trauma.

So I guess my question would be… you think she might have EUPD - the first question you have to then ask is “how did she end up with EUPD”. Because it’s not a neuropsychological disease, she didn’t spring up out of the ground with it.

It's not s neuropsychological disease? Where did you get that from?

There's no single cause for it but environmental and genetic factors seem to play a role.

Lack of serotonin, issues with brain development, brain chemicals, past trauma.

So saying she didn't just spring out of the ground with it is incorrect in my opinion. She might have been born with it through genetic factors and/or brain development or she may have developed it in life through trauma.

My family member who had it wasn't abused, but has it along with a severe learning disability

I don't know how she ended up with it, that's if she didn't already have it.

Are you aware that malingering and manipulation play a part?

[ThomasC]

So is misogyny though? It’s exactly the same thing. It’s not who he said it about, it’s the words he chose to use. He could have called her the devil, called her scum, called her all sorts of names and made all sorts of comments about her character… heck I’d even accept that if he’d called her a b**** or a *******, those things are baked into culture enough that it could just be him losing his head.

“Flappy fish market” and “cum guzzler” though, then talking about her being low worth, no. He thinks those things. Those things are misogyny as clearly as using racial and homophobic slurs are racism and homophobia.

This does offer an interesting insight into the challenges of tackling misogyny though. Turns out people just don’t think it exists, even when it’s written down right there.

I do think misogyny exists, a big one being in a lot of religions where women are viewed as less or culturally, for example, Italians it's all about the men and women are often viewed as sex objects.

Cum guzzler I do not view as a word that means you have a hatred towards women. It means just that a cum guzzler.

Flappy Fisk market is derogatory, but I don't think by saying that you have a hatred towards women. It's disrespectful towards women I don't think it's misogyny and he hates all women or views them less, just towards Amber.

We're not going to agree and we're going around on circles on this matter so I'll leave it there on this one, respectfully

[ThomasC]

But you programme yourself after the those thoughts..he programmed himself to type those thoughts out in a txt, whereas most normal level headed people who dont require anger management therapy would have kept those thoughts inside.

I really don't think he was thinking to be honest, probably drunk and high on drugs, very angry.

[Niamh.]

So is misogyny though? It’s exactly the same thing. It’s not who he said it about, it’s the words he chose to use. He could have called her the devil, called her scum, called her all sorts of names and made all sorts of comments about her character… heck I’d even accept that if he’d called her a b**** or a *******, those things are baked into culture enough that it could just be him losing his head.

“Flappy fish market” and “cum guzzler” though, then talking about her being low worth, no. He thinks those things. Those things are misogyny as clearly as using racial and homophobic slurs are racism and homophobia.

This does offer an interesting insight into the challenges of tackling misogyny though. Turns out people just don’t think it exists, even when it’s written down right there.

Yep, that's why when I brought this topic up with Thomas I commented on how I thought the understanding of Depp losing his head and coming out with the words that he did was interesting. And also the reason why I compared it to racism and homophobia. It is quite fascinating that someone could read that paragraph of insults all very specifically attacking her womanhood and claim that it was not misogynistic and that it was different because you can't change your race or being gay that you're just born that way but apparently women aren't born women and instead choose to be? ummm?

[Beso]

I really don't think he was thinking to be honest, probably drunk and high on drugs, very angry.

They do say the truth comes out when drunk.

[ThomasC]

Yep, that's why when I brought this topic up with Thomas I commented on how I thought the understanding of Depp losing his head and coming out with the words that he did was interesting. And also the reason why I compared it to racism and homophobia. It is quite fascinating that someone could read that paragraph of insults all very specifically attacking her womanhood and claim that it was not misogynistic and that it was different because you can't change your race or being gay that you're just born that way but apparently women aren't born women and instead choose to be? ummm?

Misogyny though is a hatred towards women. Plural.

My point being that his comments when angry were directed towards her because of what she has done.

To then say that he has a hatred towards women, again plural because that's what misogyny is, I think is incorrect in my opinion.

To attack someone based on their sexuality or colour of their skin would indeed be homophobic or racist though.

Johnny depps comments were deragatory towards women but I do not feel that he has an innate hatred towards women (again plural).

[user104658]

I do think misogyny exists, a big one being in a lot of religions where women are viewed as less or culturally, for example, Italians it's all about the men and women are often viewed as sex objects.

Cum guzzler I do not view as a word that means you have a hatred towards women. It means just that a cum guzzler.

Flappy Fisk market is derogatory, but I don't think by saying that you have a hatred towards women. It's disrespectful towards women I don't think it's misogyny and he hates all women or views them less, just towards Amber.

We're not going to agree and we're going around on circles on this matter so I'll leave it there on this one, respectfully


I think that’s fair enough, agree it’s run it’s course.

Of course again (as with most of this trial, something aim struggling to get my head around) is that it’s not actually relevant to the trial because it’s not a trial about who did what to whom/who was manipulative or who said what, or content of texts… it’s just about whether or not he hit her.

Like if he really was an angel throughout most of the relationship and she had shocking EUPD and was controlling, manipulative and cruel to him over the course of years… and hit him… and cut off his finger… … and after being pushed too far he sometimes hit her… then he loses the libel case. Because it’s not a criminal trial trying to mitigate his actions, he isn’t on trial defending himself, I think a lot of people think that’s what the trial is when it isn’t. It also isn’t to balance out what she has or hasn’t specifically lied about. The only question is was it libellous for her to say she experienced domestic abuse - Whether that be only on the receiving end or mutual. The reasons don’t matter, who started it or who is worse… I’m really baffled by the number of things that have come out during the trial that just have no relevance to the question being asked.

In fact… the more they paint him as a man tormented and pushed to the edge, the MORE sure I am that he probably hit her.

[Niamh.]

Misogyny though is a hatred towards women. Plural.

My point being that his comments when angry were directed towards her because of what she has done.

To then say that he has a hatred towards women, again plural because that's what misogyny is, I think is incorrect in my opinion.

To attack someone based on their sexuality or colour of their skin would indeed be homophobic or racist though.

Johnny depps comments were deragatory towards women but I do not feel that he has an innate hatred towards women (again plural).

So if he had an argument with a co worker and it got nasty, the argument was nothing to do with the fact that his co worker was black but when he's ranting about the co worker he calls him a black ****, that wouldn't be racist because the argument wasn't about him being black and also he gets on with most other black people?

[ThomasC]

I think that’s fair enough, agree it’s run it’s course.

Of course again (as with most of this trial, something aim struggling to get my head around) is that it’s not actually relevant to the trial because it’s not a trial about who did what to whom/who was manipulative or who said what, or content of texts… it’s just about whether or not he hit her.

Like if he really was an angel throughout most of the relationship and she had shocking EUPD and was controlling, manipulative and cruel to him over the course of years… and hit him… and cut off his finger… … and after being pushed too far he sometimes hit her… then he loses the libel case. Because it’s not a criminal trial trying to mitigate his actions, he isn’t on trial defending himself, I think a lot of people think that’s what the trial is when it isn’t. It also isn’t to balance out what she has or hasn’t specifically lied about. The only question is was it libellous for her to say she experienced domestic abuse - Whether that be only on the receiving end or mutual. The reasons don’t matter, who started it or who is worse… I’m really baffled by the number of things that have come out during the trial that just have no relevance to the question being asked.

In fact… the more they paint him as a man tormented and pushed to the edge, the MORE sure I am that he probably hit her.

I think it is relevant to the trial because it paints the picture needed as to whether he was a 'wife beater ' and consequently whether the article was correct or not.

You need substance to determine that and hence how on depth they have gotten with the trial.

I can't say whether he hit or abused her, but so much evidence, imo, along with expert opinion paints Amber as someone who was really histrionic, manipulative and a malingerer. I'm finding it hard of evidence towards the contrary apart from texts I have seen from Johnny which are disgusting, two of which he says he did not send.

[Beso]

Dr Gilbert floundering.

[ThomasC]

So if he had an argument with a co worker and it got nasty, the argument was nothing to do with the fact that his co worker was black but when he's ranting about the co worker he calls him a black ****, that wouldn't be racist because the argument wasn't about him being black and also he gets on with most other black people?

That would be racist.

You've just ignored everything else I wrote though about the definition of misogyny though.

Can you provide evidence of where Johnny Depp has shown other hatred towards women?

If I can see a reoccurring theme where he has then I may change my opinion that he is not misogynistic towards women

[Alf]

There's another court case been happening while everyone's been distracted with this showbiz one.

Hillary Clinton isn't coming out of it too well. That's why you're watching this one.

[ThomasC]

I had so much planned to do today and Im getting so distracted on here and this court case. Ughhhh

[user104658]

I think it is relevant to the trial because it paints the picture needed as to whether he was a 'wife beater ' and consequently whether the article was correct or not.

You need substance to determine that and hence how on depth they have gotten with the trial.

I can't say whether he hit or abused her, but so much evidence, imo, along with expert opinion paints Amber as someone who was really histrionic, manipulative and a malingerer. I'm finding it hard of evidence towards the contrary apart from texts I have seen from Johnny which are disgusting, two of which he says he did not send.


Ok but even if we accept the premise as true (that she was awful and driving him mad) … and even if it would somewhat explain him losing his head … does the increasing volume of evidence that she made his life miserable not make you think “maybe he did end up retaliating”?

Even if one does find that justified (I personally don’t think ANY violence is ever justified, but could sometimes be explainable - but I know there’s varying thoughts on that) then, again, that’s all that matters in THIS case. All of the rest of it would matter if he was on trial for assault; he is not. If he was on trial FOR hitting her, showing that she had pushed him to the edge would be hugely relevant. But it’s a libel trial and in that sense, their actual behaviour and character doesn’t matter at all. Again I honestly the think the worse they make her seem, the more realistic it becomes (even to a Depp supporter) that he eventually lashed out… and that’s all that matters. If he did, she wasn’t lying, the claim of libel is thrown out… no one is going to jail.

[Niamh.]

That would be racist.

You've just ignored everything else I wrote though about the definition of misogyny though.

Can you provide evidence of where Johnny Depp has shown other hatred towards women?

If I can see a reoccurring theme where he has then I may change my opinion that he is not misogynistic towards women

So one simple comment "black ****" is racist all on it's own, no other history of racism or hatred towards black people needed, but Depp's words which are all much harsher and focused on her womanhood are not misogynistic unless there's well documented proof of him hating women? How do you reconcile those two opinions in your head Thomas. I don't understand it?

I don't follow JD's life enough to give you any examples outside of what's been said in this thread however I can give you 2 examples solely from this thread, which imo is pretty good going.

1. The other text to Paul Bettany where he says he wants to **** her corpse after he burns her to make sure she's dead

2. If what TS said is true about him defending Roman polanski then that is a pretty stark example right there

[Niamh.]

But to add, I don't think you need any proof that someones hates women to think that something they said is misogynistic in the same way I don't need to know anything about a persons attitudes toward black people in everyday life to think that calling someone a black **** is racist :shrug:

[Niamh.]

There's another court case been happening while everyone's been distracted with this showbiz one.

Hillary Clinton isn't coming out of it too well. That's why you're watching this one.

Yes I know, I would MUCH rather have seen that one play out in public

[Niamh.]

So one simple comment "black ****" is racist all on it's own, no other history of racism or hatred towards black people needed, but Depp's words which are all much harsher and focused on her womanhood are not misogynistic unless there's well documented proof of him hating women? How do you reconcile those two opinions in your head Thomas. I don't understand it?

I don't follow JD's life enough to give you any examples outside of what's been said in this thread however I can give you 2 examples solely from this thread, which imo is pretty good going.

1. The other text to Paul Bettany where he says he wants to **** her corpse after he burns her to make sure she's dead

2. If what TS said is true about him defending Roman polanski then that is a pretty stark example right there

And just so we're clear, he's basically saying he would rape her there in that one.

[user104658]

But to add, I don't think you need any proof that someones hates women to think that something they said is misogynistic in the same way I don't need to know anything about a persons attitudes toward black people in everyday life to think that calling someone a black **** is racist :shrug:


Again I think it just comes down to the phrasing; I think you need some pretty solid ongoing evidence to say to someone, “you are a racist”, “you are a misogynist”, “you are a homophobe” - those are big claims and that’s actually something I learned on here (hashing out epic thread with ol Kirk Lancaster).

But you can point out someone’s misogyny (or racism, or homophobia) in their words and actions without making it core to them as an individual.

Depp’s text message to me highlight a clear indication that he holds some angry misogynistic thoughts. Does that mean I think he “hates all women”? Absolutely not, but I think it plays heavily into the things he has to say about Heard.

[Niamh.]

Again I think it just comes down to the phrasing; I think you need some pretty solid ongoing evidence to say to someone, “you are a racist”, “you are a misogynist”, “you are a homophobe” - those are big claims and that’s actually something I learned on here (hashing out epic thread with ol Kirk Lancaster).

But you can point out someone’s misogyny (or racism, or homophobia) in their words and actions without making it core to them as an individual.

Depp’s text message to me highlight a clear indication that he holds some angry misogynistic thoughts. Does that mean I think he “hates all women”? Absolutely not, but I think it plays heavily into the things he has to say about Heard.

Absolutely.

[user104658]

Depp’s text message to me highlight a clear indication

Just to clarify, this was some poor punctuation, it should say “Depp’s text messages, to me, highlight…”

I was not claiming that Johnny Depp has been texting me :laugh:.

…not about the trial anyway, he did send me an unsolicited picture of his cock dressed up as Captain Jack Sparrow :worry:.


..

Disclaimer in case he’s reading this: the above is intended as a joke, please do not sue me for libel Johnny Depp. I don’t have £50 million.

[Niamh.]

:laugh2:

[Vanessa]

Some people think it could be a hung jury.
I also don't think they will all agree.

[Niamh.]

Some people think it could be a hung jury.
I also don't think they will all agree.

What happens if it's a hung jury? Do they have to start the whole thing again with a new Jury? :skull:

[Vanessa]

What happens if it's a hung jury? Do they have to start the whole thing again with a new Jury? :skull:
There could be another trial.
Or Johnny's camp could decide not to bother.

[Niamh.]

There could be another trial.
Or Johnny's camp could decide not to bother.

Oh Lord, please no :laugh:

[Vanessa]

There are rumours that Amber is blackmailing Elon Musk. If this is true or not, I don't know. :shocked:

[Niamh.]

There are rumours that Amber is blackmailing Elon Musk. If this is true or not, I don't know. :shocked:

Remember no believing rumours without hard evidence :laugh:

[user104658]

There are rumours that Amber is blackmailing Elon Musk. If this is true or not, I don't know. :shocked:


Utter nonsense, with the sort of money and influence he has he could make her evaporate over night.

[Vanessa]

Remember no believing rumours without hard evidence :laugh:

Yeah, I know. I'm not sure about that.
But Elon Musk did make charity donations in her name. The detective in me is suspicious :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Utter nonsense, with the sort of money and influence he has he could make her evaporate over night.
I really hope you're right.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I know. I'm not sure about that.
But Elon Musk did make charity donations in her name. The detective in me is suspicious :laugh:

If it is true though and he is actually paying her to keep quiet about something then it must be pretty bad

[Vanessa]

If it is true though and he is actually paying her to keep quiet about something then it must be pretty bad

It's all over twitter. I can't write it here, it's that bad.

[Niamh.]

It's all over twitter. I can't write it here, it's that bad.

goes to google.....BRB

[Vanessa]

I'm often on twitter to follow the soaps.
Lately people have been posting about the trail.

[Niamh.]

The article I found doesn't actually give much details other than Elon Musk(allegedly) has a morally questionable "kink"

[Vanessa]

The article I found doesn't actually give much details other than Elon Musk(allegedly) has a morally questionable "kink"

Apparently she has a video of him he's desperate it doesn't come out.

[ThomasC]

So one simple comment "black ****" is racist all on it's own, no other history of racism or hatred towards black people needed, but Depp's words which are all much harsher and focused on her womanhood are not misogynistic unless there's well documented proof of him hating women? How do you reconcile those two opinions in your head Thomas. I don't understand it?

I don't follow JD's life enough to give you any examples outside of what's been said in this thread however I can give you 2 examples solely from this thread, which imo is pretty good going.

1. The other text to Paul Bettany where he says he wants to **** her corpse after he burns her to make sure she's dead

2. If what TS said is true about him defending Roman polanski then that is a pretty stark example right there

But it's all against one woman, that woman being Amber Heard.

Where we differ I think is in our definition of misogyny.

I have said numerous times that his comments are derogatory. Derogatory to women.

However, I don't think he is a misoginist because the definition of misogyny is a hatred towards women. There are no women, he's referring to Amber Heard. It's one woman.... So for those reasons I do not feel he meets the definition, neither do I think it's fair, that he is labelled a misogynist.

I have not defended his comments, I have tried to understand them and understood why he was angry and what might make him say those things. I do not condone his comments and think they're disgusting.

Difference with racism and homophobia is that the definitions of them and what would constitute racism and homophobia are different.

[Vanessa]

The article I found doesn't actually give much details other than Elon Musk(allegedly) has a morally questionable "kink"
This is the article :shocked:
https://poptopic.com.au/rumour/amber-heard-allegedly-blackmailed-elon-musk/?fbclid=IwAR2ifdGVZjKF3qbw0_1UJZFEPk4DDPE9WmfhZqds LsyVB7tYgGjGZQyGPks

[bots]

the worlds richest man is not going to be blackmailed

[Vanessa]

the worlds richest man is not going to be blackmailedDepends what she has on him. She takes videos of everything, like she did with Johnny. :suspect:

[user104658]

But it's all against one woman, that woman being Amber Heard.

Where we differ I think is in our definition of misogyny.

I have said numerous times that his comments are derogatory. Derogatory to women.

However, I don't think he is a misoginist because the definition of misogyny is a hatred towards women. There are no women, he's referring to Amber Heard. It's one woman.... So for those reasons I do not feel he meets the definition, neither do I think it's fair, that he is labelled a misogynist.

I have not defended his comments, I have tried to understand them and understood why he was angry and what might make him say those things. I do not condone his comments and think they're disgusting.

Difference with racism and homophobia is that the definitions of them and what would constitute racism and homophobia are different.


It doesn’t necessarily mean a hatred, just an ingrained prejudice, or feeling of superiority (no matter how subconscious) is a form of misogyny. Yes the word itself etymologically means “a hatred of” but it’s not a necessary part of the modern definition, any more than it’s necessary for someone to be fearful of gay people to make a homophobic joke. A phobia is a fear. And yes, plenty of prejudice against gay people is rooted in irrational fear, but certainly not all of it… plenty of arseholea out there happily throwing around jokes at gay peoples expense who have no literal fear whatsoever. It’s still appropriate to define their jokes as homophobia. Words don’t have to follow their etymology to the letter.

[Niamh.]

But it's all against one woman, that woman being Amber Heard.




But my racism example was just against one man?


Where we differ I think is in our definition of misogyny.

The definition of misogyny is no different to the definition of racism though?
It's a hatred/prejudice based on a particular demographic that a person belongs to

I have said numerous times that his comments are derogatory. Derogatory to women.

So how can you think they're derogatory to women but not think they're misogynistic?

However, I don't think he is a misoginist because the definition of misogyny is a hatred towards women. There are no women, he's referring to Amber Heard. It's one woman.... So for those reasons I do not feel he meets the definition, neither do I think it's fair, that he is labelled a misogynist.

I never called him a misogynist though, I said his comments were misogynistic. As with racism, i don't need to know anything about a person's everyday attitudes and treatment of black people to think that a particular comment they made was racist.

I have not defended his comments, I have tried to understand them and understood why he was angry and what might make him say those things. I do not condone his comments and think they're disgusting.

I didn't say you defended his comments, I simply asked why you understood why he came out with them but you wouldn't have the same understanding if his comments had been racist or homophobic

Difference with racism and homophobia is that the definitions of them and what would constitute racism and homophobia are different.

Absolutely disagree

[Niamh.]

This is the article :shocked:
https://poptopic.com.au/rumour/amber-heard-allegedly-blackmailed-elon-musk/?fbclid=IwAR2ifdGVZjKF3qbw0_1UJZFEPk4DDPE9WmfhZqds LsyVB7tYgGjGZQyGPks

Yeah that's the one I read, it doesn't really give any details other than what he paid women to do (one of them Amber herself) can't see how she could blackmail him over something she did?

[Zizu]

This is the article :shocked:
https://poptopic.com.au/rumour/amber-heard-allegedly-blackmailed-elon-musk/?fbclid=IwAR2ifdGVZjKF3qbw0_1UJZFEPk4DDPE9WmfhZqds LsyVB7tYgGjGZQyGPks


Mmmm check out a few of the other ‘stories’ .. .

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[Niamh.]

What I'm trying to say Thomas is yes the comment was directed at 1 woman he clearly has massive issues with but as TS said earlier, it isn't that I don't understand that people get angry and can say nasty things about a person they're angry with, but it was the specific words he used ie. his whole attack was focused on her sex rather than her being a terrible person which then makes it offensive to women in general, am I making any sense? :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Yeah that's the one I read, it doesn't really give any details other than what he paid women to do (one of them Amber herself) can't see how she could blackmail him over something she did?

That's true. She would be exposed as well.
I suppose it depends what it is.

[Vanessa]

Mmmm check out a few of the other ‘stories’ .. .

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Which one?
The Sun photoshopped Amber picture? I knew that already. That's not a shock for me at all.

[Vanessa]

Guys, Amber just admitted she wrote the OP about Johnny! On cross examination! Wow :shocked:

[Alf]

Where are you watching it? Is it live on YouTube?

[Vanessa]

Where are you watching it? Is it live on YouTube?

Not today, because I'm travelling. I'm on twitter.
People who are there have been posting about it.

[Vanessa]

It is available to watch on YouTube.
Quite fascinating. I love watching trials.

[Alf]

Just talking heads talking at the moment so I assume it's over for today?

QlTNO3UgAs8

[Vanessa]

Just talking heads talking at the moment so I assume it's over for today?

QlTNO3UgAs8

I think so.

[Zizu]

Which one?
The Sun photoshopped Amber picture? I knew that already. That's not a shock for me at all.


There’s a few dodgy stories on that same website.. like “ Kendall Kardashian nearly chopped her fingers off making dinner “

Just seem like nonsense storylines


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[Vanessa]

I think Johnny may have won the case with that last cross.
Camilla was fantastic!

[Vanessa]

There’s a few dodgy stories on that same website.. like “ Kendall Kardashian nearly chopped her fingers off making dinner “

Just seem like nonsense storylines


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I hope you're right. Surely Elon Musk is smarter than this?

[GoldHeart]

Kate Moss was great
proving Amber talks utter rubbish.

AH has made a total fool of herself .
I'm glad KM came through & testified :clap1: .

[Vanessa]

AH has made a total fool of herself .
I'm glad KM came through & testified :clap1: .

Not Amber admitting she wrote the OP about Johnny. Shw cracked under cross :shocked:

[rusticgal]

Been watching her on the stand….talk about flit from one extreme to another. One minute she is playing the victim…creasing her face up with extreme emotion…but no tears :shrug:…..then came the defiant bitch when cross examined.

[Beso]

I've been watching johnny on the stand disrespecting the court and everyone in it with his bull**** games.

[Vanessa]

Been watching her on the stand….talk about flit from one extreme to another. One minute she is playing the victim…creasing her face up with extreme emotion…but no tears :shrug:…..then came the defiant bitch when cross examined.

She just admitted the op was about Johnny!
This may be the only time she ever told the truth :laugh:

[rusticgal]

I've been watching johnny on the stand disrespecting the court and everyone in it with his bull**** games.


I agree….He was has shown moments of arrogance and disrespect especially when I saw him in the stand yesterday…

[GoldHeart]

That would be racist.

You've just ignored everything else I wrote though about the definition of misogyny though.

Can you provide evidence of where Johnny Depp has shown other hatred towards women?

If I can see a reoccurring theme where he has then I may change my opinion that he is not misogynistic towards women

Another thing aswell Thomas
Is the texts seem to have been misrepresented, JD's legal team didn't get a chance to check , because AH 's lawyer kept zooming through everything like a wasp on a sugar rush. He wouldn't even let JD finish his sentences.

I think when he referes to "Molly" it might actually be about drugs ,and not a particular woman. But I'm no drug expert. Also AH's legal team seem to have forgotten that JD also gets his assistants to send texts/ use his phone aswell .

[GoldHeart]

Apparently she has a video of him he's desperate it doesn't come out.

Imagine if he had a video of her to blackmail her with,then suddenly It's ' misogyny' :idc: .

Also people think JD's insults are ' sexist' .

But both men & women get nasty and talk about eachothers private bits in arguments. And they both get mean about eachothers looks & weight & age .

[ThomasC]

But my racism example was just against one man?



The definition of misogyny is no different to the definition of racism though?
It's a hatred/prejudice based on a particular demographic that a person belongs to



So how can you think they're derogatory to women but not think they're misogynistic?



I never called him a misogynist though, I said his comments were misogynistic. As with racism, i don't need to know anything about a person's everyday attitudes and treatment of black people to think that a particular comment they made was racist.



I didn't say you defended his comments, I simply asked why you understood why he came out with them but you wouldn't have the same understanding if his comments had been racist or homophobic



Absolutely disagree

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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

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: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women a culture that promotes violence and misogyny … battled the personal demons of alcoholism, racism, and misogyny.—


The first two can apply to one person
I am racist towards one person. I am homophobic towards one perso. ....or you are racist towards a group of people, you are homophobic towards a group of people.

Then there is misogyny. Misognyw is not towards a single person, it is a hatred towards women.

Really don't know how many times I need to say this and that is my reasoning behind my opinion that he is not a misoginist.

[ThomasC]

It doesn’t necessarily mean a hatred, just an ingrained prejudice, or feeling of superiority (no matter how subconscious) is a form of misogyny. Yes the word itself etymologically means “a hatred of” but it’s not a necessary part of the modern definition, any more than it’s necessary for someone to be fearful of gay people to make a homophobic joke. A phobia is a fear. And yes, plenty of prejudice against gay people is rooted in irrational fear, but certainly not all of it… plenty of arseholea out there happily throwing around jokes at gay peoples expense who have no literal fear whatsoever. It’s still appropriate to define their jokes as homophobia. Words don’t have to follow their etymology to the letter.

Yes hatred, prejudice, superiority. That's misogny towards women

[Beso]

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But both men & women get nasty and talk about eachothers private bits in arguments. And they both get mean about eachothers looks & weight & age .[/QUOTE]



Only in abusive relationships..

[ThomasC]

What I'm trying to say Thomas is yes the comment was directed at 1 woman he clearly has massive issues with but as TS said earlier, it isn't that I don't understand that people get angry and can say nasty things about a person they're angry with, but it was the specific words he used ie. his whole attack was focused on her sex rather than her being a terrible person which then makes it offensive to women in general, am I making any sense? :laugh:

Yes total sense in what you have just said.

Maybe I'm being really pedantic, but it's not misogny still unless it can be proven that he has a hatred towards other women too which would then prove that he actually is a misoginist.

Yes it's offensive and derogatory towards woman, I've said that myself earlier in thread, but I'm not just going to throw out such a big world and label him a misoginist because of his arguments with his ex wife.

Also, re some texts you mentioned earlier I think. When they showed these in court to which Johnny said he'd never written them, above the text it said 'incoming' which suggests he did not type them.

He did admit to sending the fish market one though. But there were two others, one about Molly

[ThomasC]

I think Johnny may have won the case with that last cross.
Camilla was fantastic!

Camille is outstanding. Regardless that she is one of Johnny depps attorneys....she is amazing at her job.

Rudnick brown in general, the law firm hired by Johnny Depp, have a team of really good lawyers.

I think Amber has been let down by hers, but then I suppose you can only work with what you've got evidence wise.

[GoldHeart]

Only in abusive relationships..

BS , it isn't always abusive relationships. It's pettiness from either being dumped or wanting attention etc.

Vardy among others have gotten nasty about bloke's manhood,and how "bad they are in bed" in gory details . Like any of us really want to hear that :bored: .

[user104658]

Yes total sense in what you have just said.

Maybe I'm being really pedantic, but it's not misogny still unless it can be proven that he has a hatred towards other women too which would then prove that he actually is a misoginist.

Yes it's offensive and derogatory towards woman, I've said that myself earlier in thread, but I'm not just going to throw out such a big world and label him a misoginist because of his arguments with his ex wife.

Also, re some texts you mentioned earlier I think. When they showed these in court to which Johnny said he'd never written them, above the text it said 'incoming' which suggests he did not type them.

He did admit to sending the fish market one though. But there were two others, one about Molly


I suppose we just disagree on how much proof is required… I personally don’t believe that any man would use the language that he used in those messages unless they had some disdain for women in general. Some might argue that “everyone gets like that in the heat of the moment” but it’s just not true… especially as it’s not something he spat AT her to hurt her - it’s things he said later, to one of his male pals.

[Beso]

BS , it isn't always abusive relationships. It's pettiness from either being dumped or wanting attention etc.

Vardy among others have gotten nasty about bloke's manhood,and how "bad they are in bed" in gory details . Like any of us really want to hear that :bored: .

Was she arguing with her partner?

I think not.

But if you think calling someone hanging fanny in the middle of an argument is normal......!

[ThomasC]

BS , it isn't always abusive relationships. It's pettiness from either being dumped or wanting attention etc.

Vardy among others have gotten nasty about bloke's manhood,and how "bad they are in bed" in gory details . Like any of us really want to hear that :bored: .

Omg, critising a man's willy and how good he is in bed?

What's that called? Manisoginy?

[ThomasC]

I suppose we just disagree on how much proof is required… I personally don’t believe that any man would use the language that he used in those messages unless they had some disdain for women in general. Some might argue that “everyone gets like that in the heat of the moment” but it’s just not true… especially as it’s not something he spat AT her to hurt her - it’s things he said later, to one of his male pals.

I'd say it needs to be more than one person to fairly say he has a hatred, superiority etc towards women. :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

Omg, critising a man's willy and how good he is in bed?

What's that called? Manisoginy?

Apparently it's ok though .

Also what do people think when blokes get called "b1tch" & "cck suckers" , is that not an attack on their gender?? .

The funny thing is nobody is condoning JD's verbal insults , it's all out there and the whole thing is ugly . But I find it interesting, how AH can say & do anything and it gets brushed over . Even taking a dump in the bed .

[ThomasC]

Apparently it's ok though .

Also what do people think when blokes get called "b1tch" & "cck suckers" , is that not an attack on their gender?? .

The funny thing is nobody is condoning JD's verbal insults , it's all out there and the whole thing is ugly . But I find it interesting, how AH can say & do anything and it gets brushed over . Even taking a dump in the bed .

TBF I think the amount of Amber Heard supporters is an extreme minority.

Law & Order on YouTibe which is one of the channels that broadcasts the live court feed has a live channel. Last couple of days there has been in excess of 1 million + viewers and there's live chat, 99% of those are supporting Depp.

[ThomasC]

Apparently it's ok though .

Also what do people think when blokes get called "b1tch" & "cck suckers" , is that not an attack on their gender?? .

The funny thing is nobody is condoning JD's verbal insults , it's all out there and the whole thing is ugly . But I find it interesting, how AH can say & do anything and it gets brushed over . Even taking a dump in the bed .


Also feminism and misogony has just got so out of hand it's ridiculous.

Words are thrown around left right and centre.

So much for a woman standing on their own two feet, it's crap.Power to the women who are strong and independent, not the bloody snowflakes who just use anything to scream labels

Man up as piers Morgan would say and have a stiff upper lip, you can't say anything these days and if you do you're labelled... Not talking about Johnny Depp or Amber Heard here but just generally.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah I've been watching the law & crime channel & the other live trial channel on YouTube. I think I've watched most of the trial now .

You're right about it taking over lives, I kept watching video after video and kept thinking I must go to sleep :skull: .

[ThomasC]

Yeah I've been watching the law & crime channel & the other live trial channel on YouTube. I think I've watched most of the trial now .

You're right about it taking over lives, I kept watching video after video and kept thinking I must go to sleep :skull: .

I'm livid I'm working tomorrow and won't catch it live.

I'm going to have to find something else to occupy myself with after this trial.

[Beso]

TBF I think the amount of Amber Heard supporters is an extreme minority.

Law & Order on YouTibe which is one of the channels that broadcasts the live court feed has a live channel. Last couple of days there has been in excess of 1 million + viewers and there's live chat, 99% of those are supporting Depp.

Obviously they support depp, just have a look at all that youtube channels mini clips, and especially the wording on the clips.

[user104658]

Also feminism and misogony has just got so out of hand it's ridiculous.

Words are thrown around left right and centre.

So much for a woman standing on their own two feet, it's crap.Power to the women who are strong and independent, not the bloody snowflakes who just use anything to scream labels

Man up as piers Morgan would say

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[Niamh.]

Also feminism and misogony has just got so out of hand it's ridiculous.

Words are thrown around left right and centre.

So much for a woman standing on their own two feet, it's crap.Power to the women who are strong and independent, not the bloody snowflakes who just use anything to scream labels

Man up as piers Morgan would say and have a stiff upper lip, you can't say anything these days and if you do you're labelled... Not talking about Johnny Depp or Amber Heard here but just generally.You could have just said women are fair game but gay people and people of colour are not earlier on to save me wasting my time actually trying to have a discussion with you about it then. [emoji849]

[GoldHeart]

I'm livid I'm working tomorrow and won't catch it live.

I'm going to have to find something else to occupy myself with after this trial.

Just watch it back on the YouTube channels, that's what I'm going to do when I get home from work. But I'll probably watch it late in the night or Something.

[Beso]

I wonder if he actually has brought up her sexual orientation in the past..her bisexualness for instance.

Do we think he may have called her a rug muncher or something like that in the past?

[GoldHeart]

Her hair looks like a ice cream swirl :idc:

[ThomasC]

You could have just said women are fair game but gay people and people of colour are not earlier on to save me wasting my time actually trying to have a discussion with you about it then. [emoji849]

Completely taken out of context.

My comments weren't referring to those who generally suffer, but how words can be thrown around so easily under the guise of something being misoginistic or anti-feminist.

Women want equality right, but then some can't handle it.

Cum guzzler, bitch, fanny sucker, small man syndrome, small willy etc etc... What we calling that? Derogatory language or am I a?? What??? A male version of a feminist towards men?

Yes some are misoginistic and of course it's a thing, but when is it actually genuinely a thing or used for someone to claim victim.....because I think it is misused and some women just can't handle equality and being treated with equality to the opposite sex.

Hope that explains my point I was trying to make....so no I don't just think women are fair game.

[user104658]

A bit fatalist surely to say that if people want equality, they should be equally open to abusive language? The comparative things you’re saying people say about men aren’t OK either.

One major difference that you might note though, is that when shaming language is used against women it’s usually centred around sex/their sexuality/their sexual worth/their worth to men in general.

When shaming language is used against men it’s usually centred around them being unmanly, or woman-like.

So supposedly the worst thing a woman can be , the thing that should be really offensive to them, is being sexually unappealing to men…and the worst thing a man can be is “not manly enough”.

These things bear some thinking about when trying to see how it’s different. And you can see why it makes it more similar to what minorities face. The shaming women, gay people, and racial minorities are subject to are for being what they ARE. The shaming men face is for being NOT ENOUGH of what they are.

Therein lies the inherent misogyny of western patriarchy.

[Beso]

Her hair looks like a ice cream swirl :idc:

His face looks like a wife beaters

[ThomasC]

A bit fatalist surely to say that if people want equality, they should be equally open to abusive language? The comparative things you’re saying people say about men aren’t OK either.

One major difference that you might note though, is that when shaming language is used against women it’s usually centred around sex/their sexuality/their sexual worth/their worth to men in general.

When shaming language is used against men it’s usually centred around them being unmanly, or woman-like.

So supposedly the worst thing a woman can be , the thing that should be really offensive to them, is being sexually unappealing to men…and the worst thing a man can be is “not manly enough”.

These things bear some thinking about when trying to see how it’s different. And you can see why it makes it more similar to what minorities face. The shaming women, gay people, and racial minorities are subject to are for being what they ARE. The shaming men face is for being NOT ENOUGH of what they are.

Therein lies the inherent misogyny of western patriarchy.

What they are and not enough of what they are.....it's still an attack against their sex.

I don't necessarily agree with your characterisation of what you deem usually shaming language..... But that's subjective so fair enough.

Women are not a minority so I strike that comment after 'and you see' :nono::joker::laugh:

[ThomasC]

Just watch it back on the YouTube channels, that's what I'm going to do when I get home from work. But I'll probably watch it late in the night or Something.

Yeah I will do, I just like to watch it live with the commentary.

I will catch up on Sunday probably.

It could take weeks for the jury to decide although I imagine it will more likely be days. Due to long weekend in US, could have a decision on Tuesday.

Yesterday they sorted the jury instructions and any motions.

Today each side has two hours for closing arguments....starting 2pm UK time...... They can use any evidence that is already submitted as part of their closing arguments... Johnny is going first then Amber.

Not sure who is doing Johnny's, I know Ben Chew did opening so I imagine he will do closing.

[Niamh.]

A bit fatalist surely to say that if people want equality, they should be equally open to abusive language? The comparative things you’re saying people say about men aren’t OK either.

One major difference that you might note though, is that when shaming language is used against women it’s usually centred around sex/their sexuality/their sexual worth/their worth to men in general.

When shaming language is used against men it’s usually centred around them being unmanly, or woman-like.

So supposedly the worst thing a woman can be , the thing that should be really offensive to them, is being sexually unappealing to men…and the worst thing a man can be is “not manly enough”.

These things bear some thinking about when trying to see how it’s different. And you can see why it makes it more similar to what minorities face. The shaming women, gay people, and racial minorities are subject to are for being what they ARE. The shaming men face is for being NOT ENOUGH of what they are.

Therein lies the inherent misogyny of western patriarchy.

Yeah, pretty much. One example Thomas used was a man being called a bitch because what's worse for a man than being called a woman!

I see it all the time as well when people talk about girls at school, that girls are "bitchy" but boys are laid back and never act like that, if they have an argument they sort it with their fist raawr and are best friends again the next day. That's such a lie and one everyone believes for some reason. I have a son and a daughter both of them have had similar issues in their friend groups growing up. The difference is in the way people react to hearing about those problems, if a girl in a girl friendship group does something sneaky or bullying towards another girl in that group people say stuff like "That's girls for you" "Girls are so bitchy in school" where as if a similar thing happened in a boy friendship group the individual boy is blamed as being a bad apple or else he's like a girl.

[ThomasC]

Yeah, pretty much. One example Thomas used was a man being called a bitch because what's worse for a man than being called a woman!

I see it all the time as well when people talk about girls at school, that girls are "bitchy" but boys are laid back and never act like that, if they have an argument they sort it with their fist raawr and are best friends again the next day. That's such a lie and one everyone believes for some reason. I have a son and a daughter both of them have had similar issues in their friend groups growing up. The difference is in the way people react to hearing about those problems, if a girl in a girl friendship group does something sneaky or bullying towards another girl in that group people say stuff like "That's girls for you" "Girls are so bitchy in school" where as if a similar thing happened in a boy friendship group the individual boy is blamed as being a bad apple or else he's like a girl.


Disagree and such sweeping generalisation.

How about that person is a bully, he's trying to fit in, she's trying to fit in,jealousy, peer pressure, hormones etc.

As for the example you quoted that I used, that's your opinion of what it would feel like for a man being called that. It's like you expect special treatment:nono:

[ThomasC]

*100 pages later*

Thomas, Niamh and Toy Soldier still going on about the same thing

[Niamh.]

Disagree and such sweeping generalisation.

How about that person is a bully, he's trying to fit in, she's trying to fit in,jealousy, peer pressure, hormones etc.

As for the example you quoted that I used, that's your opinion of what it would feel like for a man being called that. It's like you expect special treatment:nono:

What do you mean I expect special treatment? in what way? I've never called a man a bitch either by the way (unless I'm channeling my inner Jessie)

Also, how am I using sweeping generalisations when I'm talking about my own experiences

[ThomasC]

What do you mean I expect special treatment? in what way? I've never called a man a bitch either by the way (unless I'm channeling my inner Jessie)

Also, how am I using sweeping generalisations when I'm talking about my own experiences

Because you're trying to tell a man how he should feel, 'because what's worse for a man than being called a women'. ....so that's why I added it's like you expect special treatment....because you're a woman and only certain words can hurt you, but I can't be hurt by being called a bitch? My words btw, but trying to understand that quoted comment.

Your second part, because you're applying your own experiences to then imply that most would feel that same way or view that (your words, 'people'), that's just girls for you and men are bad apples or else he's a girl. I don't doubt that some would say those things, but it's not a true reflection of reality as a whole.

It's sweeping for those reasons.

How about take the sex out of it and call it for what it is? Rather than having this male and female divide which often doesn't need to be there......calling it rather bullying, age related behaviour, hormones, peer pressure etc which is all very prevelant in school environments regardless of sex.

Let's deal with equality and diversity on that level.

[user104658]

Women are not a minority so I strike that comment after 'and you see' :nono::joker::laugh:

Is that really the crux of the issue, then? You don't believe that women can face oppression - or at least not the same kind of oppression - based on being women, because they are not a literal minority by-the-numbers?

[bots]

the sooner this trial is consigned to history the better

[ThomasC]

Is that really the crux of the issue, then? You don't believe that women can face oppression - or at least not the same kind of oppression - based on being women, because they are not a literal minority by-the-numbers?

Of course they can face oppression and face misogony.

I gave an example a few pages back quoting religion which would not be specific to one woman, but women as a whole. Clear misogony based on beliefs.

You tried to use women as a minority when comparing what minority groups face hence my comment.

[Niamh.]

Because you're trying to tell a man how he should feel, 'because what's worse for a man than being called a women'. ....so that's why I added it's like you expect special treatment....because you're a woman and only certain words can hurt you, but I can't be hurt by being called a bitch? My words btw, but trying to understand that quoted comment.

I'm not telling you how anyone should feel. I'm giving you my opinion on these particular insults. I still have no idea what special treatment you think I'm looking for? You seem to be saying that I think it's ok for men to be insulted which I'm not at all........?


Your second part, because you're applying your own experiences to then imply that most would feel that same way or view that (your words, 'people'), that's just girls for you and men are bad apples or else he's a girl. I don't doubt that some would say those things, but it's not a true reflection of reality as a whole.

It's sweeping for those reasons.

OK maybe a bit but I find it hard to believe you've never heard phrases like that though :shrug:



How about take the sex out of it and call it for what it is? Rather than having this male and female divide which often doesn't need to be there......calling it rather bullying, age related behaviour, hormones, peer pressure etc which is all very prevelant in school environments regardless of sex.

Let's deal with equality and diversity on that level.

Absolutely, that's the whole point I was trying to make?

[user104658]

I think we’re off in endless circles again because there’s a fundamental disagreement about the term misogyny itself that makes the rest of the discussion possible… with ThomasC believing it only applies to a broadly held belief system about women in general and not agreeing that a targeted attack on one woman based on gendered traits is indicative of underlying misogyny. Not to beat a dead horse but I just don’t really know where to go when someone sees phrases like “fish market” and disagrees that it’s misogyny. I found the other part of the text that makes me certain he’s talking about her being a “low value female” (Incel talk) in those texts;

“I met ****ing sublime little Russian here … Which makes me realize the time I blew on that 50 cent stripper.”

A sublime little Russian? He talks about a women he even (apparently) likes as though he’s just bought a puppy. Or maybe a nice car.

His thoughts are clearly on show and they’re gross and misogynistic… I’ve nowhere to go with this discussion when people can read these messages and say “nah, not misogyny” :joker:

[Niamh.]

I think we’re off in endless circles again because there’s a fundamental disagreement about the term misogyny itself that makes the rest of the discussion possible… with ThomasC believing it only applies to a broadly held belief system about women in general and not agreeing that a targeted attack on one woman based on gendered traits is indicative of underlying misogyny. Not to beat a dead horse but I just don’t really know where to go when someone sees phrases like “fish market” and disagrees that it’s misogyny. I found the other part of the text that makes me certain he’s talking about her being a “low value female” (Incel talk) in those texts;

“I met ****ing sublime little Russian here … Which makes me realize the time I blew on that 50 cent stripper.”

A sublime little Russian? He talks about a women he even (apparently) likes as though he’s just bought a puppy. Or maybe a nice car.

His thoughts are clearly on show and they’re gross and misogynistic… I’ve nowhere to go with this discussion when people can read these messages and say “nah, not misogyny” :joker:

That's so slimey. He does come across as arrogant and a bit of a creep to me. For some reason him putting "little" in front of Russian annoyed me most of all :laugh:

[ThomasC]

I think we’re off in endless circles again because there’s a fundamental disagreement about the term misogyny itself that makes the rest of the discussion possible… with ThomasC believing it only applies to a broadly held belief system about women in general and not agreeing that a targeted attack on one woman based on gendered traits is indicative of underlying misogyny. Not to beat a dead horse but I just don’t really know where to go when someone sees phrases like “fish market” and disagrees that it’s misogyny. I found the other part of the text that makes me certain he’s talking about her being a “low value female” (Incel talk) in those texts;

“I met ****ing sublime little Russian here … Which makes me realize the time I blew on that 50 cent stripper.”

A sublime little Russian? He talks about a women he even (apparently) likes as though he’s just bought a puppy. Or maybe a nice car.

His thoughts are clearly on show and they’re gross and misogynistic… I’ve nowhere to go with this discussion when people can read these messages and say “nah, not misogyny” :joker:

The text you quotes, is this one of the texts that was 'incoming' that Depp denied saying?. Funnily enough the one he admitted to, the fish market one was 'outgoing' proving that he did send it.... Two other texts were listed as 'incoming' suggesting that he did not send them as he claims he did not.

Yes I disagree that it is misogny, again, do I really need to explain my reasoning for this again? I am not denying it is deragatory and disgusting, but I don't know how you you get calling it misogony for reasons I have put forward numerous times.

I really don't need to quote the definition of misogny

I have asked for evidence in this thread to prove it is not an isolated incident because that would then form a basis for misogny, I have yet to see any other evidence other than derogatory comments towards one woman, namely Amber Heard.

[ThomasC]

I'm not telling you how anyone should feel. I'm giving you my opinion on these particular insults. I still have no idea what special treatment you think I'm looking for? You seem to be saying that I think it's ok for men to be insulted which I'm not at all........?



OK maybe a bit but I find it hard to believe you've never heard phrases like that though :shrug:




Absolutely, that's the whole point I was trying to make?

A)

No I'm not saying that. Special treatment, like I said before, you referenced and overlooked how a man should feel about being called a bitch....so what, women can get offended call someone a mysoginst freely and without evidence, but men should just get over it because it's not that bad being called that? It's all very subjective.

B) Incorrect. I said that I didn't doubt those things were and are said, but that it's not a true reflection as a whole. They're stereotypes that men use fists and women are bitchy. I gave examples to the contrary as to how it could be viewed without involving preconceived traits of a particular sex

C) your point must have gone over my head then because it seemed like you were backing up the view that particular sexes are viewed in a certain light, I take it to try and prove the point of misogny?

[ThomasC]

https://i.postimg.cc/cCH69HzC/download-1.jpg

Text Johnny Depp admitted to sending, explaining he was very angry. Notice OUTGOING

The two text Johnny Depp denied sending, notice INCOMING

https://i.postimg.cc/1zDSpq9P/a94ae360-dced-11ec-8aa1-738f945f8a77-800-420.png

The amount of crookered evidence that Amber Heard's lawyers have presented is ridiculous......the amount of evidence Johnny depps lawyers have presented destroys so much of Amber Heard's credibility. She didn't have much to start with.

Look at the evidence. Evidence, evidence, evidence. The pictures, the audio, the video recordings.....

[Niamh.]

A)

No I'm not saying that. Special treatment, like I said before, you referenced and overlooked how a man should feel about being called a bitch....so what, women can get offended call someone a mysoginst freely and without evidence, but men should just get over it because it's not that bad being called that? It's all very subjective.

B) Incorrect. I said that I didn't doubt those things were and are said, but that it's not a true reflection as a whole. They're stereotypes that men use fists and women are bitchy. I gave examples to the contrary as to how it could be viewed without involving preconceived traits of a particular sex

C) your point must have gone over my head then because it seemed like you were backing up the view that particular sexes are viewed in a certain light, I take it to try and prove the point of misogny?

A) - WTF??? talk about really putting words in my mouth there.

B) - Why don't you think it's a true reflection as a whole? What are you basing that on. I told you why I think it's the case (having had children of both sexes who have been the whole way through the school system and hearing it a lot/also seeing it said A LOT online when the topic of male and female children come up.

C) - I agree with your idea of what it should be like, people should be viewed as individuals with individual personalities. I don't however agree that this is what happens in a lot of cases (school children being my example) I wasn't making that up to suit an agenda if that's what you're saying here?

[Niamh.]

Basically Thomas if you're actually denying that sexism in attitudes towards how male children and how female children behave in friendship groups etc even exist then there's zero point in us having anymore conversation about it :shrug:

[Vanessa]

This morning closing arguments.
Then it goes to the jury. We could have a verdict as soon as today. Or it could take days.

[ThomasC]

A) - WTF??? talk about really putting words in my mouth there.

B) - Why don't you think it's a true reflection as a whole? What are you basing that on. I told you why I think it's the case (having had children of both sexes who have been the whole way through the school system and hearing it a lot/also seeing it said A LOT online when the topic of male and female children come up.

C) - I agree with your idea of what it should be like, people should be viewed as individuals with individual personalities. I don't how ever agree that this is what happens in a lot of cases (school children being my example) I wasn't making that up to suit an agenda if that's what you're saying here?

A) I don't feel so. I've paraphased.

B) basing it on a lot of issues that are prevelant in schools
Bullying being huge, peer pressure being huge, social learning theory being huge, yes it is said and they're stereotypes, but I feel there's a lot more to it and someone's sex has a lot less to do with it.

C) we start talking about sexism then, don't we? Stereotypes. Going back to the whole misogny which is what this boils down to, is not really relevant most of the time to a school setting unless teenagers being teenagers have an innate hatred towards women. Yes there will be some. No I don't tihkbyou were making anything up.

We've really gone off track here. :joker:

[ThomasC]

Basically Thomas if you're actually denying that sexism in attitudes towards how male children and how female children behave in friendship groups etc even exist then there's zero point in us having anymore conversation about it :shrug:

Not denying that at all.

I thought we were on about misogny.

Sexism and misogny differ.

Misogny is a hatred towards women. Sexism can lead to misogny....

For example, women should not wear boys clothes
That could be an opinion and would be sexism, but it doesn't mean that person hates women.

[ThomasC]

This morning closing arguments.
Then it goes to the jury. We could have a verdict as soon as today. Or it could take days.

I very much doubt there will be a verdict today.

First the jury need to hear closing arguments and there is a lot of paperwork the jury need to get through and complete all instructions

[bots]

the verdicts are obvious i would have thought it wont take long at all

[user104658]

the verdicts are obvious i would have thought it wont take long at all

They SHOULD be obvious (both libel cases tossed in the bin) however due to all the "justice for Johnny" crap and how aggressive that fan base is, and that realistically there's no way the jurors are not aware of the social media storm around this, I have a distinct worry that they'll essentially be intimidated into favouring Depp.

There's a reason (a very good reason) that the Heard team filed a motion to have the juror's names kept confidential for 12 months following the end of the trial.

[user104658]

Not denying that at all.

I thought we were on about misogny.

Sexism and misogny differ.

Misogny is a hatred towards women. Sexism can lead to misogny....

For example, women should not wear boys clothes
That could be an opinion and would be sexism, but it doesn't mean that person hates women.

You're hyper-focused on the idea that it means "hatred" - it can simply mean disdain or prejudice. I agree that there's a subtle difference between sexism and outright misogyny but I think where you're placing that line is too far to the extreme. No one is denying that there's a difference between an old bloke in the pub with a few outdated misogynistic views, and a hardcore Redpill misogynist posting borderline extremism on Reddit. But likewise, there's a similar difference between someone's inappropriately racist/homophobic granny and a jackbooted neo-nazi. It doesn't mean granny isn't racist or a homophobe.

[ThomasC]

They SHOULD be obvious (both libel cases tossed in the bin) however due to all the "justice for Johnny" crap and how aggressive that fan base is, and that realistically there's no way the jurors are not aware of the social media storm around this, I have a distinct worry that they'll essentially be intimidated into favouring Depp.

There's a reason (a very good reason) that the Heard team filed a motion to have the juror's names kept confidential for 12 months following the end of the trial.

Out of interest, how much of the trial have you watched?

Yeah some of the fan base is aggressive and a lot of comments are just uncalled for and disgusting... Then you'll have people, like myself, no fan of either who has formed an opinion based on evidence.

Would that just not be standard? To keep them confidential for a period of time?

She has admitted she wrote the op-ed and when you look at the timing of it how could it be about anyone else?

[ThomasC]

You're hyper-focused on the idea that it means "hatred" - it can simply mean disdain or prejudice. I agree that there's a subtle difference between sexism and outright misogyny but I think where you're placing that line is too far to the extreme. No one is denying that there's a difference between an old bloke in the pub with a few outdated misogynistic views, and a hardcore Redpill misogynist posting borderline extremism on Reddit. But likewise, there's a similar difference between someone's inappropriately racist/homophobic granny and a jackbooted neo-nazi. It doesn't mean granny isn't racist or a homophobe.

I'm not hyper focused on it I just say that as it's easier to say that then type it all out. I admitted earlier on in the thread and agreed with you that it was indeed those other things too

[Alf]

Someone there dressed up as Jack Sparrow


vjCWuESRvN8

[user104658]

Out of interest, how much of the trial have you watched?

Yeah some of the fan base is aggressive and a lot of comments are just uncalled for and disgusting... Then you'll have people, like myself, no fan of either who has formed an opinion based on evidence.

Would that just not be standard? To keep them confidential for a period of time?

She has admitted she wrote the op-ed and when you look at the timing of it how could it be about anyone else?

I've seen plenty of it - the question was never "did she write it about him", this was bizarrely suggested as some sort of "gotcha" a few days ago ... she openly admitted it was about him right at the beginning of the trial.

The question is, is there enough doubt to say that what she wrote could be true. She does not have to prove that it IS true, there only has to be enough to say that it COULD be true. We are in big, biiig trouble if people can no longer speak out about abuse without fear of being sued for libel unless they have "concrete" proof.

The facts of the case are incredibly basic...

- They clearly had a messy, violent and controlling relationship all round (recorded evidence of both being manipulative, controlling and aggressive)

- She wrote about a messy relationship


...it's not libel. They had a messy relationship. And in terms of damages against him - they'd have been FAR less if he'd just left it all alone, but he didn't he tried to sue The Sun (and failed) and that opened a massive can of worms that led to this.

[user104658]

Here's how it SHOULD work, imo, if he truly has lost earnings because of what she wrote.

1) She should be allowed to have her say.

2) He can dispute it and give his side in the press, too.

3) It's down to the studios/employers who they believe and what they do with that information

4) If the studio ditches someone because of an unproven accusation and that person feels that to be wholly unjustified, they should then sue the studio/employer for making that decision i.e. unfair dismissal.

The only reason it's complicated in Hollywood is because the studio's bottom line depends on the image and popularity of the actor. But there shouldn't be different rules on whistleblowing just "because it's an actor and their image in more important than for most people".

[Alf]

I think it's started.

[rusticgal]

I think it's started.


We are taping it....otherwise I wont get anything done :laugh:

[Beso]

Amber will be ok, she has Hitler on her side.

https://youtube.com/shorts/DGsATMaaLBo?feature=share

[rusticgal]

Amber will be ok



...not so sure about that.

[Beso]

...not so sure about that.

Shes been good tv, BB coming back soon.

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/jmxcix/status/1530204964777345024?t=nddtcKvcidmh-Blha0r5Og&s=19

1530204964777345024

Wups! Silly Camille.

[Beso]

Proof in the pudding....and what a pudding she is.

Thank you camille, you just blew it.

[user104658]

Proof in the pudding....and what a pudding she is.

Thank you camille, you just blew it.

I doubt it'll make any difference to a jury outcome (they'll have made up their minds long ago at this point) however it is quite the freudian slip.

[GoldHeart]

Proof in the pudding....and what a pudding she is.

Thank you camille, you just blew it.

Amazing how you ignore all the mistakes & slip ups from AH & her legal team though.

[user104658]

Amazing how you ignore all the mistakes & slip ups from AH & her legal team though.

In terms of the legal process the entire thing has been an absolute circus all round (both teams) - from Depp's lawyer leaking info and getting kicked out of the trial, to bad questioning, to Camille in general (who is somehow lauded as this ace lawyer when she's been sarcastic and unprofessional throughout, playing up to giggling onlookers in the peanut gallery like Depp himself, so likely a deliberate tactic). Heard's lawyer seems nervous and under-confident when she should have been fighting fire with fire. All utter rubbish.

[Beso]

Amazing how you ignore all the mistakes & slip ups from AH & her legal team though.

Nothing to say on the slip up?

Plenty to say about me though!!
Bog off.

[GoldHeart]

In terms of the legal process the entire thing has been an absolute circus all round (both teams) - from Depp's lawyer leaking info and getting kicked out of the trial, to bad questioning, to Camille in general (who is somehow lauded as this ace lawyer when she's been sarcastic and unprofessional throughout, playing up to giggling onlookers in the peanut gallery like Depp himself, so likely a deliberate tactic). Heard's lawyer seems nervous and under-confident when she should have been fighting fire with fire. All utter rubbish.

Heard's lawyers are like flustered wasps & completely unprepared & amateurish , and Elaine has been extremely rude to witnesses by objecting literally everything to the point where it's unwatchable & embarrassing.

And she has accused witnesses of only coming forward to get their ' 15 minutes of fame'. I would rather have Depp's team than Heard's who seem to play dirty when they're losing.

[Nicky91]

Shes been good tv, BB coming back soon.

please no, she needs to be locked up in a isolation cell and the key thrown away

a mentally ill woman like her is a danger to society



her on CBB would make me not follow that until she's evicted

[user104658]

Heard's lawyers are like flustered wasps & completely unprepared & amateurish , and Elaine has been extremely rude to witnesses by objecting literally everything to the point where it's unwatchable & embarrassing.

You realise that this has been a huge part of Camille's tactic too, right? There have been literally thousands of memes about it (celebrating it).

[user104658]

Describing it as "unwatchable" is an interesting choice of words, too. Is this reality TV to you?

[Alf]

Do you see and take this as real life or do you see and take it as a television drama?

[user104658]

Do you see and take this as real life or do you see and take it as a television drama?

I think the sad truth is that it's being spoonfed to the public as a trashy episode of Judge Judy, but it actually has very real consequences.

[GoldHeart]

You realise that this has been a huge part of Camille's tactic too, right? There have been literally thousands of memes about it (celebrating it).

She hasn't objected as much as Heard's team, before a witness even speaks they're shouting OBJECTION. I saw a bit where Elaine didn't even know why she was objecting, she was hmm and argh ing. And then her excuse was. " if they keep talking" .

But overall I hate the constant OBJECTIONS, who ever is doing it ,as it makes the trial nearly unwatchable.

[Nicky91]

Amber ''Ratface'' Heard

:fan:

gross looking evil woman

[GoldHeart]

Describing it as "unwatchable" is an interesting choice of words, too. Is this reality TV to you?

Well seen as we're all WATCHING it TS how else would you describe it ?, Yes it's a media circus. But it's televised for us all to see . Whether people think it's right or wrong ..all the ugly laundry is out there .

[Alf]

I think the sad truth is that it's being spoonfed to the public as a trashy episode of Judge Judy, but it actually has very real consequences.Consequences for whom? Will it impact my life in any way?

[bots]

She hasn't objected as much as Heard's team, before a witness even speaks they're shouting OBJECTION. I saw a bit where Elaine didn't even know why she was objecting, she was hmm and argh ing. And then her excuse was. " if they keep talking" .

But overall I hate the constant OBJECTIONS, who ever is doing it ,as it makes the trial nearly unwatchable.

it's a legal process, not a favourite soap :laugh:

[Nicky91]

that heard woman deserves to rot, take away everything from her

she deserves to suffer, hope she will get most painful illnesses possible

would be nice karma for what she did to try to ruin Daddy Johnny's career

[GoldHeart]

it's a legal process, not a favourite soap :laugh:

I know it's not a soap BOTS, but when something is televised and you're watching it you try to listen to every bit of evidence. That's how I see it. What about when people watch real life crime documentaries,with interviews ?. You want to be able to understand what happened, it's still something serious.

[Alf]

I got no problem with people watching it, if that's what interests you then why not? I just find it odd that this case has gripped so many people. I understand it's a celebrity but that's not a selling point for me.

[user104658]

Consequences for whom? Will it impact my life in any way?


Not unless you switch gender and then get abused.

[Liam-]

Elaine is an absolute disaster, it’s starting to make me feel the tiniest little bit of sympathy for Turd :joker:

[Beso]

please no, she needs to be locked up in a isolation cell and the key thrown away

a mentally ill woman like her is a danger to society



her on CBB would make me not follow that until she's evicted


Objection....this fool will change his mind tomorrow.

[GoldHeart]

Elaine is an absolute disaster, it’s starting to make me feel the tiniest little bit of sympathy for Turd :joker:

Her legal team are a utter mess, remember when one of AH's lawyers objected to his own question that time :facepalm: .

[Zizu]

I got no problem with people watching it, if that's what interests you then why not? I just find it odd that this case has gripped so many people. I understand it's a celebrity but that's not a selling point for me.


I think it’s simply because Amber is acting so strangely plus her team appear to be completely inept ( laughably so ) ..

In contrast JD is presenting himself extremely well as us his team


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[Alf]

1530422794013523968

[Nicky91]

Objection....this fool will change his mind tomorrow.

wrong, i will never change my mind on this pathological liar of a woman


no sir i didn't write it

yes i wrote that book


what is the truth gurl, and ur now lying under oath anyway :joker:

[michael21]

wrong, i will never change my mind on this pathological liar of a woman


no sir i didn't write it

yes i wrote that book


what is the truth gurl, and ur now lying under oath anyway :joker:

What the time in Holland

[GoldHeart]

AH took a pill in the courtroom , could just be an aspirin but who knows :suspect: .

[rusticgal]

I think it’s simply because Amber is acting so strangely plus her team appear to be completely inept ( laughably so ) ..

In contrast JD is presenting himself extremely well as us his team


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I think more so because Amber with her dramatics has not come across as believable as a victim. No tears came with the crying face…she switched from playing the victim when questioned by her own team….to the hard nosed bitch when cross examined…and to me that showed me the person I believe she is and I think people have become obsessed by her drama.

[ThomasC]

that heard woman deserves to rot, take away everything from her

she deserves to suffer, hope she will get most painful illnesses possible

would be nice karma for what she did to try to ruin Daddy Johnny's career

Wow :shocked::shocked:

If anything she is mentally ill and your comments are just disgusting.

[ThomasC]

AH took a pill in the courtroom , could just be an aspirin but who knows :suspect: .

Probably s mint.

I don't get your point. Both teams do. I imagine being in close contact you're not going to want to have bad breath

[ThomasC]

I've seen plenty of it - the question was never "did she write it about him", this was bizarrely suggested as some sort of "gotcha" a few days ago ... she openly admitted it was about him right at the beginning of the trial.

The question is, is there enough doubt to say that what she wrote could be true. She does not have to prove that it IS true, there only has to be enough to say that it COULD be true. We are in big, biiig trouble if people can no longer speak out about abuse without fear of being sued for libel unless they have "concrete" proof.

The facts of the case are incredibly basic...

- They clearly had a messy, violent and controlling relationship all round (recorded evidence of both being manipulative, controlling and aggressive)

- She wrote about a messy relationship


...it's not libel. They had a messy relationship. And in terms of damages against him - they'd have been FAR less if he'd just left it all alone, but he didn't he tried to sue The Sun (and failed) and that opened a massive can of worms that led to this.

There's no proof Depp or recorded evidence that he was manipulative, controlling or abusive... Other than a video of him smashing some cupboards and texts

Whether it's libel or not is the whole point of the trial so I don't think you can outrightly say it's not.

[Beso]

Wow :shocked::shocked:

If anything she is mentally ill and your comments are just disgusting.



Hes allowed to be a **** whenever he wants by the moderating team.

[ThomasC]

Like Camille said, there's free speech and that's an amendment and that of course she believes in free speech as she's a lawyer..... But then there is defamation of character and the constitution does not allow such things. I've probably paraphased that completely wrong but I know the point I'm trying to make.

She released that op-ep to coincide with the release of aquaman and ambassador of acul.....hardly a coincidence.

There's free speech but then if you're going to accuse someone of such serious allegations expect them to sue......wouldn't you?

She's admitted it's about Johnny depp

[GoldHeart]

Probably s mint.

I don't get your point. Both teams do. I imagine being in close contact you're not going to want to have bad breath

Oh yeah could be an innocent mint ,but who knows .

Also she's been writing fake notes ,did you know?. A camera zoomed in one of her papers and it was just random gibberish of numbers & something about "number 1".

So people speculate that could be code for her trying to find a jury member, who will believe her the most .. Aka her "number 1" .

[Beso]

A tardis just landed outside my house.

[ThomasC]

Oh yeah could be an innocent mint ,but who knows .

Also she's been writing fake notes ,did you know?. A camera zoomed in one of her papers and it was just random gibberish of numbers & something about "number 1".

So people speculate that could be code for her trying to find a jury member, who will believe her the most .. Aka her "number 1" .

:joker: really!?

It's more likely a technique to help with stress

I'm not just going to slate her for absolutely no reason other than what the evidence proves and her behaviour.

[GoldHeart]

:joker: really!?

It's more likely a technique to help with stress

I'm not just going to slate her for absolutely no reason other than what the evidence proves and her behaviour.

I think she wanted to look important.

She kept handing post-it notes to her team ,I think even they got fed up of it .

[Beso]

Feel free to buy johnny depps trial doodles on ebay goldheart.

[ThomasC]

I think she wanted to look important.

She kept handing post-it notes to her team ,I think even they got fed up of it .

I did find that quite telling tbh

[user104658]

Oh yeah could be an innocent mint ,but who knows .

Also she's been writing fake notes ,did you know?. A camera zoomed in one of her papers and it was just random gibberish of numbers & something about "number 1".

So people speculate that could be code for her trying to find a jury member, who will believe her the most .. Aka her "number 1" .


For your sake I’m glad this is coming to an end either way Goldheart, you really need to take a break from whichever Johnny Depp stan social media account you’re reading this stuff on. Absolutely mind-boggling.

“At hour 4, 36 minutes, 14 seconds, Amber Heard scratched her elbow. This may have been a signal to her sister that she will kill her with an el BOW and arrow if she does not lie for her in court!”

[GoldHeart]

I wasn't reading any ' JD social media account' , but ok.

And I'm also glad it's coming to an end,as the trial has dragged on long enough.

[user104658]

I wasn't reading any ' JD social media account' , but ok.

In that case...



So people speculate that could be code for her trying to find a jury member, who will believe her the most .. Aka her "number 1" .

Who? Which "people" speculate?

And where did you read the frankly insane suggestion that Amber Heard was pill-popping in court?

There's only one realistic answer to this (that these suggestions are coming from one of the thousands of "#JusticeForJohnny" type social media accounts that spam this nonsense all day long).

[Beso]

I wasn't reading any ' JD social media account' , but ok.

And I'm also glad it's coming to an end,as the trial has dragged on long enough.

What about Johnny's doodling goldheart, do you have any conspiracy on his doodles and what they may mean for the future of mankind?

[user104658]

What about Johnny's doodling goldheart, do you have any conspiracy on his doodles and what they may mean for the future of mankind?

It just goes to show the double standard; Depp has been drawing little pictures and passing notes back and forward with his legal team (usually chuckling away) all through the trial ... all the social media memes find this "hilarious" and "endearing" and celebrate Depp for his funny notes and drawings and talk about how sweet it is that the legal team all seems so close.

Amber Heard passes a few post-its and they're screaming contempt of court / coming up with bizarre theories that she's communicating in some sort of elaborate code. :idc: rationality has gone completely out the window.

[Vanessa]

We should have a verdict tomorrow.
Whatever happens, I predict Johnny's career will skyrocket after this.
He's already rumoured to be doing Beetlejuice 2 and Rober Downey Jr wants him in his new Sherlock Holmes movie.
He's also shooting a movie in France, that actually sounds interesting.

[Beso]

We should have a verdict tomorrow.
Whatever happens, I predict Johnny's career will skyrocket after this.
He's already rumoured to be doing Beetlejuice 2 and Rober Downey Jr wants him in his new Sherlock Holmes movie.
He's also shooting a movie in France, that actually sounds interesting.

So anything amber heard has said in the past has actually helped his career, rather than hinder it.

Dont look very good when the case you are perusing is that heards words hindered it.

[user104658]

We should have a verdict tomorrow.
Whatever happens, I predict Johnny's career will skyrocket after this.
He's already rumoured to be doing Beetlejuice 2 and Rober Downey Jr wants him in his new Sherlock Holmes movie.
He's also shooting a movie in France, that actually sounds interesting.

Probably, Hollywood is soulless and will happily sell out to a violent addict if enough people will buy the tickets, and if this trial has proven ANYTHING, it's that there are more than enough dribbling Depp lickspittles to fill those cinema seats.

That aside, he wasn't even in Beetlejuice 1, what's he supposedly doing in a sequel? There's only one star in Beetlejuice and it's Michael Keaton. God... imagine if they tried to replace him with Captain Jack Beetlejuice :facepalm:.

Hey ... maybe Depp can play Winona Ryder's new abusive husband (method acting), and she summons Beetlejuice to scare him out of the house for good?

I'd watch that probably.

[user104658]

So anything amber heard has said in the past has actually helped his career, rather than hinder it.

Dont look very good when the case you are perusing is that heards words hindered it.

You have a point there Parmy - defamation cases have to show that there was a loss of earnings or finances as a result of the accusations. If he tragically wins this case and then his career does indeed "skyrocket", he's going to have a tough time arguing loss of earnings in the inevitable appeal trial :joker:.

[user104658]

Hmmm

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/08/johnny-depp-boycotted-by-hollywood-ks1/

Johnny Depp has publicly said that Hollywood has "boycotted him" because of Amber Heard. If he gets these major roles (Sherlock Holmes, Beetlejuice) then it is provably FALSE that Hollywood has boycotted him at all ... which he said they did... because of Amber Heard.

If he gets the roles it can't be true.

Thus...

:joker: ... it's libellous against Heard. Either he doesn't get these roles, OR he lied/exaggerated when he talked about being boycotted because of Heard. Catch 22 Depp lackeys, which is it gonna be?

[GoldHeart]

We should have a verdict tomorrow.
Whatever happens, I predict Johnny's career will skyrocket after this.
He's already rumoured to be doing Beetlejuice 2 and Rober Downey Jr wants him in his new Sherlock Holmes movie.
He's also shooting a movie in France, that actually sounds interesting.

Beetlejuice 2 ???! Really , I didn't even know a sequel was in the works .

[Zizu]

You have a point there Parmy - defamation cases have to show that there was a loss of earnings or finances as a result of the accusations. If he tragically wins this case and then his career does indeed "skyrocket", he's going to have a tough time arguing loss of earnings in the inevitable appeal trial :joker:.


They will make allowances for any understandable rise in his popularity


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[user104658]

They will make allowances for any understandable rise in his popularity


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In terms of the literal outcome sure, in terms of the actual payout no. It's supposed to reflect the earnings that he has lost because of the accusations, i.e. no longer getting hollywood roles. If he is still getting Hollywood roles then he isn't $50 million dollars down, is he. He can still be successful in an appeal trial but they might (or should) reduce the amount that Heard is expected to pay, or even make it a token amount (this is quite common, e.g. suing for $1, because it's about the affirmation not the money).

[user104658]

In short... if he does win and successfully is awarded the $50 million and then he goes on to take two big movie roles and then she appeals saying "he didn't lose earnings, he got these two big film roles" it will be hard to argue against that.

It's largely irrelevant though since Heard doesn't have $50 million in the first place.

[Zizu]

In terms of the literal outcome sure, in terms of the actual payout no. It's supposed to reflect the earnings that he has lost because of the accusations, i.e. no longer getting hollywood roles. If he is still getting Hollywood roles then he isn't $50 million dollars down, is he. He can still be successful in an appeal trial but they might (or should) reduce the amount that Heard is expected to pay, or even make it a token amount (this is quite common, e.g. suing for $1, because it's about the affirmation not the money).


Fair enough but he will still be able to claim for the time in between presumably ( the last year of so )?!?


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[user104658]

Fair enough but he will still be able to claim for the time in between presumably ( the last year of so )?!?


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It's not about the money either way (Amber Heard doesn't have that sort of money). He's just an angry man who - in his own words - wants her to "hit the wall hard". I find it truly depressing that someone so clearly bitter and vengeful has drawn so much sympathy from the public.

[Vanessa]

Beetlejuice 2 ???! Really , I didn't even know a sequel was in the works .

It is. And it sounds awesome. Nothing is for sure, but i would love Johnny to do this.

[user104658]

It is. And it sounds awesome. Nothing is for sure, but i would love Johnny to do this.

You know Johnny Depp wasn't in Beetlejuice, right?

[arista]

It is. And it sounds awesome. Nothing is for sure, but i would love Johnny to do this.


[In February 2022, a sequel was announced again,
this time produced by Plan B Entertainment
alongside Warner Bros.
with Keaton and Ryder reprising their roles.
Principal photography is scheduled to
begin in the summer of the same year.]


From Wikipedia

[arista]

You know Johnny Depp wasn't in Beetlejuice, right?


He would be Ideal for B2

[user104658]

He would be Ideal for B2

No he wouldn't, Michael Keaton isn't dead!

[Niamh.]

I would be outraged if they replaced Michael Keaton as Beetle Juice it was such an iconic part and really his but they did it with Willy Wonka (Johnny wasn't a patch on Gene Wilder) unless he's just going to be in Beetle Juice and not actually be him?

[user104658]

I would be outraged if they replaced Michael Keaton as Beetle Juice it was such an iconic part and really his but they did it with Willy Wonka (Johnny wasn't a patch on Gene Wilder) unless he's just going to be in Beetle Juice and not actually be him?

Willy Wonka was at least a re-imagining, for this it sounds like they're talking about an actual sequel, it would be a ridiculous move. It's not like Keaton is too old... he was playing a Spider-man villain just a few years ago, he could definitely still be Beetlejuice.

I'd say hopefully they're just talking about casting Depp as someone else but in all honesty I doubt I'll be able to stomach watching anything he's in. Which is a shame because he's been in some great films. It's not even because of the accusations - we watched Edward Scissor Hands last year and these accusations have been out in the open for years... it's SPECIFICALLY because of this trial, and his behaviour throughout.