Anyone following the Amber and Johnny trial?

[Niamh.]

Same. All I’ve seen was people calling him a saint and he’s far from a saint. I wouldn’t say someone who defended Roman Polanski is a saint. He has done a lot of problematic stuff.

This trial seemed like a joke rather than serious, thanks to them who wanted it televised.

And a good buddy of Marilyn Manson, another one who has an "interesting" history with women. Some of those text messages as well, absolutely vile and not the kind of language someone who doesn't think a certain way about women would use imo, no matter how angry you were with 1 particular woman

[user104658]

Same. All I’ve seen was people calling him a saint and he’s far from a saint. I wouldn’t say someone who defended Roman Polanski is a saint. He has done a lot of problematic stuff.
.


People will simply completely ignore Depp defending his paedophile pal. It’s not pro Depp so it didn’t happen, he’s the “goodie” in this movie, not the “baddie”. We don’t talk about the good guys being friends with rapists :Nono:

[Parmy]

And a good buddy of Marilyn Manson, another one who has an "interesting" history with women. Some of those text messages as well, absolutely vile and not the kind of language someone who doesn't think a certain way about women would use imo, no matter how angry you were with 1 particular woman

Most people accepting those comments would be the first on the report button if they were written in TIBB

[user104658]

He walked straight into the kitchen on the other side and went straight for the cabinets, how is that intimidating AH?, She was not scared or concerned for that matter . She wanted attention so she kept trying to get a reaction for her little video soap.

He poured himself a glass of wine, to which she said a snarky comment like " did you drink all that " , or something to that effect. And that's when he saw her filming.


You don’t think a large drunk man kicking doors, slamming cupboards and smashing glasses is intimidating. Odd. In fact no it’s not just “odd” I flat out don’t believe that you don’t know this is intimidating behaviour.

As for the second part - someone’s wife is asking their clearly already agitated alcoholic husband if “they’re going to drink all of that” - a pint glass full of wine… in the morning… and you think that’s a “snarky comment”?

The mind boggles.

[arista]

Depp in a Newcastle pub with celeb pals - as he was going in he was getting fist pumps from blokes at the bar

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/01/21/58563969-10862287-image-a-67_1654116122982.jpg


Yes Nice of Great Guitarist
Jeff Beck
to take Johnny on tour.


Sitting next to him.


Sam Fender at the Front.

[user104658]

Most people accepting those comments would be the first on the report button if they were written in TIBB


I don’t know Parmy, they were all pretty OK with a certain man using threatening language against women in PMs “because his buttons got pushed”, if I remember rightly. Defended that **** to the hilt. He was angry, they wronged him and they had it coming etc. In fact he won an award for it, the little hero.

Starting to all slot into place a little more now.

[GoldHeart]

And a good buddy of Marilyn Manson, another one who has an "interesting" history with women. Some of those text messages as well, absolutely vile and not the kind of language someone who doesn't think a certain way about women would use imo, no matter how angry you were with 1 particular woman

I heard Kim Catrall defended Polanski . And she also worked with him I think ,I don't know what the reason is .

[Niamh.]

I heard Kim Catrall defended Polanski . And she also worked with him I think ,I don't know what the reason is .

Gross

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EZWkh-IOrk

Johnny

track
1984 Bonnie Pointer

[user104658]

I heard Kim Catrall defended Polanski . And she also worked with him I think ,I don't know what the reason is .


Well I doubt he tried to have sex with her, he was into 13 year old girls.

[GoldHeart]

Well I doubt he tried to have sex with her, he was into 13 year old girls.


No I said I don't know what the reason is for people 'defending' him, whether it's more about separating the art from the person, or whether they're scared of him .... I don't know . But I've noticed ....quite a few people don't want to get involved ,or say anything about Polanski. I wonder if when he dies ..things will change.

Salva was a convicted child molester ..who can still work in Hollywood ,and his movies still get watched by people despite very creepy hints of his perversion scattered in some of his movies. There's literally a child in one of his movies who he abused .

Weinstein also had creepy pervy warnings in some of his movies ,that only now people look at and find disturbing with the context of everything.

Hollywood is full of corruption , and they seem to love giving perverts another chance.

[user104658]

I don't know what the reason is for people 'defending' him, whether it's more about separating the art from the person, or whether they're scared of him I don't know . But I've noticed ....quite a few people don't want to get involved or say anything about Polanski. I wonder if when he dies ..things will change.


……………… I agree but I’d suggest thinking about exactly what you’ve said here and how it MIGHT also come into play with other situations.

[Parmy]

I don’t know Parmy, they were all pretty OK with a certain man using threatening language against women in PMs “because his buttons got pushed”, if I remember rightly. Defended that **** to the hilt. He was angry, they wronged him and they had it coming etc. In fact he won an award for it, the little hero.

Starting to all slot into place a little more now.



So many things just pass me bu on TIBB, I have no idea who you are on about...but I' do like a bit of gossip..

[Alf]

1532157856883015682

[GoldHeart]

Isn't Ozzy Osbourne best friends with Marilyn Manson? , I remember them being close.

[Alf]

For $15m Amber can sh!t on my bed whenever she likes.

[user104658]

For $15m Amber can sh!t on my bed whenever she likes.


$8.35 million

[GiRTh]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CeRk4W1uBTe/

[Alf]

$8.35 millionShe can do a poo on my bed for that amount too.

[user104658]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CeRk4W1uBTe/


Hard to argue with a simple statement like that. I’m sure people will manage to do that though. Bettany hit the nail on the head in his rancid texts back and forth with Depp; this was purely and simply a witch trial. She didn’t float in court. If she had she’d have been burned by the masses.

[Zizu]

He walked straight into the kitchen on the other side and went straight for the cabinets, how is that intimidating AH?, She was not scared or concerned for that matter . She wanted attention so she kept trying to get a reaction for her little video soap.

He poured himself a glass of wine, to which she said a snarky comment like " did you drink all that " , or something to that effect. And that's when he saw her filming.


Exactly


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[user104658]

Exactly


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Zizu you don’t have to repeat 20 times that you think men should be allowed to get aggressive “when provoked”. You were heard loud and clear the first time.

[Zizu]

You missed out the part of her nervously asking him what was wrong as he hurled glass after glass.


You are either be a poor judge of character or simply on the wind up maybe .

She was clearly ‘pressing his buttons’ to get a reaction .. he ignored her countless times meaning he did not want to speak or interact with her .. but she kept pecking away until she got a reaction


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[Zizu]

Zizu you don’t have to repeat 20 times that you think men should be allowed to get aggressive “when provoked”. You were heard loud and clear the first time.


Yawn


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[Crimson Dynamo]

She better start getting voice-over work to pay them court fees

[Parmy]

Exactly


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But you were all saying "we dont know what went on before the camera started rolling", yesterday..

Now today, you are all saying thats all that happened..when we can see him throwing glasses....


So no...its not EXACTLY....

[user104658]

You are either be a poor judge of character or simply on the wind up maybe .

She was clearly ‘pressing his buttons’ to get a reaction .. he ignored her countless times meaning he did not want to speak or interact with her .. but she kept pecking away until she got a reaction


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“Pecking away”

[user104658]

Yawn


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Why are you yawning? You clearly think that women should expect to be on the receiving end of male aggression if they’re “pushing buttons” or “pecking away”. That’s what you’re saying, quite openly. I strongly disagree.

I wonder if you also agreed with Sean Connery when he boldly stated in an interview that hysterical women sometimes need a little slap? I know plenty of people did.

[GoldHeart]

Like Zizu said
JD tried ignoring her ,but she wouldn't have any of it. Also she's been diagnosed with symptoms of BPD ,so that explains alot.... and there's traits of narcissism .

[GoldHeart]

Why are you yawning? You clearly think that women should expect to be on the receiving end of male aggression if they’re “pushing buttons” or “pecking away”. That’s what you’re saying, quite openly. I strongly disagree.

I wonder if you also agreed with Sean Connery when he boldly stated in an interview that hysterical women sometimes need a little slap? I know plenty of people did.

Why do you always leap ahead like that , I haven't seen anyone on here with those views.

[GiRTh]

Like Zizu said
JD tried ignoring her ,but she wouldn't have any of it. Also she's been diagnosed with symptoms of BPD ,so that explains alot.... and there's traits of narcissism .And borderline histrionic personality disorder.

[Parmy]

My pleasure

https://mobile.twitter.com/daisylandq/status/1366023242108989447

The video again....she ain't pressing no buttons.

[Parmy]

We could argue depp knew what buttons to press to trigger his bipolar wife's bipolar episodes

[user104658]

Why do you always leap ahead like that , I haven't seen anyone on here with those views.


Yea you have, on this thread. It’s the same view. “Messy women can and even should be responded to with aggression”. That’s the view in both cases.

[GoldHeart]

We could argue depp knew what buttons to press to trigger his bipolar wife's bipolar episodes

Just by him breathing,and socialising & laughing with people ...by looks of.

[user104658]

We could argue depp knew what buttons to press to trigger his bipolar wife's bipolar episodes


She hasn’t been diagnosed with any personality or mental health disorder at all, these things have been thrown around by Psychiatrists on Depp’s legal team payroll who have not made any sort of professional assessment of her AT ALL, just baseless observation and guesswork (I doubt they even believe it themselves). People on this thread are just spouting more social media rumours from the social media they “totally don’t even read”.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just by him breathing,and socialising & laughing with people ...by looks of.

how dare he

[GoldHeart]

She hasn’t been diagnosed with any personality or mental health disorder at all, these things have been thrown around by Psychiatrists on Depp’s legal team payroll who have not made any sort of professional assessment of her AT ALL, just baseless observation and guesswork (I doubt they even believe it themselves). People on this thread are just spouting more social media rumours from the social media they “totally don’t even read”.

Actually ... It was a trained doctor who took the stand , who saw the symptoms in AH .

[user104658]

Actually ... It was a trained doctor who took the stand , who saw the symptoms in AH .


That is not any sort of a mental health assessment, let alone a diagnosis. People are not diagnosed from the observations of doctors they’ve never even met :facepalm:

[GiRTh]

Actually ... It was a trained doctor who took the stand , who saw the symptoms in AH .
True but she diagnosed Heard without even speaking to her.

Her body langue however, seemed to confirm some sort of disorder. You need only rudimentary understanding of body language to see she was 'performing' on the stand.

[GoldHeart]

Yea you have, on this thread. It’s the same view. “Messy women can and even should be responded to with aggression”. That’s the view in both cases.

I have NOT seen ,anyone say it's 'ok' to physically attack women.

[user104658]

Her body langue however, seemed to confirm some sort of disorder.

What a load of unfounded, unscientific pop-psychology guff. Did you get this from a Reddit thread? Maybe you asked Judy James off BBLB?

You need only rudimentary understanding of body language to see she was 'performing' on the stand.

Are you going to genuinely claim that Depp wasn’t clowning for the peanut gallery all through his time on the stand? I mean you can try to if you’d like but you’d have to drop the pretence of having an unbiased stance on the trial.

[user104658]

I have NOT seen ,anyone say it's 'ok' to physically attack women.


You’ve seen people say it’s ok to be violent, aggressive and intimidating and you’ve ignored (three times) me pointing out that smashing objects and throwing one’s weight around is legally considered a form of domestic abuse. The “yeah but we didn’t see him actually hit her” means precisely zilch.

[Alf]

I'm so pleased and proud that I didn't watch any of this.

I'm such a brave person and deserve praise for being in a minority.

[GiRTh]

What a load of unfounded, unscientific pop-psychology guff. Did you get this from a Reddit thread?


Totally uncalled for. No need to be so rude.

Did you even see the testimony?

Depp was calm and addressed the attorney while Heard constantly made irrelevant comments directed at the jury. It was constant and stood out like a sore thumb.

What qualifications do I need to observe the stark contrast between their testimonies and make a decision on what I see?

[GiRTh]

Are you going to genuinely claim that Depp wasn’t clowning for the peanut gallery all through his time on the stand? I mean you can try to if you’d like but you’d have to drop the pretence of having an unbiased stance on the trial.Again, just a uncalled for assumption.

I'm mainly interested in the testimony. I look at social media but I make up[ my own mind. You are way more biased than I could ever be.

[user104658]

What qualifications do I need to observe the stark contrast between their testimonies and make a decision on what I see?

That’s not what you did though is it, you stated that “her body language confirmed some sort of disorder” which for one you would need a qualification to even suggest in the first place, and secondly would be a load of pop-psychology guff regardless.

Social media cattle feed is all it is. “Look! At 3 mins 57 seconds she looks slightly to the right, that means she’s lying and hates her own mum!!”

[GoldHeart]

Again, just a uncalled for assumption.

I'm mainly interested in the testimony. I look at social media but I make up[ my own mind. You are way more biased than I could ever be.

TS thinks everyone relies on social media, he doesn't realise some of us ... can think & make decisions for ourselves.

[user104658]

Again, just a uncalled for assumption.

I'm mainly interested in the testimony. I look at social media but I make up[ my own mind. You are way more biased than I could ever be.


You look at the social media and make up your own mind based on the drivel and misinformation posted there. That’s fairly standard so don’t worry about it too much.

Am I biased against the destruction of women’s right to speak out about domestic violence and against the bot/MRA army that’s turned this trial into a misogynistic circus?

Proudly, 100% yes. I’m not going to feign a position on the fence that I don’t actually hold and then become “offended” when it’s more transparent than I’d hoped.

[user104658]

TS thinks everyone relies on social media, he doesn't realise some of us ... can think & make decisions for ourselves.


I assume people are regurgitating things from social media when they’re posting the exact same unscientific fake-psychology bullcrap that’s all over social media.

[GiRTh]

That’s not what you did though is it, you stated that “her body language confirmed some sort of disorder” which for one you would need a qualification to even suggest in the first place, and secondly would be a load of pop-psychology guff regardless.

Social media cattle feed is all it is. “Look! At 3 mins 57 seconds she looks slightly to the right, that means she’s lying and hates her own mum!!”I suggested a disorder but I admit I'm not qualified to confirm.

Anyone who suggests the bit in bold would be talking nonsense. You don't need much knowledge to know that you establish a baseline then see how each deviates from their baseline. Unfortunately, to my unqualified eyes. I saw a performance from Heard and Depp seemed to be recalling events as he saw them.

[GoldHeart]

I assume people are regurgitating things from social media when they’re posting the exact same unscientific fake-psychology bullcrap that’s all over social media.

I think you follow the social media stuff more .

[user104658]

I suggested a disorder but I admit I'm not qualified to confirm.

Anyone who suggests the bit in bold would be talking nonsense. You don't need much knowledge to know that you establish a baseline then see how each deviates from their baseline. Unfortunately, to my unqualified eyes. I saw a performance from Heard and Depp seemed to be recalling events as he saw them.


Depp is a much, MUCH better actor than Heard. That part has never been in any dispute.

[GoldHeart]

I suggested a disorder but I admit I'm not qualified to confirm.

Anyone who suggests the bit in bold would be talking nonsense. You don't need much knowledge to know that you establish a baseline then see how each deviates from their baseline. Unfortunately, to my unqualified eyes. I saw a performance from Heard and Depp seemed to be recalling events as he saw them.

I actually have an interest in psychology ,and I wish I studied it.

[user104658]

I think you follow the social media stuff more .


I follow it in the sense that I’m aware of it, because being aware of it (and seeing it for what it is) is the only way to not end up being duped into believing it.

[GiRTh]

You look at the social media and make up your own mind based on the drivel and misinformation posted there. That’s fairly standard so don’t worry about it too much.

Am I biased against the destruction of women’s right to speak out about domestic violence and against the bot/MRA army that’s turned this trial into a misogynistic circus?

Proudly, 100% yes. I’m not going to feign a position on the fence that I don’t actually hold and then become “offended” when it’s more transparent than I’d hoped.
What's up man? Why all the insults? I'm shocked you think I'm so easily led. I think I come across as not easily led but each to their opinion.

We can discuss the impact of the trial at another date but I agree the case became a circus.

[GiRTh]

Depp is a much, MUCH better actor than Heard. That part has never been in any dispute.
That is not a serious comment. Their a acting ability does not come into this. Some emotions are extremely - I dont want to say impossible but - very difficult to fake

[user104658]

That is not a serious comment. Their a acting ability does not come into this. Some emotions are extremely - I dont want to say impossible but - very difficult to fake


When two people are taking the stand with differing accounts of the same events and the effect of those events, of course their acting ability comes into it. Better actors tell more convincing lies - that’s effectively what acting is.

[Niamh.]

I suggested a disorder but I admit I'm not qualified to confirm.

Anyone who suggests the bit in bold would be talking nonsense. You don't need much knowledge to know that you establish a baseline then see how each deviates from their baseline. Unfortunately, to my unqualified eyes. I saw a performance from Heard and Depp seemed to be recalling events as he saw them.

he did lie many times though, a lot of answers he gave were different to how he answered the same questioned in the UK trial (from the court transcripts of that)

PS : Long time no see, hope everything is good with you?

[GiRTh]

When two people are taking the stand with differing accounts of the same events and the effect of those events, of course their acting ability comes into it. Better actors tell more convincing lies - that’s effectively what acting is.
But some emotions are virtually impossible to fake.

Interesting that you bring up differing account. I 'd go further and say their accounts of some incidents are massively different to the point you wonder if they're talking about the same incident. You'd expect some similarities.

In such an instance I look at who is calmer, who is telling the story from first person (Depp) or who is making irrelevant comments directed at the jury then jumps ahead in the story and clearly misses bits out (Heard)

I dont need alot of qualifications to note stuff like that

[GiRTh]

he did lie many times though, a lot of answers he gave were different to how he answered the same questioned in the UK trial (from the court transcripts of that)

PS : Long time no see, hope everything is good with you?He lied many times.

PS: I'm a granddaddy now. She's called Ayla and is now 9 months old. She's a little angel.:laugh:

[Niamh.]

He lied many times.

PS: I'm a granddaddy now. She's called Ayla and is now 9 months old. She's a little angel.:laugh:

What a gorgeous name! Congratulations :love:

[Alf]

He lied many times.

PS: I'm a granddaddy now. She's called Ayla and is now 9 months old. She's a little angel.:laugh:Congratulations GiRTh.

[Liam-]

True but she diagnosed Heard without even speaking to her.

Her body langue however, seemed to confirm some sort of disorder. You need only rudimentary understanding of body language to see she was 'performing' on the stand.

Dr. Curry did evaluate her in person, Heard was ordered by court to do a mental health evaluations

[Liam-]

TS thinks everyone relies on social media, he doesn't realise some of us ... can think & make decisions for ourselves.

TS thinks he’s the smartest person on any subject he chooses to discuss and anybody who disagrees with him is an idiot

[GiRTh]

Congratulations GiRTh.
What a gorgeous name! Congratulations :love:
:love:

[Parmy]

Congrats to the proud granddaddy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Johnny Depp's taste of the Toon! Barmaid reveals Hollywood star drank 6 cans of STELLA with £14 fish and chips as he toasted $15M lawsuit win
over Amber Heard... and even quizzed staff on the city's famous Tyne Bridge


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/02/09/58585683-10877933-image-a-1_1654159088984.jpg

[GiRTh]

Congrats to the proud granddaddy.:love:

[Niamh.]

Johnny Depp's taste of the Toon! Barmaid reveals Hollywood star drank 6 cans of STELLA with £14 fish and chips as he toasted $15M lawsuit win
over Amber Heard... and even quizzed staff on the city's famous Tyne Bridge


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/02/09/58585683-10877933-image-a-1_1654159088984.jpg

He's still drinking then? I thought he was sober now?

[user104658]

And if there’s anything that screams “no more alcohol problems” it’s six cans of Stella with your dinner.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's still drinking then? I thought he was sober now?

he was all the day before he arrived

[user104658]

TS thinks he’s the smartest person on any subject he chooses to discuss and anybody who disagrees with him is an idiot


That’s not true Liam, you know LOADS more than me about knuckle dragging mens rights activism for example.

[Niamh.]

he was all the day before he arrived

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Meanwhile back in the states Amber had some humble pie washed down with some sour grape juice

:hehe:

[Niamh.]

Meanwhile back in the states Amber had some humble pie washed down with some sour grape juice

:hehe:

All non alcoholic :hee:

[Parmy]

Johnny Depp's taste of the Toon! Barmaid reveals Hollywood star drank 6 cans of STELLA with £14 fish and chips as he toasted $15M lawsuit win
over Amber Heard... and even quizzed staff on the city's famous Tyne Bridge


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/02/09/58585683-10877933-image-a-1_1654159088984.jpg




Not six cans of the old wife beater...didnt anyone tell him!

[bots]

the gigging rock band scene is exactly up Depp's street. He can get out of his mind on drink and drugs and trash hotels all he likes .... it's rock n roll mate

[user104658]

the gigging rock band scene is exactly up Depp's street. He can get out of his mind on drink and drugs and trash hotels all he likes .... it's rock n roll mate


A pity he was reportedly a **** guitar player even before he cut his finger off.

[Zizu]

The video again....she ain't pressing no buttons.


Not literally ..


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[Zizu]

She better start getting voice-over work to pay them court fees


There will be very few takers given her pathetic performances at the stand


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[Zizu]

Why are you yawning? You clearly think that women should expect to be on the receiving end of male aggression if they’re “pushing buttons” or “pecking away”. That’s what you’re saying, quite openly. I strongly disagree.

I wonder if you also agreed with Sean Connery when he boldly stated in an interview that hysterical women sometimes need a little slap? I know plenty of people did.


I have no idea where you get all these befuddled notions from


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[Zizu]

You’ve seen people say it’s ok to be violent, aggressive and intimidating and you’ve ignored (three times) me pointing out that smashing objects and throwing one’s weight around is legally considered a form of domestic abuse. The “yeah but we didn’t see him actually hit her” means precisely zilch.


Errrr. No we haven’t !
That’s pure fantasy


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[Zizu]

I look at social media but I make up[ my own mind. You are way more biased than I could ever be.

Clearly not given the stuff and nonsense you’ve posted over the last few days


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[GiRTh]

A pity he was reportedly a **** guitar player even before he cut his finger off.
Interesting point. Glad you raised it. Heard claimed he cut it off himself but didn't go into much detail. Claimed she was a bit out of it and cant fully remember.

No way would a musician, never mind a guitarist cut of his own finger. Its just not believable no matter what state he was in. He would have to use his less dominant hand to cut off the finger on his dominant hand. Its not believable..

[GiRTh]

Clearly not given the stuff and nonsense you’ve posted over the last few days


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You mean yesterday? Like what?

[Parmy]

Interesting point. Glad you raised it. Heard claimed he cut it off himself but didn't go into much detail. Claimed she was a bit out of it and cant fully remember.

No way would a musician, never mind a guitarist cut of his own finger. Its just not believable no matter what state he was in. He would have to use his less dominant hand to cut off the finger on his dominant hand. Its not believable..



I dont think she said that he meant to cut it off, just that he cut it off.

[GiRTh]

I dont think she said that he meant to cut it off, just that he cut it off.She has said it but not under oath.

[user104658]

Interesting point. Glad you raised it. Heard claimed he cut it off himself but didn't go into much detail. Claimed she was a bit out of it and cant fully remember.

No way would a musician, never mind a guitarist cut of his own finger. Its just not believable no matter what state he was in. He would have to use his less dominant hand to cut off the finger on his dominant hand. Its not believable..


She (and in turn, I) never said he cut it off on purpose. That lie (along with the reasoning for why it must be a lie) was another piece of misinformation frequently peddled on Social Media to undermine what she was saying though. Funny that. So many people coincidentally getting the wrong ends of the same sticks without being led into it :think:. A mystery wrapped in an enigma.

As I said earlier in the thread I think the most likely explanation (given the kitchen video) was that he was smashing glasses and bottles (like in the kitchen video) and slamming his hands on objects in anger (like in the kitchen video) and in the process, slammed his finger onto an upturned piece of broken glass and severed it. Pure peculation of course, but given that we know the above mentioned behaviours to be things that he did (thanks to the kitchen video) it makes a fair bit more sense to me than his fingertip being cleanly severed on the bone by a flying bottle.

Full truth on it though? I’d bet that they were both off their faces and in chaos and neither of them have a ****ing clue how he lost the finger.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh going off the evidence the correct verdict was given.

The people defending Amber Heard because of the believe all women argument would ironically have let an abuser off the hook just because the abuser was a woman.

In these domestic abuse cases it's best to always follow the evidence rather than political agendas, or who's your favourite actor.

I'm glad that the circus is over now anyway as it felt more like a Big Brother eviction than a defamation trial.:joker:

[user104658]

You mean yesterday? Like what?


I think he thought he was quoting me. Poor Zizu has become confused. Maybe he’s frustrated. I hope no one has pushed his buttons? Might understandably kick off and start trashing his kitchen :worry:. What else is a fellow to do?

[user104658]

Tbh going off the evidence the correct verdict was given.

The people defending Amber Heard because of the believe all women argument would ironically have let an abuser off the hook just because the abuser was a woman.

In these domestic abuse cases it's best to always follow the evidence rather than political agendas, or who's your favourite actor.

I'm glad that the circus is over now anyway as it felt more like a Big Brother eviction than a defamation trial.:joker:


Do you mean evidence like the video of Johnny Depp being abusive? There was next to no solid evidence for either of them. That video was one of the only pieces of physical evidence. The rest was down to their own testimony and witness statements so purely down to who was more convincing - not “the evidence” at all.

[user104658]

This was not a criminal trial by the way - “let an abuser off the hook”? Amber Heard has not been found guilty of abusing Johnny Depp, no matter what the zeitgeist is feeding you. The verdict even if taken as correct says she committed libel by accusing HIM of domestic abuse. It says NOTHING AT ALL about any accusations against her.

[GiRTh]

She (and in turn, I) never said he cut it off on purpose. That lie (along with the reasoning for why it must be a lie) was another piece of misinformation frequently peddled on Social Media to undermine what she was saying though. Funny that. So many people coincidentally getting the wrong ends of the same sticks without being led into it :think:. A mystery wrapped in an enigma.

As I said earlier in the thread I think the most likely explanation (given the kitchen video) was that he was smashing glasses and bottles (like in the kitchen video) and slamming his hands on objects in anger (like in the kitchen video) and in the process, slammed his finger onto an upturned piece of broken glass and severed it. Pure peculation of course, but given that we know the above mentioned behaviours to be things that he did (thanks to the kitchen video) it makes a fair bit more sense to me than his fingertip being cleanly severed on the bone by a flying bottle.

Full truth on it though? I’d bet that they were both off their faces and in chaos and neither of them have a ****ing clue how he lost the finger.The story is out there. I've seen it in the independent. You keep blaming social media but there are a few claims made about Depp that have been unsubstantiated. Heard too.

The Vodka bottle story is far fetched but I point to what I said earlier. When he tells the story he tells it well and is convincing. He looks down to motion where Heard was standing when she flung the bottle. He always illustrates the first bottle flying past his head with his hand and makes that noise - Whoosh - every single time. He's consistent.

Even little details like he says the bottle smashed behind him, not smashed 'on the wall behind' because if he's living this in first person from his point of view, at that moment he didn't know what it smashed on.

Maybe he''s told the story so many times that he's nailed it but if its all a lie, little embellishments like the noise the bottle made as it passed his head would have gone the third of fourth time he told it. He seems to be telling the story as he remembers it.

[GiRTh]

One more thing, when Depp explains how the 2nd bottle exploded like Vesuvius/lava - I've seen him say both - He's clearly exaggerating.

[user104658]

The story is out there. I've seen it in the independent. You keep blaming social media but there are a few claims made about Depp that have been unsubstantiated. Heard too.

The Vodka bottle story is far fetched but I point to what I said earlier. When he tells the story he tells it well and is convincing. He looks down to motion where Heard was standing when she flung the bottle. He always illustrates the first bottle flying past his head with his hand and makes that noise - Whoosh - every single time. He's consistent.

Even little details like he says the bottle smashed behind him, not smashed 'on the wall behind' because if he's living this in first person from his point of view, at that moment he didn't know what it smashed on.

Maybe he''s told the story so many times that he's nailed it but if its all a lie, little embellishments like the noise the bottle made as it passed his head would have gone the third of fourth time he told it. He seems to be telling the story as he remembers it.


We disagree again; a story being identical every time it’s told is indicative of it being rehearsed. A better (still not perfect) way to pick out a memory from a rehearsed lie is for the pertinent details of the story to always remain consistent, but for the way the story is told to CHANGE, indicating that the person is wording it as it comes to mind but still explaining the details consistently. If the wording is always the same, the wording isn’t being generated in the moment from the memory. That “whoosh” and always using the same gestures tells me the exact opposite of what it tells you. He’s memorised a script for his version of events.

[user104658]

Here’s another counter, though I’d suggest not testing it out:

Consider how fast a bottle would have to be moving to make a literal whooshing sound as it passes your head. Is his story that she fired it out of a cannon?

[Zizu]

When two people are taking the stand with differing accounts of the same events and the effect of those events, of course their acting ability comes into it


Plus the little matter of evidence and witness statements ..neither seem to be in the remotest bit important to you


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[AnnieK]

The story is out there. I've seen it in the independent. You keep blaming social media but there are a few claims made about Depp that have been unsubstantiated. Heard too.

The Vodka bottle story is far fetched but I point to what I said earlier. When he tells the story he tells it well and is convincing. He looks down to motion where Heard was standing when she flung the bottle. He always illustrates the first bottle flying past his head with his hand and makes that noise - Whoosh - every single time. He's consistent.

Even little details like he says the bottle smashed behind him, not smashed 'on the wall behind' because if he's living this in first person from his point of view, at that moment he didn't know what it smashed on.

Maybe he''s told the story so many times that he's nailed it but if its all a lie, little embellishments like the noise the bottle made as it passed his head would have gone the third of fourth time he told it. He seems to be telling the story as he remembers it.

Its almost like he's used to learning lines verbatim and being able to recite them whilst acting out the scene so the audience lives it with him. He should be an actor......wait...

[GiRTh]

We disagree again; a story being identical every time it’s told is indicative of it being rehearsed. A better (still not perfect) way to pick out a memory from a rehearsed lie is for the pertinent details of the story to always remain consistent, but for the way the story is told to CHANGE, indicating that the person is wording it as it comes to mind but still explaining the details consistently. If the wording is always the same, the wording isn’t being generated in the moment from the memory. That “whoosh” and always using the same gestures tells me the exact opposite of what it tells you. He’s memorised a script for his version of events.That's quite a leap. A story told the same way every time must be a lie.

You ignore his baseline and his illustrators and go for gut feeling because he's a good actor.

[GiRTh]

Here’s another counter, though I’d suggest not testing it out:

Consider how fast a bottle would have to be moving to make a literal whooshing sound as it passes your head. Is his story that she fired it out of a cannon?The whoosh is an illustrator. I dont see the point you're making

EDIT:I think we're talking at cross purposes. I'm talking about illustrators ie the tools we use to tell a story. Some people call it talking with your hands. You seem to be talking literally. Of course the bottle didn't go whoosh. Its an illustrator

[Zizu]

This was not a criminal trial by the way - “let an abuser off the hook”? Amber Heard has not been found guilty of abusing Johnny Depp, no matter what the zeitgeist is feeding you. The verdict even if taken as correct says she committed libel by accusing HIM of domestic abuse. It says NOTHING AT ALL about any accusations against her.


I’d accuse of gold digging, bare faced lying , ridiculously poor acting and I’d also suggest that she has , single handedly , damaged the # Me Too movement tremendously by her ridiculous lies , exaggerations and accusations .


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[arista]

He's still drinking then? I thought he was sober now?



Only a few.
After working at a Cool Gig
with Jeff Beck Band
who has a Great Female Drummer

[Niamh.]

Only a few.
After working at a Cool Gig
with Jeff Beck Band
who has a Great Female Drummer

I'm sure that's how it works if you're an alcoholic

[arista]

I'm sure that's how it works if you're an alcoholic



Harsh on him.

[AnnieK]

This article pretty much sums it all up. #Metoo has been irreparably ruined and women now have considerably less freedom of speech when it comes to abuse. It harks back to the days when the police would tell women they couldn't do anything to stop abuse until we were beaten black and blue. Sad times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/01/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial-metoo-backlash

[AnnieK]

Harsh on him.

How it harsh? He is not clean and sober...how long till the mask slips again and someone else sees the "monster" (his words) within?

[arista]

How it harsh? He is not clean and sober...how long till the mask slips again and someone else sees the "monster" (his words) within?




He won the Case.


Likewise, he is a Professional Actor
and sometimes a Musician/Singer

[Crimson Dynamo]

This article pretty much sums it all up. #Metoo has been irreparably ruined and women now have considerably less freedom of speech when it comes to abuse. It harks back to the days when the police would tell women they couldn't do anything to stop abuse until we were beaten black and blue. Sad times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/01/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial-metoo-backlash

what is sad about justice in action?

[Liam-]

Lies aren’t protected by freedom of speech, let’s all remember that shall we

[AnnieK]

He won the Case.


Likewise, he is a Professional Actor
and sometimes a Musician/Singer

And? He's not sober if he's downing 6 cans of stella

[user104658]

The whoosh is an illustrator. I dont see the point you're making

EDIT:I think we're talking at cross purposes. I'm talking about illustrators ie the tools we use to tell a story. Some people call it talking with your hands. You seem to be talking literally. Of course the bottle didn't go whoosh. Its an illustrator


You’re talking about illustrators that would be used, for example, by people giving a lecture or a talk for an audience?

Which would be rehearsed?

[Liam-]

The response to the verdict is very telling though, that people who have had malicious lies told about them, shouldn’t do anything to clear their name and just sit back and allow it to happen, because it does too much damage to women to prove a woman has lied about you, scary times to live in.

Giving big ‘man up and take one for the team’ energy

[GiRTh]

You’re talking about illustrators that would be used, for example, by people giving a lecture or a talk for an audience?

Which would be rehearsed?True but remember Heard should have been prepped and rehearsed too. Heards illustrators are all over the place. Hence why Depp is more believable.

Its not absolute but we can say with a some certainty that Depp is reaching into himself to find how to describe the story, rehearsed or not, while Heard is completely directionless and seem to use inappropriate expressions to convey disgust/anger. Expressions that are not consistent with her baseline. Indicating distress or possible deception.

[user104658]

All the TiBB MRA’s suddenly crawling out of the woodwork now that there’s a verdict is really something to behold. Shameful. Unsurprising, but shameful.

Any one with half an ounce of awareness knows at the very least that Johnny Depp is an aggressive drunk (you’ve seen the videos) and has a history of violence (documented assaults and fights when he’s been drinking) and that it’s very, very likely there was violence in their relationship. It’s a proven fact that there was aggression and verbal abuse. So I can only assume the people out puffing trumpets for him have some reason to be doing so. Sad littlemen who felt “threatened” by important things like MeToo and have been sobbing “not all men” into their pillow for a couple of years, desperate for something like this to latch onto.

Well congratulations, here it is, you did it, Johnny Depp has arrived with his six cans of Stella; messiah of the MRA backlash. You did it guys. Yay!

[user104658]

True but remember Heard should have been prepped and rehearsed too. Heards illustrators are all over the place. Hence why Depp is more believable.

Its not absolute but we can say with a some certainty that Depp is reaching into himself to find how to describe the story, rehearsed or not, while Heard is completely directionless and seem to use inappropriate expressions to convey disgust/anger. Expressions that are not consistent with her baseline. Indicating distress or possible deception.


I’m just going to say again that this is the sort of pop psychology you get on reality TV shows - it’s absolute rot. Utter claptrap that so-called “body language experts” peddle. Snake oil. You can’t tell who is telling the truth from these sort of indicators, they mean literally nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ben going live on this in 7 minutes

AGZ_6kLsKhQ

[user104658]

Hey look Liam, you’re on Ben Shapiro’s side. [emoji1782] an ally king

[GiRTh]

I’m just going to say again that this is the sort of pop psychology you get on reality TV shows - it’s absolute rot. Utter claptrap that so-called “body language experts” peddle. Snake oil. You can’t tell who is telling the truth from these sort of indicators, they mean literally nothing.I'd disagree.

I get the impression that you didn't see much of the testimony. Some of this stuff is obvious and occurs to you ass you're watching. So the pop-psychology rant is way off the mark.

Its OK to be angry about what this case will do to MeToo but in terms of the testimony, Heard was awful.

I'm actually surprised Depp won so emphatically. Actual Malice is almost impossible to prove but the jury saw all the testimony and some of it was awful for Heard.

[Zizu]

This article pretty much sums it all up. #Metoo has been irreparably ruined and women now have considerably less freedom of speech when it comes to abuse. It harks back to the days when the police would tell women they couldn't do anything to stop abuse until we were beaten black and blue. Sad times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/01/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial-metoo-backlash


All due to her crazy lies and crying Wolf ?


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[arista]

"I'm actually surprised Depp won so emphatically."

GiRTh

A USA Lady Reporter said Amber did not Cry proper,
that affected the whole case..........................

[user104658]

I'd disagree.

I get the impression that you didn't see much of the testimony. Some of this stuff is obvious and occurs to you ass you're watching. So the pop-psychology rant is way off the mark.

Its OK to be angry about what this case will do to MeToo but in terms of the testimony, Heard was awful.

I'm actually surprised Depp won so emphatically. Actual Malice is almost impossible to prove but the jury saw all the testimony and some of it was awful for Heard.

I saw pretty much all of it. I guess the difference is that I do have qualifications, and my wife has high level qualifications, so I can see through someone who happens to be a good orator vs someone who is unfortunately messy. A trial like this should never be decided on who put on the better show and that’s why a domestic violence case should not be decided by a layperson jury - but that’s the US for you. Abusers are often charismatic. Victims are often disorganised. Juries are often duped. Most abusers never face consequences, as a statistical fact.

[Zizu]

I saw pretty much all of it. I guess the difference is that I do have qualifications, and my wife has high level qualifications, so I can see through someone who happens to be a good orator vs someone who is unfortunately messy. A trial like this should never be decided on who put on the better show and that’s why a domestic violence case should not be decided by a layperson jury - but that’s the US for you. Abusers are often charismatic. Victims are often disorganised. Juries are often duped. Most abusers never face consequences, as a statistical fact.


Yeah if only Depp had some witnesses to corroborate his side of things ... and if only AH had at least ONE decent witness to back her up ..

We won’t count her sister ;)


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[Parmy]

Here’s another counter, though I’d suggest not testing it out:

Consider how fast a bottle would have to be moving to make a literal whooshing sound as it passes your head. Is his story that she fired it out of a cannon?

This was my first thought as well.:joker:

[user104658]

Yeah if only Depp had some witnesses to corroborate his side of things ... and if only AH had at least ONE decent witness to back her up ..

We won’t count her sister ;)


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There are no first hand witnesses (nor are there any suggested first hand witnesses) to any of the actual alleged incidents of violence because, as with most domestic abuse, the violence happens when they’re alone. All of Depp’s witnesses were to circumstantial things, or payroll expert witnesses (part of his legal team).

Did you imagine there would be witnesses to say “oh yes I saw him being abusive all the time”? Who would have seen that?

[GiRTh]

I saw pretty much all of it. I guess the difference is that I do have qualifications, and my wife has high level qualifications, so I can see through someone who happens to be a good orator vs someone who is unfortunately messy. A trial like this should never be decided on who put on the better show and that’s why a domestic violence case should not be decided by a layperson jury - but that’s the US for you. Abusers are often charismatic. Victims are often disorganised. Juries are often duped. Most abusers never face consequences, as a statistical fact.You saw the whole thing and this is your summary. :conf:

You're talking in very broad terms about abuse cases. I'd have thought, if you'd seen the whole thing, you'd have seen some nuance in this case because there was plenty.

I don't know why you're quoting your qualifications, you're on a Big Brother forum. I have high level qualifications too and work for the ministry of Justice. What does that say about me...nothing.

As for
Abusers are often charismatic. Victims are often disorganised.
This statement is so broad I'm unsure why you would even post it.

[Parmy]

The response to the verdict is very telling though, that people who have had malicious lies told about them, shouldn’t do anything to clear their name and just sit back and allow it to happen, because it does too much damage to women to prove a woman has lied about you, scary times to live in.

Giving big ‘man up and take one for the team’ energy



The biggest outcome of all this is the fact that men are free to verbally threaten, mentally torture and control and posses their partners.....just dont hit them though guys and everything will be ok.

[Parmy]

True but remember Heard should have been prepped and rehearsed too. Heards illustrators are all over the place. Hence why Depp is more believable.

Its not absolute but we can say with a some certainty that Depp is reaching into himself to find how to describe the story, rehearsed or not, while Heard is completely directionless and seem to use inappropriate expressions to convey disgust/anger. Expressions that are not consistent with her baseline. Indicating distress or possible deception.

All that says to me is the abuse against her effected her to an extent it would make her panic when giving evidence in fron tof millions, whilst the abuse of depp simply didnt really register enough for it to bother him.

[user104658]

You saw the whole thing and this is your summary. :conf:

You're talking in very broad terms about abuse cases. I'd have thought, if you'd seen the whole thing, you'd have seen some nuance in this case because there was plenty.

There’s a tonne of needless nuance that has no bearing at all on her claim that she’s a survivor of an abusive relationship. The video in the kitchen shows an abusive relationship, the rest of the nuance is simply people rallying to justify abusive behaviour.

I don't know why you're quoting your qualifications, you're on a Big Brother forum. I have high level qualifications too and work for the ministry of Justice. What does that say about me...nothing.

Indeed hence why I generally don’t and haven’t at all in this thread but it’s relevant to what you were talking about.



This statement is so broad I'm unsure why you would even post it.
Again because it’s directly in response to your ridiculous notion that the “person who comes across better” (is more charismatic or a better public speaker) is in any way therefore likely to be the one telling the truth. They are far more likely to be able to convince people that they’re telling the truth. Which is something completely different.

[GiRTh]

All that says to me is the abuse against her effected her to an extent it would make her panic when giving evidence in fron tof millions, whilst the abuse of depp simply didnt really register enough for it to bother him.
I agree with this.

However, the first deposition Heard was angry and quite arrogant. Not much distress or panic in the first deposition

[Parmy]

Yeah if only Depp had some witnesses to corroborate his side of things ... and if only AH had at least ONE decent witness to back her up ..

We won’t count her sister ;)


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She had another 6 ex friends who no longer keep in touch with amber who came forward to testify for her.

[user104658]

All that says to me is the abuse against her effected her to an extent it would make her panic when giving evidence in fron tof millions, whilst the abuse of depp simply didnt really register enough for it to bother him.


Depp wasn’t taking any of it seriously enough to even bother staying in the country for the result - his aim (his STATED aim, in texts to Paul Bettany) was to shame and humiliate her and he achieved that weeks ago.

[user104658]

I agree with this.

However, the first deposition Heard was angry and quite arrogant. Not much distress or panic in the first deposition


What do you know of the presentation of domestic violence victims? Because anger and arrogance (I’d call it defiance but you might describe it as arrogance) are both very common. In all victims of abuse, actually. You should read up on “the perfect victim” and the myth that there’s a certain way victims act. Heard “not crying convincingly enough” comes under that one as well.

[GiRTh]

There’s a tonne of needless nuance that has no bearing at all on her claim that she’s a survivor of an abusive relationship. The video in the kitchen shows an abusive relationship, the rest of the nuance is simply people rallying to justify abusive behaviour.Id agree. It became a circus.


Indeed hence why I generally don’t and haven’t at all in this thread but it’s relevant to what you were talking about.OK if you say so.


Again because it’s directly in response to your ridiculous notion that the “person who comes across better” (is more charismatic or a better public speaker) is in any way therefore likely to be the one telling the truth. They are far more likely to be able to convince people that they’re telling the truth. Which is something completely different.That's not what I said. So the quote is actually an inaccurate summary of my posts. After looking directly at someone's face while they give testimony for over an hour. The face doesn't lie no matter how good an actor someone is. Its about consistency. Even in interviews and previous depositions Depp is consistent, Heard isnt.

[Parmy]

I agree with this.

However, the first deposition Heard was angry and quite arrogant. Not much distress or panic in the first deposition

I didnt find her arrogant, I found her defensive, yet confident at times. She was defensive when attacked, but confident with a touch of panic when reliving her ordeals.

I just think she got resting bitch face which makes her look angry as well.

[GiRTh]

What do you know of the presentation of domestic violence victims? Because anger and arrogance (I’d call it defiance but you might describe it as arrogance) are both very common. In all victims of abuse, actually. You should read up on “the perfect victim” and the myth that there’s a certain way victims act. Heard “not crying convincingly enough” comes under that one as well.What about the smiling in the first deposition.

No doubt you have more qualifications than me in this area but you have to admit Heard is not consistent.

[Zizu]

She had another 6 ex friends who no longer keep in touch with amber who came forward to testify for her.


Ex ...


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[GiRTh]

What about the eating in the first deposition. I know from my own persona experience that when you're feeling stressed the appetite is the first thing to go.

[Parmy]

Depp wasn’t taking any of it seriously enough to even bother staying in the country for the result - his aim (his STATED aim, in texts to Paul Bettany) was to shame and humiliate her and he achieved that weeks ago.


Yes, his ex lawyers fingers must ache from tic toc posting...nasty man, glad it cost him 2 million for that. But considering she wanted 100 mill, its paltry sum...and a paltry percentage compared to depps monetary payout..loss of earnings, earnings from what..he was being dropped as jack sparrow before the op ed.

[GiRTh]

I didnt find her arrogant, I found her defensive, yet confident at times. She was defensive when attacked, but confident with a touch of panic when reliving her ordeals.

I just think she got resting bitch face which makes her look angry as well.In the first deposition, there was one point where her attorney made an objection. She gives a little smirk after. Her expressions are inappropriate at times.

[Parmy]

Ex ...


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Yes, ex friends....ones who had no reasons through loyalty to tell their version on her behalf.

[ThomasC]

Yes he pretends that he didn't hit his wife when he was drunk.

Evidence?

Johnny Wins

Yes, justice has been served

Well I can't argue with you there.

This outcome has been inevitable for weeks; a tragic day for all women and especially victims of domestic abuse, who have had their ability to speak up knocked back by decades. All the work of #MeToo undone by a jury of hicks.

Congratulations I guess? :shrug:

Perched for his upcoming assault trial. Shall we all be watching that one?

All women? See this is what's wrong, so wrong. Men experience DV too! This might make more men speak up without feeling like they won't be believes.

Femism gone way too far and men just overlooked massively.


He's back in court on assault charges soon Vanessa. Will you be tuning in? #JusticeForJohnny :hee:

Have you got anything to say about Amber's counter-lawsuit also being successfully upheld? You've been oddly quiet on that :think:

One part was successfully upheld and that wasn't Johnny but his lawyer.

I agree with the sentiment of this but I don't think the jury put the #MeToo movement but Miss Heard's lack of evidence, poor sometimes histrionic performance on the stand and her recollection of incidents that conflict with even her own sister. Maybe the trauma of reliving the incidents made her testimony so not believable but some of the inconsistencies in her stories stick out like a beacon.

Its clear this was a toxic relationship but who was the aggressor? Both teams make a distinction between hitting and other forms of physical abuse that I'm not sure should be made. Mr Depp vehemently denies ever 'striking' Miss Heard ,as he puts it, but he admits there was an incident where he was - as he puts it - had his hands on her shoulders and was trying to get her to stay on the bed. Clearly he's put his hands on her in an aggressive manner so I dont agree with the distinction.

There were incidents that it seem Miss Heard made up and the way their is stories differ so starkly regarding the same incidents is laughable at times. Where as Depp is calm and almost going into too much details, Heard clearly skips thru and misses out parts of recollection of event. We odnt know if its the trauma of reliving but she was unconvincing and a bit snarky in her testimony

We don't know anything other than this was toxic relation ship and these two need to stay the hell away from each other. MeeToo has definitely been put back but I don't think Mr Depp had much to do with it, frankly

You are a breath of fresh air

It's not about whose fault it is or what the intent was - the fact that one of the most high-profile trials on history (which is insane in the first place) has resulted in someone being successfully sued for millions of dollars for writing about an experience of abuse effectively means that any and every abuse victim is going to now think twice (thrice, and four times over) about coming forward. It's an absolute catastrophe for abuse victims. Even people who believe Depp should understand that, and stop "celebrating". It's completely inappropriate given what this was about.

So yeah just let people make false accusations instead?



All but inevitable. Her libel case against him was upheld as well (I'm going to keep repeating this as it's being conveniently brushed under the carpet - they both won their respective cases)...

There's a reason his team chose Virginia. Notorious for upholding libel claims.

No they did not. She won one. She won 2 million not the 100 million. Don't spread lies


That's clearly not what I'm saying. You first mentioned MeToo anmd it was the MeToo coment that I replied to

Miss Heard was someone who visibly backed the MeToo movement and to then clearly make up allegations is not the same as saying as what you're saying. She was a major player, you cannot deny.

The fact we are looking at a woman is clearly not what I'm, saying. Are you aware that Miss Heard accused her previous partner - a bi woman of abuse too? Her previous partner also denies it. and says it was the other way round. Amber Heard is a piece of work. Thats all I'm saying

Agreed


You're a bit late to the thread to be spamming the same regurgitated Twitter/TikTok bull**** we’ve been chewing over for weeks I’m afraid. You forgot to call her “Amber Turd” for extra chuckles.

Why so rude?

And I hope this inspires more male domestic abuse victims to come forward with their stories too, the stigma of being a male victim needs to be eradicated and hopefully this is just the start of that happening

Yeah this is what angers me. I hope it does because men are just expected to put up with **** and it's all about women and feminism

I’ve seen the full video and whoever released it is irrelevant, his actions in that video constitute a form of domestic violence regardless of the circumstances or supposed “provocation”.

If you disagree that his behaviour in that video constitutes domestic violence we have very little to talk about, because I fundamentally disagree.

You do know that the article was saying sexual violence. You won't shut up about that video which we discussed for many a page


Justice has been served...

I've enjoyed the thread.

Onwards and upwards for the battered women of the world.

Yes justice has been served that you can't make up flase allegations and think you're going to get away with it.

No no GoldHeart, she won the defamation case against Depp and his lawyer in THIS trial that you have apparently been watching; they each had a claim against each other. He won his claim, and she won her claim. Did you perhaps turn it off after hearing only half of the verdict?

Incorrect. She won one part of her claim.

What I mean is, every battered woman who has actually been battered, will now feel less empowered to come forward about being battered because of amber heards lies.


Justice has been served.

I have read so many stories of survivors of DV who have supported Johnny. I'm not so sure they will, I think it will make those who are thinking about making false accusations to think twice and that men can experience domestic violence too and do something about it!!!

Didn’t they mention two amounts she’s liable for ?

$10 million and a separate $5 million ??


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10 million comp, 5 punitive...then deduct Virginia cap..

Amber 2 million def for the waldren statements only

I don’t believe that complex legal issues should be decided on by laypeople with no legal training. I don’t believe that domestic violence cases should be decided on by people with no knowledge of domestic violence, or what is normal behaviour for victims of domestic violence. I said “hillbillies” as a colourful way of saying “people who don’t know what they’re looking at and think victims must look a certain way” - something we’ve seen plenty of in this thread too.

It’s certainly not about not liking what I’ve seen/heard, although of course I don’t “like” it, as I’ve said on multiple occasions the kitchen video is all I need to stare with 100% certainty that there was behaviour from Depp that is a form of domestic abuse. That’s all I needed to see or hear because - unlike some - I don’t think any mountain of evidence showing supposed “provocation” excuses that violence or somehow makes it not-abusive. I can’t say which of Heards other claims are definitely true although I personally believe her in most of them. On the kitchen video (and text messages to Bettany) that are confirmed alone - I’m happy enough to call him abusive, a misogynist and a generally extremely unpleasant individual.

I know people disagree with me but :shrug:.

The op ed wasn't just about domestic abuse, sexual violence was also mentioned

All I’m getting from the people unhappy with the result is that women should be allowed to do whatever they want and get away with things they do, for no other reason than they’re women and it might look bad on the entire female population, that’s not how the world works folks, you get proven to have done something wrong, ‘clear and convincingly’ as this verdict form stated, you face the consequences.

And if the jury was really biased in any way, would Heard have won the one claim that she did? No, it means they looked at the evidence as a whole, objectively and came to their conclusions based on that, if they were ‘hillbillies’ and ‘hicks’ just out to get a poor innocent women, they wouldn’t have sided with her on something.

Agreed.

Exactly. Women can be abusers as well.

Yes most definitely

They haven’t been “proved to be false” they just haven’t been successfully proven to be true. Extremely difficult to “prove” anything false.

Who you BELIEVE and what you BELIEVE is not important; as I said, she should have been free to speak about this relationship and he should have been free to counter that with his own version, and then people can BELIEVE whoever they want to believe.

This is about being safe to speak about it without threat of legal action. Or being deliberately shamed across the internet.

Well you better make sure that you're not lying because if you are about such serious allegations then expect legal action

$10.35 million (or $8.35 million if you take the $2 million into account). I know people are struggling with the maths though.

There will be an appeal before any of that, also.

You really do think you're above people :joker:

Delusions of grandeur.

True but she diagnosed Heard without even speaking to her.

Her body langue however, seemed to confirm some sort of disorder. You need only rudimentary understanding of body language to see she was 'performing' on the stand.

I do agree with this massively. Smell a rat, most likely a rat. It was the whole noises, crying noises, no tears, then stop, start, smile then frown. It just did not add up at all imo.

Totally uncalled for. No need to be so rude.

Did you even see the testimony?

Depp was calm and addressed the attorney while Heard constantly made irrelevant comments directed at the jury. It was constant and stood out like a sore thumb.

What qualifications do I need to observe the stark contrast between their testimonies and make a decision on what I see?

Yeah he's very rude and unnecessary. Really thinks he's something and the most intelligent person in the room. Must make him feel better though. Really patronising and demeaning.

TS thinks he’s the smartest person on any subject he chooses to discuss and anybody who disagrees with him is an idiot

Nail on head

Johnny Depp's taste of the Toon! Barmaid reveals Hollywood star drank 6 cans of STELLA with £14 fish and chips as he toasted $15M lawsuit win
over Amber Heard... and even quizzed staff on the city's famous Tyne Bridge


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/02/09/58585683-10877933-image-a-1_1654159088984.jpg

Fair play to him

And if there’s anything that screams “no more alcohol problems” it’s six cans of Stella with your dinner.

Really? My dad would do the same and certainly isn't an alcoholic. I wouldn't say that unnormal for most men.

Lies aren’t protected by freedom of speech, let’s all remember that shall we

Indeed and that's the big difference

The response to the verdict is very telling though, that people who have had malicious lies told about them, shouldn’t do anything to clear their name and just sit back and allow it to happen, because it does too much damage to women to prove a woman has lied about you, scary times to live in.

Giving big ‘man up and take one for the team’ energy

Agreed

There are no first hand witnesses (nor are there any suggested first hand witnesses) to any of the actual alleged incidents of violence because, as with most domestic abuse, the violence happens when they’re alone. All of Depp’s witnesses were to circumstantial things, or payroll expert witnesses (part of his legal team).

Did you imagine there would be witnesses to say “oh yes I saw him being abusive all the time”? Who would have seen that?

Nope but lots who had no reason to lie never seeing any marks she describes that came from these horrific acts of violence

[Parmy]

In the first deposition, there was one point where her attorney made an objection. She gives a little smirk after. Her expressions are inappropriate at times.

:shrug:

I go red and look guilty everytime I walk through customs, is there anything hidden in my bag...NO, there isnt.

[Parmy]

The op ed wasn't just about domestic abuse, sexual violence was also mentioned

Thomas...
Wasnt it just the actual headline of that article that they were deliberating on?

[ThomasC]

The op ed wasn't just about domestic abuse, sexual violence was also mentioned


Wasnt it just the actual headline of that article that they were deliberating on.

No, three statements and title.

[ThomasC]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ive-seen-how-institutions-protect-men-accused-of-abuse-heres-what-we-can-do/2018/12/18/71fd876a-02ed-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html

[ThomasC]

Sorry for two plus the title

[ThomasC]

So this whole notion and discussion we spent so long about, where some said that the video was abuse and that was enough for slam, dunk close obviously not aware of the logistics of it all.

Someone in particular thinking he knows everything and is a lawyer. Lol

[GiRTh]

:shrug:

I go red and look guilty everytime I walk through customs, is there anything hidden in my bag...NO, there isnt.OK fair enough. it's just that when you looking at someone's face for so long, you start to notice everything after a while

[Parmy]

So this whole notion and discussion we spent so long about, where some said that the video was abuse and that was enough for slam, dunk close obviously not aware of the logistics of it all.

Everyone knew that, so you dont need to be condescending.

Everyone felt the need to expose an abusive man though, hence the very long discussion about the video I asked you to post.

[ThomasC]

Anyway, I am just really quite glad that justice has been served.

But regardless Johnny won no matter what the verdict would have been.

He has the support of the huge minority and that speaks for more than anything.

I don't happen to think most people are wrong, clueless, unintelligent, brain washed social media addicts.

Some, yes of course, will just be your social media crowd and believing whatever, but you have that much support in huge numbers....such disportionate numbers supporting Depp then you really have to ask yourself why..... And no it's not because they don't know what DV is or how it can display itself in a multitude of facets.

[ThomasC]

Everyone knew that, so you dont need to be condescending.

Everyone felt the need to expose an abusive man though, hence the very long discussion about the video I asked you to post.

Really?....ummmmm, ok :joker:

They really didn't know that! Some didn't

He hasn't been exposed though, she has, quite clearly :joker:

[Parmy]

Thomas..


Wouldnt you class what he was found proven for, abuse in itself?

[ThomasC]

Thomas..


Wouldnt you class what he was found proven for, abuse in itself?

We on about the video, again?

What was he proven for? :conf:

[Liam-]

We on about the video, again?

What was he proven for? :conf:

Heard won one of her claims, the one where Depps lawyer accused her and her friends of roughing up the apartment to trick the police, nothing to do with any abuse allegations like people are so desperately trying to make it out to be

[Parmy]

Depps lawyer working on behalf of depp, concocting a story to discredit them..trying to make the public turn against her..millions and millions of people..film studios...friends, perhaps family..

Isnt that a form of abuse in itself.

[ThomasC]

He wasn't proven for anything. He won all 3 of his sues. She won one.

I know the sun article/trial has been mentioned. Depp didn't have a chance then to prove his innocence. It was it lawyers. He has been able to in the US case have his say and defend himself

Also further evidence has come out

[Zizu]

Yes, ex friends....ones who had no reasons through loyalty to tell their version on her behalf.


She may have offered them all a decent wedge to back her up .. I honestly wouldn’t put it past her at all ..

Any links to their statements/ evidence ?


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[ThomasC]

Depps lawyer working on behalf of depp, concocting a story to discredit them..trying to make the public turn against her..millions and millions of people..film studios...friends, perhaps family..

Isnt that a form of abuse in itself.

I don't think a lot of the public are sheep nor do I believe they are gullible and niave to believe everything they read on social media.

I can't talk for what his lawyer did. Regardless of what he did or didn't say, I feel Johnny would have won public opinion regardless and his case, as he has done

Do I feel it's abuse, what the lawyer said, no I do not

[ThomasC]

She can appeal, well they both can.

If she does appeal though I can't see her winning it or being overturned unless they can provide new evidence.

[Parmy]

It's not what he said on behalf of depp, it's why he said it..that's the thing I see as being abuse.

[Parmy]

It's also ridiculous that heard had to convince the jury that there was sexual abuse from depp after starting the op ed with tails of abuse from her past.

[Zizu]

It's also ridiculous that heard had to convince the jury that there was sexual abuse from depp after starting the op ed with tails of abuse from her past.


The trouble I and many , many others have with her is simply that I do not believe a single word she utters ... that’s a major problem, right there


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[user104658]

Thomas, Liam et al; I don’t think anyone who disagrees with me on any topic is stupid. I promise.

I do think that anyone who believes that Johnny Depp wasn’t violent in his relationship with Amber Heard, whether that be mutual or not, is stupid.

I also think that anyone who says Depp isn’t being abusive in that video in the kitchen is flat out lying because it doesn’t support the side they’ve taken. Either that or they don’t want to see it as abuse because they think “hey, I might do the same thing”. In which case I think they’re an abuser.

Anywho - the appeal has already been announced, it’s years away, it’ll be decided by a panel of three judges NOT a jury, and there are already heavy question marks over evidence that was not allowed to be submitted (e.g. medical evidence, for those who were repeatedly asking why she “didn’t have any”. Several jurors also found to have been on social media or discussing the case with their family during the trial :facepalm:.

Strongly suspect she’ll win on appeal so… see you then I guess? He’s not won **** yet. Big sad. :hee:

[user104658]

The trouble I and many , many others have with her is simply that I do not believe a single word she utters ... that’s a major problem, right there


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It won’t be an issue when the appeal is decided by a panel of judges and not the public, thankfully.

[Parmy]

:crazy:The trouble I and many , many others have with her is simply that I do not believe a single word she utters ... that’s a major problem, right there


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Go see a dr and get it fixed then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thomas, Liam et al; I don’t think anyone who disagrees with me on any topic is stupid. I promise.

I do think that anyone who believes that Johnny Depp wasn’t violent in his relationship with Amber Heard, whether that be mutual or not, is stupid.

I also think that anyone who says Depp isn’t being abusive in that video in the kitchen is flat out lying because it doesn’t support the side they’ve taken. Either that or they don’t want to see it as abuse because they think “hey, I might do the same thing”. In which case I think they’re an abuser.

Anywho - the appeal has already been announced, it’s years away, it’ll be decided by a panel of three judges NOT a jury, and there are already heavy question marks over evidence that was not allowed to be submitted (e.g. medical evidence, for those who were repeatedly asking why she “didn’t have any”. Several jurors also found to have been on social media or discussing the case with their family during the trial :facepalm:.

Strongly suspect she’ll win on appeal so… see you then I guess? He’s not won **** yet. Big sad. :hee:

You're at the "if I throw this shoe over the pub I win...ok?" stage TS

Go watch a Pirate film

[user104658]

You're at the "if I throw this shoe over the pub I win...ok?" stage TS

Go watch a Pirate film


I wouldn’t risk throwing my shoe over a pub LT, you never know when it might unexpectedly cut off someone’s finger. Whoosh!

There is an appeal, we’ll see what happens :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

I wouldn’t risk throwing my shoe over a pub LT, you never know when it might unexpectedly cut off someone’s finger. Whoosh!

There is an appeal, we’ll see what happens :shrug:

TS where's the source about Winona Ryder?.

Because she has always openly supported JD .

This was her statement =


The idea that he is an incredibly violent person is the farthest thing from the Johnny I knew and loved,” she said.

“He was never, never violent towards me. He has never been violent or abusive towards anybody I have seen

[arista]

Yes Big Error TS
Amber making up lies
about Kate Moss

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[Zizu]

Yes Big Error TS
Amber making up lies
about Kate Moss

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-277b149d-d4ad-4860-9e00-8d39caba1177.jpg?bypass-service-worker&


Everyone was slaughtering AH lawyers but imagine trying to compile a case around such a compulsive liar .. the first thing they apparently say to new clients is that they have to be completely honest and don’t hide any information from the team .


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[ThomasC]

It's also ridiculous that heard had to convince the jury that there was sexual abuse from depp after starting the op ed with tails of abuse from her past.

Come on, that op-op was about Depp she even admitted it at one stage

Thomas, Liam et al; I don’t think anyone who disagrees with me on any topic is stupid. I promise.

I do think that anyone who believes that Johnny Depp wasn’t violent in his relationship with Amber Heard, whether that be mutual or not, is stupid.

I also think that anyone who says Depp isn’t being abusive in that video in the kitchen is flat out lying because it doesn’t support the side they’ve taken. Either that or they don’t want to see it as abuse because they think “hey, I might do the same thing”. In which case I think they’re an abuser.

Anywho - the appeal has already been announced, it’s years away, it’ll be decided by a panel of three judges NOT a jury, and there are already heavy question marks over evidence that was not allowed to be submitted (e.g. medical evidence, for those who were repeatedly asking why she “didn’t have any”. Several jurors also found to have been on social media or discussing the case with their family during the trial :facepalm:.

Strongly suspect she’ll win on appeal so… see you then I guess? He’s not won **** yet. Big sad. :hee:

Contradicted yourself in the second paragraph there.

Yeah he was verbally violent and intimidating, but it really doesn't paint the whole picture. You just happen to see a video where he is reacting to something that seems to have been from the night before maybe, what that is, we don't know! I just find it really narrow minded to think that justifies him being a domestic abuser including sexual violence without any other context to what lead up to that video or those texts.

You just sound really bitter to be honest.

He has won, massively, whatever way you want to dress it up. No new case with judges or jury is going to change how most people feel about AH it will only cause her more misery as she's not going to be able to clear her name regardless. Maybe in a legal sense and a financial sense, but overall, nahhhhh.

That's just the reality of it and something you have to deal with.

Even if another judge, judges find her innocent it really will not make a difference IMHO.

Sorry, not sorry.

[ThomasC]

I hope that the real outcome from this case is that they both get help for their problems and that it highlights more domestic violence is a very real thing with MEN too. I hope more men feel able to speak out now against it and that it is less stigmatised. Just like mental health is stigmatised for men and a reason male suicide is rife because men feel unable to discuss their problems (maybe including DV) as it become so much about women's right and feminism we sometimes overlook men and there's this whole sort of stigma to just get on with it because we're suppose to be manly etc.

I hope Johnny gets help with his drink and drugs illness and Amber with her personality disorders (yes we can argue that, but it's my opinion)

I hope they can both move on and find happiness. It was clearly a relationship that didn't work and it got very nasty.....from both sides, but in two very completely different ways and contexts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Any man who has had a stand-up row with his wife could be described as verbally violent and intimidating by someone else trying to make him look bad tbh

[Zizu]

Any man who has had a stand-up row with his wife could be described as verbally violent and intimidating by someone else trying to make him look bad tbh


Exactly .... me and the wife have the occasional ‘difference of opinion’ and we simply give ourselves a little space .. .

... until I apologise

:)

Seriously though if we have had a lover’s tiff I don’t go pestering her constantly with meaningless questions until she flips ..


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[bots]

that wasn't a lovers tiff though was it?

My ex was an abusive alcoholic. She made my life hell until i eventually got a court order. It's not the same as an argument, i can assure you of that, and people trying to trivialise it, certainly doesn't help

[Zizu]

that wasn't a lovers tiff though was it?

My ex was an abusive alcoholic. She made my life hell until i eventually got a court order. It's not the same as an argument, i can assure you of that, and people trying to trivialise it, certainly doesn't help


I was referring to that infamous ‘clip’ we keep going over continually ... we don’t know what had happened before she started filming but an argument of some kind seems obvious given he’s very annoyed and doing his best to ignore her ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

that wasn't a lovers tiff though was it?

My ex was an abusive alcoholic. She made my life hell until i eventually got a court order. It's not the same as an argument, i can assure you of that, and people trying to trivialise it, certainly doesn't help

yes but surely you are not judging all relationships by your own specific situation?

[Nicky91]

why does ratface have to appeal :bored: :idc:

[bots]

yes but surely you are not judging all relationships by your own specific situation?

of course i'm not, where have i even implied that on this thread?

[Zizu]

of course i'm not, where have i even implied that on this thread?


.... about 5 minutes ago ?


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[Nicky91]

add deluded to her list of flaws now



deluded pathological liar ratface piece of scum what she is

[AnnieK]

There is literally no debate in this thread. Even when people explain their own experiences in abusive relationships drawing parallels with the evidence seen in that clip it is met with scorn and scepticism.

Maybe, one day if you actually experience the rage of someone you love directed at you, directly or indirectly where that rage is out of control you might understand the need to do things that you feel now are the actions of a woman "goading" "provoking" and "prodding" I sincerely hope no-one does have to experience it but coming from someone who has, yes I am judging his behaviour on that video. It is intimidating, violent and threatening.

Johnny at best is a violent addict....whether that violence is direct or indirect is a matter of opinion but a relationship with someone who abuses substances is an abusive relationship.

I believe he was also faced with abuse. The difference I see between the two camps is many think it is all one sided whereas I believe she was abusive to him and him to her.

The one positive to come out of this is they are no longer together and they didn't have children who witnessed any of it.

Now you can all hero worship JD in peace. A violent man with many documented arrests and facing assault charges currently who said he was clean and sober whilst downing 6 pints of wife beater.

[Niamh.]

There is literally no debate in this thread. Even when people explain their own experiences in abusive relationships drawing parallels with the evidence seen in that clip it is met with scorn and scepticism.

Maybe, one day if you actually experience the rage of someone you love directed at you, directly or indirectly where that rage is out of control you might understand the need to do things that you feel now are the actions of a woman "goading" "provoking" and "prodding" I sincerely hope no-one does have to experience it but coming from someone who has, yes I am judging his behaviour on that video. It is intimidating, violent and threatening.

Johnny at best is a violent addict....whether that violence is direct or indirect is a matter of opinion but a relationship with someone who abuses substances is an abusive relationship.

I believe he was also faced with abuse. The difference I see between the two camps is many think it is all one sided whereas I believe she was abusive to him and him to her.

The one positive to come out of this is they are no longer together and they didn't have children who witnessed any of it.

Now you can all hero worship JD in peace. A violent man with many documented arrests and facing assault charges currently who said he was clean and sober whilst downing 6 pints of wife beater.

Yep, pretty much sums up my thoughts on this too Annie

[Zizu]

There is literally no debate in this thread. Even when people explain their own experiences in abusive relationships drawing parallels with the evidence seen in that clip it is met with scorn and scepticism.

Maybe, one day if you actually experience the rage of someone you love directed at you, directly or indirectly where that rage is out of control you might understand the need to do things that you feel now are the actions of a woman "goading" "provoking" and "prodding" I sincerely hope no-one does have to experience it but coming from someone who has, yes I am judging his behaviour on that video. It is intimidating, violent and threatening.

Johnny at best is a violent addict....whether that violence is direct or indirect is a matter of opinion but a relationship with someone who abuses substances is an abusive relationship.

I believe he was also faced with abuse. The difference I see between the two camps is many think it is all one sided whereas I believe she was abusive to him and him to her.

The one positive to come out of this is they are no longer together and they didn't have children who witnessed any of it.

Now you can all hero worship JD in peace. A violent man with many documented arrests and facing assault charges currently who said he was clean and sober whilst downing 6 pints of wife beater.


It’s interesting to see we all view the same clip yet come to different conclusions ..

I know I’ve said this about 6 times .. yawn but in THAT clip he is obviously very annoyed and doesn’t want to interact with her ... yet she keeps asking him more or less the same question when he’s clearly ignoring her - he clearly just wanted to be left alone but she continued even though he’s clearly getting more and more annoyed .. until she makes that disparaging remark about his drinking and he snapped ..

We have no idea what had happened before the edited clip we saw and we don’t know how long she had been chipping away at him ..

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[user104658]

It’s interesting to see we all view the same clip yet come to different conclusions ..

I know I’ve said this about 6 times .. yawn but in THAT clip he is obviously very annoyed and doesn’t want to interact with her ... yet she keeps asking him the same question when he’s clearly ignoring her .. until she makes that disparaging remark about his drinking and he snapped ..

We have no idea what had happened before the edited clip we saw and we don’t know how long she had been chipping away at him ..

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You keep talking about the “disparaging mark about drinking” and her “chipping away” like he was just enjoying a light beer at a barbecue.

Her alcoholic partner was pouring himself a pint glass of red wine in the middle of the morning. You might think that’s normal or OK or something someone shouldn’t comment on but… it’s a major, major red flag.

Although perhaps you’re right; for her own sake she’d probably have been better off letting him quietly drink himself to death.

He also blatantly lied about being better/sober, ex-alcoholics don’t drink six pints of Stella with their fish and chips.

[Zizu]

You keep talking about the “disparaging mark about drinking” and her “chipping away” like he was just enjoying a light beer at a barbecue.

Her alcoholic partner was pouring himself a pint glass of red wine in the middle of the morning. You might think that’s normal or OK or something someone shouldn’t comment on but… it’s a major, major red flag.

Although perhaps you’re right; for her own sake she’d probably have been better off letting him quietly drink himself to death.

He also blatantly lied about being better/sober, ex-alcoholics don’t drink six pints of Stella with their fish and chips.


She would have been better getting a long way away from him when he was that annoyed .. I have said that a few times as well .


Why stay in that room when he’s slamming glass cupboard doors so angrily.. whilst continually asking him questions he doesn’t want to hear ..?

Oh wait she had to stay as she was filming him as she wound him up more and more ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

You keep talking about the “disparaging mark about drinking” and her “chipping away” like he was just enjoying a light beer at a barbecue.

Her alcoholic partner was pouring himself a pint glass of red wine in the middle of the morning. You might think that’s normal or OK or something someone shouldn’t comment on but… it’s a major, major red flag.

Although perhaps you’re right; for her own sake she’d probably have been better off letting him quietly drink himself to death.

He also blatantly lied about being better/sober, ex-alcoholics don’t drink six pints of Stella with their fish and chips.

I dont think the time of that drink is the same as the average working joe. A multi-millionaire actor does not work to the 9-5 body clock. He could easily get loaded in the morning and then go to sleep at 4pm and sleep till the next morning if he had nothing on. No different than the stockbroker tanning a bottle and a half of red when he gets home from work on a tuesday.

I dont think Depp was diagnosed as an alcoholic by a professional (?) if not its noones place top accuse him so

[Niamh.]

I dont think the time of that drink is the same as the average working joe. A multi-millionaire actor does not work to the 9-5 body clock. He could easily get loaded in the morning and then go to sleep at 4pm and sleep till the next morning if he had nothing on. No different than the stockbroker tanning a bottle and a half of red when he gets home from work on a tuesday.

I dont think Depp was diagnosed as an alcoholic by a professional (?) if not its noones place top accuse him so

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[Zizu]

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Well he’s right to be fair ..


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[Niamh.]

Well he’s right to be fair ..


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Yes drinking a pint of wine in the morning is totally normal behavior :thumbs:

[user104658]

Yeah he was verbally violent and intimidating, but it really doesn't paint the whole picture. You just happen to see a video where he is reacting to something that seems to have been from the night before maybe, what that is, we don't know! I just find it really narrow minded to think that justifies him being a domestic abuser including sexual violence without any other context to what lead up to that video or those texts.

You just sound really bitter to be honest.

“Yeah he was verbally violent and intimidating” - AKA abusive. You can disagree. The UK courts don’t, being verbally violent and intimidating is a form of abuse. He also wasn’t just verbally intimidating; smashing objects is physical intimidation. Again you can disagree but in this country this is classed as abusive behaviour. Maybe it’s different in the United States - I don’t know - but I also don’t care any more than I care what’s considered abuse in Saudi Arabia.

The only part I’ll concede is that there was no physical evidence of sexual violence, only both of their accounts of the incident, but there’s also no proof that there was NOT sexual violence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absense. She failed to prove it happened, but that’s true of 95%+ of sexual assaults so really means very little. If we’re saying that people can’t speak about being sexually assaulted unless the person who assaulted them was successfully charged, we’re just saying that people can’t speak about sexual assault at all in the vast majority of cases. So was it proved? No. Was it disproven? No. And this was not a case to determine if Depp should be charged with sexual assault (certainly there was nowhere near enough evidence for that) - it was a case to determine whether on not she should have kept quiet, and it was decided that “yeah she should have kept her mouth shut if she didn’t have proof”.

That is awful, and a massive, massive problem for all victims (male or female; because I will also acknowledge that young gay men are sadly very high in the sexual assault stats too, with the perpetrator most commonly being older men of course).

So yes I’m bitter about it. Proudly extremely bitter about it. I’m quite glad about that, it means perhaps I’m not yet quite as jaded as I thought. Why are you telling me I have to accept it? I don’t “have to” accept it at all, and have no idea what makes you think I have to, other than you finding it irritating that I won’t?

As for an overturned result making a difference? It will make no difference to Amber Heard’s acting career, I agree with you there, Johnny achieved exactly what he said he was going to achieve and she “hit the wall hard”. But it will make a huge difference to the abuse victims who, this week, are more scared than ever to speak up about their abuse. I don’t know where this idea that it’ll help male victims comes from, the outcome of this trial didn’t say “male victims can speak out too”, it said “if you speak out you might get sued”. Male or female. That’s the message.

Amber Heard also has HUGE support amounts victims of DV, advocacy and victim support groups etc. and likely still has much to contribute there, especially if it is overturned. The appeals process, with it taking some time to start, will also offer a chance for some reflection on the social effects of this trial and the travesty of it being televised.

Her support isn’t as huge as Johnny’s support as unfortunately “MRA’s and people who like him when he dresses up as a funny pirate” seems to make up a larger group; however my suspicion is that the bulk of that group will move on to tomorrow’s meme soon enough. The idea that Heard has no support is a myth. Comments in support of her still get millions of likes and shares across social media. The support for her exists, it just isn’t so loud and stuffed full of gifs and memes so it’s more easily ignored by those inclined to do so.

So yeah Thomas I proudly and bitterly remain standing in support of Amber Heard and the right of all victims of domestic violence to speak about their experience, and against the normalisation of tiptoeing around drunken aggression in men as though it’s just something that needs to be accepted. “Sorry, not sorry”.

[GoldHeart]

You keep talking about the “disparaging mark about drinking” and her “chipping away” like he was just enjoying a light beer at a barbecue.

Her alcoholic partner was pouring himself a pint glass of red wine in the middle of the morning. You might think that’s normal or OK or something someone shouldn’t comment on but… it’s a major, major red flag.

Although perhaps you’re right; for her own sake she’d probably have been better off letting him quietly drink himself to death.

He also blatantly lied about being better/sober, ex-alcoholics don’t drink six pints of Stella with their fish and chips.

TS did you find that Winona Ryder thing ? .

Also AH was an alcoholic aswell, she's blatantly drunk on the audio clips. She's not going to show herself getting drunk on camera.

[user104658]

No different than the stockbroker tanning a bottle and a half of red when he gets home from work on a tuesday.


I feel genuinely sad for you that you don’t recognise that this describes someone with a fairly major problem with alcohol.

[user104658]

TS did you find that Winona Ryder thing ? .

Also AH was an alcoholic aswell, she's blatantly drunk on the audio clips. She's not going to show herself getting drunk on camera.


My apologies for the misunderstanding with the Winona Ryder part; I believe it was that she was initially going to appear in SUPPORT of Depp but then when it came down to it declined to do so. Trying to guess why would be speculation I suppose.

AH clearly has had alcohol and drug problems too, yes. I’m not sure what your point is there. It’s fairly obvious that much of their toxic relationship was based around a mutual “enjoyment” of alcohol and cocaine. I am absolutely not judging Johnny Depp for his substance abuse problems, I genuinely hope he gets help with them.

You know I was actually quite relieved to see that his claims of now being sober were a lie? Not because I don’t hope he gets sober - but because I couldn’t wrap my head around the idea that he would be pursuing such a savage vendetta against someone he once loved if he was indeed sober and reflective. I can see now that he’s still very much in the grips of addiction and that offers a glimmer of hope that one day he will genuinely sober up and take a good look at himself.

[GoldHeart]

My apologies for the misunderstanding with the Winona Ryder part; I believe it was that she was initially going to appear in SUPPORT of Depp but then when it came down to it declined to do so. Trying to guess why would be speculation I suppose.

AH clearly has had alcohol and drug problems too, yes. I’m not sure what your point is there. It’s fairly obvious that much of their toxic relationship was based around a mutual “enjoyment” of alcohol and cocaine. I am absolutely not judging Johnny Depp for his substance abuse problems, I genuinely hope he gets help with them.

You know I was actually quite relieved to see that his claims of now being sober were a lie? Not because I don’t hope he gets sober - but because I couldn’t wrap my head around the idea that he would be pursuing such a savage vendetta against someone he once loved if he was indeed sober and reflective. I can see now that he’s still very much in the grips of addiction and that offers a glimmer of hope that one day he will genuinely sober up and take a good look at himself.


I'm sure you saw the statement I posted of Winona. She's always supported JD . Just like his ex Vanessa who was with him like 15 years has always supported him.
Neither of them appeared in court , probably because they didn't want to get involved or could be they want privacy.

KM is very private, but she came forward to clear things up with the hearsay rumour about Stairs gate .

JD said he wanted both him and AH to go sober together, and she refused . Addiction is serious, it doesn't just end instantly. And she didn't want to quit with him.

[user104658]

I'm sure you saw the statement I posted of Winona. She's always supported JD . Just like his ex Vanessa who was with him like 15 years has always supported him.
Neither of them appeared in court , probably because they didn't want to get involved or could be they want privacy.

There being a necessary history of domestic abuse for a new relationship to become abusive as a myth; the fact that he never hit them doesn’t mean he didn’t hit Amber Heard. We don’t know the ins and outs of these relationships. He has ex partners who have described him as jealous and controlling. Amber Heard - as many on this thread have described - can be defiant, arrogant and argumentative. Perhaps that “pushed his buttons” in ways that his exes didn’t? Pure speculation again of course but so is your guessing about why they didn’t appear. My suspicion is that while they could say he had never been aggressive TOWARDS THEM, they could not say under oath that they had never seen him be aggressive. He has a well documented history of getting aggressive with other men.

KM is very private, but she came forward to clear things up with the hearsay rumour about Stairs gate .

I’ve never understood the relevance of that really, heard quite clearly said she was worried because of the rumours that it had happened - not because she knew for a fact that it happened. If someone moved in next door to you and you heard a rumour that they were a murderer you’d probably be pretty worried. It may not be true, but that’s not the point.

JD said he wanted both him and AH to go sober together, and she refused . Addiction is serious, it doesn't just end instantly. And she didn't want to quit with him.
Not much to say about that really. My mum died of alcohol related liver failure after 15 years of heavy alcohol abuse; I know that “addiction doesn’t just end instantly”.

But the notion that it was his partners responsibility to get him sober? That’s just completely wrong. It’s his responsibility to get sober and always has and always will be, regardless of what anyone else is doing. You can say that they were bad for each other - CLEARLY they were - but ultimately the responsibility for a persons addiction is their own. This is a fundamental aspect of recovery.

Again despite everything, I genuinely do hope that Depp knocks his addiction issues on the head before they kill him. I wouldn’t wish substance addiction on anyone. It still doesn’t excuse his actions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i feel genuinely sad for you that you don’t recognise that this describes someone with a fairly major problem with alcohol.

if he does it once every 2 weeks what is the issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm sure you saw the statement I posted of Winona. She's always supported JD . Just like his ex Vanessa who was with him like 15 years has always supported him.
Neither of them appeared in court , probably because they didn't want to get involved or could be they want privacy.

KM is very private, but she came forward to clear things up with the hearsay rumour about Stairs gate .

JD said he wanted both him and AH to go sober together, and she refused . Addiction is serious, it doesn't just end instantly. And she didn't want to quit with him.

I think when someone who you were in a relationship for 5 years says

er no he wasn't like that at all

that was the nail on the AH coffin

[user104658]

I think when someone who you were in a relationship for 5 years says

er no he wasn't like that at all

that was the nail on the AH coffin


Again it’s a myth that people in abusive relationships will have abuse in all of their past relationships.

It probably was a nail in the coffin though, because it was a jury trial and most people think like this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again it’s a myth that people in abusive relationships will have abuse in all of their past relationships.

It probably was a nail in the coffin though, because it was a jury trial and most people think like this.

thank God you can see the truth TS

:rolleyes:

[user104658]

thank God you can see the truth TS

:rolleyes:


Plenty of people know these things LT.

[GoldHeart]

Again it’s a myth that people in abusive relationships will have abuse in all of their past relationships.

It probably was a nail in the coffin though, because it was a jury trial and most people think like this.

You cannot say it's a myth ,if someone gets angry & aggressive then he's not going to only act that way in 1 relationship .. I have to disagree. If someone is that abusive then they will have a history of it & continue it.

You yourself keep reminding us all of his addiction ,and how mixed with anger it can make someone violent. And yes but he still didn't lay a finger on his ex's. So I find it strange that suddenly he's a 'woman beater ' with AH .

[GoldHeart]

Another thing to add aswell, he seemed to have good relationships in general with women ( I'm not just talking romances) .Penelope Cruz said when she was pregnant on the set of the pirates movie ...he was making sure she was ok and looked after her.

[user104658]

You cannot say it's a myth ,if someone gets angry & aggressive then he's not going to only act that way in 1 relationship .. I have to disagree. If someone is that abusive then they will have a history of it & continue it.

You yourself keep reminding us all of his addiction ,and how mixed with anger it can make someone violent. And yes but he still didn't lay a finger on his ex's. So I find it strange that suddenly he's a 'woman beater ' with AH .

It factually IS a myth, I can say it's a myth. Not all people in abusive relationships have abuse in their past relationships. That's not a guess or an opinion, it is a well-researched fact. It's ALSO not true that people who have been in one abusive relationship will necessarily be abusive in any relationships that come afterwards. The factors contributing to a relationship becoming abusive are many and varied, and sometimes they will be unique to that relationship.

[user104658]

Another thing to add aswell, he seemed to have good relationships in general with women ( I'm not just talking romances) .Penelope Cruz said when she was pregnant on the set of the pirates movie ...he was making sure she was ok and looked after her.

Yes well it would also be a myth to say that people are "good guys" or "bad guys" - that's fairytale stuff. People who do shocking things can also have a good side, generally good people can have a dark side, etc... I think we all know that surely. We're all grown ups here, we should be beyond thinking of the world in terms of "heroes and villains" - people are extremely complicated.

[GoldHeart]

Yes well it would also be a myth to say that people are "good guys" or "bad guys" - that's fairytale stuff. People who do shocking things can also have a good side, generally good people can have a dark side, etc... I think we all know that surely. We're all grown ups here, we should be beyond thinking of the world in terms of "heroes and villains" - people are extremely complicated.

Yes people are complex,but I don't personally know JD ..non of us do . We all have made up our minds from evidence & what we've heard.

Yes some can deceive & hide their dark side, but I'm not convinced with JD .. especially if his addiction & mental health was affected . He would not be able to hide that sort of anger & violence. And him getting into fights with paparazzi & blokes ... does not mean he'll attack women.

He's not the only bloke to do that, I'm not saying it's ok ..but when 2 blokes 'fight' in a pub or something ..you don't instantly think " omg they both must be woman beaters" :shrug: .

[user104658]

He's not the only bloke to do that, I'm not saying it's ok ..but when 2 blokes 'fight' in a pub or something ..you don't instantly think " omg they both must be woman beaters" :shrug: .

No - but if one of their wives then came forward and said "he gets violent with me too sometimes" it would certainly add a lot of weight to that claim. I should also note that I wouldn't then say to her, "but you better show me pictures of the injuries, and they better be good ones, or else I don't believe you and he should sue you."

[GoldHeart]

No - but if one of their wives then came forward and said "he gets violent with me too sometimes" it would certainly add a lot of weight to that claim. I should also note that I wouldn't then say to her, "but you better show me pictures of the injuries, and they better be good ones, or else I don't believe you and he should sue you."

But in a court of law you need evidence,I don't know why this upsets you so much?? . As traumatic & horrific as it is to get beaten & raped ..you need to get medical reports to help your case :shrug: . It's not about not believing women in general.

We're not just talking about someone telling a friend or loved ones,that they've been attacked and them shutting them down. The police as problematic as they are ,are there for you to report a crime . Also the medical professions are there aswell.

If I was attacked as brutally as AH claimed,do you really think I would NOT go to the hospital? & The police, I can tell you something ..that would be the LAST time he ever touches me again. I would have left him ages ago.

[user104658]

But in a court of law you need evidence, I don't know why this upsets you so much?

She didn't press charges against Depp and there was never a criminal trial. This was a libel case taken by Depp against Heard. How there's still confusion about that, I'm really not sure.

I'm sure you would go to the hospital and I'm sure you would leave your partner if they attacked you - many people would - sadly, not everyone does. Is that in dispute here? Are you saying that abuse can't have happened because she didn't leave him? Because if so you genuinely know nothing about the sad realities of domestic abuse. It can take people YEARS to leave.

[Zizu]

Yes drinking a pint of wine in the morning is totally normal behavior :thumbs:


It may well be if he’s on a different time scale ..

Would you criticise your neighbour for watching telly at strange times when he works on the night shift .. it’s really not a difficult concept to grasp tbf


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[Zizu]

It probably was a nail in the coffin though, because it was a jury trial and most people think like this.

You do like your sweeping and unfounded.. generalisations


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[Zizu]

It factually IS a myth, I can say it's a myth. Not all people in abusive relationships have abuse in their past relationships. That's not a guess or an opinion, it is a well-researched FACT . It's ALSO not true that people who have been in one abusive relationship will necessarily be abusive in any relationships that come afterwards. The factors contributing to a relationship becoming abusive are many and varied, and sometimes they will be unique to that relationship.


We need links and evidence if you are gonna keep claiming all these FACTS !!


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[user104658]

It may well be if he’s on a different time scale ..

Would you criticise your neighbour for watching telly at strange times when he works on the night shift .. it’s really not a difficult concept to grasp tbf


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You don't think it's abnormal to drink a pint of wine in the morning if you're "on a different timescale". Honestly I think we're really grasping at straws here trying to excuse a major alcoholism red flag (morning drinking) as "totally normal nothing to see here". If you're drinking pints of wine with your breakfast please seek help Zizu.

[user104658]

We need links and evidence if you are gonna keep claiming all these FACTS !!

I don't owe you **** Zizu, I'm not wasting my time.

[GoldHeart]

She didn't press charges against Depp and there was never a criminal trial. This was a libel case taken by Depp against Heard. How there's still confusion about that, I'm really not sure.

I'm sure you would go to the hospital and I'm sure you would leave your partner if they attacked you - many people would - sadly, not everyone does. Is that in dispute here? Are you saying that abuse can't have happened because she didn't leave him? Because if so you genuinely know nothing about the sad realities of domestic abuse. It can take people YEARS to leave.


But the whole trial was still about her accusing him of domestic violent, obviously they both recorded eachother for a 'reason' ? .

I know not everyone leaves ,some people are too scared to. Or they take a long time before they manage to get out the abusive relationship.

But she was not isolated ,and her sister and friends were living with them. She did whatever she wanted, I find it hard to believe she would not get some form of help with how crazy things got . And what about when he was gone & she was inviting Elon Musk & James Franco back to the apartment for affairs???.

[Zizu]

No - but if one of their wives then came forward and said "he gets violent with me too sometimes" it would certainly add a lot of weight to that claim. I should also note that I wouldn't then say to her, "but you better show me pictures of the injuries, and they better be good ones, or else I don't believe you and he should sue you."


Jees .. she’s proven herself time and time again to be completely unreliable yet you persist with this poor , poor abused woman nonsense


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[user104658]

Jees .. she’s proven herself time and time again to be completely unreliable yet you persist with this poor , poor abused woman nonsense


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"Poor abused woman nonsense". Disgusting Zizu.

[Zizu]

"Poor abused woman nonsense". Disgusting Zizu.


That was a dig at YOU not women in general ..

Don’t be so pathetic


I think it’s getting obvious you everyone now that you are a complete wind-up merchant and we’ve all been played for the last week or so ..

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[user104658]

That was a dig at YOU not women in general ..

Don’t be so pathetic


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Whether you realise it or not - it is. I have nothing more to say to you.

[GoldHeart]

But why would you invite men back to your husband's penthouse??, She was caught on CCTV . If she was so scared why would she do that ??. She happily had affairs and she didn't care.

People stuck in abusive relationships, constantly have to worry about being accused of cheating & being unfaithful. Even when they haven't done anything wrong ..they could still get a beating or earful for just simply being 'friendly' to the opposite sex .

I read someone's experience ..where she said she feared any bloke smiling and looking at her ,as her husband was so jealous and abusive. And he always thought she was having an affair with random men.
That type toxicity would drive you mad & it would cause you stress ,you would not actually invite men back to your home :facepalm: .

[Niamh.]

It may well be if he’s on a different time scale ..

Would you criticise your neighbour for watching telly at strange times when he works on the night shift .. it’s really not a difficult concept to grasp tbf


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Honestly not going down this mind numbingly stupid road with you. So I'll just agree with you that yes it's perfectly normal to drink a pint of wine in the morning :thumbs:

[Niamh.]

You don't think it's abnormal to drink a pint of wine in the morning if you're "on a different timescale". Honestly I think we're really grasping at straws here trying to excuse a major alcoholism red flag (morning drinking) as "totally normal nothing to see here". If you're drinking pints of wine with your breakfast please seek help Zizu.

I mean you don't even have to add the time of day on to it for it sound wrong :laugh:

[Zizu]

Whether you realise it or not - it is. I have nothing more to say to you.


Hurrah !


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[Zizu]

Honestly not going down this mind numbingly stupid road with you. So I'll just agree with you that yes it's perfectly normal to drink a pint of wine in the morning :thumbs:


You want to slaughter him for having a big glass of wine ?? Something many in here probably most evenings . He could have been up all night and was just carrying on drinking ( like a late night ) .. then probably slept all through the day .

You’ve conveniently taken everything out of context .. read the previous posts .


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[user104658]

I mean you don't even have to add the time of day on to it for it sound wrong :laugh:


Let’s face it, with all this dancing around people being “on a different timescale because they’re Hollywood actors” etc. the answer people might as well give, when asked why it’s totally fine for him to be downing bottles of wine with his cornflakes but might be concerning in other cases, is;

“Because he’s Johnny Depp”

And doesn’t that just sum up half of this trial.

[Niamh.]

You’ve conveniently taken everything out of context .. read the previous posts .


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[Niamh.]

Let’s face it, with all this dancing around people being “on a different timescale because they’re Hollywood actors” etc. the answer people might as well give, when asked why it’s totally fine for him to be downing bottles of wine with his cornflakes but might be concerning in other cases, is;

“Because he’s Johnny Depp”

And doesn’t that just sum up half of this trial.

It sure does.

[Zizu]

Let’s face it, with all this dancing around people being “on a different timescale because they’re Hollywood actors” etc. the answer people might as well give, when asked why it’s totally fine for him to be downing bottles of wine with his cornflakes but might be concerning in other cases, is;

“Because he’s Johnny Depp”

And doesn’t that just sum up half of this trial.


See you’re suggesting he was drinking wine with his breakfast when it wasn’t his breakfast if he hadn’t been to bed .. it could have been his supper time ..


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[GoldHeart]

It was a glass of wine , it was not A Viking's tankard.

[user104658]

It was a glass of wine , it was not A Viking's tankard.


It was a pint glass, feel free to watch the video again.

[GoldHeart]

It was a pint glass, feel free to watch the video again.

No comment on Elon Musk & James Franco, being invited back to the apartment ?? Hmm ok :hee: .

Like I said abuse victims fear being accused of cheating & being unfaithful, can you imagine the consequences?.

You don't even have to do anything wrong ,if you're with someone THAT abusive & jealous. So why would you risk more arguments & beatings by actually inviting men back to your house for AFFAIRS?!?? .

I told you about the DV experience I read about ,where the woman did nothing wrong and was terrified if a bloke just smiled at her ,as her partner would instantly lose his temper.

[MTVN]

Reading this thread sure makes me want to drink a pint of wine tbf

[Niamh.]

Reading this thread sure makes me want to drink a pint of wine tbf

:laugh:

[user104658]

No comment on Elon Musk & James Franco, being invited back to the apartment ?? Hmm ok :hee: .

Like I said abuse victims fear being accused of cheating & being unfaithful, can you imagine the consequences?.

You don't even have to do anything wrong ,if you're with someone THAT abusive & jealous. So why would you risk more arguments & beatings by actually inviting men back to your house for AFFAIRS?!?? .

I told you about the DV experience I read about ,where the woman did nothing wrong and was terrified if a bloke just smiled at her ,as her partner would instantly lose his temper.


Why would I comment on Musk and Franco unless I believed that unfaithfulness was a justification for abuse?

The rest is just, again, assuming that “all victims are the same” and that there’s a specific way for an abuse victim to feel, behave or react. Which isn’t true. Every situation is different. Believing that all victims present in the same way is a large part of what leads to people not being believed; “you’re not behaving like this other victim so you must not really have experienced abuse”.

[GoldHeart]

Why would I comment on Musk and Franco unless I believed that unfaithfulness was a justification for abuse?

The rest is just, again, assuming that “all victims are the same” and that there’s a specific way for an abuse victim to feel, behave or react. Which isn’t true. Every situation is different. Believing that all victims present in the same way is a large part of what leads to people not being believed; “you’re not behaving like this other victim so you must not really have experienced abuse”.

But you never acknowledge that people DO get FALSELY accused. And even when they're cleared ..mud sticks and it can still ruin someone

[Zizu]

Reading this thread sure makes me want to drink a pint of wine tbf


Or just a glass of wine ?

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[user104658]

But you never acknowledge that people DO get FALSELY accused. And even when they're cleared ..mud sticks and it can still ruin someone


Yes false accusations can happen but, for perhaps the 50th time, I consider the behaviour we have SEEN WITH OUR OWN EYES to be abusive and so in this case the accusations are not false. Do I know that every word she has said is accurate? No. Do I know to what extent the violence was mutual? No. But those have never been the questions.

[Zizu]

Yes false accusations can happen but, for perhaps the 50th time, I consider the behaviour we have SEEN WITH OUR OWN EYES to be abusive and so in this case the accusations are not false. Do I know that every word she has said is accurate? No. Do I know to what extent the violence was mutual? No. But those have never been the questions.


All we saw was a very agitated , semi-drunk guy being prodded , poked and provoked by a very calm , collected lady who was filming the whole ‘set up’ scene .. and then gave a knowing little laugh when he finally snapped


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[user104658]

“Knowing” laugh.

Not that I agree that that’s even what it was but… what did she “know”?

Did she “know” that he would have a violent reaction?

How would she know that?

[Zizu]

“Knowing” laugh.

Not that I agree that that’s even what it was but… what did she “know”?

Did she “know” that he would have a violent reaction?

How would she know that?


I’m fairly sure that she knew EXACTLY which buttons to press - given they’d been together a while ..


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[user104658]

I’m fairly sure that she knew EXACTLY which buttons to press - given they’d been together a while ..


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Kew what to press to get what to happen?

[Zizu]

“Knowing” laugh.

Not that I agree that that’s even what it was but… what did she “know”?

Did she “know” that he would have a violent reaction?

How would she know that?


I’m pretty sure that after living together for some time that she knew exactly which buttons to press .. like her snidey little comment at the end ..


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[Zizu]

“Knowing” laugh.

Not that I agree that that’s even what it was but… what did she “know”?

Did she “know” that he would have a violent reaction?

How would she know that?


“Knowing” laugh.

Not that I agree that that’s even what it was but… what did she “know”?

Did she “know” that he would have a violent reaction?

How would she know that?


I’m pretty sure that after living together for some time that she knew exactly which buttons to press .. like her snidey little comment at the end ..

“ have you drunk this whole thing this morning ? “

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[ThomasC]

Any man who has had a stand-up row with his wife could be described as verbally violent and intimidating by someone else trying to make him look bad tbh

Yep.

There is literally no debate in this thread. Even when people explain their own experiences in abusive relationships drawing parallels with the evidence seen in that clip it is met with scorn and scepticism.

Maybe, one day if you actually experience the rage of someone you love directed at you, directly or indirectly where that rage is out of control you might understand the need to do things that you feel now are the actions of a woman "goading" "provoking" and "prodding" I sincerely hope no-one does have to experience it but coming from someone who has, yes I am judging his behaviour on that video. It is intimidating, violent and threatening.

Johnny at best is a violent addict....whether that violence is direct or indirect is a matter of opinion but a relationship with someone who abuses substances is an abusive relationship.

I believe he was also faced with abuse. The difference I see between the two camps is many think it is all one sided whereas I believe she was abusive to him and him to her.

The one positive to come out of this is they are no longer together and they didn't have children who witnessed any of it.

Now you can all hero worship JD in peace. A violent man with many documented arrests and facing assault charges currently who said he was clean and sober whilst downing 6 pints of wife beater.

I won't worship him, but I will believe him. :hee:

I don't worship anyone.


“Yeah he was verbally violent and intimidating” - AKA abusive. You can disagree. The UK courts don’t, being verbally violent and intimidating is a form of abuse. He also wasn’t just verbally intimidating; smashing objects is physical intimidation. Again you can disagree but in this country this is classed as abusive behaviour. Maybe it’s different in the United States - I don’t know - but I also don’t care any more than I care what’s considered abuse in Saudi Arabia.

The only part I’ll concede is that there was no physical evidence of sexual violence, only both of their accounts of the incident, but there’s also no proof that there was NOT sexual violence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absense. She failed to prove it happened, but that’s true of 95%+ of sexual assaults so really means very little. If we’re saying that people can’t speak about being sexually assaulted unless the person who assaulted them was successfully charged, we’re just saying that people can’t speak about sexual assault at all in the vast majority of cases. So was it proved? No. Was it disproven? No. And this was not a case to determine if Depp should be charged with sexual assault (certainly there was nowhere near enough evidence for that) - it was a case to determine whether on not she should have kept quiet, and it was decided that “yeah she should have kept her mouth shut if she didn’t have proof”.

That is awful, and a massive, massive problem for all victims (male or female; because I will also acknowledge that young gay men are sadly very high in the sexual assault stats too, with the perpetrator most commonly being older men of course).

So yes I’m bitter about it. Proudly extremely bitter about it. I’m quite glad about that, it means perhaps I’m not yet quite as jaded as I thought. Why are you telling me I have to accept it? I don’t “have to” accept it at all, and have no idea what makes you think I have to, other than you finding it irritating that I won’t?

As for an overturned result making a difference? It will make no difference to Amber Heard’s acting career, I agree with you there, Johnny achieved exactly what he said he was going to achieve and she “hit the wall hard”. But it will make a huge difference to the abuse victims who, this week, are more scared than ever to speak up about their abuse. I don’t know where this idea that it’ll help male victims comes from, the outcome of this trial didn’t say “male victims can speak out too”, it said “if you speak out you might get sued”. Male or female. That’s the message.

Amber Heard also has HUGE support amounts victims of DV, advocacy and victim support groups etc. and likely still has much to contribute there, especially if it is overturned. The appeals process, with it taking some time to start, will also offer a chance for some reflection on the social effects of this trial and the travesty of it being televised.

Her support isn’t as huge as Johnny’s support as unfortunately “MRA’s and people who like him when he dresses up as a funny pirate” seems to make up a larger group; however my suspicion is that the bulk of that group will move on to tomorrow’s meme soon enough. The idea that Heard has no support is a myth. Comments in support of her still get millions of likes and shares across social media. The support for her exists, it just isn’t so loud and stuffed full of gifs and memes so it’s more easily ignored by those inclined to do so.

So yeah Thomas I proudly and bitterly remain standing in support of Amber Heard and the right of all victims of domestic violence to speak about their experience, and against the normalisation of tiptoeing around drunken aggression in men as though it’s just something that needs to be accepted. “Sorry, not sorry”.

So he was abusive on that clip, ever thought there may be a reason? I can be abusive if I want to be, I've had many of heated arguments on my life, am I abusive?


I'm not talking about someone being charged, I'm on about someone making allegations. What do you suggest they do if they feel they are not true? He has the money so sued her which is within his rights.

No it was decided she should have kept her mouth shut rather than making extreme and false allegations.She might not have had proof, but Johnny did in a lot of instances to counteract what she was saying.

It will help male victims because it might give them the courage to speak out and be believed.

Support for her exists, sure, but really not that much...also I don't have Twitter and I don't think you're accounting for the huge amount of people who have made their mind up from watching the trial, not stupid memes or tiktock or Twitter.

I 100% advocate people speaking up about DV what I do not advocate is someone making up lots and lots of lies which have been very clearly proven with evidence in a court

[Niamh.]

Please don't use your own situation to sprawl that crap and try make others feel like they would have had to experience it to know it.

What a way to speak to someone who's shared a very personal and traumatic experience Thomas. There was no need for that

[ThomasC]

Just delete the comments.

I don't want to cause any offence, not my intention.

[arista]

Just delete the comments.

I don't want to cause any offence, not my intention.



Thats the best way.

[AnnieK]

I assume anything deleted was aimed at me? Nice.

It will certainly be the last time I share anything on this forum.

[bots]

I assume anything deleted was aimed at me? Nice.

the upshot was that you used your experience to weight the argument in your favour. This is just a typical response of the group think brigade trying to force opinions down peoples throats