Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?

[ThomasC]

I hope they both get help for their issues.

Johnny with his drink and drugs and Amber Heard with her lies.

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

[Zizu]

I hope they both get help for their issues.

Johnny with his drink and drugs and Amber Heard with her lies.

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.


Yes .. that’s probably a fair assessment


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[ThomasC]

Have you ever been in a relationship Thomas? It sounds like they’d been arguing the night before - it’s usual for couples to apologise (to each other) after an argument. It’s not some grand admission of wrongdoing. People say harsh things in arguments and then say sorry the next day … that’s fairly standard in any relationship, surely?

Or I could also point out that people in relationships with volatile individuals will be constantly apologising for every little thing, in the hopes of keeping that person calm.

No it might not be admission of wrong doing... Also agree with your last statement.

You can rationalise with that, but you don't seem to be able to understand that certain actions can also cause someone to be as angry as he was just because you might not react in that way? ...and deny that it was any sort of mental breakdown because, what? You've not experienced exhibiting those behaviours in a mental breakdown, if you have ever had one?

[ThomasC]

Whether I've been in a relationship before or not I do not think is relevant and quite a low point to belittle my point.

I have experienced extreme mental health issues in the past needing crisis intervention.

I have a wealth of experience in my own personal life, family and work, both in the UK and internationally.

I don't think it's fair to use the 'have you' when it comes to any argument to try and make your point more superior and belittle the other.

I hate the sort of notion that unless you've experienced it yourself you can't empathise or understand or see a different perspective as to what might have made one do such a thing. You've done it before

[Vanessa]

The jury have a lot of pages of evidence to go through. It may take a while.

[Zizu]

If she said "things got so crazy last night" and he was still angry, that sounds like a response he might give. "You thin that was crazy? I'll show you crazy!" etc


We are speculating again though

I’ve been called crazy for not wanting to go to the pub after work and even for not liking Only Fools and Horses .. calling people crazy CAN just be a throw-away comment


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[user104658]

No it might not be admission of wrong doing... Also agree with your last statement.

You can rationalise with that, but you don't seem to be able to understand that certain actions can also cause someone to be as angry as he was just because you might not react in that way? ...and deny that it was any sort of mental breakdown because, what? You've not experienced exhibiting those behaviours in a mental breakdown, if you have ever had one?

I haven't said that I don't understand certain things make people extremely angry/make them "crack" under the pressure, I also haven't said that I don't think Depp was suffering poor mental health/a breakdown (he has had severe addiction issues since he was a teenager - I imagine his mental health has been abysmal at times).

None of those mean "abuse isn't abuse" though ... even if you can sympathise with his position, you'd never tell an abused person that they weren't abused because their abuser was suffering a breakdown/has poor mental health ... or even if they're suffering something more severe like schizophrenia or psychosis. The victim was still abused. Again, these would be mitigating factors in a CRIMINAL trial, someone might not go to prison etc. if their actions were during a breakdown or they were suffering from an actual mental illness, but that doesn't mean it can't be described as "abusive actions" ... thus ... if the victim writes about them, it's not libellous. To be honest, I'd say MOST abusers probably don't have great mental health, as abuse in relationships is often about control - and the desire to be possessive and control is usually a result of extreme anxiety.

Whether I've been in a relationship before or not I do not think is relevant and quite a low point to belittle my point.

I have experienced extreme mental health issues in the past needing crisis intervention.

I have a wealth of experience in my own personal life, family and work, both in the UK and internationally.

I don't think it's fair to use the 'have you' when it comes to any argument to try and make your point more superior and belittle the other.

I hate the sort of notion that unless you've experienced it yourself you can't empathise or understand or see a different perspective as to what might have made one do such a thing. You've done it before

It was a rhetorical question to be honest Thomas... I assumed you probably had been in arguments with partners and so would know that both people saying sorry when attempting to make up is pretty standard (even if one person still thinks they were 100% right, you'd apologise if an argument got verbally "heated", because you still care about that person and don't want there to be bad feeling). I wasn't trying to imply anything with it.

[GoldHeart]

I hope they both get help for their issues.

Johnny with his drink and drugs and Amber Heard with her lies.

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

I think JD will get help ,as the difference is he CAN actually admit to his issues & problems.

But AH doesn't take responsibility. So who knows with her .

[user104658]

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

The thing is, I know that this sort of reporting / memes being made is "par for the course" in celebrity culture. That doesn't make it OK ever per se, but a bit of it is to be expected in "celeb life".

But SURELY even the most passionate Johnny Depp fan can see that the anti-Heard movement online has been ... extreme. Like way, way beyond what we usually see with these celebrity things. I heard some news anchor say yesterday that this trial (a piddly little libel case!) is the biggest trial (in terms of global coverage) since OJ simpson and very possibly bigger. That's just absolutely insane. It's totally disproportionate and the hatred being directed Heard's way is staggering, even if every single thing Depp has said is true.

[bots]

I think JD will get help ,as the difference is he CAN actually admit to his issues & problems.

But AH doesn't take responsibility. So who knows with her .

taking amber to court isn't the typical display of someone taking responsibility for his actions. Neither was his behaviour in court

[GoldHeart]

The thing is, I know that this sort of reporting / memes being made is "par for the course" in celebrity culture. That doesn't make it OK ever per se, but a bit of it is to be expected in "celeb life".

But SURELY even the most passionate Johnny Depp fan can see that the anti-Heard movement online has been ... extreme. Like way, way beyond what we usually see with these celebrity things. I heard some news anchor say yesterday that this trial (a piddly little libel case!) is the biggest trial (in terms of global coverage) since OJ simpson and very possibly bigger. That's just absolutely insane. It's totally disproportionate and the hatred being directed Heard's way is staggering, even if every single thing Depp has said is true.

If AH was a bloke would you still find the hate "over the top' ? .

I don't engage in tiktok or Twitter,but the majority of comments & response I've seen is people who are fed up of the lies she's told. It's mostly her behaviour that's being criticised, and people don't like how she's acting in the trial, and the audio clips have just made people dislike her more,as her true colours were revealed.

[AnnieK]

If AH was a bloke would you still find the hate "over the top' ? .

I don't engage in tiktok or Twitter,but the majority of comments & response I've seen is people who are fed up of the lies she's told. It's mostly her behaviour that's being criticised, and people don't like how she's acting in the trial, and the audio clips have just made people dislike her more,as her true colours were revealed.

Anyone wishing death or serious harm on a person (male or female) who they have never met is over the top. Whatever behaviour they think they have seen wishing death on a celebrity you don't like is never, ever justifiable.

[ThomasC]

The thing is, I know that this sort of reporting / memes being made is "par for the course" in celebrity culture. That doesn't make it OK ever per se, but a bit of it is to be expected in "celeb life".

But SURELY even the most passionate Johnny Depp fan can see that the anti-Heard movement online has been ... extreme. Like way, way beyond what we usually see with these celebrity things. I heard some news anchor say yesterday that this trial (a piddly little libel case!) is the biggest trial (in terms of global coverage) since OJ simpson and very possibly bigger. That's just absolutely insane. It's totally disproportionate and the hatred being directed Heard's way is staggering, even if every single thing Depp has said is true.

Yeah I agree.

I think a lot of people dislike what she's done, but then some just take it way too far. I wouldn't wish death threats on anyone even those who have committed the most serious of crimes, murder even, I'm not in favour of any death penalty bit that's a different conversation

[ThomasC]

taking amber to court isn't the typical display of someone taking responsibility for his actions. Neither was his behaviour in court

Well that's if you believe what he has been accused of you. You clearly do so therefore you're going to think he's not taking any responsibility.

I happen to believe the opposite and that he wants to clear his name on very serious accusations.

Behaviour in court? What behaviour exactly? I think he has found some of the things frankly laughable. Most of the time he has had his head down.

[Vanessa]

I think JD will get help ,as the difference is he CAN actually admit to his issues & problems.

But AH doesn't take responsibility. So who knows with her .

He's clean already and doing very well.

[GoldHeart]

Anyone wishing death or serious harm on a person (male or female) who they have never met is over the top. Whatever behaviour they think they have seen wishing death on a celebrity you don't like is never, ever justifiable.

I'm not talking about death threats or wishing serious harm on someone as that is crazy, I'm talking about 'hate' in general. Meghan Markle gets hated on a daily basis,and people think that's ' justified' .

Michael Jackson was called a paedophile,with no proper evidence. Bloke had been dead 10 years then suddenly the public believed jackanory stories from one broke guy & one bitter guy .

People complain about the AH 'memes' , but MJ had a ton of tasteless paedo jokes made about him when he was alive .

The whole #bekind is laughable aswell, as people pick & choose who 'SHOULDN'T' criticise . Yet it's ok to say mean spirited things about other people. Hypocrisy & double standards.

[AnnieK]

Well that's if you believe what he has been accused of you. You clearly do so therefore you're going to think he's not taking any responsibility.

I happen to believe the opposite and that he wants to clear his name on very serious accusations.

Behaviour in court? What behaviour exactly? I think he has found some of the things frankly laughable. Most of the time he has had his head down.

It was fairly well reported on at the beginning of the trial that his behaviour - snide comments, sniggering and dismissive nature was out of place in a court of law

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10805575/Johnny-Depp-behavior-court-jeopardize-case-legal-experts-say.html

[GoldHeart]

He's clean already and doing very well.

Yeah I know ,I'm just saying he actually admits & acknowledges his issues.

[Beso]

Depp the aging actor, last seen hanging around the student bars of Sheffield uk.

[Vanessa]

Yeah I know ,I'm just saying he actually admits & acknowledges his issues.

Definitely. Amber always blame others, never takes any responsibility for anything.

[ThomasC]

It was fairly well reported on at the beginning of the trial that his behaviour - snide comments, sniggering and dismissive nature was out of place in a court of law

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10805575/Johnny-Depp-behavior-court-jeopardize-case-legal-experts-say.html

I can't read the daily fail :joker:

[AnnieK]

To be fair - Johnny is an addict he has been clean many times before and relapsed. He needs to get clean and stay clean and that takes a lot of dedication. Hopefully he will do it but only time will tell that. He might really want to now, doesn't mean next week he still will. Any addict will tell you it is a lifelong commitment to get and stay clean

[Vanessa]

To be fair - Johnny is an addict he has been clean many times before and relapsed. He needs to get clean and stay clean and that takes a lot of dedication. Hopefully he will do it but only time will tell that. He might really want to now, doesn't mean next week he still will. Any addict will tell you it is a lifelong commitment to get and stay clean

That's very true. Addicts can relapse.
Hopefully he will stay clean. He looks so much happier.

[Vanessa]

Talking about sniggering, Amber was doing just that towards the end of the trial.
She looked very smug to me. I don't like arrogant people.

[Vanessa]

Amber is an addict as well, but I think she's very much in denial.

[AnnieK]

I can't read the daily fail :joker:

Its reported elsewhere too i just did a google search and picked the first one so am sure you can do the same - or you can just ignore the fact that is was reported on :shrug:

Personally, they have both acted as if it were a film set at times and not a court of law covering a number of serious accusations.

[GoldHeart]

AH & her sister and friends are also drug addicts and alcoholics ,but they don't admit they have a problem.

[Vanessa]

AH & her sister and friends are also drug addicts and alcoholics ,but they don't admit they have a problem.

I think they're in denial. If you don't think you have a problem you can't get help.

[ThomasC]

Its reported elsewhere too i just did a google search and picked the first one so am sure you can do the same - or you can just ignore the fact that is was reported on :shrug:

Personally, they have both acted as if it were a film set at times and not a court of law covering a number of serious accusations.

Nope, I'm not denying it. I think he found some of the accusations ridiculous and laughable.

I agree that they both probably have at times on your last part

[GoldHeart]

Nope, I'm not denying it. I think he found some of the accusations ridiculous and laughable.

I agree that they both probably have at times on your last part

Not just that,but he laughed out of frustration aswell. JD is a very slow talker aswell ... when he was on the stand at one point AH's lawyer cut him off . And he just awkwardly laughed out of frustration.

[Beso]

AH & her sister and friends are also drug addicts and alcoholics ,but they don't admit they have a problem.

There time yet, it only took depp 35 years.

[Vanessa]

So, do you guys think we will have a verdict today?
I really hope so!

[Niamh.]

I hope they both get help for their issues.

Johnny with his drink and drugs and Amber Heard with her lies.

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

Yeah, agree with all of that.

[Niamh.]

The thing is, I know that this sort of reporting / memes being made is "par for the course" in celebrity culture. That doesn't make it OK ever per se, but a bit of it is to be expected in "celeb life".

But SURELY even the most passionate Johnny Depp fan can see that the anti-Heard movement online has been ... extreme. Like way, way beyond what we usually see with these celebrity things. I heard some news anchor say yesterday that this trial (a piddly little libel case!) is the biggest trial (in terms of global coverage) since OJ simpson and very possibly bigger. That's just absolutely insane. It's totally disproportionate and the hatred being directed Heard's way is staggering, even if every single thing Depp has said is true.

I remember OJs trial, I can tell you he wasn't getting as much hate as AH has

[ThomasC]

Anyone know of the verdict is televised?

Obviously it could take a long a long time to come back

[GoldHeart]

I remember OJs trial, I can tell you he wasn't getting as much hate as AH has

OJ's trial was PRE social media era , that's probably why.

Everyone ,or should I say anyone with common sense knew he was GUILTY AF . Then the silly Kardashian bloke became a 'celebrity' after the media circus, which jump kicked the whole Kardashian reality TV nightmare. There's still audio out there of OJ's wife phoning the police .

[Niamh.]

OJ's trial was PRE social media era , that's probably why.

Everyone ,or should I say anyone with common sense knew he was GUILTY AF . Then the silly Kardashian bloke became a 'celebrity' after the media circus, which jump kicked the whole Kardashian reality TV nightmare. There's still audio out there of OJ's wife phoning the police .

Oh yeah I know but I bet my life that if his trial was today he'd have a big portion of people trying to make a hero out of him too

[ThomasC]

So, do you guys think we will have a verdict today?
I really hope so!

I wouldn't be surprised if it was not today.

It's a good thing that they're taking a while it gives faith to them taking it seriously and fairly.

[ThomasC]

They also all have to agree on a verdict, if one person does not agree then it gets complicated.

The jury is made up of 5 men and two women

[bots]

they will spin it out until friday at least

[user104658]

It was fairly well reported on at the beginning of the trial that his behaviour - snide comments, sniggering and dismissive nature was out of place in a court of law

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10805575/Johnny-Depp-behavior-court-jeopardize-case-legal-experts-say.html

I noticed at some point he stopped doing it quite as much. I think he was quietly told to cut it out, in all likelihood.

[Vanessa]

They also all have to agree on a verdict, if one person does not agree then it gets complicated.

The jury is made up of 5 men and two women

Iv heard that they don't all have to agree. :suspect:

[GoldHeart]

Oh yeah I know but I bet my life that if his trial was today he'd have a big portion of people trying to make a hero out of him too

But you can't really say that Niamh , like I said it was obvious he was guilty no matter what the verdict said So I disagree . They'll always be trolls etc supporting criminals.

Actually revisiting the old news footage, and clips of his trial has a ton of comments against him . Some are in shock that he was ever LET OFF .

Also didn't he get arrested for robbery in his later years?? . But People knew it was corruption & injustice, that he was found 'Not guilty' all those years ago.


Oscar pistorius is another one that was clearly guilty, and again I'm sure most of us could see that . I know he was actually found guilty anyway but still .

[user104658]

Anyone know of the verdict is televised?

Obviously it could take a long a long time to come back

I believe it is, however I've also read that Depp and Heard don't have to attend in person for the verdict so it won't be as dramatic as some are maybe hoping. They CAN attend. I hope they don't. If Heard loses there'll be endless memes of her reaction and really considering what this trial is all about, no matter what you believe it's just pretty gross for it to be turned into "internet comedy".

[bots]

neither will attend if they have half a brain

[Niamh.]

But you can't really say that Niamh , like I said it was obvious he was guilty no matter what the verdict said So I disagree . They'll always be trolls etc supporting criminals.

Actually revisiting the old news footage, and clips of his trial has a ton of comments against him . Some are in shock that he was ever LET OFF .

Also didn't he get arrested for robbery in his later years?? . But People knew it was corruption & injustice, that he was found 'Not guilty' all those years ago.


Oscar pistorius is another one that was clearly guilty, and again I'm sure most of us could see that . I know he was actually found guilty anyway but still .

OJ even wrote a book afterwards titled "If I did it" So gross and so unjust how he got away with that.

Speaking of Pistorius though I distinctly remember arguing with someone on TiBB about him, some people believed his version. I need to try and find that thread!

[user104658]

But you can't really say that Niamh , like I said it was obvious he was guilty no matter what the verdict said So I disagree . They'll always be trolls etc supporting criminals.

Actually revisiting the old news footage, and clips of his trial has a ton of comments against him . Some are in shock that he was ever LET OFF .

Also didn't he get arrested for robbery in his later years?? . But People knew it was corruption & injustice, that he was found 'Not guilty' all those years ago.


Oscar pistorius is another one that was clearly guilty, and again I'm sure most of us could see that . I know he was actually found guilty anyway but still .

PLENTY of people supported Pistorius (and still do), not dissimilar at all to the Depp case IMO other than the fact that it was obviously a far more serious trial, as he killed her, and also it was even more insane that people were supporting him because his version of events was paper thin and it was really quite evident what had happened. The right outcome in that one, thankfully. Still plenty of people who believe him, though. Mostly people who were fans before it happened, of course.

[GoldHeart]

OJ even wrote a book afterwards titled "If I did it" So gross and so unjust how he got away with that.

Speaking of Pistorius though I distinctly remember arguing with someone on TiBB about him, some people believed his version. I need to try and find that thread!

Yeah I know about the book ,but I've never read it.

But like I said you'll always get some people either trolling,or who blindly support someone despite a ton of evidence . Surely that was in the minority with anyone defending Pistorious ? .

AH & JD both have their fans aswell , I don't care what anyone says there's still excuses made for AH but yes it's in the minority .

[user104658]

OJ even wrote a book afterwards titled "If I did it" So gross and so unjust how he got away with that.

Speaking of Pistorius though I distinctly remember arguing with someone on TiBB about him, some people believed his version. I need to try and find that thread!

I think I remember it being discussed on here, yeah. I also remember having heated arguments about it with customers at work. Of course some of the heated arguments were with people who were simply annoyed that I had the trial on the TV behind the counter when "that should just be for betting events!!" :idc:

[edit] Should add that peole did try to bet on the outcome. I imagine they're trying with the Depp/Heard trial, too

[Niamh.]

Yeah I know about the book ,but I've never read it.

But like I said you'll always get some people either trolling,or who blindly support someone despite a ton of evidence . Surely that was in the minority with anyone defending Pistorious ? .

AH & JD both have their fans aswell , I don't care what anyone says there's still excuses made for AH but yes it's in the minority .

Just found that thread, have a read :skull:

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221074&page=17

I just had to quote this one post from there :laugh2: I miss GlypsyGoth so much :'(

I think if he is let off people with no legs will get beaten up all over the world.

[GoldHeart]

Well I remember discussing the Pistorious trial with family and at work with colleagues ,and all of us could see he was definitely did it .

Someone at work laughed as he couldn't believe how stupid, he could be to 'blast & shoot a closed door several times'.. without calling out his girlfriend's name/ seeing if she's ok.

I never once believed his 'feared intruder' garbage story, he knew his girlfriend must have gone to the bathroom so it didn't make sense .Who the hell gets that trigger happy unless he planned to kill her or he's completely insane or both . Either way he was guilty.

[Vanessa]

This jury is taking things very seriously, which I'm very pleased about. They're taking their time and going through all the evidence.

[ThomasC]

I believe it is, however I've also read that Depp and Heard don't have to attend in person for the verdict so it won't be as dramatic as some are maybe hoping. They CAN attend. I hope they don't. If Heard loses there'll be endless memes of her reaction and really considering what this trial is all about, no matter what you believe it's just pretty gross for it to be turned into "internet comedy".

O don't think either will attend as why would you want that reaction shown to millions.

[user104658]

O don't think either will attend as why would you want that reaction shown to millions.

There will be a lot of very disappointed TikTok creators and YouTube commentators if neither of them show up though :joker:

[Beso]

LONDON — The actor Johnny Depp is the latest American entertainment figure to suggest — however jokingly, ironically or obliquely — the killing of President Trump.

Speaking on Thursday at the Glastonbury arts festival in southwest England, Mr. Depp asked the audience, “Can you bring Trump here?”

The remark was met with booing and jeering, and he continued: “You misunderstand completely. When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? I want to clarify: I’m not an actor. I lie for a living. However, it’s been awhile, and maybe it’s time.”

The words — which were condemned by the White House on Friday, and which Mr. Depp apologized for — were being interpreted as an allusion to the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, an actor, in 1865.







I want to clarify: I’m not an actor. I lie for a living.... 1st true thing I've heard him say.

[Niamh.]

LONDON — The actor Johnny Depp is the latest American entertainment figure to suggest — however jokingly, ironically or obliquely — the killing of President Trump.

Speaking on Thursday at the Glastonbury arts festival in southwest England, Mr. Depp asked the audience, “Can you bring Trump here?”

The remark was met with booing and jeering, and he continued: “You misunderstand completely. When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? I want to clarify: I’m not an actor. I lie for a living. However, it’s been awhile, and maybe it’s time.”

The words — which were condemned by the White House on Friday, and which Mr. Depp apologized for — were being interpreted as an allusion to the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, an actor, in 1865.

I lie for a living.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/c02c3661e9253a6e2a82c502ae0b7212/tumblr_o5pbg9Q9YH1re3x32o1_400.gifv

[Zizu]

I lie for a living.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/c02c3661e9253a6e2a82c502ae0b7212/tumblr_o5pbg9Q9YH1re3x32o1_400.gifv


I’d suggest that ‘lie’ was probably not the best choice of wordage :)

Maybe ‘pretend’ ??


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[user104658]

I’d suggest that ‘lie’ was probably not the best choice of wordage :)

Maybe ‘pretend’ ??


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Yes he pretends that he didn't hit his wife when he was drunk.

[GoldHeart]

Yes he pretends that he didn't hit his wife when he was drunk.

Hilarious :idc:
And AH pretends she 'doesn't recall events ' , whilst also claiming she 'never abused JD'

[Niamh.]

83 Times Johnny Depp Lied Under Cross-Examination

https://64.media.tumblr.com/c02c3661e9253a6e2a82c502ae0b7212/tumblr_o5pbg9Q9YH1re3x32o1_400.gifv

Depp lied over 80 times during cross-examination in a Fairfax, Virginia courtroom. Here is each instance.
Under cross-examination last week by Amber Heard’s lawyer, Benjamin Rottenborn, Johnny Depp was inconsistent with prior testimony and lied over 80 times. In a Geekbuzz exclusive, we have each of Depp’s untruthful utterances. These are in the order in which they were said, and we encourage everyone to listen to the cross-examination themselves.

1: Testified dad wasn’t abusive to him only his mum and his dad just punched walls 3 TIMES and “shattered his hand”

LIE – His father did hit him PUNCHED Johnny Depp in the face and knocked him down after asking Depp to walk dog or take out garbage “Something meaningless” Depp says.

2: Depp agrees he has done pills with Bettany not XANAX, ADDERALL

LIE: He did do xanax with Bettany. UK testimony shows. DEPP admits he would give Bettany XANAX and shared and enjoyment of controlled drugs and alcohol. Whatever drugs Bettany needed.

3. Depp said Amber only disagreed with Depp doing drugs based on her perception of Depp doing drugs which was a wrong perception.

June 11 2013 Bettany text. Depp texts lets drown, burn Amber and “I will **** her burnt corpse to make sure she is dead”

LIE: Depp agreed to doing drugs with Bettany. His rage in the text is based on Amber not wanting to Depp to do drugs. It wasn’t based on Ambers perception as Depp was doing drugs with Bettany. He WAS. Plane texts may 30th. Drank all night no food for days, vodka etc screaming obsenities and insulting people but pills are fine.

4: Depp claims the monster is Ambers word about her perception of Depp on substances or not. Depp claims its her click word. Claims its her word.

LIE: 2012 text to Elton John “I would have been swallowed up by the monster if not for you” Depps use of the word here confirms another lie.

5: Claimed before never abusive towards any woman ever. But has already agreed verbal abuse is abuse.

LIE: Was abusive towards Amber and vicariously Whitney. Texted Whitney “I never want to lay my eyes on that filthy ***** Amber”

6: Depp denies using the word monster.

Text from Jerry Judge April 26th 2015: “Lovely seeing you so happy”

LIE: Depp response: “All Ihad to do was send the monster away and lock him up”

7: Depp denies monster is a word he uses.

Text to Kipper – June 28th 2015
“I’ve locked my monster child away and it has worked”

8: Depp doesn’t use the word monster

LIE: Text to S. Deuters: may 14th 2015.

“Don’t worry the monster is not involved”

9: Depp doesn’t use the word monster

LIE: Text to S Deuters Oct 2013

“She thinks my Peruvian period has made me a monster” ie Cocaine period

10: Depp doesn’t use the word monster

LIE: Unknown recipient text from Depp

“I shall exit a monster” Texts about doing drugs specifically E.

11. When asked is Depp’s employees will do anything for Depp, even obtain illegal drugs, Depp denies his employees do anything he wants. Testifies they aren’t yes men.

LIE: Testimony from UK: There are people who work for you who will supply you with drugs even though it is illegal? Depp said YES.

12: Depp denies drug box contained cocaine as it would go everywhere and leave a trail of cocaine.

LIE: UK Testimony “I do remember the box….yes that is a box I was carrying cocaine in it”

13: Depp Denies being late to a documentary he was filming, as he wasn’t needed.

LIE: Agrees he was late due to an argument with Amber. He was drinking WHISKEY and accusing her of cheating.

14: Denies he has employees who are yes men who deliver drugs.

LIE: Text to Deuters asking where the baggy of drugs is. Deuters tells him where he gave it to Depp. Deuters remembers Depp saying “I know what to do with it”

15. Denies he has employees who are yes men who deliver drugs.

LIE: Depp and Marilyn Manson text about getting drugs delivered to Melbourne.

16: Depp denies sister concerned or privy to his drug use.

LIE: UK TRIAL Depp says his sister spoke many times about his drug use since he was a child.

17: Depp denies drinking heavy at end of relationship with Vanessa Paradis

LIE: Rehab for alcohol, Depp said in the UK trial it was a painful time and Depp agrees he was “Abusing alcohol for SURE”

18: Depp says Amber wasn’t supportive of his sobriety.

LIE: Texts produced showing Depp said only Amber got him sober!!! Thanking her for getting him sober.

19: Depp claims he was never abusive to Vanessa Paradis or any woman.

LIE: Text Elton John calling Vanessa and “EX ****” and “French Extortionist.” UK testimony from Ellen Barkin in which he threw a bottle at her head.

20: Depp claims his kids didn’t like Amber Depp.

LIE: 2013 text to Elton John saying his kids are head over heals in love with Amber.

21: Depp denies Amber was supportive of getting him sober

LIE: Audio played of Amber and Depp talking. Amber says to Depp she was on the other side of the door all night worried he would vomit in his sleep. Depp asks if he does vomit in his sleep in audio. He doesn’t even know. Amber says if he doesn’t know he has an even bigger problem that she first thought. She is clearly worried and trying to help him stay alive!!

22: Depp claimed Amber didn’t want him sober.

LIE: BLACK MASS Boston Milkshake photo was taken to show Depp how bad his opiate problem has become.

23: Depp denies taking Opiates to get high.

LIE: He texted Erin, one of Dr Kipper’s nurses, who messaged him saying she was watching Black Mass…Depp texted back “I was high as a mother ****er when I made that film HAHAHA”

24: Depp says destroying and taking out his anger on things was something he only did when younger.

LIE: April 2019 Deuters text. “I got drunk and destroyed my room”

25: During testimony on the events in Hicksville, Depp denies knowing a Kelly Sue Millano

LIE: He immediately says she was sitting too close too Amber for his liking. So Depp knew exactly who Amber’s counsel were talking about.

26: Depp Denies removing Kellysues hand from Amber and yelling that Amber is “My girl”. Says it is incorrect.

LIE: UK transcript – Depp was asked how he dealt with this event: “I removed kellysue’s hand from Ambers body..” “That is My girl”

27: Denies being abusive on plane from Boston to LA

LIE: Text to Bettany he showed ugly colors and was insane on flight drinking, drugs. Pills

28: Depp said he wasn’t jealous of who she spend time with when filming.

LIE: On the night before the Boston plane flight he agreed in UK transcripts he likely had a heated discussion about a scene with James Franco. He agrees he thought they had an affair.

29: Doesn’t recall being ill after Boston plane flight.

LIE: UK TRANSCRIPTS shown to Depp who agrees it does show he was ill after the plane flight but not that he was ill on the plane…. THAT WASN’T THE QUESTION the question was AFTER the plane flight.

30: Depp claims he wasn’t abusive on that flight.

LIE: Texts to Amber shown including Depp apologizing saying he doesn’t know what he did and needs to get better.

31: Depp claims no drink or drugs on flight.

LIE: Depp texts show he told Bettany he was on pills and powders. Drunk two bottles of Champagne, whiskey and in a blackout.

32: Depp disagrees he was in a blackout on plane flight.

LIE: UK transcript agrees he wouldn’t have told Bettany he had a blackout if he hadn’t.

33: Depp does not agree he was drunk on the flight.

LIE: UK Transcripts Depp said “Sure” when asked if he had done drink and drugs before and during the Boston flight.

34: Depp denies being in a blackout

LIE: Howling Depp plane audio with perfect metadata played. Depp agrees it is his voice howling.

35: Depp denies audio is from plane flight

LIE: Metadata proves it is

36: He wasn’t sick on drugs on flight

LIE: Decided to detox on the island with Dr Kipper due to plane incident

37: Claims Jerry Judge didn’t say “Stay with this ****ing idiot in case he gets sick”

LIE: He does and Depp agrees its Jerry Judges voice

38: Again Denies Amber supportive of Depp getting sober and clean.

LIE: Text to Amber’s mother. “I couldn’t have made it without her” “I wouldn’t be alive” “It was Amber and Amber only who got me through this”

39: Depp told Virginia court by Australia Feb 2015 he was 18 months sober.

LIE: He testified in in the UK he was drunk on plane flight. May 2014.

40: Depp caught lying on Disney cast insurance form Feb 11th 2005.

LIE: Depp signed the cast insurance medical certificate Feb 11th 2015 – “In last 12 months have you used illegal substances whether prescribed by a physician or not.” Depp testified in UK trial he took illegal substances in this time.

41: Depp claims Amber ruined his relationship with Disney regarding Pirates of the Caribbean

LIE: Depp’s text to Deuters whilst working on Pirates 5 in Australia “Honestly, I will not again be doing anything……having *****d for all these wasted pieces of ****….every cunting fight…every ****ing time….I held my rage down” Depp was angry about the Pirates 5 screenplay.

42: Depp denied he had used any drugs other than marijuana before Amber arrived in Australia

LIE: Depp was having Nathan Holmes (personal assistant) do a drug run of cocaine to Depp.

43: Depp denied he had used any drugs other than marijuana before Amber arrived in Australia

LIE: Text Nathan to get happy pills from Marilyn Mansons assistant/ drug dealer Ryan.

44: Depp denied he had used any drugs other than marijuana before Amber arrived in Australia

LIE: Depp text Stephen Deuters about a wee baggee of drugs you have for me from Ryan / Munsons (MANSON)

45: Depp denied he had used any drugs other than marijuana before Amber arrived in Australia

LIE: Anyone of you guys try to lecture me (about drugs) I am a grown man….I’ll do whatever I damn well please. “I’m not unhappy, I’m insane” Depp requests can HE be ecstatic again. Requests ecstasy from Nathan.

46: Depp denied he had used any drugs other than marijuana before Amber arrived in Australia

LIE: “Need more whitey stuff and the E business. I am in bad bad shape. Say nothing to nobody”

46: Depp testified Miss Heard wanted Ecstasy….

LIE: Depp requested to Nathan “he get ecstatic again” in text

47: Depp testified Miss Heard wanted Ecstasy not him….

LIE: Depp requested cocaine and ecstasy for HIMSELF from his Dr right after his finger was cut

48: Depp denied asking for more ecstacy…

LIE: In UK transcripts Depp agrees he was asking for cocaine and ecstasy

49: Depp denies drawing a penis on a painting – Says Amber added to his drawing so it’s just as likely Amber drew the penis on the painting

LIE: UK transcripts – I recall a painting – I remember dunking my finger in paint and I could have defaced the painting i suppose

50: Depp remembers what happened during the finger incident

LIE: Says in Virginia under oath he first knew his fingertip was gone when he saw blood over sofa and carpets

51: Depp remembers what happened during the finger incident

LIE: Depp couldn’t recall the painting at all in Virginia. Depp could recall a painting in the UK trial. But couldn’t recall what he did.

52: Depp said isn’t jealous of who Amber socializes with at work

LIE: Mirror finger paint “Starring Billy Bob and Easy Amber” Depp was jealous of her acting with famous men.

53: Asked if he has ever seen Amber self harm Depp says it depends on the definition as its so broad.

LIE: In the UK he was asked the same question. Depp responded “No, no”

54: Depp testified he told hospital staff he injured his finger in an accordion door.

LIE: On medical records Depp told the hospital staff he accidently cut his finger with a kitchen knife

55: Depp gave testimony in Virginia that he told Dr Kipper Amber cut his finger

LIE: Untrue. On more than one occasion he told Dr kipper he cut off his own finger. Texts messages produced in court confirmed this. Depp lied. Yet again.

56: Amber cut Depp’s finger off

LIE: He told Dr Kippers nurse he cut his own finger in a text. Read to the Virginia court.

57: Amber cut Depp’s finger off

LIE: New audio recording played Depp says “The day that I chopped my finger off” to Amber in private.

58: Depp claims to not be insecure about Amber socializing with other people

LIE: In Uk trial he said her socializing with other people occasionally did make him feel jealous

59: Depp claims to not be insecure about Amber socializing with other people

LIE: Audio of Johnny and Amber Depp played says “I become irrational when you are doing movies I become jealous, ****ing crazy and weird. And we fight a lot more”

60: Depp claims to not be insecure about Amber socializing with other people

LIE: Depp wrote jealous abuse on countertop on gold Sharpie pen at ECB. Depp admits this to court.

61: Depp denies headbutting Amber Heard, claims he restrained her from behind and heads just bumped.

LIE: Audio played to court “I headbutted you in the ****ing forehead” Amber says “I couldn’t believe you did that” Depp confesses on tape. Quite different!!

62: Depp denies beating Amber

LIE: New audio recording played Amber telling Johnny her family has seen her bruises and injuries from Depp.

63: Depp denies abuse in fights.

LIE: Creepy text to Amber’s dad from Johnny shown to court. He apologizes and wrote “Yes I ****ed up I went too far in our fight” Depp apologizes and says it will never happen again. This relates to Amber saying her family has seen her injuries in the previous audio.

64: Depp always splits from arguments with Heard, he claims

LIE: MARCH 9th 2013 – Amber has split after an argument. Depp texts Whitney “Slightly grim morning” Text. Amber is not responding to Depp. Text shown to court.

65: Depp denies abusing Amber

LIE: Court shown kitchen video “You wanna see crazy” Depp threatens Amber as he violently smashes glasses in kitchen

66: Depp claims Amber smiles and laughs at the end of the kitchen video.

LIE: She doesn’t.

67: Depp ridicules Ben Rottenbon for using the term “mega pint” to describe the large glass of wine he poured himself

TRUTH: Depp himself called it a MEGA PINT in the ukUK transcripts.

68: Depp asked if he is bigger than Amber “I wouldn’t say that”

LIE: Of course he is. Pathological lying on the stand here.

69: Depp claims he did not try to intimidate Amber in kitchen video

LIE: “Wanna see crazy” threat is intimidation

70: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber and to be a Southern Gentleman.

LIE: Honda Civic rotting corpse Texts written by Depp read to court

71: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber and to be a Southern Gentleman.

LIE: Text written by Depp calling Amber a **** he donated his jizz too.

72: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber and to be a Southern Gentleman.

LIE: Text from Depp to Amber apologising including his rationale on his actions “I feel hurt, I will hurt back”

73: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber and to be a Southern Gentleman

LIE: Text sent by Depp after letter communication with Amber “The only reason we go for the throat is love” Amber texts “You are going to be the death of me” Depp texts “I have other uses for your throat that do not include injury” Clearly he has injured her throat previously. As spoken of in audio tape that Depp had his hands round Ambers throat and she thought she was going to die “on accident”

74: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber and to be a Southern Gentleman

LIE: Depp apologizes in notebook they wrote messages to each other in, apologizing for “vicious untruths” he spoke for the sole reason of “hurting you.” Depp apologizes for the shameless, disgraceful and odious error.

75: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber and to be a Southern Gentleman

LIE: Tape played “I hate you, you’re a ****” Followed by Depp gagging and spitting.

76: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber and to be a Southern Gentleman

LIE: “You sicken me” text read out. Depp calls Amber a lesbian camp counselor.

77: Depp claims homophobia wasn’t so egregious in 2013

LIE: Clearly Depp was insulting Amber using homophobic slurs which were offensive at the time. That was the point of the text.

78: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber

LIE: All my love and profound apologies – May 22 apology texts read to court

79: Depp claims not to be abusive to Amber

LIE: My apologies are eternal and belong to you apology texts read out for may 21st incident

80: Depp claims not to have abused Amber emotionally and physically

LIE: Knife audio played. Depp tries to get Amber to cut him, Amber refuses “Why would i do that?” Amber says. Amber tries to get Depp to put down the knife. Depp says “Do you wanna be cut?? Do you?? It’s going to court” “Not on my arms” Says Amber. Amber then protests that the knife is blunt and it will be painful if he cuts her with it. Amber says “I would never cut you” Again disproving Depps finger claims.

81: Depp didn’t know Disney were considering removing him or dramatically reducing his role in Pirates 6.

LIE: This had already become international news that Depp was out of Pirates 6. 2 months before OP ED. Depp then confirms “It’s odd they were gonna release me” due to the fact they still sold Captain Jack Sparrow merchandise and had theme park rides related to the character still operating.

82: Depp says Amber’s allegations lost him the Pirates role…

LIE: Depp said he wouldn’t go back for “300 million dollars or a million alpacas.” Magazine article claiming Depp was out as Captain Jack Sparrow, dated two months before Heard’s ope-ed,read aloud in court

83: Depp says Amber made false allegations of domestic abuse for money in divorce

LIE: Depp signed a divorce document that read “Neither party has made false accusations for financial gain”

https://thegeekbuzz.com/news/83-times-johnny-depp-lied-under-cross-examination-so-far/

[user104658]

PERJURY is a very real thing

[Cherie]

I thought the verdict would be out by now, maybe Amber does have a shot :fc:

[Beso]

Proven liar.

[GoldHeart]

PERJURY is a very real thing

I'm pretty sure me & Vanessa etc mentioned perjury already,but ok .

I guess perjury doesn't apply to Mera ? :hee:.

[user104658]

Hilarious :idc:
And AH pretends she 'doesn't recall events ' , whilst also claiming she 'never abused JD'

This is just playing the "sides" game; I'm not an "Amber Heard fan" I just want to see the right outcome of this.

As ever - what Amber Heard has or hasn't done or said (other than in the OpEd) has absolutely no bearing on this libel case.

[Vanessa]

I don't know if we'll get a verdict today.
But I really hope so.

[user104658]

I'm pretty sure me & Vanessa etc mentioned perjury already,but ok .

I guess perjury doesn't apply to Mera ? :hee:.

https://i.imgur.com/PZgpHGG.gif

[GoldHeart]

This is just playing the "sides" game; I'm not an "Amber Heard fan" I just want to see the right outcome of this.

As ever - what Amber Heard has or hasn't done or said (other than in the OpEd) has absolutely no bearing on this libel case.

" Has no bearing" " has no bearing" " has no bearing" ---- translation= it doesn't matter as AH can do & say whatever she wants, even though it's wrong to be violent & aggressive.

[Niamh.]

" Has no bearing" " has no bearing" " has no bearing" ---- translation= it doesn't matter as AH can do & say whatever she wants, even though it's wrong to be violent & aggressive.

Has no bearing on this particular case = Has no bearing on this particular case

[user104658]

" Has no bearing" " has no bearing" " has no bearing" ---- translation= it doesn't matter as AH can do & say whatever she wants, even though it's wrong to be violent & aggressive.

It's wrong, yes. It's not relevant to the libel claim. I know you'd like it to be - but it isn't.

[GoldHeart]

I think it's very relevant to the case ,so we will have to just agree to disagree there.

AH aka Mera has BS ed her way through court .

[user104658]

I think it's very relevant to the case ,so we will have to just agree to disagree there.

AH aka Mera has BS ed her way through court .

I don't think we will have to agree to disagree on the definition of libel, it's pretty clear :think:. You can agree to disagree, I'll continue to know what it means.

[Beso]

I think it's very relevant to the case ,so we will have to just agree to disagree there.

AH aka Mera has BS ed her way through court .

What do you think of the 83 times johnny Depp has lied during cross examination gh?

[user104658]

What do you think of the 83 times johnny Depp has lied during cross examination gh?

https://i.imgur.com/wwx3WxO.gif

[Vanessa]

The jury is currently out for lunch.
So if there is a verdict it will be after.

[Vanessa]

Guya, verdict at 3 pm! I'm not ready for this! D:

[bots]

is that 7pm UK time? ... so in 5 minutes? :laugh:

[Vanessa]

is that 7pm UK time? ... so in 5 minutes? :laugh:

Is it? I'm officially freaking out :laugh:

[bots]

Is it? I'm officially freaking out :laugh:

im not sure what time zone its in :laugh:

[AnnieK]

I think they are 5 hours behind

[bots]

So in 1 hour then

[Vanessa]

So in 1 hour then

Yes. It's going to be 8pm our time.

[bots]

any time now

[AnnieK]

The judge sent the jury back out as they hadn't included dollar amounts in the damages section.....looks like they have found in favour.of one of them

[bots]

The judge sent the jury back out as they hadn't included dollar amounts in the damages section.....looks like they have found in favour.of one of them

0 is a number :laugh:

[arista]

Johnny Wins

[bots]

wrong result

[arista]

Johnny Awarded $15Million

[arista]

Johnny Wins


Amber is in Shock

[arista]

wrong result
The Jury has Spoken.

[arista]

Amber Rushes out of Court

[Alf]

Is that the end now? There isn't gonna be a sequel is there?

[Vanessa]

Omg I'm so happy! Best birthday present ever!:cheer2:

[Liam-]

Finally the long awaited justice for an incredibly wronged man

[Vanessa]

Finally the long awaited justice for an incredibly wrong man

It's party time :dance:

[user104658]

justice for an incredibly wrong man

Well I can't argue with you there.

This outcome has been inevitable for weeks; a tragic day for all women and especially victims of domestic abuse, who have had their ability to speak up knocked back by decades. All the work of #MeToo undone by a jury of hicks.

Congratulations I guess? :shrug:

Perched for his upcoming assault trial. Shall we all be watching that one?

[Vanessa]

Jury found she acted with malice! :amazed:

[Zizu]

Is that the end now? There isn't gonna be a sequel is there?


Or a feckin appeal !!


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[Zizu]

Sooooo will Disney come calling on him now ??


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[user104658]

Jury found she acted with malice! :amazed:


Yes if they hadn't she wouldn't have been found guilty of libel. This is part of the legal definition. They're not saying "she's really mean heeheehee", you can put your party-poppers away.

[user104658]

Sooooo will Disney come calling on him now ??


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Highly unlikely as he was also found guilty of defamation :hehe:. And he's due back in court on assault charges soon. That's against a man so he might even lose!

Maybe we're ignoring those parts. Gentle Johnny UwU

[Vanessa]

Johnny already said he will never go back to Disney.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A victory for the much maligned Pirate Community

Arrrrrr

[user104658]

Johnny already said he will never go back to Disney.


He's back in court on assault charges soon Vanessa. Will you be tuning in? #JusticeForJohnny :hee:

Have you got anything to say about Amber's counter-lawsuit also being successfully upheld? You've been oddly quiet on that :think:

[GiRTh]

Well I can't argue with you there.

This outcome has been inevitable for weeks; a tragic day for all women and especially victims of domestic abuse, who have had their ability to speak up knocked back by decades. All the work of #MeToo undone by a jury of hicks.

Congratulations I guess? :shrug:

Perched for his upcoming assault trial. Shall we all be watching that one?
I agree with the sentiment of this but I don't think the jury put the #MeToo movement but Miss Heard's lack of evidence, poor sometimes histrionic performance on the stand and her recollection of incidents that conflict with even her own sister. Maybe the trauma of reliving the incidents made her testimony so not believable but some of the inconsistencies in her stories stick out like a beacon.

Its clear this was a toxic relationship but who was the aggressor? Both teams make a distinction between hitting and other forms of physical abuse that I'm not sure should be made. Mr Depp vehemently denies ever 'striking' Miss Heard ,as he puts it, but he admits there was an incident where he was - as he puts it - had his hands on her shoulders and was trying to get her to stay on the bed. Clearly he's put his hands on her in an aggressive manner so I dont agree with the distinction.

There were incidents that it seem Miss Heard made up and the way their is stories differ so starkly regarding the same incidents is laughable at times. Where as Depp is calm and almost going into too much details, Heard clearly skips thru and misses out parts of recollection of event. We odnt know if its the trauma of reliving but she was unconvincing and a bit snarky in her testimony

We don't know anything other than this was toxic relation ship and these two need to stay the hell away from each other. MeeToo has definitely been put back but I don't think Mr Depp had much to do with it, frankly

[user104658]

It's not about whose fault it is or what the intent was - the fact that one of the most high-profile trials on history (which is insane in the first place) has resulted in someone being successfully sued for millions of dollars for writing about an experience of abuse effectively means that any and every abuse victim is going to now think twice (thrice, and four times over) about coming forward. It's an absolute catastrophe for abuse victims. Even people who believe Depp should understand that, and stop "celebrating". It's completely inappropriate given what this was about.

[GiRTh]

It's not about whose fault it is or what the intent was - the fact that one of the most high-profile trials on history (which is insane in the first place) has resulted in someone being successfully sued for millions of dollars for writing about an experience of abuse effectively means that any and every abuse victim is going to now think twice (thrice, and four times over) about coming forward. It's an absolute catastrophe for abuse victims. Even people who believe Depp should understand that, and stop "celebrating". It's completely inappropriate given what this was about.Experiences that were possibly made up. :shrug:

Again, maybe the trauma of reliving the incidents but Miss Heard in her first testimony was cocky and dismissive. She set the scene for herself at the deposition in 2016. She's played herself, in the end

I sympathise but Miss Heard, on her own, has done this to herself. MeToo need look no further Amber Heard for the problem this will cause abused victims all over the world

[Vanessa]

He's back in court on assault charges soon Vanessa. Will you be tuning in? #JusticeForJohnny :hee:

Have you got anything to say about Amber's counter-lawsuit also being successfully upheld? You've been oddly quiet on that :think:

Meh, Johnny won his case. That's all I care about.:hee:

[user104658]

Experiences that were possibly made up. :shrug:

Again, maybe the trauma of reliving the incidents but Miss Heard in her first testimony was cocky and dismissive. She set the scene for herself at the deposition in 2016. She's played herself, in the end

I sympathise but Miss Heard, on her own, has done this to herself. MeToo need look no further Amber Heard for the problem this will cause abused victims all over the world


The MeToo movement need look no further than a woman for the problems it will cause abuse victims. Of course! I mean who else would it be? The glass-smashing coke head? That couldn't be it. It must be the imperfect victim! Yes. Indeed! Burn the witch. Why not?

[user104658]

Meh, Johnny won his case. That's all I care about.:hee:


You don't care that she also won her case, I understand that as you hold a vendetta there.

But you don't care that he's been charged with assault on someone else? :think: that's a bit strange. I thought you were a fan of his.

Wait.... Hold on a minute... Gasp! You're not trying to tell me that this victory celebration is all about smug tribalism are you?? I refuse to believe it!

[Cherie]

Verdict not unexpected unfortunately

[user104658]

Verdict not unexpected unfortunately


All but inevitable. Her libel case against him was upheld as well (I'm going to keep repeating this as it's being conveniently brushed under the carpet - they both won their respective cases)...

There's a reason his team chose Virginia. Notorious for upholding libel claims.

[GiRTh]

The MeToo movement need look no further than a woman for the problems it will cause abuse victims. Of course! I mean who else would it be? The glass-smashing coke head? That couldn't be it. It must be the imperfect victim! Yes. Indeed! Burn the witch. Why not?That's clearly not what I'm saying. You first mentioned MeToo anmd it was the MeToo coment that I replied to

Miss Heard was someone who visibly backed the MeToo movement and to then clearly make up allegations is not the same as saying as what you're saying. She was a major player, you cannot deny.

The fact we are looking at a woman is clearly not what I'm, saying. Are you aware that Miss Heard accused her previous partner - a bi woman of abuse too? Her previous partner also denies it. and says it was the other way round. Amber Heard is a piece of work. Thats all I'm saying

[GiRTh]

They've both lied. He, IMO lied, about the amount of drugs he took on their wedding day . Its blows my mind that he was off his head on his wedding day

[Liam-]

Johnny Depp, not this case, has set the me too movement backwards, what will set it back, - which I don’t even believe it even will, that entire assumption is based off of sexist vitriol - is Amber Heard blatantly lying about something that didn’t happen, and an entire movement backing her without thought of whether is was true or not and pushing for the societal blacklist of someone based on nothing but her words.

This case wasn’t about women in general, it was about a single woman and her deplorable actions, should the world and a jury ignore her actions because it might possibly look bad for a movement? That doesn’t seem or logical to me, she did something wrong, she’s now facing the consequences of it, if it backfires on the movement, it would be nobodies fault but her own

[Zizu]

Just watched a few clips of her giving evidence on Sky News ..

She just looked like a third rate actress


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[user104658]

That's clearly not what I'm saying. You first mentioned MeToo anmd it was the MeToo coment that I replied to

Miss Heard was someone who visibly backed the MeToo movement and to then clearly make up allegations is not the same as saying as what you're saying. She was a major player, you cannot deny.

The fact we are looking at a woman is clearly not what I'm, saying. Are you aware that Miss Heard accused her previous partner - a bi woman of abuse too? Her previous partner also denies it. and says it was the other way round. Amber Heard is a piece of work. Thats all I'm saying


You're a bit late to the thread to be spamming the same regurgitated Twitter/TikTok bull**** we’ve been chewing over for weeks I’m afraid. You forgot to call her “Amber Turd” for extra chuckles.

[Liam-]

And I hope this inspires more male domestic abuse victims to come forward with their stories too, the stigma of being a male victim needs to be eradicated and hopefully this is just the start of that happening

[GiRTh]

iT2Kiyt7-rk
The first deposition. She's eating at one point . WTF, eating while talking about incredibly traumatic experiences?

[user104658]

Johnny Depp, not this case, has set the me too movement backwards, what will set it back, - which I don’t even believe it even will, that entire assumption is based off of sexist vitriol - is Amber Heard blatantly lying about something that didn’t happen, and an entire movement backing her without thought of whether is was true or not and pushing for the societal blacklist of someone based on nothing but her words.

This case wasn’t about women in general, it was about a single woman and her deplorable actions, should the world and a jury ignore her actions because it might possibly look bad for a movement? That doesn’t seem or logical to me, she did something wrong, she’s now facing the consequences of it, if it backfires on the movement, it would be nobodies fault but her own


You don’t believe this will set the MeToo movement back … so I don’t think your assessment of anything else is going to be very reliable.

It’s catastrophic for MeToo and has much further reaching consequences. Women all over the world tonight will have abusive partners reminding them not to bother speaking up, as no one will believe them, “just look at Amber Heard”.

A truly miserable situation and millions of people are puffing their little chests and crowing about it. It’s sickening.

[GiRTh]

You're a bit late to the thread to be spamming the same regurgitated Twitter/TikTok bull**** we’ve been chewing over for weeks I’m afraid. You forgot to call her “Amber Turd” for extra chuckles.
Oh Goodness. I've followed it since 2016

[user104658]

And I hope this inspires more male domestic abuse victims to come forward with their stories too, the stigma of being a male victim needs to be eradicated and hopefully this is just the start of that happening


You shouldn’t encourage them to come forward, they’ll be sued for libel. Even if they have videos of their partners being abusive. That’s the new status who for victims; don’t speak up, or you might be punished. What on earth makes you think male victims can now speak up?

[user104658]

Oh Goodness. I've followed it since 2016


Where.

[GiRTh]

Where.I watched the original depositions when they came out.

Do you have something to say about the issue?

[user104658]

iT2Kiyt7-rk
The first deposition. She's eating at one point . WTF, eating while talking about incredibly traumatic experiences?


Look at that awful creature, she’s not victiming properly! No wonder she’s in this mess. If she was a proper victim doing the things proper victims do, it wouldn’t have come to this!

[user104658]

I watched the original depositions when they came out.

Do you have something to say about the issue?


I think I’m already saying plenty, but rest assured yes I have plenty more to say about it.

[GiRTh]

Look at that awful creature, she’s not victiming properly! No wonder she’s in this mess. If she was a proper victim doing the things proper victims do, it wouldn’t have come to this!Maybe but in the recent trial Miss Heard's body language was starkly different. Where as Mr Depp has been consistent about how the event went for about 6 years.

[user104658]

Maybe but in the recent trial Miss Heard's body language was starkly different. Where as Mr Depp has been consistent about how the event went for about 6 years.


Have you seen the video of them in their kitchen, and do you think Depp’s actions in that video are abusive?

[GoldHeart]

Meh, Johnny won his case. That's all I care about.:hee:
:clap1:
The right verdict, I actually thought AH was going to win for a second. It sounded like the jury were taking a while,but it can't be easy .

[GiRTh]

Have you seen the video of them in their kitchen, and do you think Depp’s actions in that video are abusive?He did, have you watched the edited or full vid? Even TMZ have commented that the vid was edited and Miss Heard was confirmed as the source before it was posted.

EDIT: Something that she still denied in this trial under oath.

[user104658]

:clap1:
The right verdict, I actually thought AH was going to win for a second. It sounded like the jury were taking a while,but it can't be easy .


She did also win her case against Depp and his lawyer. Maybe you put your fingers in your ears for that part? Sorry to break the news if so.

[user104658]

He did, have you watched the edited or full vid? Even TMZ have commented that the vid was edited and Miss Heard was confirmed as the source before it was posted.

EDIT: Something that she still denied in this trial under oath.


I’ve seen the full video and whoever released it is irrelevant, his actions in that video constitute a form of domestic violence regardless of the circumstances or supposed “provocation”.

If you disagree that his behaviour in that video constitutes domestic violence we have very little to talk about, because I fundamentally disagree.

[rusticgal]

Have you seen the video of them in their kitchen, and do you think Depp’s actions in that video are abusive?

You saw him abuse the cupboards…you saw him swipe the phone out of her hand when he saw she was filming him…but you did not see him abuse her. All you saw was a drunken man violate equipment not a person.
We all have an imagination…it was ugly to watch but that did not prove that he was abusing his wife.

[GiRTh]

I’ve seen the full video and whoever released it is irrelevant, his actions in that video constitute a form of domestic violence regardless of the circumstances or supposed “provocation”.

If you disagree that his behaviour in that video constitutes domestic violence we have very little to talk about, because I fundamentally disagree.I've said in my first post that I dont agree with the distinction, made by both sides, between 'striking' and other forms of abusive. They seem to think that 'striking' is the only form of abuse and I admit you're absolutely right. He was abusive

I go to who sent the vid because it shows this was sent by Miss Heard. Why not send it to the police? Why TMZ? Yet she still denies even sending it. It all adds up to the US definition of 'Malicious intent'.

The vid is more than Mr Depp slamming a cupboard and kicking a kitchen worktop. The setting up of the camera and the giggle at the end buried her.
We're getting into some dodgy ground here but in that particular video, all Mr Depp's actions are away from Miss Heard, not toward her. You may not agree that its relevant but watch that vid again.

[GoldHeart]

She did also win her case against Depp and his lawyer. Maybe you put your fingers in your ears for that part? Sorry to break the news if so.

I never put my fingers in my ears , trials in the UK are not televised so I don't know why AH won. Possibly because people feared backlash from the #metoo movement ,but AH hijacked that.

All of JD's ex partners including Kate Moss have nothing but nice things to say, he DID NOT push Kate Moss down the stairs. AH was peddling 'rumous' & 'hearsay'.

If JD is such a monster then why have all his ex's defended him. And having addiction problems, and getting angry does not EQUAL woman beater.

[GoldHeart]

iT2Kiyt7-rk
The first deposition. She's eating at one point . WTF, eating while talking about incredibly traumatic experiences?

Yeah I've seen the video, really bizarre how she's stuffing her face & her whole demeanor is odd.

And in the deposition she let slip that the kitchen video WAS sent to TMZ, and after she said it you can see she regrets letting that cat out the bag as she covers her face . In the trial she backtracked & denies ever Leaking any video. She changed her stories way too many timea.

She mentioned the Kate Moss incident, like she knew what happened. But she actually lied . Then she called her a witness 'out the wood work ', and how it was a
' rumour she heard about KM' .

She made herself look foolish, as no rumours or hearsay should ever be said in court as fact under oath.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1532120297855401991

Piers calls out the lefties using this to attack men

[Zizu]

Have you seen the video of them in their kitchen, and do you think Depp’s actions in that video are abusive?


We’ve been through all this yesterday .. it clearly looked as though she was trying to get him to snap as she was filming him .. prodding ( verbally) and provoking to simply get a reaction on film


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[Beso]

Justice has been served...

I've enjoyed the thread.

Onwards and upwards for the battered women of the world.

[Beso]

We’ve been through all this yesterday .. it clearly looked as though she was trying to get him to snap as she was filming him .. prodding ( verbally) and provoking to simply get a reaction on film


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What words did she use in that video to provoke an argument..just out of interest in an personal level between me and you.:shrug:

[Beso]

So was the 15million for loss of earnings on the new pirates movie...?

Or the beasts one?

[Beso]

Lol 15 million...would have been nothing if she had followed through on her charity pledge...silly cow..

Justice has been served.

[Beso]

She got off lightly...the last person who tried to sue depp ain't been seen since 2 weeks before the case was due to start.

[GoldHeart]

Justice has been served...

I've enjoyed the thread.

Onwards and upwards for the battered women of the world.


AH is NOT a image of EVERY female victim, and she is not battered .

If JD really did what she said, especially with the bottle assault . She would not be walking & skipping about like nothing. She would have lasting scars & damage to her body .

Rihanna needed medical care after Chris Brown assaulted her . Funny how AH didn't seem to bother with any doctors.

[user104658]

I never put my fingers in my ears , trials in the UK are not televised so I don't know why AH won.

No no GoldHeart, she won the defamation case against Depp and his lawyer in THIS trial that you have apparently been watching; they each had a claim against each other. He won his claim, and she won her claim. Did you perhaps turn it off after hearing only half of the verdict?

[user104658]

We’ve been through all this yesterday .. it clearly looked as though she was trying to get him to snap as she was filming him .. prodding ( verbally) and provoking to simply get a reaction on film


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Yes Zizu I know you think abuse/violence is excusable if the perpetrator "was provoked", you made that clear enough.

[Beso]

AH is NOT a image of EVERY female victim, and she is not battered .

If JD really did what she said, especially with the bottle assault . She would not be walking & skipping about like nothing. She would have lasting scars & damage to her body .

Rihanna needed medical care after Chris Brown assaulted her . Fully how AH didn't seem to bother with any doctors.



What I mean is, every battered woman who has actually been battered, will now feel less empowered to come forward about being battered because of amber heards lies.


Justice has been served.

[GiRTh]

Yeah I've seen the video, really bizarre how she's stuffing her face & her whole demeanor is odd.

And in the deposition she let slip that the kitchen video WAS sent to TMZ, and after she said it you can see she regrets letting that cat out the bag as she covers her face . In the trial she backtracked & denies ever Leaking any video. She changed her stories way too many timea.

She mentioned the Kate Moss incident, like she knew what happened. But she actually lied . Then she called her a witness 'out the wood work ', and how it was a
' rumour she heard about KM' .

She made herself look foolish, as no rumours or hearsay should ever be said in court as fact under oath.Agree. She played herself and lost.

I dont want to bash Miss Heard too much more but this didnt work and she needs to rebuild from here.

[Beso]

No no GoldHeart, she won the defamation case against Depp and his lawyer in THIS trial that you have apparently been watching; they each had a claim against each other. He won his claim, and she won her claim. Did you perhaps turn it off after hearing only half of the verdict?

Did she get any cash back at the co OP though TS@ this is my burning question..I've missed it all.:shrug:

Was out for the footy.

[Beso]

No no GoldHeart, she won the defamation case against Depp and his lawyer in THIS trial that you have apparently been watching; they each had a claim against each other. He won his claim, and she won her claim. Did you perhaps turn it off after hearing only half of the verdict?

Actually thats weird....cause if she won her case that was to prove that they deliberately set out to defame her character yeah?

So she won that, but......

ahhh now it makes sense...I was gonna say thats abuse because it is ain't it, deliberately defame your partner is a form of abuse..JOHNNY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF ABUSE THEN? But no...

Why?....well because they wernt married at the time when him and his lawyer set out to mentally destroy her..


In short, I guess it's ok to abuse your EX.



What a lovely world we live in.....

[rusticgal]

The thing is sadly there are many women that are victims of domestic abuse…not every one of them are…there are women, and I believe Amber Heard is one of them, that will manipulate a situation to claim this is the case. There are men that become victims of manipulation albeit in this case Johnny Depp’s abuse of alcohol and drugs did not help his case…he was verbally abusive and destructive but there was no evidence to prove he was physically abusive to her. This is what she claimed in her defamation of him…but it could not be proved…which is why he won the case.
Her inaccuracies in her testament…her overacted account…her demeanour and lack of emotion did not not convince the jury.
There are many men that are victims of abuse…and she admitted that she assaulted him. It must be harder for a man to be seen as a victim of abuse from a woman than vice versa.
I am no fan of JD and this has done him no favours…he took a massive risk taking this to court because he could so easily have lost..and he has exposed himself as a violent drunk and drug abuser but he simply wanted to prove he wasn’t the person she exposed him to be.

[GoldHeart]

No no GoldHeart, she won the defamation case against Depp and his lawyer in THIS trial that you have apparently been watching; they each had a claim against each other. He won his claim, and she won her claim. Did you perhaps turn it off after hearing only half of the verdict?

Then why did she struggle with the events that happened in the USA trial ?.

You'll have to excuse me ,as I don't know the full ins & outs of the UK one . I know JD was suing the newspaper,and AH invited & tipped off TMZ & wanted her 'bruised ' face to show the press. She set things up , she deliberately put on a show for them .

[Zizu]

Yes Zizu I know you think abuse/violence is excusable if the perpetrator "was provoked", you made that clear enough.


Yawn


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[jet]

It’s catastrophic for MeToo and has much further reaching consequences. Women all over the world tonight will have abusive partners reminding them not to bother speaking up, as no one will believe them, “just look at Amber Heard”.

Why though? Cases are assessed on their own merit. Many people aren’t even following this case (like me) and many more will never even have heard about it. I have admittedly no idea about what went on, I’ve just been reading bits of the thread.
But it seems you are basically saying that any well known woman MUST ALWAYS be found to be in the right, no matter the circumstances or the truth, so other women won’t be fearful about coming forward. That’s crazy.

[jet]

No no GoldHeart, she won the defamation case against Depp and his lawyer in THIS trial that you have apparently been watching; they each had a claim against each other. He won his claim, and she won her claim. Did you perhaps turn it off after hearing only half of the verdict?

If she also won her claim, why do you consider this case so disastrous for the MeToo movement? :conf:

[GoldHeart]

You don’t believe this will set the MeToo movement back … so I don’t think your assessment of anything else is going to be very reliable.

It’s catastrophic for MeToo and has much further reaching consequences. Women all over the world tonight will have abusive partners reminding them not to bother speaking up, as no one will believe them, “just look at Amber Heard”.

A truly miserable situation and millions of people are puffing their little chests and crowing about it. It’s sickening.

How ridiculous & melodramatic , how on earth can it set the MeToo movement "backwards"??. AH is not a poor little battered housewife, She won the UK trial due to the article labelling him a "wife beater" and she enjoyed the attention it gave her , and as you know we live in a society where it's guilty until proven innocent. And with JD's addiction & issues, the media had a field day.

AH took advantage of the #MeToo movement , She is not a spokesperson for domestic abuse no matter how much she tries to be . one minute the article ISN'T about JD then the next it IS , and she just wanted to look good by pretending to give all that money to charities. Why didn't she donate any of the money???, she lied on NATIONAL TV and said she would.

[Zizu]

How ridiculous & melodramatic , how on earth can it set the MeToo movement "backwards"??. AH is not a poor little battered housewife, She won the UK trial due to the article labelling him a "wife beater" and she enjoyed the attention it gave her , and as you know we live in a society where it's guilty until proven innocent. And with JD's addiction & issues, the media had a field day.

AH took advantage of the #MeToo movement , She is not a spokesperson for domestic abuse no matter how much she tries to be . one minute the article ISN'T about JD then the next it IS , and she just wanted to look good by pretending to give all that money to charities. Why didn't she donate any of the money???, she lied on NATIONAL TV and said she would.


I’ll be honest here and admit that until last week I’d never even heard of her and now a week later I’m hoping that I never have to hear of or see her again..


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[GoldHeart]

I’ll be honest here and admit that until last week I’d never even heard of her and now a week later I’m hoping that I never have to hear of or see her again..


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She never left much of an impression ... just more of a background actress, I watched Stepfather the 2009 movie some years ago , and i legit didn't even realise she was in that movie.

The funny thing is if it wasn't for JD , she probably wouldn't have gotten this much exposure & fame . And i truly believe he was the one that helped her get the part in Aquaman.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12B1A/production/_125007567_dailymail-nc.png

[arista]

Amber is having trouble finding the $15 million
she must pay him.



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[Crimson Dynamo]

If she also won her claim, why do you consider this case so disastrous for the MeToo movement? :conf:

the metoo "movement" isnt actually real its a social media trend

[bots]

neither heard nor depp are anything close to normal people, so i think it's impossible to say if it will affect the chances of success of abused women going forward. It is also ONE state in the USA and the usa is becoming as extreme as many of the countries currently vilified for their disgusting behaviour. So I dont think precedent enters into it on this occasion

[Crimson Dynamo]

Depp in a Newcastle pub with celeb pals - as he was going in he was getting fist pumps from blokes at the bar

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/01/21/58563969-10862287-image-a-67_1654116122982.jpg

[arista]

Way Back in 2011

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/01/18/56806415-10862287-Over_six_weeks_at_the_court_in_Fairfax_Virginia_De pp_called_38_w-a-31_1654105886524.jpg

[arista]

Yesterday
Outside the Court

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/01/22/58566257-10862287-Supporters_of_actor_Johnny_Depp_react_as_the_verdi ct_is_announce-a-30_1654120740399.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yesterday
Outside the Court

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/01/22/58566257-10862287-Supporters_of_actor_Johnny_Depp_react_as_the_verdi ct_is_announce-a-30_1654120740399.jpg

I never believed Ness was in Hastings, I can just see her at the back

[user104658]

Then why did she struggle with the events that happened in the USA trial ?.

You'll have to excuse me ,as I don't know the full ins & outs of the UK one . I know JD was suing the newspaper,and AH invited & tipped off TMZ & wanted her 'bruised ' face to show the press. She set things up , she deliberately put on a show for them .


I’m not talking about the UK trial!

I’m talking about this trial. He was suing her, she was also counter-suing him for that by him and his lawyer (the one who was kicked out of the trial near the beginning) had been doing. He won his libel case AND she won the counter-case. Yesterday. In Virginia. Like I said, did you turn it off in excitement before the full verdict was read? For someone who has been following the trial so closely, you don’t seem to know much about it?

However if you do want my opinion on why the UK trial went better for her than the one in Virginia, it’s because the verdict of the UK trial was decided by judges (highly trained legal experts who knew what they were looking at) and not a jury of 7 hillbillies who had spent too much time on Twitter throughout the trial despite being explicitly told not to do that.

[Nicky91]

the evil ratface heard woman losing YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :cheer2: :cheer2:


as song johnny be goode goes


GO JOHNNY GO!!!!!!!!!!!


:cheer2: :cheer2:

[user104658]

neither heard nor depp are anything close to normal people, so i think it's impossible to say if it will affect the chances of success of abused women going forward. It is also ONE state in the USA and the usa is becoming as extreme as many of the countries currently vilified for their disgusting behaviour. So I dont think precedent enters into it on this occasion


Unfortunately that’s not the point BOTS - it wouldn’t affect their legal chances at all, for the reasons you’ve said, it’s one US state that’s already notorious for its “easy” libel outcomes (it’s why Depp put it on trial there and not in California, where he would probably have not even got to trial, let alone won).

It’s not about legal precedent it’s about the publicity of the case. There are already women currently with domestic violence services terrified about what this means for them, and if their abusive ex partner is going to be able to come after them in the courts. And that’s people who have already reported it/escaped it… there will be countless now who simply will be too scared to come forward in the first place.

The best hope is that people are bored enough of hearing about this for it to fade out of the zeitgeist relatively quickly.

[user104658]

Just to add guys… an awful lot of reports of

1) Depp having talked to or paid off people (women) not to come forward with evidence against him. And a report that Winona Ryder was going to give evidence (AGAINST Depp) in the UK trial but withdrew. Hmmm.

2) It’s been confirmed that multiple jurors were viewing and using social media throughout the trial despite being instructed by the court not to do so, which is highly likely to have influenced their judgement, especially given the confirmed fact that Depp’s first lawyer was leaking false information.



… there’s highly likely to be an appeal. I’m sure we’ll all enjoy that! It’ll have to wait until after his upcoming trial for assault though I guess. You know. That upcoming case that none of you want to acknowledge is happening :joker:. Ffs.

[Zizu]

I’m not talking about the UK trial!

I’m talking about this trial. A jury of 7 hillbillies who had spent too much time on Twitter throughout the trial despite being explicitly told not to do that.

Where is the proof that they actually disobeyed the specific instructions ?


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[Zizu]

Just to add guys… an awful lot of reports of

1) Depp having talked to or paid off people (women) not to come forward with evidence against him. And a report that Winona Ryder was going to give evidence (AGAINST Depp) in the UK trial but withdrew. Hmmm.

2) It’s been confirmed that multiple jurors were viewing and using social media throughout the trial despite being instructed by the court not to do so, which is highly likely to have influenced their judgement, especially given the confirmed fact that Depp’s first lawyer was leaking false information.



… there’s highly likely to be an appeal. I’m sure we’ll all enjoy that! It’ll have to wait until after his upcoming trial for assault though I guess. You know. That upcoming case that none of you want to acknowledge is happening :joker:. Ffs.


Links to all the above claims / accusations??!!


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[user104658]

Links to all the above claims / accusations??!!


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You vastly overestimated my energy for trying to convince people on this thread who I know have already made up their minds. GoldHeart has been banging on about watching this closely every day and didn’t even know there WAS a counter-suit. Waste of everyone’s time. You can look it up if you’re particularly curious or you can wait and see what happens.

[GoldHeart]

Amber is having trouble finding the $15 million
she must pay him.



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Technically it's $13 million ,as JD has to pay her $2million.

I don't know why she'd be struggling, when she just sits on money & pretends to donate .

[user104658]

Technically it's $13 million ,as JD has to pay her $2million.

I don't know why she'd be struggling, when she just sits on money & pretends to donate .


It’s $8.35 million because Virginia caps punitive damages at $350,000 which I’m sure you know as you’ve been following so closely, so I’ll assume your finger just slipped on your calculator when you worked it out as $13 million.

[GoldHeart]

I’m not talking about the UK trial!

I’m talking about this trial. He was suing her, she was also counter-suing him for that by him and his lawyer (the one who was kicked out of the trial near the beginning) had been doing. He won his libel case AND she won the counter-case. Yesterday. In Virginia. Like I said, did you turn it off in excitement before the full verdict was read? For someone who has been following the trial so closely, you don’t seem to know much about it?

However if you do want my opinion on why the UK trial went better for her than the one in Virginia, it’s because the verdict of the UK trial was decided by judges (highly trained legal experts who knew what they were looking at) and not a jury of 7 hillbillies who had spent too much time on Twitter throughout the trial despite being explicitly told not to do that.


Here we go with the condescending tone again . I genuinely thought you were talking about the UK trial, and no I didn't turn on or turn off anything. I watched the result/ verdict quite late ,and I found out afterwards about the money they both owe eachother now.

No I wasn't getting excited, I'm not the one banging on about memes & social media all the time.

As I've said already I think it was the right decision & verdict, as there was no proof JD was ever physically violent . whole thing was still ugly.

It was a serious matter . I guess my reaction was more relieved it's over & glad that JD can get on with his life.

Why are you calling the jury members 'hillbillies' , is it because you hate the result. How are you getting information about them going 'against rules'. How do you know they were influenced?, they took a while to decide ,I don't think they rushed it.

I've not heard anything about Winona wanting to testify against JD. And it's silly to accuse JD of paying people off, without evidence . Witnesses came forward to tell their side of things. You don't like what you heard that's all it is .

[Niamh.]

Just to add guys… an awful lot of reports of

1) Depp having talked to or paid off people (women) not to come forward with evidence against him. And a report that Winona Ryder was going to give evidence (AGAINST Depp) in the UK trial but withdrew. Hmmm.

2) It’s been confirmed that multiple jurors were viewing and using social media throughout the trial despite being instructed by the court not to do so, which is highly likely to have influenced their judgement, especially given the confirmed fact that Depp’s first lawyer was leaking false information.



… there’s highly likely to be an appeal. I’m sure we’ll all enjoy that! It’ll have to wait until after his upcoming trial for assault though I guess. You know. That upcoming case that none of you want to acknowledge is happening :joker:. Ffs.

And actually 2 of his exes said he had anger issues and was controlling and possessive. Ellen Barkin and Jennifer Grey

[GoldHeart]

It’s $8.35 million because Virginia caps punitive damages at $350,000 which I’m sure you know as you’ve been following so closely, so I’ll assume your finger just slipped on your calculator when you worked it out as $13 million.

More condescending rude tones ... Awesome.

I'm obviously too 'STUPID ' ,I can't be as clever as some people oh well .

[GoldHeart]

And actually 2 of his exes said he had anger issues and was controlling and possessive. Ellen Barkin and Jennifer Grey

Neither of them said he was violent or physical.

Ellen Barkin never felt in danger,she continued to visit him & vice Versa. Jennifer Grey still wishes him well.

[Zizu]

It’s $8.35 million because Virginia caps punitive damages at $350,000 which I’m sure you know as you’ve been following so closely, so I’ll assume your finger just slipped on your calculator when you worked it out as $13 million.


Didn’t they mention two amounts she’s liable for ?

$10 million and a separate $5 million ??


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[GoldHeart]

Didn’t they mention two amounts she’s liable for ?

$10 million and a separate $5 million ??


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That's what I heard aswell,but I'm clearly too THICK to hear & read properly .. oh well.

[Zizu]

You vastly overestimated my energy for trying to convince people on this thread who I know have already made up their minds. GoldHeart has been banging on about watching this closely every day and didn’t even know there WAS a counter-suit. Waste of everyone’s time. You can look it up if you’re particularly curious or you can wait and see what happens.


Well if you are gonna state such series accusations/ claims then YOU should be supplying some links or evidence... otherwise they’re just unsubstantiated wafflings


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[user104658]

I don’t believe that complex legal issues should be decided on by laypeople with no legal training. I don’t believe that domestic violence cases should be decided on by people with no knowledge of domestic violence, or what is normal behaviour for victims of domestic violence. I said “hillbillies” as a colourful way of saying “people who don’t know what they’re looking at and think victims must look a certain way” - something we’ve seen plenty of in this thread too.

It’s certainly not about not liking what I’ve seen/heard, although of course I don’t “like” it, as I’ve said on multiple occasions the kitchen video is all I need to stare with 100% certainty that there was behaviour from Depp that is a form of domestic abuse. That’s all I needed to see or hear because - unlike some - I don’t think any mountain of evidence showing supposed “provocation” excuses that violence or somehow makes it not-abusive. I can’t say which of Heards other claims are definitely true although I personally believe her in most of them. On the kitchen video (and text messages to Bettany) that are confirmed alone - I’m happy enough to call him abusive, a misogynist and a generally extremely unpleasant individual.

I know people disagree with me but :shrug:.

[Niamh.]

Neither of them said he was violent or physical.

Ellen Barkin never felt in danger,she continued to visit him & vice Versa. Jennifer Grey still wishes him well.

Comments on Johnny Depp's character
Barkin and Depp are said to have been involved in a brief relationship in 1997 whilst filming Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Speaking about her experience with Depp, she said: "There is always an air of violence around him."

The comments are listed in the case notes for the 2020 Depp v News Group Newspapers Ltd trial, which Depp ultimately lost. "There was just this world of violence…He is a yeller. He is verbally abusive," Barkin said.

In the testimony, Barkin once again accused Depp of "a lot of yelling" before discussing the wine bottle incident. "Yes, Mr. Depp threw a wine bottle across the room, the hotel room, in one instance, in Las Vegas, while we were shooting Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," she reportedly said.

She went on to confirm that the bottle didn't hit her or anyone else.

Barkin was also asked if Depp had ever hit her, "No, he did not," she said. Barkin also confirmed that he never kicked her or physically assaulted her in any way either.

https://www.newsweek.com/lverything-ellen-barkin-johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-1705929

[user104658]

Didn’t they mention two amounts she’s liable for ?

$10 million and a separate $5 million ??


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$10 million compensatory + $5 million punitive (punitive damages capped at $350000) minus the $2 million awarded for Depp’s legal team defaming her = $8.35 million.

Happy to do the maths for you guys, unfortunately I can’t do the rest of your thinking for you.

[Niamh.]

I don’t believe that complex legal issues should be decided on by laypeople with no legal training. I don’t believe that domestic violence cases should be decided on by people with no knowledge of domestic violence, or what is normal behaviour for victims of domestic violence. I said “hillbillies” as a colourful way of saying “people who don’t know what they’re looking at and think victims must look a certain way” - something we’ve seen plenty of in this thread too.

It’s certainly not about not liking what I’ve seen/heard, although of course I don’t “like” it, as I’ve said on multiple occasions the kitchen video is all I need to stare with 100% certainty that there was behaviour from Depp that is a form of domestic abuse. That’s all I needed to see or hear because - unlike some - I don’t think any mountain of evidence showing supposed “provocation” excuses that violence or somehow makes it not-abusive. I can’t say which of Heards other claims are definitely true although I personally believe her in most of them. On the kitchen video (and text messages to Bettany) that are confirmed alone - I’m happy enough to call him abusive, a misogynist and a generally extremely unpleasant individual.

I know people disagree with me but :shrug:.

I also only heard this morning that it was Johnny Depps team that fought to have the trial televised, that says a lot about what his plan was to me, he knew very well that he's got a lot more fans than Amber, it really was the performance of his lifetime. He also knows Amber doesn't come across as very charismatic or likable

[user104658]

Well if you are gonna state such series accusations/ claims then YOU should be supplying some links or evidence... otherwise they’re just unsubstantiated wafflings


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Normally, sure, I agree if I was trying to convince people of something but at this point with this thread I know peoples opinions are set in concrete on Depp and that it would be a complete and utter waste of time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I also only heard this morning that it was Johnny Depps team that fought to have the trial televised, that says a lot about what his plan was to me, he knew very well that he's got a lot more fans than Amber, it really was the performance of his lifetime. He also knows Amber doesn't come across as very charismatic or likable

Its what every defence does

work hard for their client to win

[Niamh.]

Its what every defence does

work hard for their client to win

True enough. I think the whole thing was so distasteful though to be shown on TV like some ****ed up reality show, this shouldn't be entertainment imo

[user104658]

I also only heard this morning that it was Johnny Depps team that fought to have the trial televised, that says a lot about what his plan was to me, he knew very well that he's got a lot more fans than Amber, it really was the performance of his lifetime. He also knows Amber doesn't come across as very charismatic or likable


It was never about the money, the verdict is depressing but really all it shows is that 7 more people were duped in the same way as the millions across social media. I said to my wife when we were waiting for the verdict to prep herself for it going Depp’s way. She asked why. I said, “because the jury is just more of the same laypeople as the ones watching on YouTube, and logically they’re going to be swung in exactly the same way”.

Utterly ludicrous for a libel case to be decided by jury verdict. You might as well have asked a bunch of 5 year olds whose courtroom doodles they preferred.

He got what he wanted/she had lost within a week of the trial starting. Public shaming and humiliation. He SAID he wanted that in his own words in those text messages.

But he’s not abusive of course. It’s not like he said “I want to globally shame my ex wife” and then globally shamed his ex wife.

[LukeB]

True enough. I think the whole thing was so distasteful though to be shown on TV like some ****ed up reality show, this shouldn't be entertainment imo

Yeah it’s taken away the issue and now people are laughing and making memes of it. I’ve seen some tiktoks of people recreating Amber’s sexual assault claims which is pretty gross even if Amber was lying. I don’t think victims would want to see memes and that.

[user104658]

Its what every defence does

work hard for their client to win


The televising of the case had no bearing on the legal outcome UNLESS you believe what I said above - that the jury was influenced by social media.

It was a side-show designed to be her real punishment. Again, he said so himself, before the trial even started.

[Vanessa]

I'm glad it was televised, so everyone could watch the trial and make their own conclusions.

[Zizu]

I also only heard this morning that it was Johnny Depps team that fought to have the trial televised, that says a lot about what his plan was to me, he knew very well that he's got a lot more fans than Amber, it really was the performance of his lifetime. He also knows Amber doesn't come across as very charismatic or likable


Did his fans get to vote on the decision ?

:)


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[user104658]

Yeah it’s taken away the issue and now people are laughing and making memes of it. I’ve seen some tiktoks of people recreating Amber’s sexual assault claims which is pretty gross even if Amber was lying. I don’t think victims would want to see memes and that.


The social media is utterly toxic no matter what anyone believes about the case. The subject matter is too grim and serious for there to be teenagers making meme TikTok’s about it.

9/10 of them won’t even be that fussed about Depp in a month when the whatever the next social media craze is gets into full swing, it’s turned domestic violence allegations into light reality entertainment, which is just gross from any perspective.

[Zizu]

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[user104658]

I'm glad it was televised, so everyone could watch the trial and make their own conclusions.


Why should the world get to watch and make their own conclusions on something as deeply personal and private as abuse within a relationship?

[user104658]

The exact same could be applied to your good self and the other person defending AH though


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The exact same as what?

[Liam-]

All I’m getting from the people unhappy with the result is that women should be allowed to do whatever they want and get away with things they do, for no other reason than they’re women and it might look bad on the entire female population, that’s not how the world works folks, you get proven to have done something wrong, ‘clear and convincingly’ as this verdict form stated, you face the consequences.

And if the jury was really biased in any way, would Heard have won the one claim that she did? No, it means they looked at the evidence as a whole, objectively and came to their conclusions based on that, if they were ‘hillbillies’ and ‘hicks’ just out to get a poor innocent women, they wouldn’t have sided with her on something.

[Vanessa]

All I’m getting from the people unhappy with the result is that women should be allowed to do whatever they want and get away with things they do, for no other reason than they’re women and it might look bad on the entire female population, that’s not how the world works folks, you get proven to have done something wrong, ‘clear and convincingly’ as this verdict form stated, you face the consequences.

And if the jury was really biased in any way, would Heard have won the one claim that she did? No, it means they looked at the evidence as a whole, objectively and came to their conclusions based on that, if they were ‘hillbillies’ and ‘hicks’ just out to get a poor innocent women, they wouldn’t have sided with her on something.

Exactly. Women can be abusers as well.

[Liam-]

I also only heard this morning that it was Johnny Depps team that fought to have the trial televised, that says a lot about what his plan was to me, he knew very well that he's got a lot more fans than Amber, it really was the performance of his lifetime. He also knows Amber doesn't come across as very charismatic or likable

They did and it’s a good thing they did too, because the way the MSM has twisted the entire process of the trial, we wouldn’t not have got anywhere near to what the true story is, that’s why Heard was against it, because the media is very much still stuck in its ‘believe all women at any cost’ narrative.

But as it happens, the judge decided it would be televised because it was obviously going to have a massive spotlight on it and televising it, would greatly lighten the burden of people fighting to get into the courtroom

[Zizu]

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The exact same can be said about your good self defending AH .


At least the majority saw through her facade .


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[Niamh.]

It was never about the money, the verdict is depressing but really all it shows is that 7 more people were duped in the same way as the millions across social media. I said to my wife when we were waiting for the verdict to prep herself for it going Depp’s way. She asked why. I said, “because the jury is just more of the same laypeople as the ones watching on YouTube, and logically they’re going to be swung in exactly the same way”.

Utterly ludicrous for a libel case to be decided by jury verdict. You might as well have asked a bunch of 5 year olds whose courtroom doodles they preferred.

He got what he wanted/she had lost within a week of the trial starting. Public shaming and humiliation. He SAID he wanted that in his own words in those text messages.

But he’s not abusive of course. It’s not like he said “I want to globally shame my ex wife” and then globally shamed his ex wife.

Yeah, imo it just shows again how controlling and abusive the guy is :shrug:

Yeah it’s taken away the issue and now people are laughing and making memes of it. I’ve seen some tiktoks of people recreating Amber’s sexual assault claims which is pretty gross even if Amber was lying. I don’t think victims would want to see memes and that.

That's really sick. I don't even particularly like Amber, for me it's the hero worship of Johnny Depp that i find off putting.

[Niamh.]

The televising of the case had no bearing on the legal outcome UNLESS you believe what I said above - that the jury was influenced by social media.

It was a side-show designed to be her real punishment. Again, he said so himself, before the trial even started.

Of course they were

[Zizu]

All I’m getting from the people unhappy with the result is that women should be allowed to do whatever they want and get away with things they do, for no other reason than they’re women and it might look bad on the entire female population, that’s not how the world works folks, you get proven to have done something wrong, ‘clear and convincingly’ as this verdict form stated, you face the consequences.

And if the jury was really biased in any way, would Heard have won the one claim that she did? No, it means they looked at the evidence as a whole, objectively and came to their conclusions based on that, if they were ‘hillbillies’ and ‘hicks’ just out to get a poor innocent women, they wouldn’t have sided with her on something.


Excellent summary !


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[Niamh.]

Did his fans get to vote on the decision ?

:)


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They may as well have

[Zizu]

They may as well have


So that’s a NO then ..


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[Niamh.]

All I’m getting from the people unhappy with the result is that women should be allowed to do whatever they want and get away with things they do, for no other reason than they’re women and it might look bad on the entire female population, that’s not how the world works folks, you get proven to have done something wrong, ‘clear and convincingly’ as this verdict form stated, you face the consequences.

And if the jury was really biased in any way, would Heard have won the one claim that she did? No, it means they looked at the evidence as a whole, objectively and came to their conclusions based on that, if they were ‘hillbillies’ and ‘hicks’ just out to get a poor innocent women, they wouldn’t have sided with her on something.

How come this verdict is the correct one though? A UK court found that he was guilty of abuse :shrug:

[UserSince2005]

Disgusted by the verdict. FREE AMBER HEARD NOW!

[user104658]

All I’m getting from the people unhappy with the result is that women should be allowed to do whatever they want and get away with things they do, for no other reason than they’re women and it might look bad on the entire female population, that’s not how the world works folks, you get proven to have done something wrong, ‘clear and convincingly’ as this verdict form stated, you face the consequences.

And if the jury was really biased in any way, would Heard have won the one claim that she did? No, it means they looked at the evidence as a whole, objectively and came to their conclusions based on that, if they were ‘hillbillies’ and ‘hicks’ just out to get a poor innocent women, they wouldn’t have sided with her on something.


In my opinion, a libel case being decided on by a non-specialised jury is going to be dubious in terms of legal accuracy. In my opinion, an assessment of domestic violence made by a jury of non-specialised individuals is going to be dubious in terms of accuracy. I summed this up flippantly as “hillbillies”. My intent was to highlight that jury verdicts are far from gospel at the best of times, and when it’s something as nuanced as spousal abuse that’s even more the case. I don’t understand why the US does these trials as trial by jury and not a specialised expert court system, but that’s their business. I don’t have to put any stock at all in a decision made by some random people off the street. Random people off the street think TikToks about a domestic violence case are “good fun”.

Domestic abuse survivors should be able to speak openly about their experiences without a massive burden of proof that means they can be sued for not staying silent. She should have been well within her rights to write an OpEd about her relationship. He would have been well within his rights to write one countering what she said. That’s fair and balanced. This circus has been neither and has been detrimental to victims of abuse.

[Niamh.]

They did and it’s a good thing they did too, because the way the MSM has twisted the entire process of the trial, we wouldn’t not have got anywhere near to what the true story is, that’s why Heard was against it, because the media is very much still stuck in its ‘believe all women at any cost’ narrative.

But as it happens, the judge decided it would be televised because it was obviously going to have a massive spotlight on it and televising it, would greatly lighten the burden of people fighting to get into the courtroom

I mean if I was the victim of Domestic Abuse I wouldn't want a public trial about it, I doubt most people would, why would they?

[user104658]

They did and it’s a good thing they did too, because the way the MSM has twisted the entire process of the trial, we wouldn’t not have got anywhere near to what the true story is, that’s why Heard was against it, because the media is very much still stuck in its ‘believe all women at any cost’ narrative.

Are you trying to argue that the social media coverage of the trial - FULL of blatantly edited videos, joke memes and (confirmed) pushed by high profile MRA accounts and social media bots - is more balanced than the mainstream media reporting?? :joker: Liam you need to reset your TikTok cookies, that algorithm is serving you the Incel rhetoric HARD.

[user104658]

I mean if I was the victim of Domestic Abuse I wouldn't want a public trial about it, I doubt most people would, why would they?


Not one person willing to address the verified texts from Depp where he outright stated long before the trial that his intention was to have her publicly shamed and dragged across the coals. Blinkers firmly on for that one.

[Liam-]

How come this verdict is the correct one though? A UK court found that he was guilty of abuse :shrug:

Massive misconception, the judge found that the sun could print their story because they used Heard‘s op-ed as a source, it wasn’t a trial about his abuse, the same evidence we saw in this case from Johnny’s side wasn’t allowed, because Heard wasn’t the one being sued and the uk judge relied heavily on the premise that she had donated all of her divorce money, which we all now know was a big old lie and if you read his verdict, he doesn’t seem to believe the concept of people lying on the stand, he didn’t take into consideration any evidence that went against Heard

[user104658]

How come this verdict is the correct one though? A UK court found that he was guilty of abuse :shrug:


That one was only decided on by three experienced judges though Niamh, they didn’t have the input of Ted, Paul, Simon, Linda, Nick and Susie from Virginia who are better equipped. Linda’s brother was falsely accused once, and Nick has watched every courtroom drama there is!

[Liam-]

I mean if I was the victim of Domestic Abuse I wouldn't want a public trial about it, I doubt most people would, why would they?

Because Johnny was the victim and Heard made the world believe he was the perpetrator, when the media is on the side of his accuser, why wouldn’t he want to the world to watch and make their own minds up?

[Niamh.]

Massive misconception, the judge found that the sun could print their story because they used Heard‘s op-ed as a source, it wasn’t a trial about his abuse, the same evidence we saw in this case from Johnny’s side wasn’t allowed, because Heard wasn’t the one being sued and the uk judge relied heavily on the premise that she had donated all of her divorce money, which we all now know was a big old lie and if you read his verdict, he doesn’t seem to believe the concept of people lying on the stand, he didn’t take into consideration any evidence that went against Heard

So basically because you like this result better then?

Johnny Depp lied multiple times on the stand btw I posted an article showing 83 of those lies yesterday

[user104658]

Massive misconception, the judge found that the sun could print their story because they used Heard‘s op-ed as a source, it wasn’t a trial about his abuse, the same evidence we saw in this case from Johnny’s side wasn’t allowed, because Heard wasn’t the one being sued and the uk judge relied heavily on the premise that she had donated all of her divorce money, which we all now know was a big old lie and if you read his verdict, he doesn’t seem to believe the concept of people lying on the stand, he didn’t take into consideration any evidence that went against Heard


It was reviewed by three judges, and 12 of 14 accounts were found to be substantiated.

You should stop getting your info from Reddit Redpill.

[Niamh.]

Because Johnny was the victim and Heard made the world believe he was the perpetrator, when the media is on the side of his accuser, why wouldn’t he want to the world to watch and make their own minds up?

No he wasn't

[Liam-]

So basically because you like this result better then?

Johnny Depp lied multiple times on the stand btw I posted an article showing 83 of those lies yesterday

If that’s what you got from that, then sure, whatever makes you happy

I didn’t read it, not really interested in reading what a defender of a blatantly obvious liar thinks someone else is lying about tbh

[user104658]

Because Johnny was the victim and Heard made the world believe he was the perpetrator, when the media is on the side of his accuser, why wouldn’t he want to the world to watch and make their own minds up?


There is a video of him being the perpetrator you can watch with your own eyes (and then claim it’s not violent/abusive because he was provoked/verbal abuse and intimidation isn’t “really” abuse or whatever the MRA’s are peddling on that)

[Beso]

Yeah, imo it just shows again how controlling and abusive the guy is :shrug:



That's really sick. I don't even particularly like Amber, for me it's the hero worship of Johnny Depp that i find off putting.

Exactly....what was it he said he wanted to do to her new born babies again?

[Liam-]

No he wasn't

I know you don’t believe so, because in your world evidence doesn’t matter and only women can be victims and men are horrific, dangerous monsters

[Niamh.]

If that’s what you got from that, then sure, whatever makes you happy

I didn’t read it, not really interested in reading what a defender of a blatantly obvious liar thinks someone else is lying about tbh

Each one was verifiable but ok, whatever makes you happy I guess :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I know you don’t believe so, because in your world evidence doesn’t matter and only women can be victims and men are horrific, dangerous monsters

Not true at all but thanks for the analysis of "my world" anyway

[Beso]

In my opinion, a libel case being decided on by a non-specialised jury is going to be dubious in terms of legal accuracy. In my opinion, an assessment of domestic violence made by a jury of non-specialised individuals is going to be dubious in terms of accuracy. I summed this up flippantly as “hillbillies”. My intent was to highlight that jury verdicts are far from gospel at the best of times, and when it’s something as nuanced as spousal abuse that’s even more the case. I don’t understand why the US does these trials as trial by jury and not a specialised expert court system, but that’s their business. I don’t have to put any stock at all in a decision made by some random people off the street. Random people off the street think TikToks about a domestic violence case are “good fun”.

Domestic abuse survivors should be able to speak openly about their experiences without a massive burden of proof that means they can be sued for not staying silent. She should have been well within her rights to write an OpEd about her relationship. He would have been well within his rights to write one countering what she said. That’s fair and balanced. This circus has been neither and has been detrimental to victims of abuse.



One hundred percent agree with your last paragraph.

[user104658]

I know you don’t believe so, because in your world evidence doesn’t matter and only women can be victims and men are horrific, dangerous monsters


I think I’m starting to figure out where all of this anger towards women is rooted for you Liam, which is quite insightful because I’ve been quite confused about the support for Depp from certain people, but it’s starting to make sense. Mmhmm.

[GoldHeart]

Yes domestic abuse survivors should be able to speak out. But what about when accusations are proved to be false ???, are we meant to still believe them & ignore facts & logic just because of gender?.

[Zizu]

Not one person willing to address the verified texts from Depp where he outright stated long before the trial that his intention was to have her publicly shamed and dragged across the coals. Blinkers firmly on for that one.


He could only do that if he was being honest and had the evidence and witnesses to back him up though


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[Zizu]

If that’s what you got from that, then sure, whatever makes you happy

I didn’t read it, not really interested in reading what a defender of a blatantly obvious liar thinks someone else is lying about tbh


Exactly !


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[user104658]

Yes domestic abuse survivors should be able to speak out. But what about when accusations are proved to be false ???, are we meant to still believe them & ignore facts & logic just because of gender?.


They haven’t been “proved to be false” they just haven’t been successfully proven to be true. Extremely difficult to “prove” anything false.

Who you BELIEVE and what you BELIEVE is not important; as I said, she should have been free to speak about this relationship and he should have been free to counter that with his own version, and then people can BELIEVE whoever they want to believe.

This is about being safe to speak about it without threat of legal action. Or being deliberately shamed across the internet.

[Beso]

This is a good article...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-amber-heard-verdict-tiktok-who-won-b2091620.html

[user104658]

He could only do that if he was being honest and had the evidence and witnesses to back him up though


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What on earth would make you believe that? :umm2: people can only conduct a smear campaign if the things they’re saying are true? That’s just… clearly not the case.

[Zizu]

There is a video of him being the perpetrator you can watch with your own eyes (and then claim it’s not violent/abusive because he was provoked/verbal abuse and intimidation isn’t “really” abuse or whatever the MRA’s are peddling on that)


Awww not THAT video again .. the one where two or three of you felt that AH came out of it looking good ... but the rest of the world saw her for what she is ..


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[user104658]

Awww not THAT video again .. the one where two or three of you felt that AH came out of it looking good ... but the rest of the world saw her for what she is ..


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Yes the video that shows Johnny Depp being violent and intimidating, slamming doors, smashing objects, grabbing things and throwing out insults… that you still think was ok if his “buttons had been pushed”. Can I ask Zizu… do you behave this way if your wife “pushes your buttons”? Would you? And if not, why not?

[Liam-]

Yes domestic abuse survivors should be able to speak out. But what about when accusations are proved to be false ???, are we meant to still believe them & ignore facts & logic just because of gender?.

That’s exactly what they want people to do.

I’m a firm believer of punishment for anybody that is proven, clearly and convincingly, to have made false accusations on the levels she made, whether they be man or woman, there should be repercussions for people who wield the very serious allegations of these kinds as a weapon to further themselves or destroy somebody else.

[Beso]

Awww not THAT video again .. the one where two or three of you felt that AH came out of it looking good ... but the rest of the world saw her for what she is ..


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And what would that be?

[Niamh.]

Awww not THAT video again .. the one where two or three of you felt that AH came out of it looking good ... but the rest of the world saw her for what she is ..


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I don't think Amber came out of it looking good at all. I don't think either of them did though

ETA - The whole trial I mean. That video, I don't think Amber came out of it looking any kind of way really, Johnny Depp didn't look so good though

[Beso]

Half the world thinks amber heard should have a broken vagina cause they think she was claiming to have been abused with a broken bottle...

When what she claimed was depp bent her over a kitchen top before inserting a bottle into her.

She didnt even say repeatedly

[user104658]

That’s exactly what they want people to do.

I’m a firm believer of punishment for anybody that is proven, clearly and convincingly, to have made false accusations on the levels she made, whether they be man or woman, there should be repercussions for people who wield the very serious allegations of these kinds as a weapon to further themselves or destroy somebody else.


“Punishment for anyone proven to have made false allegations” - if your bar for that “proof” is as low as it has been for Heard, then all you’re saying is that you don’t think anyone should be able to accuse their partner of abuse. Because most people can’t prove it and in this case, a video of him being abusive was deemed “not good enough” :idc:.

Most women already don’t speak up. You’re saying you’d like even less to speak up, because if they’re not convincing enough they’ll be punished for it. It’s disgusting. Do you feel the same way about sexual assault victims? If there’s not enough evidence to charge the person they accused, the accuser should face consequences for accusing them?

I know a lot of MRA’s think that way so I’m just wondering if you’re on that same train of thought.

Though from what you’ve said previously on the thread it seems like you want some sort of “best of both” scenario where MALE victims are encouraged to speak out more, but FEMALE victims better not if they can’t prove it. Is that about right?

[GoldHeart]

Yes the video that shows Johnny Depp being violent and intimidating, slamming doors, smashing objects, grabbing things and throwing out insults… that you still think was ok if his “buttons had been pushed”. Can I ask Zizu… do you behave this way if your wife “pushes your buttons”? Would you? And if not, why not?

The only 'abuse' I saw was to the cabinets and cupboards. I don't understand how people can condone her secretly filming this meltdown , when she sent the video to one of the biggest celebrity gossip media platforms. Yet it's wrong that the trial was 'televised' ??.But their dirty laundry was already out there.

[user104658]

The only 'abuse' I saw was to the cabinets and cupboards. I don't understand how people can condone her secretly filming this meltdown , when she sent the video to one of the biggest celebrity gossip media platforms. Yet it's wrong that the trial was 'televised' ??.But their dirty laundry was already out there.


Slamming objects around and smashing glasses in an intimidating/aggressive manner is a form of domestic abuse. I know you disagree but that’s not “opinion”, at least not in this country, it’s classed as domestic violence. By domestic violence professionals, by the police, by the courts. Those are just the facts.

Domestic violence professionals also RECOMMEND that victims of such abuse try to record the abuser for evidence. They TELL them to do it, to make videos, recordings, and take pictures etc… turns out it can simply be twisted against the person recording.

Should she have sent it to the media if she did indeed do that? No, she definitely shouldn’t have, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his actions IN the video.

[rusticgal]

Yes domestic abuse survivors should be able to speak out. But what about when accusations are proved to be false ???, are we meant to still believe them & ignore facts & logic just because of gender?.


I agree...

[arista]

Disgusted by the verdict. FREE AMBER HEARD NOW!


She is Free

She won $2million.


That can go toward the $15million she has to pay the Winner
Johnny.

[LukeB]

Yeah, imo it just shows again how controlling and abusive the guy is :shrug:



That's really sick. I don't even particularly like Amber, for me it's the hero worship of Johnny Depp that i find off putting.

Same. All I’ve seen was people calling him a saint and he’s far from a saint. I wouldn’t say someone who defended Roman Polanski is a saint. He has done a lot of problematic stuff.

This trial seemed like a joke rather than serious, thanks to them who wanted it televised.

[user104658]

She is Free

She won $2million.


That can go toward the $15million she has to pay the Winner
Johnny.


$10.35 million (or $8.35 million if you take the $2 million into account). I know people are struggling with the maths though.

There will be an appeal before any of that, also.

[GoldHeart]

Slamming objects around and smashing glasses in an intimidating/aggressive manner is a form of domestic abuse. I know you disagree but that’s not “opinion”, at least not in this country, it’s classed as domestic violence. By domestic violence professionals, by the police, by the courts. Those are just the facts.

Domestic violence professionals also RECOMMEND that victims of such abuse try to record the abuser for evidence. They TELL them to do it, to make videos, recordings, and take pictures etc… turns out it can simply be twisted against the person recording.

Should she have sent it to the media if she did indeed do that? No, she definitely shouldn’t have, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his actions IN the video.

He walked straight into the kitchen on the other side and went straight for the cabinets, how is that intimidating AH?, She was not scared or concerned for that matter . She wanted attention so she kept trying to get a reaction for her little video soap.

He poured himself a glass of wine, to which she said a snarky comment like " did you drink all that " , or something to that effect. And that's when he saw her filming.

[arista]

$10.35 million (or $8.35 million if you take the $2 million into account). I know people are struggling with the maths though.

There will be an appeal before any of that, also.


Pay Up before that is better

[Beso]

Time for a musical interlude..

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[Beso]

He walked straight into the kitchen on the other side and went straight for the cabinets, how is that intimidating AH?, She was not scared or concerned for that matter . She wanted attention so she kept trying to get a reaction for her little video soap.

He poured himself a glass of wine, to which she said a snarky comment like " did you drink all that " , or something to that effect. And that's when he saw her filming.



You missed out the part of her nervously asking him what was wrong as he hurled glass after glass.