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Glenn.
26-08-2024, 06:19 AM
Would you be able to debate with someone called mike crispi without holding up a cheese and onion walkers.:shrug:
And licking it.
I can only imagine a mentally retarded person doing that.
Mystic Mock
26-08-2024, 06:19 AM
No.
I agree with you personally.
But it's what Trump apparently believes, yet he is still trying to win this Election, even though the establishment is apparently out to get him.
Mystic Mock
26-08-2024, 06:20 AM
I can only imagine a mentally retarded person doing that.
:joker:
Nicky91
26-08-2024, 07:20 AM
https://x.com/realTrumpNewsX/status/1827411917582791031
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good on Legendary De Niro :flutter:
user104658
26-08-2024, 09:15 AM
Also what's the point of Trump standing again, if the Elections are rigged?
Going by Trump and Alf's opinion on the last GE result.
You'll find they're only "rigged" if Trump loses. If he wins they'll have for some reason not been rigged this time, just like they forgot to rig it in 2016 :joker:.
But if Harris wins? 100% definitely rigged by deepstate communist paedophiles!!!
user104658
26-08-2024, 09:18 AM
I did find the YouTube video about his golfing fascinating. Apparently all through his business career, people who have played golf with him have said, if he doesn't win a round he'll always claim that the other player cheated, or that there was something wrong with one of his golf clubs, or some other factor that meant he should have won/secretly did win even if the score says otherwise.
We all know people like this I guess. Just most of 'em don't end up running for POTUS and applying the same thinking.
Mystic Mock
26-08-2024, 09:24 AM
You'll find they're only "rigged" if Trump loses. If he wins they'll have for some reason not been rigged this time, just like they forgot to rig it in 2016 :joker:.
But if Harris wins? 100% definitely rigged by deepstate communist paedophiles!!!
I really can't disagree with anything that you've said in this post.
I really can't disagree with anything that you've said in this post.Yeah, you agree that it's only rigged if Trump loses.
Watch as much of the video as you can. It's not just Trumps victory they denied.
user104658
26-08-2024, 10:34 AM
Yeah, you agree that it's only rigged if Trump loses.
The fact that you don't see how ludicrous and circular this logic is, is really the entire story in a nutshell. "If I win I won but if I lose I actually still secretly won" is not just childish, it's toddler-tactics.
Nicky91
26-08-2024, 12:36 PM
I did find the YouTube video about his golfing fascinating. Apparently all through his business career, people who have played golf with him have said, if he doesn't win a round he'll always claim that the other player cheated, or that there was something wrong with one of his golf clubs, or some other factor that meant he should have won/secretly did win even if the score says otherwise.
We all know people like this I guess. Just most of 'em don't end up running for POTUS and applying the same thinking.
yes first world rich boy problems :fan:
we can already know that if Trump loses this years election, they at the capitol can start preparing to fortify everything before another invasion happens like the last one
also a vote for Trump is a vote to keep the genocide in Gaza going on and on, as he is against a ceasefire, so he isn't exactly the bringer of peace or the messiah of peace in his ''world''
Nicky91
26-08-2024, 12:43 PM
also says more than enough who Trump's besties are/were
the likes of the late Jeffrey Epstein, the notorious deluded rapper Kanye West, and those arrogant pricks of Fox & Friends with ubermoron Sean Hannity leading the donald trump fanclub
and it runs in the family this level of stupidity, exhibit A: Donald Trump Jr, whom had that ''affair'' thingy with that one russian journalist or spy or whatever she is, hope he didn't leak too many state secrets to that woman back then
exhibit B: Eric Trump, aka the forgotten lost cause of a failed son in Donnie's eyes
exhibit C: Tiffany Trump, a real Daddy's Girl rotten to the core defends daddykins all the time, even more spoiled than Kylie ******* Jenner
also says more than enough who Trump's besties are/were
the likes of the late Jeffrey Epstein, the notorious deluded rapper Kanye West, and those arrogant pricks of Fox & Friends with ubermoron Sean Hannity leading the donald trump fanclub
and it runs in the family this level of stupidity, exhibit A: Donald Trump Jr, whom had that ''affair'' thingy with that one russian journalist or spy or whatever she is, hope he didn't leak too many state secrets to that woman back then
exhibit B: Eric Trump, aka the forgotten lost cause of a failed son in Donnie's eyes
exhibit C: Tiffany Trump, a real Daddy's Girl rotten to the core defends daddykins all the time, even more spoiled than Kylie ******* JennerNasty Nicky.
All the Trump's love Jurassic Park, the Eurovison song contest and Strictly Come Dancing. And are all big fans of PSV and Fortuna Sittard.
Yeah, you agree that it's only rigged if Trump loses.
Watch as much of the video as you can. It's not just Trumps victory they denied.But we don't want to talk about this, Alf. We just want to point out that "Orange man bad" like all the other obedient NPCs. Because that's all our masters on the television allow us to say"
The people's President doesn't shirk his duties.
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Gore's loss led to rigged speculations in FL. With Barack Obama, there was Birtherism which gave way to claims that he wasn't even eligible to run. When Trump won, people wanted to throw out the Electoral College, blamed a broken system and declared it wasn't democratic enough. Then there was the disputed results in 2020 where we still see court rulings, prosecutions and investigations to this day. 2024 is guaranteed to be more of the same. When a candidate is reelected, there's usually less dispute, but I think had Biden not dropped out, we would've seen more accusations simply because it was becoming obvious he was ineligible (medically speaking).
It's not exclusively a partisan thing, either. Insider politics also play out during primaries. The Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbards, etc. The special role that media plays in the success of those campaigns is also controversial. Most people see primaries as symbolic given the voting numbers for them are so low. There's almost no coverage for non-establishment candidates and there's even less coverage of candidates at a lower position of government.
We almost never see such fanfare about Congressional losses though, unless it's one or two seats that determine the outcome. Otherwise, if the Democrats/Republicans got wiped out, they "got what they deserved" and the result is considered punitive. Everyone loves a good Congressional shellacking. People hate the 50/50, though. Just about everyone hopes for and expects a clear winner.
National politics on the whole is trash though, and there are many reasons to give it adequate side eye. All this is a result of how media driven national politics is by comparison to local races. At the local level, even though coverage is less, it's relatively good faith coverage by comparison, especially by newspapers and independent sources. Donations and ad space is what determines those more often than not (and thus whether their own party likes them...). At a higher level, it's what candidate can get the most views and hits the right talking points within the current national dialogue. In other words, does the media actually want to feature them?...
Gore's loss led to rigged speculations in FL. With Barack Obama, there was Birtherism which gave way to claims that he wasn't even eligible to run. When Trump won, people wanted to throw out the Electoral College, blamed a broken system and declared it wasn't democratic enough. Then there was the disputed results in 2020 where we still see court rulings, prosecutions and investigations to this day. 2024 is guaranteed to be more of the same. When a candidate is reelected, there's usually less dispute, but I think had Biden not dropped out, we would've seen more accusations simply because it was becoming obvious he was ineligible (medically speaking).
It's not exclusively a partisan thing, either. Insider politics also play out during primaries. The Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbards, etc. The special role that media plays in the success of those campaigns is also controversial. Most people see primaries as symbolic given the voting numbers for them are so low. There's almost no coverage for non-establishment candidates and there's even less coverage of candidates at a lower position of government.
We almost never see such fanfare about Congressional losses though, unless it's one or two seats that determine the outcome. Otherwise, if the Democrats/Republicans got wiped out, they "got what they deserved" and the result is considered punitive. Everyone loves a good Congressional shellacking. People hate the 50/50, though. Just about everyone hopes for and expects a clear winner.
National politics on the whole is trash though, and there are many reasons to give it adequate side eye. All this is a result of how media driven national politics is by comparison to local races. At the local level, even though coverage is less, it's relatively good faith coverage by comparison, especially by newspapers and independent sources. Donations and ad space is what determines those more often than not (and thus whether their own party likes them...). At a higher level, it's what candidate can get the most views and hits the right talking points within the current national dialogue. In other words, does the media actually want to feature them?...Tulsi Gabbard has stepped on board the Trump train. She knows what's going on, just like Robert Kennedy Jr.
You know that Robbie Kennedy jr is gonna be given the authority to the classified information of his father's and his Uncles assassinations, when you Americans do the right thing and vote Trump on a massive scale.
Mystic Mock
26-08-2024, 11:27 PM
Yeah, you agree that it's only rigged if Trump loses.
Watch as much of the video as you can. It's not just Trumps victory they denied.
Who else has been denied victory?
Mystic Mock
26-08-2024, 11:31 PM
But we don't want to talk about this, Alf. We just want to point out that "Orange man bad" like all the other obedient NPCs. Because that's all our masters on the television allow us to say"
I'm not afraid to go against the Media if I feel that their conduct is wrong.
But I just happen to agree with them on Trump.
Who else has been denied victory?
Stacy Abrams. Hillary Clinton. Al Gore.
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We are sore losers. :laugh: Our politics has always had crackpot theories floating around well before the internet became a major part of our discourse.
Mystic Mock
26-08-2024, 11:56 PM
Stacy Abrams. Hillary Clinton. Al Gore.
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We are sore losers. :laugh: Our politics has always had crackpot theories floating around well before the internet became a major part of our discourse.
I was thinking more based on evidence.:laugh:
But yeah people in general are sore losers, I know because I'm one of them.:joker:
I was thinking more based on evidence.:laugh:
But yeah people in general are sore losers, I know because I'm one of them.:joker:
Yeah, I don't understand the question then. :laugh:
I'm of the mind the system needs tighter regulations and more thorough transparency, but only because the managing of elections has become too political. I don't want Federal oversight though... that's just asking for corrupt elections.
Speaking of... as I was responding I got a text about elections. It's like "Can you answer a few questions." I check the survey and it asks if I'm a registered voter. I click yes, and it's like Oops, "The quota is filled for the option you selected. Have a nice day!"
Probably innocuous, but amusingly coincidental. They must be listening to my keyboard sounds and picking up the key presses and so on etc...
Mystic Mock
27-08-2024, 05:36 AM
Yeah, I don't understand the question then. :laugh:
I'm of the mind the system needs tighter regulations and more thorough transparency, but only because the managing of elections has become too political. I don't want Federal oversight though... that's just asking for corrupt elections.
Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.:laugh:
Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.
Nicky91
27-08-2024, 06:48 AM
Nasty Nicky.
All the Trump's love Jurassic Park, the Eurovison song contest and Strictly Come Dancing. And are all big fans of PSV and Fortuna Sittard.
doubt that
Trump fans love where the money is, fans of Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City, Qatar Airways, all those Millionaire Fairs in Dubai
Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.:laugh:
Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.
Al Gore lost to Bush because of the indentation on voting cards. That was contested in the Supreme court
Mystic Mock
27-08-2024, 06:59 AM
Al Gore lost to Bush because of the indentation on voting cards. That was contested in the Supreme court
That sounds absurd.:laugh:
But then it is America we're talking about.:hehe:
Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.:laugh:
Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.
I don't subscribe to the concept of a perfect system. Every election will have some problem. I just would prefer they be honest and transparent about it, instead of demonizing human error and the occasional bad egg. It only becomes systemic when ignored.
The chase for perfect politics has driven away all possibility for compromises and creative solutions because the ruling parties are penalized for even a basic perceived lack of perfection and thus it is assumed they lack good intuition. Subsequently, I strongly distrust any politician that suggests idealism is enough to craft good policy out of thin air.
I am on mobile so can't flesh out this point too much, but in short, we are dealing with the business of unicorn wrangling instead of searching for and crafting unique talent that can actually enact good policy. When there is nothing to show for it, this leads to ridiculous overpromising by respective parties and thus people vote not knowing any better what they are being sold because they are given too many contradictory choices. Increasingly neither party is allowed room to compromise on lack of perfection, so we stay on the same trajectory despite shifts in representation.
In striving for "perfect", we end up with either gridlock or politicians not caring because they are forced to pass 700-900 page omnibus bills, just to enact a will, which don't even address their main problem. And America goes back and forth between each party with little result despite the fact our thirst for an idealistic representation for America in the world has led us down this path. Thank God for the States, because if national actually ran more of the country in its current state, I'd imagine we would be more like the UK politically speaking where leaders keep changing but nothing progresses... (I'll take a few States out of 50 getting it right, because at least it is something to point at and say "That works!"... only for others to copy)
Al Gore lost to Bush because of the indentation on voting cards. That was contested in the Supreme court
That sounds absurd.:laugh:
But then it is America we're talking about.:hehe:
I am pleased to say in the entirity of the time I have been a voter (2 decades) that I have always voted electronically. Even if some poor hack mismanages my vote, it won't be because of my own foolishness or a paper issue :laugh:
All democratic political systems rely on participants acting in good faith. More often than not, this isn't the case anymore which is why democratic systems are failing and there is no going back
user104658
27-08-2024, 10:44 AM
There's a lot of talk here about candidates denying the legitimacy of wins and being sore losers - and that's probably true...
... However I've yet to see that -- other than with Trump -- result in claims that the loser actually won behind the scenes, was still in control of the military, and has secretly been pulling all the strings because "everything is actually going to plan!".
Its mad as a sack of cats.
The Trump stuff is totally dislocated from reality. There is no doubt that the dems are not perfect, but they are just not in the same league as the trump fantasy :laugh:
The latest is that trump is thinking of dropping Vance and appointing Kennedy as VP. It all just becomes more absurd by the day
Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.:laugh:
Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.Alf was talking about Democrats complaning that the election results were rigged and stolen on numerous occasions, but you only care when it was Trump saying it. And there's actually lots of evidence to back up his claim, like stopping the count for days. Boarding up the polling station windows. The fact Biden spent his all campaign in the basement whilst Trump had 3 to 4 packed out rallies daily.
user104658
27-08-2024, 04:25 PM
Alf was talking about Democrats complaning that the election results were rigged and stolen on numerous occasions, but you only care when it was Trump saying it. And there's actually lots of evidence to back up his claim, like stopping the count for days. Boarding up the polling station windows. The fact Biden spent his all campaign in the basement whilst Trump had 3 to 4 packed out rallies daily.
It's not about them (Trump included) SAYING it -- As Maru said, people (and Americans especially, or so it seems) are "sore losers" and defensive so his claims are not all that unusual, if childish and undignified.
The difference is that the Trump Truthers not only fully believe his claims, but in fact some go a whole leap further and construct elaborate fantasies about how he's secretly still in control and it's all been part of some grand plan to take down the system all along.
It's 100% reddit/social media fan-fiction.
James
27-08-2024, 05:20 PM
Donald Trump reviews Citizen Kane in 2002.
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The Trump stuff is totally dislocated from reality. There is no doubt that the dems are not perfect, but they are just not in the same league as the trump fantasy :laugh:
The latest is that trump is thinking of dropping Vance and appointing Kennedy as VP. It all just becomes more absurd by the day
Not really seeing this. Most political stuff I see is much more moderate than it used to be. Not really hearing conspiracies anymore. I don't watch cable news. It's garbage. I mean other than the Biden drop out it has felt more like a normal election by 2024 standards than it has felt in a long time. I don't see people being pressured like they were about who to vote whereas the past several cycles were just relentless. More people are like yeah I am voting for X... whatever sue me lol. I wouldn't be surprised if after the fact they poll and find out most had decided many many months ago.
Mystic Mock
27-08-2024, 10:37 PM
Alf was talking about Democrats complaning that the election results were rigged and stolen on numerous occasions, but you only care when it was Trump saying it. And there's actually lots of evidence to back up his claim, like stopping the count for days. Boarding up the polling station windows. The fact Biden spent his all campaign in the basement whilst Trump had 3 to 4 packed out rallies daily.
Did the Democrats rile up their vote base to the point that they try to storm Capitol Hill?
Dr. Phil interviewed him.
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Did the Democrats rile up their vote base to the point that they try to storm Capitol Hill?Not the Capitol building, although I'd have to check to be sure, but yes they did and still do.
And Trump didn't do that. Do you want me to show you again? Or will you still parrot the television even after seeing?
Glenn.
29-08-2024, 10:38 AM
Brain dead
user104658
29-08-2024, 10:53 AM
Dr. Phil interviewed him.
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Why is Dr Phil posing as a serious political journalist these days? Is pretending to be a licenced psychologist to make money from bullying 12-year-old girls on telly no longer a money-maker? "Aww shucks they don't want to see me shouting down children any more, I guess I gotta jerk off the Trump stans."
Liam-
29-08-2024, 11:02 AM
Why is Dr Phil posing as a serious political journalist these days? Is pretending to be a licenced psychologist to make money from bullying 12-year-old girls on telly no longer a money-maker? "Aww shucks they don't want to see me shouting down children any more, I guess I gotta jerk off the Trump stans."
The exponentially richer Jeremy Kyle
user104658
29-08-2024, 11:10 AM
The exponentially richer Jeremy Kyle
One of the few faint glimmers of humanity in this country was when people realised that Kyle's brand of poverty-bullying-for-profit was a step too far and his show was taken off air. Just unfortunate that he didn't go with it.
Nicky91
29-08-2024, 12:22 PM
well honestly, Dr Phil grew up on the streets in a cardboard box, let's not criticize the poor man too much
user104658
29-08-2024, 02:32 PM
well honestly, Dr Phil grew up on the streets in a cardboard box, let's not criticize the poor man too much
And that's why he made a name for himself shouting at little girls from broken homes for his own profit? :think:
Ok. I've heard this more than a few times now. People, when trying to discuss how Trump was "assassinated--I mean!... attempted assasination!".. it comes up during discussion casually and then people keep making the exact same mistake.
Pretty sad that subconsciously so many people were expecting it that their brains have to continuously reprocess the fact he's still with us.
Edit: FWIW, people irl are doing it too.
trump made a pretty horrendous comment about Hilary and Kamala and how blow jobs affected their careers. It's pretty sad that writing that trash has been normalised by him
trump made a pretty horrendous comment about Hilary and Kamala and how blow jobs affected their careers. It's pretty sad that writing that trash has been normalised by him
This kind of crass humor has always been part of our political scenery. Especially during Clinton era. Have you never seen American bumper stickers? There's some vulgar ones in town which a short drive away leans very progressive. :laugh: So he specifically hasn't normalized it. Remember JD Vance and the couch? Both the blow job reference and this one were actually very tame.
If you ever go around places where people put up funny political humor and signage posted, it's very normal to see sexual references about politicians. The kind of humor that doesn't shy away from making them the butt of the joke (sometimes literally).
If you go to DC in front of Congress, you may even see it. People go for maximum effect with these things. DC has some "fun" characters that park out front with their vans, usually with all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense and other crazy politics, from all over the spectrum. Not things you would see in the mainstream, but also other vulgar items that they either sell or just for display just for the sake of making fun of politicians. Some people take their Freedom of Speech very seriously and that means driving around in vehicles, caked in decals and other offensive media, just to drive a stake into what they see as an overly aggressive, but failed, political machine. Closest example nearer to home would be "cowboy humor". There's the family friendly version and the kind that you would really need a thicker skin to withstand.
Anyway, what the media portrays is their own version of things, whatever that ends up being. Not everything is "unprecedented". That word gets tossed around too much, when it's almost never actually true.
Edit: If I ever get a chance to go somewhere with stuff posted, I'll get pictures, because it's a different world of humor and actually something worth documenting.
This kind of crass humor has always been part of our political scenery. Especially during Clinton era. Have you never seen American bumper stickers? There's some vulgar ones in town which a short drive away leans very progressive. :laugh: So he specifically hasn't normalized it. Remember JD Vance and the couch? Both the blow job reference and this one were actually very tame.
If you ever go around places where people put up funny political humor and signage posted, it's very normal to see sexual references about politicians. The kind of humor that doesn't shy away from making them the butt of the joke (sometimes literally).
If you go to DC in front of Congress, you may even see it. People go for maximum effect with these things. DC has some "fun" characters that park out front with their vans, usually with all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense and other crazy politics, from all over the spectrum. Not things you would see in the mainstream, but also other vulgar items that they either sell or just for display just for the sake of making fun of politicians. Some people take their Freedom of Speech very seriously and that means driving around in vehicles, caked in decals and other offensive media, just to drive a stake into what they see as an overly aggressive, but failed, political machine. Closest example nearer to home would be "cowboy humor". There's the family friendly version and the kind that you would really need a thicker skin to withstand.
Anyway, what the media portrays is their own version of things, whatever that ends up being. Not everything is "unprecedented". That word gets tossed around too much, when it's almost never actually true.
Edit: If I ever get a chance to go somewhere with stuff posted, I'll get pictures, because it's a different world of humor and actually something worth documenting.
that would just not be done here, certainly not so directly :laugh:
I think the worse we had here was David Cameron and how he porked a pigs head. There were lots of references to ham and bacon ..... but really nothing detailed :laugh:
that would just not be done here, certainly not so directly :laugh:
I think the worse we had here was David Cameron and how he porked a pigs head. There were lots of references to ham and bacon ..... but really nothing detailed :laugh:
I don't know what that means, but it sounds funnier because it sounds so tame :laugh: Is this like American pie?
I don't know what that means, but it sounds funnier because it sounds so tame :laugh: Is this like American pie?
he put his willy in the pigs mouth :laugh:
arista
30-08-2024, 01:18 PM
Yesterday
Trump at a Rally
stated a new measure
all wanting IVF will be Free,
their insurance will pay for it.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/30/donald-trump-pledges-free-ivf-for-women-criticises-six-week-abortion-ban
Nicky91
30-08-2024, 01:42 PM
trump made a pretty horrendous comment about Hilary and Kamala and how blow jobs affected their careers. It's pretty sad that writing that trash has been normalised by him
i mean he grabs women by the pussy and says the most inappropriate things about his daughter when she was born
and not to forget him having been friends with the notorious rapist and creep Epstein
arista
30-08-2024, 03:37 PM
Dana Bash has asked
Trump and Vance
to also do an interview for CNN HD
Yesterday
Trump at a Rally
stated a new measure
all wanting IVF will be Free,
their insurance will pay for it.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/30/donald-trump-pledges-free-ivf-for-women-criticises-six-week-abortion-ban
Sigh. It'll raise insurance rates, but, we really do need to think about the birth rate with all the other entitlements we are taking on :laugh: I do think we need more people starting families in general, but our public schools are declining and the cost/quality of daycare in general is not very good. Some of that could be blamed on COVID but not anymore.
Dana Bash has asked
Trump and Vance
to also do an interview for CNN HD
I couldn't even get through the first one. It just solidified my thinking that Cable News doesn't really belong in a serious space when it comes to politics, especially anything Presidential. It used to be these were carried by network news.
arista
31-08-2024, 02:13 PM
From CNN HD USA
More Young Men are backing Trump
lmao... finally something political I can laugh at without feeling immediate pain afterward... it's so passive aggressive
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Edit: I don't know if they have these ads in the UK, but the lady is chatting to the viewer like a narrator from a pharmaceutical commercial. The Cable news channels are packed with AARP and medical/pharmaceutical ads :laugh: Those ads are all awful.
arista
01-09-2024, 07:04 AM
lmao... finally something political I can laugh at without feeling immediate pain afterward... it's so passive aggressive
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Edit: I don't know if they have these ads in the UK, but the lady is chatting to the viewer like a narrator from a pharmaceutical commercial. The Cable news channels are packed with AARP and medical/pharmaceutical ads :laugh: Those ads are all awful.
No, that would not be permitted in the UK
You have to play it on
you tube, to watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4hOzAeXHxM
No, that would not be permitted in the UK
You have to play it on
you tube, to watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4hOzAeXHxM
Oh, I meant the pharmaceutical commercials, but that's also interesting :laugh:
The commercials in many ways gives the true impression of where the Cable news demographic are tailored towards. Fox News, in particular, it's an older demographic so there are more "longevity"-focused ads. It's all Medicare, life insurance, here's a new drug to try, did you get sick from this drug you just tried... here's a great lawyer you can call... erectile dysfunction. One of the gold people (Birch, probably) advertises with them. Can't sleep due to the over consumption of news media? There's a pillow for that, etc. All very reassuring information. (The other channels have these ads too)
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Edit: BTW, this ad would not air on TV outside of being played during a broadcast, but I think it's only a matter of time before political ads become more passive aggressive towards the opposition.
Oh, I meant the pharmaceutical commercials, but that's also interesting :laugh:
The commercials in many ways gives the true impression of where the Cable news demographic are tailored towards. Fox News, in particular, it's an older demographic so there are more "longevity"-focused ads. It's all Medicare, life insurance, here's a new drug to try, did you get sick from this drug you just tried... here's a great lawyer you can call... erectile dysfunction. One of the gold people (Birch, probably) advertises with them. Can't sleep due to the over consumption of news media? There's a pillow for that, etc. All very reassuring information. (The other channels have these ads too)
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Edit: BTW, this ad would not air on TV outside of being played during a broadcast, but I think it's only a matter of time before political ads become more passive aggressive towards the opposition.
We only get adverts for non prescription drugs on TV because the public get our drugs via the NHS. Many, like me, get all their prescriptions for free. Private health insurance is also a luxury that nobody here really needs and is only useful for short term treatments
Less than two months ago they tried to assassinate the former President and current Presidential candidate.
They've made you try to forget about it because their attempt failed.
You need to deep dive into this the way you'd deep dive into the assassination of Kennedy.
This is not a minor incident, it's huge.
Even darts walk on girls get more of your attention. That's really crazy when you put it into perspective.
user104658
01-09-2024, 10:43 PM
Less than two months ago they tried to assassinate the former President and current Presidential candidate.
They've made you try to forget about it because their attempt failed.
You need to deep dive into this the way you'd deep dive into the assassination of Kennedy.
This is not a minor incident, it's huge.
Even darts walk on girls get more of your attention. That's really crazy when you put it into perspective.
We're not from the US, Alf... This isn't our politics? It feels like you've lost sight of that, Trump isn't, has never been and will never be your president. US politics is interesting there's no doubt about that, it's fascinating, and yes it affects the whole world for obvious reasons, but expecting non-Americans to have it at the top of their priority list at all times is a bit odd. You can't expect people to be as interested in your personal/special interest as you are.
Glenn wanted a post in the Trump thread.
I'm always obliging.
So here is the so-called current President Biden putting on the MAGA hat on the anniversary of 9/11
1833981595356631333
14 years before he got into the Political race and he's always been the same. His respect for the working people was there then just as it is now.
That's who he's always represented.
No Political speak, just honest from the heart speak. Same as he is now.
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Vindicating Trump, trailer.
I hope our cinema's are showing it. I doubt it, but it would be a positive for the dying cinema industry if they did.
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Glenn.
12-09-2024, 04:30 PM
1833958996878807174?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ
Love these videos
Ridiculous demands he is making. I think just don't do it. Independents don't want to sit through an event that's just for vanity purposes.
https://youtu.be/6sb65c3bZ2E?si=ngquGIKUwgh72F2r&t=138
he hit all the points that his maga crowd wanted him to hit, but the purpose was to attract undecided's to his fold and Kamala won that objective hands down. The more progressive dems were squirming at some of the stuff Kamala was saying and thats how we know she hit the right demographic
I don't think anyone wants another debate, it's all mind games
The Slim Reaper
13-09-2024, 12:32 AM
he hit all the points that his maga crowd wanted him to hit, but the purpose was to attract undecided's to his fold and Kamala won that objective hands down. The more progressive dems were squirming at some of the stuff Kamala was saying and thats how we know she hit the right demographic
I don't think anyone wants another debate, it's all mind games
Centrism always aligns itself with right wing politics, and lays the ground for the far right. Kamala needs young people, because everyone knows who trump is at this point, but alienating young people is what will cost her this election.
Trump looked like a beaten man in his press conference today
He's so good because he just tells you the facts.
Honesty is the best policy.
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Trump looked like a beaten man in his press conference today
He has these slow conferences that are difficult to listen to where it just drags on... no idea who watches these.
Tuning into rally while I do some system clean up and as I soon as it's on... the guy starts reading a Birch Gold ad... text "TRUMP", etc
lol Trump just made up an alternative version of the hat incident... according to him, the guy ordered Biden to put the hat on... no he didn't lol. Biden asked him for it.
arista
14-09-2024, 02:58 PM
lol Trump just made up an alternative version of the hat incident... according to him, the guy ordered Biden to put the hat on... no he didn't lol. Biden asked him for it.
Very True as you posted the Video
Was still streaming yesterday so I couldn't easily timestamp it.
I wonder how that supporter feels that he said "he was a little rough" with Biden and ordering him to put the Trump hat on. Rather, it was a very normal exchange between two people who come from a similar age.
https://www.youtube.com/live/Sv8HjnLGIiE?si=xz_cm60Jh9oOpmbz&t=412
this is where politics has gone bad. A simple moment, and the trump campaign weaponised it. However, it really shows Biden was a man for a different time
arista
15-09-2024, 01:30 AM
Warning: Shocking Video
Idaho
In a Garden someone Roasting a dead dog
legs cut off
https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1835020065722581191
Warning: Shocking Video
Idaho
In a Garden someone Roasting a dead dog
legs cut off
https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1835020065722581191
I sacrificed for the team.
Supposedly lamb according to one of the comments. I did search to see what it might look like (it indeed does look a lot like this, the skeletal/skull structure), but honestly, I take things like this with a grain of salt. I've never seen a dog roasted, so how would I know what it looks like?... not easy to verify. I trust my own experience and experience has taught me to be extra careful with the details and while it's a relatively clear video, I'm not a vet or a biologist, so I'm afraid can't tell immediately what kind of mammal it is... it makes sense if it's a lamb. Besides, wasn't the claim people were eating animals raw?
I'm just as sad for a lamb as I would feel for a poor pup.
Jordan.
15-09-2024, 02:09 AM
Warning: Shocking Video
Idaho
In a Garden someone Roasting a dead dog
legs cut off
https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1835020065722581191
What vault was this old ass camcorder footage dug up from
arista
15-09-2024, 02:25 AM
I sacrificed for the team.
Supposedly lamb according to one of the comments. I did search to see what it might look like (it indeed does look a lot like this, the skeletal/skull structure), but honestly, I take things like this with a grain of salt. I've never seen a dog roasted, so how would I know what it looks like?... not easy to verify. I trust my own experience and experience has taught me to be extra careful with the details and while it's a relatively clear video, I'm not a vet or a biologist, so I'm afraid can't tell immediately what kind of mammal it is... it makes sense if it's a lamb. Besides, wasn't the claim people were eating animals raw?
I'm just as sad for a lamb as I would feel for a poor pup.
The Tail
tells you it was a dog
arista
15-09-2024, 07:44 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXQ2u7pWsAAebLQ?format=jpg&name=900x900
arista
15-09-2024, 07:45 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXPrKDEXwAAd2T6?format=jpg&name=small
arista
15-09-2024, 04:30 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/15/01/89686437-0-image-a-2_1726359041416.jpg
Parmy
15-09-2024, 07:00 PM
They missed him again.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/15/01/89686437-0-image-a-2_1726359041416.jpgI love animals, but I don’t want to be outraged by this because the TV told me it was a Trump conspiracy theory. And people might think I'm racist if I am angered at an illegal invader. So I'll keep quiet on this animal cruelty.
Show me some animal cruelty from a White person, then I'll voice my opinion.
But I definitely am an animal lover. You have to believe me on that. I tell you often enough.
The Democrats are still trying to beat Trump in the only way they know how to win.
Actually "The Democrats" is wrong. It's the Deep state.
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Just to let you know. They tried another assassination attempt on Trump today on the Golf course.
**** me, another trump assassination attempt
Former President Donald Trump is safe following gunshots "in his vicinity", his campaign said, after an incident took place near his Florida golf club on Sunday.
Secret Service agents saw a man pointing a rifle at the golf course where Trump was apparently located at the time, law enforcement sources told the BBC's US partner CBS News.
Agents fired multiple times at the suspect, who tried to run away, the sources said, adding that a suspect is now in custody and a weapon has been recovered.
In an email to his supporters, Trump said he was "safe and well".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rllnd1pypo
Liam-
15-09-2024, 09:08 PM
It wasn’t an assassination attempt :joker:
Oliver_W
15-09-2024, 09:24 PM
It wasn’t an assassination attempt :joker:
What was it?
What was it?
Someone was just innocently walking on Trumps golf course with an AK 47 and a go pro cam, obviously just there for a day out
This is big.
Why can't the just, play fair and stop being corrupt fascists?
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arista
15-09-2024, 10:50 PM
It wasn’t an assassination attempt :joker:
[FBI investigating 'apparent assassination
attempt' on Donald Trump
Officers found an AK-47-style rifle,
two rucksacks and a GoPro camera near to where
the suspect was spotted on the perimeter
of the Trump International Golf Course
in West Palm Beach.]
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-rushed-to-safety-after-gunshots-heard-near-his-florida-golf-course-13215905
arista
15-09-2024, 10:52 PM
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-4ab0f6d6-5804-4abe-99f3-79d606aec668.png
arista
15-09-2024, 11:01 PM
They missed him again.
Lucky Dip.
arista
15-09-2024, 11:24 PM
The Shooter
is White and aged 60.
arista
16-09-2024, 01:06 AM
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f99c2374-9dbd-4b17-a884-4c53bac0ac8b.png
arista
16-09-2024, 01:14 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/16/00/89710129-0-image-m-20_1726444731166.jpg
arista
16-09-2024, 01:22 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/16/01/89710175-13853645-image-a-37_1726445392820.jpg
[Now-deleted Facebook profile of Ryan Routh,58
who tried to shoot Donald Trump
at one of his Florida golf courses]
arista
16-09-2024, 02:02 AM
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-78fdd45c-6938-44a7-bb9e-eb278414ff7e.png
Mystic Mock
16-09-2024, 04:35 AM
They missed him again.
They're more off target than Spurs during the Arsenal match yesterday.
Mystic Mock
16-09-2024, 04:38 AM
It wasn’t an assassination attempt :joker:
Admittedly I am also suspicious about this attempt.
But if I do take it at face value, it isn't a good look for the Democrat voters.
I did see some information before it was taken down..
https://i.postimg.cc/63bJ29tr/image.jpg
The would-be shooter purports to be recruiter for Ukraine. The post above is supposed to be from his FB (you can see his picture under the American flag). Note there's also a seemingly random reference to Taipei in the top right... Google "Taipei 228 Memorial" and it produces interesting results. I'm not convinced he's all that he claims. His political postings are all over the place and yet he's still attached enough to reality that he's capable of taking action on his views. All that said, this isn't the actions of someone whose one man army has been going very well, so someone with something to prove maybe...
Interestingly, NYT claims they interviewed him in the past:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/us/politics/trump-shooting-suspect-routh.html
Mr. Routh, a former roofing contractor from Greensboro, N.C., was interviewed by The New York Times in 2023 for an article about Americans volunteering to aid the war effort in Ukraine. Mr. Routh, who had no military experience, said he had traveled to the country after Russia’s invasion and wanted to recruit Afghan soldiers to fight there.
From this article (paywalled, but I'm pasting contents here):
Volunteers trained Ukrainian soldiers last year as part of the Mozart Group, which two former Marines established to help Ukraine. It disbanded after one founder sued the other, alleging theft and harassment.Credit...Laura Boushnak for The New York Times
Justin Scheck and Thomas Gibbons-Neff
Justin Scheck, an international investigative reporter, and Thomas Gibbons-Neff, the Ukraine correspondent, reported this article from Ukraine and around Europe.
Published March 25, 2023Updated June 24, 2023
Want to stay updated on what’s happening in Russia and Ukraine? , and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox.
They rushed to Ukraine by the thousands, many of them Americans who promised to bring military experience, money or supplies to the battleground of a righteous war. Hometown newspapers hailed their commitment, and donors backed them with millions of dollars.
Now, after a year of combat, many of these homespun groups of volunteers are fighting with themselves and undermining the war effort. Some have wasted money or stolen valor. Others have cloaked themselves in charity while also trying to profit off the war, records show.
One retired Marine lieutenant colonel from Virginia is the focus of a U.S. federal investigation into the potentially illegal export of military technology. A former Army soldier arrived in Ukraine only to turn traitor and defect to Russia. A Connecticut man who lied about his military service has posted live updates from the battlefield — including his exact location — and boasted about his easy access to American weapons. A former construction worker is hatching a plan to use fake passports to smuggle in fighters from Pakistan and Iran.
And in one of the more curious entanglements, one of the largest volunteer groups is embroiled in a power struggle involving an Ohio man who falsely claimed to have been both a U.S. Marine and a LongHorn Steakhouse assistant manager. The dispute also involves a years-old incident on Australian reality TV.
Such characters have a place in Ukraine’s defense because of the arms-length role the United States has taken: The Biden administration sends weapons and money but not professional troops. That means people who would not be allowed anywhere near the battlefield in a U.S.-led war are active on the Ukrainian front — often with unchecked access to weapons and military equipment.
Many of the volunteers who hurried to Ukraine did so selflessly and acted with heroism. Some have lost their lives. Foreigners have rescued civilians, aided the wounded and fought ferociously alongside Ukrainians. Others raised money for crucial supplies.
Subscribe to The Times to read as many articles as you like.
A version of this article appears in print on March 26, 2023, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Volunteers Add to Chaos On Battlefield.
Tweets with the same phone # displayed above:
https://i.postimg.cc/SxBcn0v2/weirdo.jpg
His reply section on his X account (his activity) was very recently active (before his acct was killed off) and he @'s everyone it seems... anyone willing to listen, but only users of actual importance, because of course...
Ever since the debate, the rhetoric has gotten worse, so not surprising it incentivizes the crazies to act and make themselves a focal point to separate themselves from the rest of the noise... they did get him alive, which is rare... so maybe needed answers will eventually come of that.
Re: NYT Article; Contract mercenaries are a thing. Some people leave the military and they go that route and the US govt benefits because they don't have any involvement with the dirtier aspects. We know someone who used to be in the field, but it's common knowledge. The military is one part of a big industry... a sad one.
As to whether political violence is acceptable, it's never acceptable, regardless of which party or candidate it targets... before this happened, I was saddened to see some of the directions posts and threads were going. I think it's fine to ask questions and to speculate, but there really does seem to be a thirst among some for a "something" to happen, like it's a form of entertainment... and indeed, something did.
There is fear, division and hate being stoked up. Trump and his cronies were at it all last week. Did anyone really think everything was going to go peacefully and quietly. Violence could erupt at any moment
Liam-
16-09-2024, 09:35 AM
It’s just convenient that someone ‘tried to kill’ him the day his vp pick declares to the world that if they need to, they’ll make up stories to grab the attention of the country, Harris reaches 50% in the polls, Trump has a meltdown over Swift and it’s revealed that schools in Springfield are being shut down and going virtual because of the bomb threats being received off the back of the lies being spread about Haitians, it’s one mighty big distraction when they very handily needed one
Liam-
16-09-2024, 09:44 AM
Admittedly I am also suspicious about this attempt.
But if I do take it at face value, it isn't a good look for the Democrat voters.
It’s not a good look for democrat voters that republicans keep trying to ‘kill’ Donald Trump?
Parmy
16-09-2024, 10:03 AM
It’s not a good look for democrat voters that republicans keep trying to ‘kill’ Donald Trump?
Routh..
.
Campaign finance records show Routh has made 19 small political donations totalling around $140 (£106) since 2019 to ActBlue, a political action committee that supports Democratic candidates.
Parmy
16-09-2024, 10:23 AM
It’s just convenient that someone ‘tried to kill’ him the day his vp pick declares to the world that if they need to, they’ll make up stories to grab the attention of the country, Harris reaches 50% in the polls, Trump has a meltdown over Swift and it’s revealed that schools in Springfield are being shut down and going virtual because of the bomb threats being received off the back of the lies being spread about Haitians, it’s one mighty big distraction when they very handily needed one
What's convenient is a Democrat supporter can travel 650 miles from North Carolina to Florida, find one if trumps golf courses, hide, and then be lucky enough to do that on a day hes golfing there...very strange set of circumstances that, if you ask me.
its going to be the norm the way everything is being stoked up, actions have consequences
I did see some information before it was taken down..
https://i.postimg.cc/63bJ29tr/image.jpg
The would-be shooter purports to be recruiter for Ukraine. The post above is supposed to be from his FB (you can see his picture under the American flag). Note there's also a seemingly random reference to Taipei in the top right... Google "Taipei 228 Memorial" and it produces interesting results. I'm not convinced he's all that he claims. His political postings are all over the place and yet he's still attached enough to reality that he's capable of taking action on his views. All that said, this isn't the actions of someone whose one man army has been going very well, so someone with something to prove maybe...
Interestingly, NYT claims they interviewed him in the past:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/us/politics/trump-shooting-suspect-routh.html
From this article (paywalled, but I'm pasting contents here):
Volunteers trained Ukrainian soldiers last year as part of the Mozart Group, which two former Marines established to help Ukraine. It disbanded after one founder sued the other, alleging theft and harassment.Credit...Laura Boushnak for The New York Times
Justin Scheck and Thomas Gibbons-Neff
Justin Scheck, an international investigative reporter, and Thomas Gibbons-Neff, the Ukraine correspondent, reported this article from Ukraine and around Europe.
Published March 25, 2023Updated June 24, 2023
Want to stay updated on what’s happening in Russia and Ukraine? , and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox.
They rushed to Ukraine by the thousands, many of them Americans who promised to bring military experience, money or supplies to the battleground of a righteous war. Hometown newspapers hailed their commitment, and donors backed them with millions of dollars.
Now, after a year of combat, many of these homespun groups of volunteers are fighting with themselves and undermining the war effort. Some have wasted money or stolen valor. Others have cloaked themselves in charity while also trying to profit off the war, records show.
One retired Marine lieutenant colonel from Virginia is the focus of a U.S. federal investigation into the potentially illegal export of military technology. A former Army soldier arrived in Ukraine only to turn traitor and defect to Russia. A Connecticut man who lied about his military service has posted live updates from the battlefield — including his exact location — and boasted about his easy access to American weapons. A former construction worker is hatching a plan to use fake passports to smuggle in fighters from Pakistan and Iran.
And in one of the more curious entanglements, one of the largest volunteer groups is embroiled in a power struggle involving an Ohio man who falsely claimed to have been both a U.S. Marine and a LongHorn Steakhouse assistant manager. The dispute also involves a years-old incident on Australian reality TV.
Such characters have a place in Ukraine’s defense because of the arms-length role the United States has taken: The Biden administration sends weapons and money but not professional troops. That means people who would not be allowed anywhere near the battlefield in a U.S.-led war are active on the Ukrainian front — often with unchecked access to weapons and military equipment.
Many of the volunteers who hurried to Ukraine did so selflessly and acted with heroism. Some have lost their lives. Foreigners have rescued civilians, aided the wounded and fought ferociously alongside Ukrainians. Others raised money for crucial supplies.
Subscribe to The Times to read as many articles as you like.
A version of this article appears in print on March 26, 2023, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Volunteers Add to Chaos On Battlefield.
Tweets with the same phone # displayed above:
https://i.postimg.cc/SxBcn0v2/weirdo.jpg
His reply section on his X account (his activity) was very recently active (before his acct was killed off) and he @'s everyone it seems... anyone willing to listen, but only users of actual importance, because of course...
Ever since the debate, the rhetoric has gotten worse, so not surprising it incentivizes the crazies to act and make themselves a focal point to separate themselves from the rest of the noise... they did get him alive, which is rare... so maybe needed answers will eventually come of that.
Re: NYT Article; Contract mercenaries are a thing. Some people leave the military and they go that route and the US govt benefits because they don't have any involvement with the dirtier aspects. We know someone who used to be in the field, but it's common knowledge. The military is one part of a big industry... a sad one.
As to whether political violence is acceptable, it's never acceptable, regardless of which party or candidate it targets... before this happened, I was saddened to see some of the directions posts and threads were going. I think it's fine to ask questions and to speculate, but there really does seem to be a thirst among some for a "something" to happen, like it's a form of entertainment... and indeed, something did.
He sounds like a bit of a fantasist tbh
arista
16-09-2024, 01:02 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXkblKIbEAA7zcN?format=jpg&name=small
Because the FBI and Police
were given the details of the Car he was in
with a sticker on it.
The Police soon caught up,
with him
as he was driving off.
Photo from X
As he was arrested and put in the
Police Car
arista
16-09-2024, 03:11 PM
Joe Biden has now stated
Congress needs to approve more staff
at the Secret Service
He said that
just before taking a flight.
Ref: CNN HD USA Live Feed
on the BBC
There’s been a lot of speculation online about Ryan Routh’s political leanings and in particular his alleged links to Ukraine.
Here’s what we know so far - Ryan Routh spent some time in Ukraine following Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. We’ve put pictures he posted on his own social media accounts through a facial recognition tool and identified him attending at least one event in Kyiv in support of Ukraine.
A blog post about the war published at the time also identified Routh as "an American in his 50s who left his family and job behind to volunteer in Ukraine", along with a picture that bears a strong resemblance to him.
Speaking to Newsweek Romania in 2022,, external Routh said he first came to Ukraine to fight, but was rejected due to his age – then 56 – and lack of combat experience.
He then stayed to help get donations and attract volunteers. Routh told Newsweek that he was working with the International Legion – a Ukrainian military unit that is comprised of foreign volunteers.
However, the Legion told the BBC that "Ryan Wesley Routh has never been part of, associated with, or linked to the International Legion in any capacity… Any claims or suggestions indicating otherwise are entirely inaccurate."
Gusto Brunt
16-09-2024, 04:35 PM
I fear 'third time lucky.' :(
He sounds like a bit of a fantasist tbh
Yes and no? He's been in and out of the media quite a bit across his life it seems. Some innocuous things as well. There's a thread archiving (https://x.com/SomeBitchIIKnow/status/1835452042019475835) a lot of content here (including his FB).
Some of his appearances in media (there's been more..):
https://i.postimg.cc/HxGVHMsf/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Xv6bYkdc/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/15V2VN9W/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/WbrjLyJb/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/vBpj0Qh7/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fb1BN8dD/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fyPxcLvZ/Screenshot-2024-09-16-095920.jpg
A warning that was posted about him on X back in June:
https://i.postimg.cc/fyPxcLvZ/Screenshot-2024-09-16-095920.jpg
There was another thread as well that was linked in that archive that I didn't screen before... basically, he tried to join some legion (it seems like in Ukraine), but they described him in good detail before the information started leaking saying they had rejected him from their unit because he appeared to have mental deficiencies.
I don't know why they bother to scrub as people started archiving as soon as his name was out (I'm surprised how quickly). I guess to keep things from being shared too far and wide and getting out of hand in the immediate aftermath, but imo, having light shed on this individual is beneficial in the sense we see it for what he is... it's harder to make up conspiracies if the information is not being hidden.
There's a picture of one of his homes in one of the media snippets from long ago...
Crimson Dynamo
16-09-2024, 05:19 PM
the attempted assassin was a Kamala Harris supporter
:rolleyes:
Oliver_W
16-09-2024, 05:36 PM
the attempted assassin was a Kamala Harris supporter
:rolleyes:
So not a Trump supporter, then?
basically, someone who wasn't exactly free from mental issues
Parmy
16-09-2024, 07:20 PM
What's convenient is a Democrat supporter can travel 650 miles from North Carolina to Florida, find one if trumps golf courses, hide, and then be lucky enough to do that on a day hes golfing there...very strange set of circumstances that, if you ask me.
Local police agree with me.
https://youtu.be/UvhEZ3R59hE?si=wab6oM0Ualii8i3s
Liam-
16-09-2024, 10:37 PM
https://twitter.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1835780949583523990?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ
So not an assassination attempt
it was a foiled attempt. The intent was certainly there. As it happens, the guy voted for trump in 2016 and 2020, so make of that what you will
GoldHeart
16-09-2024, 11:14 PM
Someone was just innocently walking on Trumps golf course with an AK 47 and a go pro cam, obviously just there for a day out
Oh naturally ...as you do
Mystic Mock
17-09-2024, 01:21 AM
It’s not a good look for democrat voters that republicans keep trying to ‘kill’ Donald Trump?
Has it been confirmed that the shooter is Republican?
Because the first one was a Democrat, but a former Republican.
Mystic Mock
17-09-2024, 01:22 AM
He sounds like a bit of a fantasist tbh
A narcissist more like.
It doesn't seem like they're affiliated with a party, as if their political ideology could be boiled down to simple common sense. I don't know that that is possible without him explicit stating "I affiliate with X", other than a specific candidate. He seems to be an Independent. They did latch onto the "Democracy is on the ballot" stuff when talking towards Kamala on X, but they spoke to all kinds of people. It was all over the place. I wouldn't be shocked if his actions were related to his views with Ukraine. It would be interesting to learn the point in which they began to be radicalized, how it started, etc... but we all know it started with being crazy and thirsting for being some kind of hero..
What I want to know is how he ended up with a full auto at any point in his life and is still walking the streets. Those are not at all common lol. That's where I can see a conspiracy occurring, because it's not at all normal to have a full auto anything in our homes... those are true weapons of war and not something a person would have unless maybe they're running some kind of military museum, have military links (this is where the conspiracies can begin...) or otherwise are in the business of arming others. It was in 2002, but that should've put him on some kind of list from that point on... and yet he was able to fly in and out of the country, move to Hawaii and visit all these places after that... and there's no questions being asked about potential terror links??... normally the media jumps when anything auto weapon is even mentioned.
Records show Routh’s legal issues go back to the 1990s, including a variety of felonies and misdemeanours, including numerous charges for stolen goods.
He was charged and convicted of numerous felony offences in Guilford County in North Carolina between 2002 and 2010, according to online records.
In 2002, he was charged for possession of a fully automatic machine gun, which was referred to in court filings as a "weapon of mass destruction".
A local newspaper report from the time noted that he barricaded himself in a business and had a three-hour stand-off with police officers in the town of Greensboro before being taken into custody.
Again, this is not something that one can just go into a shop and buy. It's not something one can find in the streets easily, either. It has to be gotten through very specific means... it's not actually legal to own that here (since 1986), without specific links and credentials.
i think the fact that a swat team was called out to deal with him in the early 2000's is a bit of a red flag
i think the fact that a swat team was called out to deal with him in the early 2000's is a bit of a red flag
But according to his son, he's never owned a gun or had anything more than a traffic ticket... he must be a superhero by night or something.
But according to his son, he's never owned a gun or had anything more than a traffic ticket... he must be a superhero by night or something.
politics in the early 2000's was relatively calm and normal, so thats not an excuse either :laugh:
Liam-
17-09-2024, 09:17 AM
Has it been confirmed that the shooter is Republican?
Because the first one was a Democrat, but a former Republican.
Both were registered republicans
Crimson Dynamo
17-09-2024, 09:42 AM
Donald Trump has recounted the second attempt on his life for the first time,
saying he was playing golf with friends at his Florida course on Sunday when
they heard “shots being fired in the air”.
“The Secret Service knew immediately it was bullets,” he said, during an
interview on X
JD Vance has blamed Democrats and Trump critics for “ridiculous and
inflammatory political rhetoric” and vowed to “do (his) part” to tone it down,
following Trump’s second attempted assassination.
He said Democrats cannot call Trump a “threat to democracy” and “a fascist”
nd expect that violence would not follow, because “some crazy person”
decides “to take matters into their own hands”.
Parmy
17-09-2024, 10:00 AM
Both were registered republicans
Simply untrue
Mystic Mock
18-09-2024, 03:37 AM
Simply untrue
I don't know about the second shooter.
But I know that the first one was a Republican at some point, but became a Democrat voter over time.
He was really probably a Republicans Against Trump person at heart.
arista
18-09-2024, 03:42 AM
Mondays and Tuesdays Front Pages NYC.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXk9fRqXkAEnwJ-?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXp-JPdWAAAiCan?format=jpg&name=small
Parmy
18-09-2024, 07:48 AM
I don't know about the second shooter.
But I know that the first one was a Republican at some point, but became a Democrat voter over time.
He was really probably a Republicans Against Trump person at heart.
Or a Democrat supporter seeing as he voted for them.:shrug:
Mystic Mock
18-09-2024, 08:29 AM
Or a Democrat supporter seeing as he voted for them.:shrug:
I'm just hazarding a guess as to why he went away from being a Republican voter, as after all there has to have been a reason for the sudden change in his worldview.
Oliver_W
18-09-2024, 08:44 AM
Donald Trump has recounted the second attempt on his life for the first time,
saying he was playing golf with friends at his Florida course on Sunday when
they heard “shots being fired in the air”.
“The Secret Service knew immediately it was bullets,”
As opposed to what? Grapes?
Liam-
18-09-2024, 09:51 AM
I don't know about the second shooter.
But I know that the first one was a Republican at some point, but became a Democrat voter over time.
He was really probably a Republicans Against Trump person at heart.
Incorrect, he had donated once to a dem pac, then became a registered Republican once he could register to vote, the second one was also a registered Republican, who voted for Trump but now realised what a disaster he is and then wanted someone else to take over.
Both republicans
Mystic Mock
18-09-2024, 09:53 AM
Incorrect, he had donated once to a dem pac, then became a registered Republican once he could register to vote, the second one was also a registered Republican, who voted for Trump but now realised what a disaster he is and then wanted someone else to take over.
Both republicans
So my other theory of them being apart of Republicans Against Trump is possible.
Parmy
18-09-2024, 10:03 AM
The 2nd one was the one who donated to the dem party actually.
Nicky91
18-09-2024, 01:23 PM
The 2nd one was the one who donated to the dem party actually.
2nd one was a 58 yr old man, who recently also was stationed in Ukraine
good on the secret service for reacting this quickly
US elections without drama, never :bored:
Nicky91
18-09-2024, 01:24 PM
and lucky for authorities with the 2nd shooter, he is still alive unlike the 1st one
the recent guy had a lot of previous form that pointed to mental health issues and he was rejected by ukraine's army
So my other theory of them being apart of Republicans Against Trump is possible.No, Liam is telling outright lies
Ask him for his evidence to back up his claims. He has none, because he's lying.
Cops 'find explosives' in car near Trump rally on Long Island after second assassination attempt
https://mol.im/a/13864849
Glenn.
18-09-2024, 03:07 PM
No, Liam is telling outright lies
Ask him for his evidence to back up his claims. He has none, because he's lying.
:joker: :joker:
Because you can back up all of Trumps lies?
arista
18-09-2024, 03:15 PM
Cops 'find explosives' in car near Trump rally on Long Island after second assassination attempt
https://mol.im/a/13864849
Good, they found them.
Good, they found them.
False alarm. It was someone with a self-trained bomb sniffing dog that made the report :joker: Wth
The Slim Reaper
18-09-2024, 06:42 PM
False alarm. It was someone with a self-trained bomb sniffing dog that made the report :joker: Wth
Are you a trump supporter, Maru?
Parmy
18-09-2024, 06:44 PM
Ask him of he's a starmer supporter before answering, Maru.
The Slim Reaper
18-09-2024, 06:49 PM
Ask him of he's a starmer supporter before answering, Maru.
Easy. No.
Mystic Mock
18-09-2024, 11:43 PM
No, Liam is telling outright lies
Ask him for his evidence to back up his claims. He has none, because he's lying.
At this point I'm confused.
I'll have to do my own research into this it seems.
Mystic Mock
18-09-2024, 11:46 PM
Easy. No.
He has had an unfortunate start so far, so I can understand your stance.
Hopefully Starmer can get a hold of how to handle the rampant violence in our cities, something that the Tory Government was really poor at addressing.
The Slim Reaper
19-09-2024, 12:26 AM
He has had an unfortunate start so far, so I can understand your stance.
Hopefully Starmer can get a hold of how to handle the rampant violence in our cities, something that the Tory Government was really poor at addressing.
I knew who he was before the election. I repeatedly pointed it out on the forum.
Mystic Mock
19-09-2024, 12:31 AM
I knew who he was before the election. I repeatedly pointed it out on the forum.
Tbf, I know you did.
Tbh this country is in a terrible spot, because our two main parties are terrible at the moment.
The Slim Reaper
19-09-2024, 01:20 AM
Tbf, I know you did.
Tbh this country is in a terrible spot, because our two main parties are terrible at the moment.
The right of the labour party worked against the last hope for this country (Corbyn). We didn't need to have more austerity, and we didn't need to take money away from pensioners. The super wealthy are laughing all the way to the bank.
We don't have 2 parties anymore; we have the same party but with 2 different colours.
Are you a trump supporter, Maru?
No. I vote in the Republican open primary as an Independent for local policy only and then sift through whatever my options are in the General. I only vote in national out of civic duty. However, if someone took both local and national and put them on two separate ballots and asked me to show up on a different day, I'd be very tempted not to show at all to the national one just to show how little I feel about it... My political views haven't shifted really post-Trump. Most everyone I've asked doesn't feel enthusiastic at all (one can even say somewhat there's a feeling of contempt) but vote out of duty. Seeing the signs come out and people showing their respective flare is the most interesting part of our political culture (and the process) and I take pride in this, but for actual voting, I'd rather just get it over with... I've lived enough to know that no matter which party is in charge nothing will actually change and that at the national level it's all about how to keep the public grift going.
Mystic Mock
19-09-2024, 05:34 AM
The right of the labour party worked against the last hope for this country (Corbyn). We didn't need to have more austerity, and we didn't need to take money away from pensioners. The super wealthy are laughing all the way to the bank.
We don't have 2 parties anymore; we have the same party but with 2 different colours.
That's how it's coming across to me as well.
I can't help but feel like this country is a lost cause for at least another decade, which is frightening as some of us aren't getting any younger, and I want some of my young adult years to actually be decent.
arista
19-09-2024, 11:28 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GX3myxZWoAEFkbi?format=jpg&name=small
arista
20-09-2024, 01:20 AM
Was Live last night
Trump was a guest on the Comedy show
1836789051501740472
arista
21-09-2024, 12:45 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GX0ym5FWgAEa3aW?format=jpg&name=small
arista
21-09-2024, 02:33 PM
Reported on USA TV News
Trump is to visit Springfield
but due to Security Measures
it will be announced when he is there.
In Springfield, there has also been
bomb threats in schools.
Shared this in the Kamala thread.
Love this:
https://i.postimg.cc/RV5TRM9w/58232.jpg
Reported on USA TV News
Trump is to visit Springfield
but due to Security Measures
it will be announced when he is there.
In Springfield, there has also been
bomb threats in schools.
It'll die down post-elections. Most of those calls are coming from overseas. (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ohio-police-stationed-schools-threats-1.7326286) We always seem to get a rash of **** running up to the elections. If you pick through X at all, there's still many accounts that crosspost and repeat verbatim the same rhetoric across the platform. Elon Musk got rid of some bots, but he didn't get them all... apparently. I barely use the site, because I don't trust it.
Oliver_W
21-09-2024, 07:45 PM
and I want some of my young adult years to actually be decent.
Why won't they be?
Mystic Mock
21-09-2024, 09:08 PM
Why won't they be?
Because America essentially rules the western world, and they keep electing barmy leaders.
And the UK keeps electing leaders that certainly don't help my life out in the slightest, or the rest of my family.
Oliver_W
21-09-2024, 09:42 PM
Because America essentially rules the western world, and they keep electing barmy leaders.
And the UK keeps electing leaders that certainly don't help my life out in the slightest, or the rest of my family.
What precisely is likely to stop you living your best life?
Because America essentially rules the western world, and they keep electing barmy leaders.
And the UK keeps electing leaders that certainly don't help my life out in the slightest, or the rest of my family.
Our lives didn't used to depend so much on chosen leaders to keep a (generally speaking) reasonable cost of living. It's by design to keep people voting for a broken system.
Mystic Mock
22-09-2024, 01:16 AM
What precisely is likely to stop you living your best life?
Well you don't have the finances to do what you necessarily want to do, if the country (or the world) has a rough economy, or just being penny pinchers.
Mystic Mock
22-09-2024, 01:18 AM
Our lives didn't use to depend so much on chosen leaders to keep a (generally speaking) reasonable cost of living. It's by design to keep people voting for a broken system.
That's true tbf.
I just feel like Politics is really broken at this point, I feel dejected.
user104658
22-09-2024, 12:23 PM
1837454836293329034
Today on TiBB I learned that mass deportation would, inexplicably, be a random montage of 3 or 4 films from the 80's.
And that's not even the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here. Mind-blowing.
At least the conspiracy capital of the world is consistent. Americans are now saying that Trump staged both assassination attempts :laugh:
Today on TiBB I learned that mass deportation would, inexplicably, be a random montage of 3 or 4 films from the 80's.
And that's not even the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here. Mind-blowing.
…oh Lord, I don’t want to know ‘the dumbest thing’….
What are peoples thoughts on the north carolina governor candidate Mark Robinson? :laugh:
Goes to sex shops in the evening and eats pizza
Prolific poster on a black porn site
He has said and posted some really depraved stuff, too explicit for this forum
What are peoples thoughts on the north carolina governor candidate Mark Robinson? :laugh:
Goes to sex shops in the evening and eats pizza
Prolific poster on a black porn site
He has said and posted some really depraved stuff, too explicit for this forum
Your bio of him here reads like that of the typical terminally online internet male (ie troll). One wrong move and his harddrive could need some checks.
arista
23-09-2024, 01:09 PM
What are peoples thoughts on the north carolina governor candidate Mark Robinson? :laugh:
Goes to sex shops in the evening and eats pizza
Prolific poster on a black porn site
He has said and posted some really depraved stuff, too explicit for this forum
Yes, he is claiming it is A.I.
all fake.
But the numbers have changed
Robinson is no longer in the lead
Briefly looked at the CNN post. It looks like a good exposé and very likely legitimate. Also yes, a typical internet shitposter. I didn't get to the part where it mentioned pizza.
I feel like he should accept defeat and let someone else replace him. I feel like British politics are a bit quicker at dealing with the types of issues. Our politics are filled with too much entitlement... (I don't think he would survive the TX GOP... which makes me wonder about Georgia)
Briefly looked at the CNN post. It looks like a good exposé and very likely legitimate. Also yes, a typical internet shitposter. I didn't get to the part where it mentioned pizza.
I feel like he should accept defeat and let someone else replace him. I feel like British politics are a bit quicker at dealing with the types of issues. Our politics are filled with too much entitlement... (I don't think he would survive the TX GOP... which makes me wonder about Georgia)
he visits adult sex shops in the evening and eats pizza, sounds like governor material to me :laugh:
Some of the things he posted on the porn site were pretty extreme by normal standards. Freedom of speech is a double edged sword :laugh:
…oh Lord, I don’t want to know ‘the dumbest thing’….I sense a little bit of passive aggression in this post.
And to the post you're replying to by Soldier Boy, Sounds like you agree with his nonsense?
The video that Soldier Boy, took to heart and needed his odd reply is because Trumps side is using humour as the strategy to win and the other side are trying to imprison and assassinate their opponents as a strategy to win.
I know which strategy I favour, and it's the opposite side to you. I prefer humour. But I suppose we're all different.
So that's interesting. They released some letter the "would-be" assassin wrote... in them, are instructions to the entire nation to try to assassinate Trump when he fails and he may award them $150,000 lol.
Here's a question: Where the hell did he get $150,000?... he obviously has money. Machine guns, even in 2002, were not cheap lol.
Suspected Trump-assassin Ryan Routh denied bail after letter revealed in court filings
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspected-trump-assassin-ryan-routh-denied-bail-after-letter-revealed-in-court-filings/ar-AA1r37YM
“This was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump but I failed you. I tried my best and gave it all the gumption I could muster. It is up to you now to finish the job; and I will offer $150,000 to whomever can complete the job.”
how long do people think he will survive (the assassin) because there will be nowhere that is safe for him ....
arista
24-09-2024, 07:56 AM
how long do people think he will survive (the assassin) because there will be nowhere that is safe for him ....
He is using Bullet Proof Glass/plastic
around him at events
Large image
https://assets3.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2024/08/21/b09602ac-1bdb-4ec2-9021-9dc3d347cc49/thumbnail/1280x720/e405e66822ad8affa18ee8b8529c040b/cbsn-fusion-trump-holds-first-outdoor-rally-since-assassination-attempt-thumbnail.jpg?v=d735195a810d7336123786e9bed29d16
user104658
24-09-2024, 07:59 AM
I sense a little bit of passive aggression in this post.
And to the post you're replying to by Soldier Boy, Sounds like you agree with his nonsense?
The video that Soldier Boy, took to heart and needed his odd reply is because Trumps side is using humour as the strategy to win and the other side are trying to imprison and assassinate their opponents as a strategy to win.
I know which strategy I favour, and it's the opposite side to you. I prefer humour. But I suppose we're all different.
Now Alf, all I did was point out that it's extremely dumb. I know that some people find dumb things funny so that's entirely your prerogative :hee:. I'm not going to pee on your picnic, by all means, enjoy a chuckle.
arista
24-09-2024, 05:35 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYJnL8eXIAA9u4i?format=jpg&name=small
arista
24-09-2024, 05:36 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYOeaC1WoAATVfK?format=jpg&name=small
arista
26-09-2024, 10:49 AM
https://x.com/ANN_News92/status/1839143762087305721
Parmy
26-09-2024, 11:08 AM
It sure is Melanie, God knows who to protect.
arista
27-09-2024, 11:56 AM
Yesterday
PM Starmer & Lammy
had a 90mins Lunch together with Trump
The Slim Reaper
27-09-2024, 01:58 PM
Shared this in the Kamala thread.
Love this:
https://i.postimg.cc/RV5TRM9w/58232.jpg
So you are a trump supporter? Are you voting for him in November?
The Slim Reaper
27-09-2024, 03:38 PM
They're coming for you, I'm just standing in their way - flogging watches
1839634411769270446
https://media.tenor.com/GM6c780r4SsAAAAM/ifht-carbon.gif
The Slim Reaper
27-09-2024, 05:09 PM
1839684261491638284
They're coming for you, I'm just standing in their way - flogging watches
1839634411769270446
https://media.tenor.com/GM6c780r4SsAAAAM/ifht-carbon.gifBreaking news!
Business man engages in business shocker
The Slim Reaper
27-09-2024, 05:20 PM
Breaking news!
Business man engages in business shocker
Presidential candidate. He is't a businessman.
I saw something about Trump visiting a game. Initially when I saw this, I thought if this were for a hotdog stand, it would be the most American thing I've seen today. But no, apparently it's a knock against the opposing team. Missed opportunity, imo. 5/10. But I appreciate the enthusiasm.
S: https://www.al.com/news/2024/09/theyre-eating-the-dawgs-trump-goes-from-immigration-rhetoric-to-alabama-football-in-single-saturday.html
S: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-at-alabama-georgia-game-draws-cheers-at-bryant-denny-stadium-latest-updates/ar-AA1rnSxI
https://i.postimg.cc/XJjBJFXZ/dawgs.jpg
Mystic Mock
29-09-2024, 05:10 AM
I sense a little bit of passive aggression in this post.
And to the post you're replying to by Soldier Boy, Sounds like you agree with his nonsense?
The video that Soldier Boy, took to heart and needed his odd reply is because Trumps side is using humour as the strategy to win and the other side are trying to imprison and assassinate their opponents as a strategy to win.
I know which strategy I favour, and it's the opposite side to you. I prefer humour. But I suppose we're all different.
Trump is meant to be a Politician, not a Comedian.
Trump is meant to be a Politician, not a Comedian.
Maybe it is not a British thing(?), but during times of great stress particularly, we really seem to gravitate towards humor more than anything else compared to other cultures as a means to deal with difficult feelings. That may seem disingenuous to some, but internally we tend (it varies some by person) to think the person is trying to help others relax.
I can't speak for others, as this could be an individual thing for me, but I see the process of campaigning itself as a bit of a joke on one hand because of the amount of forced reactions from both candidates and other people. Yes, certain aspects are serious. Like the debates. Humor wasn't a good feeling then at all. But I think people feel stressed in these times and one default way we can deal with it is to laugh at our predicament. Just think about it, all "good" candidates (past candidates who actually won) have to strike this balance. It is part of the role of leadership. If one can't laugh "with the crew" so to speak, ie their skin too thin or self-importance too inflated, we tend to turn on those leaders fast when they fail because part of the role is to comfort the public. Partially because we start to wonder if they are laughing at us rather than "with" us since they aren't doing the typical thing. But again, that might just be an American thing..
I think Kamala has been coached too much to try to emulate this formula (unfair to her really) and the fact she fails to authentically connect well enough with enough of the populace may cost her the election. Almost all of our Presidents have had that unique charm on some level that causes people to relax. (This is where personality politics does matter) Biden is actually funny as hell if you listen to him enough. Bush 2, for all his issues, was cited often for his charm. He reverted to a scowl after some point of receiving so much criticism that the public stopped really resonating with him. (I credit that to the impression that it gave that he not only lacked empathy but couldn't handle criticism, similar to Trump, he tried to make it into an evil press thing..) TLDR: The ability to laugh and smile indicates empathy and showing empathy is hugely important in mainstream American politics. But it's not something that can be simply emulated... and it's not important in every role, but very important in roles where public relations are a critical service to the position.
BTW, most of this isn't really in reference to Alf's response, just the recipe for political humor part of it...
*Basic edits. My touchscreen is trash.
Maybe it is not a British thing(?), but during times of great stress particularly, we really seem to gravitate towards humor more than anything else compared to other cultures as a means to deal with difficult feelings. That may seem disingenuous to some, but internally we tend (it varies some by person) to think the person is trying to help others relax.
I can't speak for others, as this could be an individual thing for me, but I see the process of campaigning itself as a bit of a joke on one hand because of the amount of forced reactions from both candidates and other people. Yes, certain aspects are serious. Like the debates. Humor wasn't a good feeling then at all. But I think people feel stressed in these times and one default way we can deal with it is to laugh at our predicament. Just think about it, all "good" candidates (past candidates who actually won) have to strike this balance. It is part of the role of leadership. If one can't laugh "with the crew" so to speak, ie their skin too thin or self-importance too inflated, we tend to turn on those leaders fast when they fail because part of the role is to comfort the public. Partially because we start to wonder if they are laughing at us rather than "with" us since they aren't doing the typical thing. But again, that might just be an American thing..
I think Kamala has been coached too much to try to emulate this formula (unfair to her really) and the fact she fails to authentically connect well enough with enough of the populace may cost her the election. Almost all of our Presidents have had that unique charm on some level that causes people to relax. (This is where personality politics does matter) Biden is actually funny as hell if you listen to him enough. Bush 2, for all his issues, was cited often for his charm. He reverted to a scowl after some point of receiving so much criticism that the public stopped really resonating with him. (I credit that to the impression that it gave that he not only lacked empathy but couldn't handle criticism, similar to Trump, he tried to make it into an evil press thing..) TLDR: The ability to laugh and smile indicates empathy and showing empathy is hugely important in mainstream American politics. But it's not something that can be simply emulated... and it's not important in every role, but very important in roles where public relations are a critical service to the position.
BTW, most of this isn't really in reference to Alf's response, just the recipe for political humor part of it...
*Basic edits. My touchscreen is trash.
the first thing that people do here is make jokes about disasters etc, it's a basic coping mechanism. People just get way to offended about anything these days
Trump is meant to be a Politician, not a Comedian.Kamala is meant to be a politician, not an assasin.
Mystic Mock
29-09-2024, 07:37 AM
Maybe it is not a British thing(?), but during times of great stress particularly, we really seem to gravitate towards humor more than anything else compared to other cultures as a means to deal with difficult feelings. That may seem disingenuous to some, but internally we tend (it varies some by person) to think the person is trying to help others relax.
I can't speak for others, as this could be an individual thing for me, but I see the process of campaigning itself as a bit of a joke on one hand because of the amount of forced reactions from both candidates and other people. Yes, certain aspects are serious. Like the debates. Humor wasn't a good feeling then at all. But I think people feel stressed in these times and one default way we can deal with it is to laugh at our predicament. Just think about it, all "good" candidates (past candidates who actually won) have to strike this balance. It is part of the role of leadership. If one can't laugh "with the crew" so to speak, ie their skin too thin or self-importance too inflated, we tend to turn on those leaders fast when they fail because part of the role is to comfort the public. Partially because we start to wonder if they are laughing at us rather than "with" us since they aren't doing the typical thing. But again, that might just be an American thing..
I think Kamala has been coached too much to try to emulate this formula (unfair to her really) and the fact she fails to authentically connect well enough with enough of the populace may cost her the election. Almost all of our Presidents have had that unique charm on some level that causes people to relax. (This is where personality politics does matter) Biden is actually funny as hell if you listen to him enough. Bush 2, for all his issues, was cited often for his charm. He reverted to a scowl after some point of receiving so much criticism that the public stopped really resonating with him. (I credit that to the impression that it gave that he not only lacked empathy but couldn't handle criticism, similar to Trump, he tried to make it into an evil press thing..) TLDR: The ability to laugh and smile indicates empathy and showing empathy is hugely important in mainstream American politics. But it's not something that can be simply emulated... and it's not important in every role, but very important in roles where public relations are a critical service to the position.
BTW, most of this isn't really in reference to Alf's response, just the recipe for political humor part of it...
*Basic edits. My touchscreen is trash.
I have no issue with a Politician having a laugh or smiling, after all they are Human Beings too.
But I don't know if anyone should be voting for a candidate because they make them laugh, especially if their statements consist of "we need the Mexican Government to help us pay to build a wall between us." And "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS!"
And I do say this as someone that does find some of the stuff that Trump says to be funny in a car crash way.
Mystic Mock
29-09-2024, 07:38 AM
Kamala is meant to be a politician, not an assasin.
Who has Kamala assassinated?
I saw her dodge a couple of uncomfortable questions at the debate, but assassination? No.
I have no issue with a Politician having a laugh or smiling, after all they are Human Beings too.
But I don't know if anyone should be voting for a candidate because they make them laugh, especially if their statements consist of "we need the Mexican Government to help us pay to build a wall between us." And "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS!"
And I do say this as someone that does find some of the stuff that Trump says to be funny in a car crash way.
Trump supporters believe everything he says, many are indoctrinated, take a look at Alf
Parmy
29-09-2024, 07:55 AM
Nothing wrong with humour in the face of adversity.. take friday for instance at work..
A lad on his last day had to go to hospital cause his hand got crushed under a heavy metal waste collector, his screams could be heard all around the factory.
Well, a little while ago it came out he was gay because his neighbours would hear him and his lover at it every weekend.. so all I could think to say, or all I said before I could stop myself was that he must have one of those bin things at home, cause his neighbours hear those same screams every weekend..everyone pissed themselves laughing, including the health and safety guy who's pribably cost the company 10grand for not ensuring everyone knew about the safety bolt that should always be on the bin so it dont tip forward.
I phoned the guy yesterday to see if hes ok..got 3 broken fingers and ligament damage so wont be starting his new job monday. I told him what I said as well cause I felt bad about it, but he laughed it off and accepted my apology.
.
Mystic Mock
29-09-2024, 07:56 AM
Trump supporters believe everything he says, many are indoctrinated, take a look at Alf
Tbf, I'm not even saying that Trump isn't the better candidate tbf, because both seem lackluster to me.
But I'm curious as to how Trump supporters (in general) don't seem to question anything that he says or does?
user104658
29-09-2024, 09:52 AM
Maybe it is not a British thing(?), but during times of great stress particularly, we really seem to gravitate towards humor more than anything else compared to other cultures as a means to deal with difficult feelings. That may seem disingenuous to some, but internally we tend (it varies some by person) to think the person is trying to help others relax.
I can't speak for others, as this could be an individual thing for me, but I see the process of campaigning itself as a bit of a joke on one hand because of the amount of forced reactions from both candidates and other people. Yes, certain aspects are serious. Like the debates. Humor wasn't a good feeling then at all. But I think people feel stressed in these times and one default way we can deal with it is to laugh at our predicament. Just think about it, all "good" candidates (past candidates who actually won) have to strike this balance. It is part of the role of leadership. If one can't laugh "with the crew" so to speak, ie their skin too thin or self-importance too inflated, we tend to turn on those leaders fast when they fail because part of the role is to comfort the public. Partially because we start to wonder if they are laughing at us rather than "with" us since they aren't doing the typical thing. But again, that might just be an American thing..
I think Kamala has been coached too much to try to emulate this formula (unfair to her really) and the fact she fails to authentically connect well enough with enough of the populace may cost her the election. Almost all of our Presidents have had that unique charm on some level that causes people to relax. (This is where personality politics does matter) Biden is actually funny as hell if you listen to him enough. Bush 2, for all his issues, was cited often for his charm. He reverted to a scowl after some point of receiving so much criticism that the public stopped really resonating with him. (I credit that to the impression that it gave that he not only lacked empathy but couldn't handle criticism, similar to Trump, he tried to make it into an evil press thing..) TLDR: The ability to laugh and smile indicates empathy and showing empathy is hugely important in mainstream American politics. But it's not something that can be simply emulated... and it's not important in every role, but very important in roles where public relations are a critical service to the position.
BTW, most of this isn't really in reference to Alf's response, just the recipe for political humor part of it...
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The short answer here is that late-stage Western capitalism is about cult of personality as much as or more than it is about policy, and probably that way because policy is either so tightly clustered in any meaningful way (which colour of poop sandwich would you like today?) OR simply hot-air promises that never come to pass (and voters know that)... so it is not worth voting on.
Certainly the case in the US and if you look at the UK, we of course have our Borises etc.
Might not seem as obvious with having someone like Starmer now.
Until you remember that his opposition was Rishi Sunak and people were totally done with the Tories. A slice of bread could have won that election. And Farage (another one-man-party cult of personality) got millions of votes.
Tbf, I'm not even saying that Trump isn't the better candidate tbf, because both seem lackluster to me.
But I'm curious as to how Trump supporters (in general) don't seem to question anything that he says or does?
have you not seen trump supporters wearing the ear bandages because he got shot, have you not seen them wearing nappies because trump does? It's a cult
The short answer here is that late-stage Western capitalism is about cult of personality as much as or more than it is about policy, and probably that way because policy is either so tightly clustered in any meaningful way (which colour of poop sandwich would you like today?) OR simply hot-air promises that never come to pass (and voters know that)... so it is not worth voting on.
Certainly the case in the US and if you look at the UK, we of course have our Borises etc.
Might not seem as obvious with having someone like Starmer now.
Until you remember that his opposition was Rishi Sunak and people were totally done with the Tories. A slice of bread could have won that election. And Farage (another one-man-party cult of personality) got millions of votes.
Cults of personality are just a human thing really rather than a symptom of capitalism and uninspiring policies. They've mainly existed in socialist and fascist governments of course so they're actually pretty watered down in our politics. People will always look for idols.
user104658
29-09-2024, 01:18 PM
Cults of personality are just a human thing really rather than a symptom of capitalism and uninspiring policies. They've mainly existed in socialist and fascist governments of course so they're actually pretty watered down in our politics. People will always look for idols.
Idols yes but if you look at them in historical context they were usually idols heavily representing one or more political ideologies; I feel like the complete opposite is almost true in Western political-celebrity worship these days, and the followers will twist and turn along with the personality, even if what they're then celebrating and pushing flies in the face of their usual politics.
Trump is a key example of this really, I fully believe that he could say that anything - anything at all - is now "the right thing" and a huge proportion of his hardcore groupies would wholeheartedly agree.
the first thing that people do here is make jokes about disasters etc, it's a basic coping mechanism. People just get way to offended about anything these days
It's just good to read that people still seek comfort in humor. Otherwise I think it is very easy to lose the plot entirely. I've come online to read comments and sometimes I wonder if that is something we are losing... I feel like maybe some of the bad humor that is flowing around out there is just an overreaction to years of fear, stifled emotions and general discomfort... which we all went through to be honest, with things like COVID, constant wars and growing economic woes across our respective countries.
I have no issue with a Politician having a laugh or smiling, after all they are Human Beings too.
But I don't know if anyone should be voting for a candidate because they make them laugh, especially if their statements consist of "we need the Mexican Government to help us pay to build a wall between us." And "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS!"
And I do say this as someone that does find some of the stuff that Trump says to be funny in a car crash way.
FWIW, I didn't watch the video that's been argued about. I just saw the bits about humor, and that clicked for me, especially seeing as we cling so hard to our humor. We take it too far sometimes, I think. I just don't find the cat and dog meme as funny as so many others seem to. (I just like hot dogs and American attempts at being funny while being Capitalist). I want to see what happens *after* the elections, if people still can maintain their humor or not :laugh:... but honestly, I just hope we can eventually move forward.
Trump supporters believe everything he says, many are indoctrinated, take a look at Alf
Part of me wonders how far Trump's reach really would've been without the whole social media thing. As a reference, I speak Japanese and have talked with folk on social back when "Q" was a thing and it was suddenly making waves there? There would all these claims about how some "loved him" greatly (I don't know how that's even possible..) and I thought these had to be bots. But no, there's a contingent of folk there that follow a lot of our politics in this way online. The sad part, they're far more prone to seeing and taking in conspiracies at face value without the ability to crosscheck in English. So some seem see the US as a potential savior against China and the recurring theme seems to center around the belief that the entire Japanese establishment has been subverted/replaced by Chinese interests/a Chinese-approved electorate, thus they "need to be stopped." Shinzo Abe was assassinated around the time that all was trending. Shinzo was a Trump ally, iirc, so I've always wondered somewhat if there was even a connection. But honestly who knows. I know jack sh** about Japanese politics, only the US connection part of things and some nuclear. I always find it interesting listening to people talk about their own beliefs. I read and follow a lot of modern day cults, but have seen what the foreign language barrier does to accuracy, so usually only stick to things closer to home and that can be referenced from native sources :laugh:
It's just good to read that people still seek comfort in humor. Otherwise I think it is very easy to lose the plot entirely. I've come online to read comments and sometimes I wonder if that is something we are losing... I feel like maybe some of the bad humor that is flowing around out there is just an overreaction to years of fear, stifled emotions and general discomfort... which we all went through to be honest, with things like COVID, constant wars and growing economic woes across our respective countries.
FWIW, I didn't watch the video that's been argued about. I just saw the bits about humor, and that clicked for me, especially seeing as we cling so hard to our humor. We take it too far sometimes, I think. I just don't find the cat and dog meme as funny as so many others seem to. (I just like hot dogs and American attempts at being funny while being Capitalist). I want to see what happens *after* the elections, if people still can maintain their humor or not :laugh:... but honestly, I just hope we can eventually move forward.
Part of me wonders how far Trump's reach really would've been without the whole social media thing. As a reference, I speak Japanese and have talked with folk on social back when "Q" was a thing and it was suddenly making waves there? There would all these claims about how some "loved him" greatly (I don't know how that's even possible..) and I thought these had to be bots. But no, there's a contingent of folk there that follow a lot of our politics in this way online. The sad part, they're far more prone to seeing and taking in conspiracies at face value without the ability to crosscheck in English. So some seem see the US as a potential savior against China and the recurring theme seems to center around the belief that the entire Japanese establishment has been subverted/replaced by Chinese interests/a Chinese-approved electorate, thus they "need to be stopped." Shinzo Abe was assassinated around the time that all was trending. Shinzo was a Trump ally, iirc, so I've always wondered somewhat if there was even a connection. But honestly who knows. I know jack sh** about Japanese politics, only the US connection part of things and some nuclear. I always find it interesting listening to people talk about their own beliefs. I read and follow a lot of modern day cults, but have seen what the foreign language barrier does to accuracy, so usually only stick to things closer to home and that can be referenced from native sources :laugh:
The world has not caught up with the impact of social media. The problem is that democracy demands free speech and that was great in the days without mass instant, unfettered communication. It just doesn't work now. We need to re-define democracy
Mystic Mock
30-09-2024, 05:30 AM
have you not seen trump supporters wearing the ear bandages because he got shot, have you not seen them wearing nappies because trump does? It's a cult
That's a fair point.
I still hold out hope that there are some Trump supporters that can understand both points of view about people's perception of him.
Mystic Mock
30-09-2024, 05:34 AM
The world has not caught up with the impact of social media. The problem is that democracy demands free speech and that was great in the days without mass instant, unfettered communication. It just doesn't work now. We need to re-define democracy
That's a slippery slope though.
Because where do we draw the line on this "re-defined" democracy?
arista
06-10-2024, 06:15 AM
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arista
06-10-2024, 06:22 AM
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arista
06-10-2024, 08:10 AM
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After the Event
Elon Musk and Trump had a meeting.
Crimson Dynamo
06-10-2024, 10:58 AM
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user104658
06-10-2024, 11:57 AM
It's like they've taken the very essence of being a basement dwelling incel/angry mid life crisis cuck bro and simmered it down into a thick, oozing soup. Incredible.
Crimson Dynamo
06-10-2024, 12:04 PM
It's like they've taken the very essence of being a basement dwelling incel/angry mid life crisis cuck bro and simmered it down into a thick, oozing soup. Incredible.
or
I am jealous of his success
:joker:
Incels don't try to lock up or shoot dead their political opponents.
The incels sound like the good guys.
Just admit, you support the cheating criminals. That's just who you are and how you was raised.
user104658
06-10-2024, 01:47 PM
Incels don't try to lock up or shoot dead their political opponents.
No they just shoot their schoolmates and their own mum :joker: try harder Alf. Oh dear.
user104658
06-10-2024, 01:50 PM
or
I am jealous of his success
:joker:
Would I like a billion $ or so? Sure. Would I want to go to bed at night feeling like Elon Musk? The lonely kid at school still looking for pals so desperately that he had to buy an entire social network and then try to Piggyback off Donald Trump's fanbase? Not a chance. But I get why you wouldn't understand that Trumpette.
Lonely, lonely men :(
Folk are walking out of trump's rally's early and he can't fill a decent sized venue. That doesn't mean that folk wont vote for him, but i can't see him getting anywhere near the votes he got at the last election
user104658
06-10-2024, 02:06 PM
Folk are walking out of trump's rally's early and he can't fill a decent sized venue. That doesn't mean that folk wont vote for him, but i can't see him getting anywhere near the votes he got at the last election
You know it's desperate when he's wheeling out people like Musk. Who I actually don't think will help at all - they have overlapping interest bases but certainly not identical ones. The hooting NASCAR belt section of Republican support is not interested in a keyboard warrior tech billionaire.
Jordan.
06-10-2024, 02:20 PM
Would I like a billion $ or so? Sure. Would I want to go to bed at night feeling like Elon Musk? The lonely kid at school still looking for pals so desperately that he had to buy an entire social network and then try to Piggyback off Donald Trump's fanbase? Not a chance. But I get why you wouldn't understand that Trumpette.
Lonely, lonely men :(
In high school terms he really is that unpopular kid bullies use to their advantage in exchange of him feeling like he's part of the group. Like they only come over to his house to steal all his parents alcohol.
user104658
06-10-2024, 02:34 PM
In high school terms he really is that unpopular kid bullies use to their advantage in exchange of him feeling like he's part of the group. Like they only come over to his house to steal all his parents alcohol.
Indeed. The rich kid who threw a party when his parents were out, invited the whole school and the place got absolutely decimated. But they still had no new friends on Monday.
I have serious questions for anyone who sees anything to envy in Musk other than his money. He's not a happy fellow.
In high school terms he really is that unpopular kid bullies use to their advantage in exchange of him feeling like he's part of the group. Like they only come over to his house to steal all his parents alcohol.You sound like you're talking from experience here. Did your parents alcohol get stolen?
Jordan.
09-10-2024, 05:02 PM
You sound like you're talking from experience here. Did your parents alcohol get stolen?
we don't care about this anymore BB is on
we don't care about this anymore BB is onI know you don't. I know your life is so dull that a dead, past its sell<by date TV show is the meaning of your life right now. And you're not alone on here.
I just have to look at all the threads to see the evidence of that, you didn't need to explain it to me.
Jordan.
09-10-2024, 05:13 PM
I know you don't. I know your life is do dull that a dead, past its sell<by date TV show is the meaning of your life right now. And you're not alone on here.
I just have to look at all the threads to see the evidence of that, you didn't need to explain it to me.
You're right but it's not dull to the point that I still need to post on a forum for a TV show I have no interest in about an election in a country I have no part in.
You're right but it's not dull to the point that I still need to post on a forum for a TV show I have no interest in about an election in a country I have no part in.Yes you did.
When this show wasn't on, you came on this forum to talk about an election in a country you don't live in. And you talked about wars in a country you don't live in.
Jordan.
09-10-2024, 05:23 PM
Yes you did.
When this show wasn't on, you came on this forum to talk about an election in a country you don't live in. And you talked about wars in a country you don't live in.
I post on here because this is a reality tv forum and I'm interest in reality tv. You post on here because it's the only place in your exciting life that you can feel different and special
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For me it's not who Elon does or doesn't support, as that's a personal decision to him, but it's this ever-increasing acceptance of the cozier relationships between our politicians and billionaires, other major players, the elites and their matchmakers. It never used to matter so much which institutions, corporations or famous betters supported which candidate or which "movement". Even Chef Boyardee, a man who lives on sides of canned beef, probably has more say at this point as to who makes it through the 20XX primaries than I do. So now I have to question when Elon will announce his 2028 candidacy for POTUS... it's just that predictable.
user104658
10-10-2024, 11:03 AM
I know you don't. I know your life is so dull that a dead, past its sell<by date TV show is the meaning of your life right now. And you're not alone on here.
Imagine trying to throw this around as an insult when the meaning in your own life is Donald Trump - and you're not even an American :joker:.
user104658
10-10-2024, 11:04 AM
For me it's not who Elon does or doesn't support, as that's a personal decision to him, but it's this ever-increasing acceptance of the cozier relationships between our politicians and billionaires, other major players, the elites and their matchmakers. It never used to matter so much which institutions, corporations or famous betters supported which candidate or which "movement". Even Chef Boyardee, a man who lives on sides of canned beef, probably has more say at this point as to who makes it through the 20XX primaries than I do. So now I have to question when Elon will announce his 2028 candidacy for POTUS... it's just that predictable.
Correct, no one should look at this and be thinking anything other than what does Elon Musk get out of close ties to Donald Trump. Because that is all Elon himself is thinking about. And vice-versa.
Glenn.
10-10-2024, 11:12 AM
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Glenn.
10-10-2024, 11:14 AM
this one killed me
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What did Trump actually do to you to make you hate him?
That's today's question going around.
The question is mainly aimed at the people voting for Kamala just because they hate Trump.
Why do they hate him?
He lowered their taxes, he made their gas cheaper, he made their housing more affordable, their grocery bill was less, they had more savings, the world was a safer place, the border was more secure.
What is it they hate? Is it simply because the Television tells them to hate him?
user104658
10-10-2024, 11:57 AM
"Why are you so mean to Trump you big bullies!"
What a sad, over-simplified and completely politically unaware question.
Another one bites the dust.
I wonder if, Soy boy, as an ex-bookie, should advice himself and others to stop backing against Trump? They always lose.
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user104658
10-10-2024, 06:51 PM
Another one bites the dust.
I wonder if, Soy boy, as an ex-bookie, should advice himself and others to stop backing against Trump? They always lose.
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I bet on Trump in 2015 at 5/1 Alf :hee:. What I would advise people though, is not to bet on an odds-on favourite unless you're doubling up or more. Daft bets.
As for this tweet - I'd always bet against legal processes where the mega-rich are involved and anyone who would not is a definite fool. These systems are corrupt to the core and someone like Trump's pockets are stuffed full of sympathetic officials of various sorts. Even worse now that he has Musk chomping his butthole raw. Nom nom nom.
The election itself? :shrug: bet on it if you enjoy roulette/blackjack/a coin toss. It's anyone's game currently.
A few other factoids:
1) I'd rather Trump not win because of what he represents socially. Misogyny, idiocracy, pandering to cucks & the right-inclined.
2) Politically I don't think it matters in any meaningful way. Whatever global events are going to occur in the next 5 years, are not linked to whether the White House is tinted Red or Blue. It simply doesn't matter. The last 8 years have made that crystal clear. Trump 1.0 changed nothing. Replacing him with Biden changed nothing. Trump 2.0 or Harris, will change nothing. Smoke and mirrors my friend.
So it mostly impacts nothing afaik, but in the state I used to live in (Maryland) more than 10 years back at this point... I'm getting messages using my daughter's first name, from a teacher's association asking me about how I will be voting (and want to make suggestions)... and now got a new one about mail in ballots being sent out, etc. I just realized they are sending messages with my daughter's name? (How does that even happen??...) I did register Democrat in that state so it makes sense I might end up on a list somehow. Registering for parties tend to sign you up for all kinds of lists/organizational-related mailers. I can't understand though why my daughter is the one getting messages... The number is an area code in that area, but this isn't a random text? And I'd checked some months ago out of curiosity and as far as I can tell, my registration there is inactive. It's actually really hard to be 100% sure without making calls... anyway, I've heard of dead people voting, but not toddlers ... well... not actual toddlers... she's never been to the state and too young to be registered for anything education-related. It's just weird I'm getting messages from a Teacher's union from out of state for her. Maybe I am still showing up as "active" and they're seeing I have a child... it's just... weird...
Edit: I probed some and they gave a different last name so probably just a mixup, but what a coincidence. It wouldn't be the first time I have received texts and ads in her name, sadly... we're just bits of information floating around out there somewhere
I'm posting it here because it doesn't deserve a thread, but this is where all the election denial discussion is probably going to go on November 5th...
arista
11-10-2024, 11:53 AM
OK Maru
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arista
11-10-2024, 12:56 PM
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Glenn.
12-10-2024, 10:27 AM
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This is the same man who I watched yesterday in an interview say the Downing Street party’s weren’t party’s.
Idiots idolise idiots.
Glenn.
12-10-2024, 11:29 AM
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Oliver_W
12-10-2024, 01:44 PM
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This is the same man who I watched yesterday in an interview say the Downing Street party’s weren’t party’s.
Idiots idolise idiots.
Tbh I'd rather hear the thought process behind this rather than outright discard it - why do people seem to think Putin wouldn't have attacked Ukraine? What was Trump's presence behind a desk meant to have done?
Tbh I'd rather hear the thought process behind this rather than outright discard it - why do people seem to think Putin wouldn't have attacked Ukraine? What was Trump's presence behind a desk meant to have done?
Trump hated ukraine, he was caught trying to coheres them into making up crap about Biden. Trump wouldn't have assisted ukraine with intelligence etc, so it would have been a lot more difficult for ukraine. That being said, ukraine would still have fought back, it would just have been a different type of war, and would still be going on today.
arista
13-10-2024, 09:24 PM
A 3rd attempt to Kill Trump
yesterday Police arrested an Armed man
aged 49,
NY Times
arista
13-10-2024, 09:40 PM
[A man armed with guns and a
high-capacity magazine was arrested
outside Donald Trump's rally in
California on Saturday, police say
The Riverside County Sheriff's Office
said Vemm Miller, 49, was arrested near
a checkpoint to the Coachella rally site]
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